Has anybody read the mahabharata? that and the ramayana can mayb be thought of the indian epic poetry versons of the greek iliad and odyssey.
but the shit's long as fuck! the mahabharata is divided into 19 "books" and i was checking the length of the first books and each is more than 500 pages. that's just one epic poetry.
look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahabharata
i've heard ppl say they were good though
Thoughts?
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> 200,000 lines of poetry
Yeah. I've read extracts. I just read certain dialogues between Krishna and Arjuna.
I'm learning Sanskrit for this purpose.
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>>8982737
I've read the Ramayana and thoroughly enjoyed it. However, I can't speak to the Mahabharata
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>>8982773
so, what are your opinions or impressions of what you have read it so far?
Isn't it extremely filled to the brim with cultural, historical, "philosophical" and religious references?
isn't the sancrit hard to learn?
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>A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
I didn't expect this.
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>>8982703
why?
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>>8982703
Time periods line up, but it's too immediately dismissive, do the following passages critique either philosophy?
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Paul's in Roman Athens in the 1st century AD, why wouldn't you expect this?
>>8982929
Not really. Why don't you read and find out, Acts is probably one of the more entertaining books of the New Testament.
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Do you guys think Pynchon wears clown clothes as casual wear?
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>>8982671
no
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Instead of a wedding ring he wears a joy buzzer
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I bet Pynchon hits the dab in his home when nobody is looking.
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Why is animal farm considered so seminal? 2017-01-16 09:02:32 Post No.8982651
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Why is animal farm considered so seminal?
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The writing is great and the whole Russian allegory thing is done to great effect, but what exactly makes this book a modern classic? Isn't it way too specific and bleak?
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oats pls
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>>8982651
It's easy to understand while being vague enough to make the reader feel like he accomplished something by understanding it. Also, some people revere anything written by Orwell as if it's some biblical prophecy. That's why.
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What is the literary equivalent of Oscar bait and why is this stuff never called out?
For me: Underworld, white noise, gravity's rainbow, suttree, the border trilogy, fortress of solitude.
Broom in the system is like an over hyped indie film that ultimately tries to hard and fails to be anything
Nicholas nickleby is like the hobbit trilogy
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>>8982636
>What is the literary equivalent of Oscar bait
Overwritten tripe
>why is this stuff never called out
Because /lit/ wants to prove how smart(tm) they all are.
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Because there isn't a awards system based on popularity, mo ney, and business contacts in the literary fiction world.
Your choices in comparisons are stupid and you sound like a pleb though.
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>>8982667
>Because there isn't a awards system based on popularity, mo ney, and business contacts in the literary fiction world.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Gravity's Rainbow, Infinite Jest, and Ulysses are more enjoyable to read stoned because of the nature of the prose. Or something.
Thoughts?
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>>8982634
Yes
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Marijuana makes things more enjoyable. It has literally nothing to do with the "nature" of the activity.
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Okay /lit/, what is the name of the idea/philosophy that nothing exists, not even the self?
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>>8982617
>le ironic nihilism meme
We can agree that this is the worst thing in modern society, right?
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>>8982631
Fedora atheists are worse
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being a retard
How can I be sure that my action causes certain reaction
how I can be sure that I am the cause of certain effect, and not the effect of something that happened in other side of the world
I'm losing my sanity guys help
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>>8982551
Now consider something we know for certain, by well-replicated experimental evidence.
If the proton were the size of a bowling ball, it's electrons would be the size of printed periods orbiting 11 miles away from the bowling ball. And we're made of those. We're barely here at all.
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>>8982610
Where are these dfw meme from
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You can only save 10 books from total destruction. What ones do you keep for the future of humanity?
My List:
1. On The Origin of Species - Charles Darwin
2. Principia Mathematica - Isaac Newton
3. The Republic - Plato
4. The Wealth of Nations - Adam Smith
5. The Complete Works of Shakespeare - William Shakespeare
6. The Iliad - Homer
7. The Odyssey - Homer
8. The Bible
9. Common Sense, The Rights of Man and Other Essential Writings of Thomas Paine - Thomas Paine
10. Nineteen-Eighty Four - George Orwell
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Retarded list
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>>8982473
faggot
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>>8982473
Ten copies of the Holy Quran, written in French but printed in Wingdings.
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What's your favorite work of contemporary philosophy?
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Atlas shrugged.
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>>8982375
Pic related, Peter Singer, Judea Pearl
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Did this faggot really deserve it?
Also, have you heard of the arguments people is using to defend him like comparing him with Homer's oral poet condition? lol
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>>8982340
>caring about Nobel prizes
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>lol
Good argument.
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in his banquet speech he basically BTFO's anyone who gives a shit about this kind of thing.
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Swinburne & Translation Help 2017-01-16 07:59:38 Post No.8982335
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Swinburne & Translation Help
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Greetings, my b/lit/he companions,
There is a lengthy paragraph in French that serves as the epigraph to Algernon Charles Swinburne's very great poem Laus Veneris. There are two problems here. The greater one is that I don't know French and, although my edition of Swinburne's selected poetry is otherwise well-annotated, it doesn't have a word on the meaning of the French passage; and, try as I might, I can't find a translation of it anywhere on the Internet. I don't know anybody who really knows French either, so I've resorted to this place, since I know that a fair number of Frenchies lurk about here. Perhaps this should go on /int/ or /r/ instead, but I thought I'd try here first, since you guys are more intelligent.
The lesser problem is that attribution states it is from "Livre des grandes merveilles d'amour, escript en latin et en françoys par Maistre Antoine Gaget. 1530." I'm generally knowledgeable enough to know that that would be "Book of Love's Great Marvels," but again I can't find anything on a Renaissance author by the name of Antoine Gaget, which naturally leads me to think that Swinburne made the passage up himself. The attribution says it's written in both Latin and French, so if the book happens to be real and can point me to the Latin version, that would also be fine, since I think I know enough of that language to puzzle through the corresponding passage.
Here is the paragraph:
Lors dit en plourant; Hélas trop malheureux homme et mauldict pescheur, oncques ne verrai-je clémence et miséricorde de Dieu. Ores m'en irai-je d'icy et me cacherai dedans le mont Horsel, en requérant de faveur et d'amoureuse merci ma doulce dame Vénus, car pour son amour serai-je bien à tout jamais damné en enfer. Voicy la fin de tous mes faicts d'armes et de toutes mes belles chansons. Hélas, trop belle estoyt la face de ma dame et ses yeulx, et en mauvais jour je vis ces chouses-là. Lors s'en alla tout en gémissant et se retourna chez elle, et là vescut tristement en grand amour près de sa dame. Puis après advint que le pape vit un jour esclater sur son baston force belles fleurs rouges et blanches et maints boutons de feuilles, et ainsi vit-il reverdir toute l'escorce. Ce dont il eut grande crainte et moult s'en esmut, et grande pitié lui prit de ce chevalier qui s'en estoyt départi sans espoir comme un homme misérable et damné. Doncques envoya force messaigers devers luy pour le ramener, disant qu'il aurait de Dieu grace et bonne absolution de son grand pesché d'amour. Mais oncques plus ne le virent; car toujours demeura ce pauvre chevalier auprès de Vénus la haulte et forte déesse ès flancs de la montagne amoureuse.
Feel free to discuss Swinburne and so-called Decadent literature more generally in this thread. Those guys are terribly underappreciated around here. Here's the famous portrait of the handsome fellow, by the way.
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>>8982335
>Swinburne
>very great poem
Stopped reading there. Swinburne is a hack.
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>>8982335
so if the book happens to be real and YOU can point me etc.*
>>8982342
How helpful. Yet another Anon who takes all his opinions from the Pound-Eliot collective (and yes, I know that Eliot concedes that Swinburne is a great poet, but you must admit that the overall tone of his essay is unfathomably patronizing, as most of his prose is).
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>>8982352
Google it fuckstick
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Can /lit/ tell me books about medieval trade and politics? I’d like to know how trade and politics works at the feudalism system.
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>>8982306
>can /lit/ tell you about /his/?
No.
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Feudal Society - Marc Bloch
Feudalism - Francois Louis Ganshof
Medieval Feudalism - Carl Stephenson
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>>8982366
thanks, anon.
>tfw you accidentally see a poem she wrote about you
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>>8982294
lets see it then
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>>8982294
Well this did happen to me. Made me feel pretty terrible actually.
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How do I write captivating characters ? 2017-01-16 07:45:02 Post No.8982265
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How do I write captivating characters ?
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More specifically - characters that are beloved or end up being the 'favorite' of the audience.
Or, in other words, characters that get a lot of fan art or that people relate to.
Is there a certain way to go about this or do I just set characters in and hope people like them ? Help me, please !
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>>8982265
>wanting to be famous
lol this nigga
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>>8982530
Or, y'know, I just want to write characters that people actually like because I don't have a lot of self-esteem in my own ability to write.
Besides, who doesn't wanna be famous nigga ?
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you mean teenagers really, those are the people these characters appeal to the most. For that, you make them exactly what every teenager wants to be, irrelevant to adults, good looking, ultra competent and dismissive to authority figures.
The simpler the character and the more you repeat their character troupe, the better they get.