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>>9008398
When Jesus walks in Belfast
When Jesus walks in Belfast
He wears his collar up
he keeps his blessings to himself
and stoops before his cup

when Jesus comes through Belfast
he spends his wisdom dear
And when his name is spoken
he makes as not to hear

He keeps well back in company
and shuts his fuckin mouth
and when he can he does his trade
a measure further south

When Jesus walks in Belfast
He keeps his cap pulled low
his step away he quickens
and those returning slow

He’d have a merry welcome
if he should take the whim
to ask the sods he suffered for
to suffer more of him.

I fucking love Floral Shoppe.

poetry takes more attention than novels
now SHITPOSTS, there we have the future

>>9008371
I haven't read GR but I also enjoyed the animate/inanimate contrasts in V. and I wish I could find someone writing about it. I feel like I wasn't smart enough to understand what he was saying with every one of them.

>>9008371
I just finished V like a week ago and started reading Gravity's Rainbow. I'm about 200 pages in and I think I can speak about this a little.

The themes of GR are different than V so they are concerned with different things. I've seen no reference to the Inanimate/Animate theme. Instead, something that I've noticed is a constant referral to Pavlovian Conditioning.

The name of the first section "Beyond the Zero", for instance, is a reference what is done after such an experiment. I'll let this section from page 97-98 speak for itself with some edits to avoid spoilers:
>Now ordinarily, according to tradition in these matters the little sucker would have to be de-conditioned. Jamf would have, in Pavlovian terms, "extinguished" the [conditioned] reflex he'd built up, before he let [the subject] go. Most likely he did. But Ivan Petrovich himself said "not only must we speak of partial or of complete extinction of a conditioned reflex, but we must realize that extinction can proceed beyond the point of reducing a reflex to zero. We cannot therefore judge the degree of extinction only by the magnitude of the reflex or its absence, since there can be a silent extinction beyond the zero"

Now to put this into a little more context, here is the quote at the beginning of the section:
>Nature does not know extinction; all it knows is transformation. Everything science has taught me, and continues to teach me, strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after death.
-Werner von Braun (chief engineer of the V-2 rocket)

Now there are more themes to GR than just this (this may even simply be a plot device) but I think this is just the way Pynchon constructs his narratives. He creates rather opaque webs of meaning that can be implied upon by the audience in their attempts to discern the signal from the noise. That's also a core element of his literature, this paranoia and uncertainty of constructing meaning from entirely too much data.

I'm excited to see how GR progresses from here but don't expect it to continue with the same themes as V. It has few similarities such as it's preoccupation with the way that war affects the human psyche and the fact the Kurt Mondaugen shows up in this narrative too but other than that functions on completely different ideas.

>>9008667
Insightful, thanks.

>>9008319
He can be hard to read because he was writing right before the sophistic period began so his way of organizing things is completely his own. The Histories read like an oral tradition put to paper. He often includes mythology in his history, some of which he doesn't even believe, but wants to present the story to the reader and let them decide whether it might have validity.

But once you get past the fact that he constantly digresses, then digresses from his digressions into new digressions, there is no comfier writer among the ancient Greeks.

>>9008323
What is a standard white reading pace?

>>9008393

1000 pages/hour.

>>9008303
APotAaaYM

>>9008322
I've dug what I've read, I guess I'll go with that, thanks /lit/

>>9008303
Portrait

The Barnes and Noble on is riddled with errors and of poor quality.

>>9008184
What makes him a 'degenerate'?

>>9008195
I heard the newer version, with silver pages, fixed the errors of the previous version, am I wrong about that?

>>9008184
I thought you people like lovecraft because he was racist.

>>9008179
I have the necronomicon. It isn't complete but it seems to cut out his earlier crappy work so who cares.

>>9008137
I thought that was one of his pulp pieces

>>9008137
Its just a fun adventure. Kid becomes a giant and bangs forest nymphs. Good stuff.

>>9008274
But the traveling across dimensions? The parallels with Earth? The visions of other people's lives? The memories in the bowstring of people from our world? The revelation that his waifu was just a pile of sticks? The hiding of the protagonist's name until the last sentence of the book? The reason why he was brought to that world in the first place?

>>9008134
I don't think so.

/lit/ is full of confused adolescents that parade an empty illusion of elitism to fit in with some sort of counter-culture to appear with a comfortable identity in a society they find to be alienating. This may be caused by their ineptitude and arrogance but, as with all forms of intellectualism, they gain some sort of consciousness over their actions which makes them embrace materialism without being blinded by the innate jealousy of their middle-class background. They appear isolated, sheltered and unsympathetic but they never mistake the vain dream of upper-class intellectual bourgeoisie as something more than an outdated ideal. This is the central identity conflict that academia has to face today. But the nature of this website rewards ironic posturing and thoughtlessness and thus skews the clash of personalities. Boards like /r9k/ and /pol/ are the ones that purely form a imaginary collective of joined forces that serve to replace the confusing insecurity about belonging with hate of some ideal hypocritical elite (attractive young people/liberals) that they don't want to abolish but replace with politics that are just the same but distorted with an inconsolable drive for dominance and acknowledgement.

>>9008163
Buzzwords as wide as a sea but as deep as a paddling pool

>>9008173
>>9008177
read the book

It's a metaphor about the arrogant posturing of the upper-class and the rise of an intellectually incompetent middle-class that is driven by shallow materialistic rage.

Was haben Frauen und Jesus gemeinsam?

Erst legt man sie aufs Kreuz, dann nagelt man sie fest und dann schreien sie; "OH GOTT, ICH KOMME!"

I'm going to hell for laughing at that pic.

>>9008111
>OH GOTT, ICH KOMME
Luther translation is fucking weird man

Some monk gave me a copy of that and I hollowed it out and used it as a secret compartment to keep psychedelics in.

>>9008057
ok

>>9008057
Same here but the monk then screamed "FIVE DOLLAH" and I said I have no money, then he took the book back forcefully and spit at my shoes.

>>9008022
lel

oscar wilde

define entertaining
alternatively kill yourself fucking pleb

>>9007947
Fuck off, I don't browse that shit. I'm just asking because I want to read something regarding this specific subject, since I found Sorrows of Young Werther to a very nice read.

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>>9007944

white nights

>>9007941
I make it a mission to actively avoid that place, I did at one time but it's toxic to the soul. I'm trying to be better.

R u like a Brick from the Middle? Just take it easy, and in the meantime here is advice from the "London for Immigrant suckers": But he (Peter Kovach) didn’t mind (to be alone) and he never complained. He was doing some push-ups and sit-ups, waiting for better times to come.

Loneliness sucks, but you won't solve it with a book.

Maybe do things that make you uncomfortable until they are no longer uncomfortable. Don't worry about being obnoxious around people, your insecurity is uglier than you are likely grating. Just do what you want, and do no harm and be proud of yourself first. Try and be happy with what you can muster together.

>>9007913
Only read War & War, but it's one of my favourite book.

>>9007913
It's p solid. I'd give it a try.

>>9007913

Only read Satantango but I found he was awesome at creating a well done atmosphere. I'm watching through the movie series now and it's a near perfect adaptation.

>>9007908
Stories, no more stories.

>>9007908
>what is the language of math
>what is the language of laws of the universe

>>9007951
I take that math back for now, it could be just human gibberish

>So I walked back to my room and collapsed on the bottom bunk, thinking that if people were in pain, I was band-aid and she was novacane.

He's a good writer.

So as far as I understood from /lit/, it's a book about a teen whore written from the point of view of her beta orbiter. She fucks chads, runs from home and dies in a car crash. Did I miss anything important?

you guys are fucking obsessed with this guy