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too popular desu

/lit/ hates it because they're hipsters who hate any popular literature, they think if they shun what the proles like it necessarily puts them above them

>>9041653
Because it's fantasy-pulp-by-numbers. It's been done a thousand times before, and usually better. And because the author has no discernible writing style.

Protip: don't come here hoping to validate your taste for trash.

i think white people invented magical realism.....like most everything.

>>9041513
That's not a good book.

His short story collection Ellis Island is better.

>>9041513
Lol I had a Hispanic professor give us 3 essays on magical realism cause "we didn't understand it well enough"
Every literary source says his definition is wrong

Who told you Typee was good? His novels othwr than Dick were commercially successful adventure books. Moby Dick is his master piece and would have been forgotten if DH Lawrence hadn't republished it in the 1920s

After Dick ypu should read Budd. Bartlebe lves up to dick

>>9041508

I only read Moby Dick, once, as a teen. Yes, the whole thing, yes, I 'got' about eighty-ninety percent of it, including the various references to the ancient world, which I'd learned recently in history class.

The "middle-third" that is commonly derided seemed to me to be just the comfy part of the book where Ishmael is just doing details about whaling, and what daily life is like. This lets us get closer to the characters, the men and their work, and come to understand them as human beings, though obviously we are vaunting forward toward The Great Conflagration. The front and back thirds are the "plot", perhaps, while the middle third is a long piece of prose style. But then it's been a very long time.

I suddenly want to re-read it.

Like the other anon sorta-said, it's my understanding that things like Omoo and Typee were popular and well-liked at the time, while when Moby Dick came out, the reaction was a collective "meh".

>>9041508
Typee was his first work, followed by the closely related Omoo. They both sit in the halfway zone between non-fiction travel and fictionalized self narrator. Neither is among his great literary works, though they were the only two in his career for which he earned fame, respect, and money. This is like because people took him as the quaint adventurer and didn't notice the ironic social criticism he scattered throughout.

The question of how he progressed from there to Moby Dick is best answered in a combination of his reading (good biographies will mention not just shakespeare but his intense interaction with Milton - Satan/Ahab etc - and classical tragedy (in translation)) and by reading through the other novels that led into Moby Dick in which he explored more and more not just of what he'd read but of what he himself thought. Few people read them but if you're interested then it's best to go to Mardi, Redburn, and White Jacket in that order of publication.

Otherwise if you just want his next best novel go for Confidence Man - though it is very different and far denser than Moby Dick. Generally though his later shorter fiction is where he's at his finest after Moby Dick - Bartleby, Billy Budd, and Benito Cereno being the clear standouts.

Your dairy desuzoid-kun.

The waves. Leftist cuckolds or maybe actual girls here held it up as a masterpiece of female literature.

Dis a fucking pointing. Never wasting my time on women's "literature" again.

Star Wars knock off.
C-3PO mentions Spice in the first movie for fuck's sake.

>>9041364
If you think sci-fi should be about ideas (hint: yes it should) then you'll love it.

If you think sci-fi should be about mindless escapism, steer well clear.

High school tier, easy way to spot an idiot if you see someone with this book in university.
Also great for weeding out stupid cucks like >>9041392

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I don't have friends at all. The only person I see on a daily basis is my god forsaken mother.

>>9041319
that feel has an ear now.

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I read the secret history and got similar feels
>tfw will never find a circle of people like that
Where do they hang out?

do it quick before douche Trombone starts burning books

>>9041302
>early third millenium
>books

>>9041327
well if he implements his retarded tariff ideas then you can say goodbye to your e readers and computer parts. Nearly all are manufactured in China.

Jay-Z

Lawrence of Olivier

>>9041462
Lol I know that guy.

>>9041136
>Pic Related

Good semi-technical books for beginners to Financial Markets.

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>>9041136
Most people aren't autistic and like to spend some time entertaining themselves with an art form they enjoy.

I don't read any fantasy fiction, but I also don't read much history or weaboo shit about Japanese swords.

I read a lot of psychology and philosophy, other people might read a lot about economics or medicine or any interests other than yours.

You're not a special super disciplined genius just because you have your own pretentious views about what literature is important.

>>9041098
It's probably a lot like masturbating.

Mildly satisfying for a short time, but much better when another party is involved.

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>>9041273
>one hour later

>>9041098

i dont like it

>>9041089
I'm too much of a pussy to steal

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>>9041089
In high school I may have five finger discounted some. Felt bad about it and bought a bunch of books from the store since then instead of Amazon.

>>9041053
Why don't those fuckin angels slap some demons? ffs, everyone's getting rich off the soul industry

Try Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics first.

>Can I?
No, you can't

>>9040881
The Bible, Talmund, and Koran
And Bin Laden's Manifesto if things still aren't clear enough

>>9040881
pretty sure it's cause the saudis played ball and were happy to trade a few billion barrels of oil for road and infrastructure, while iran, being civilized, turned down the obviously shitty deal...

murica

CIA/MI6 installed a client regime in Iran in the 1950s and then there was a popular uprising in the 1970s and the CIA/MI6 responded poorly and now it's like a brown version of North Korea

>>9040870
I masturbated with a wet piece of bread before

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>>9040870
I haven't gotten around to finishing it yet, but I feel like these characters are so far detached from God (good morals) that they have no hope of ever saving themselves from ignorance or vapidity. It's an interesting concept, imagine if you lived in a society that forced circumcision and also kept secret that foreskins exist. You wouldn't feel a need to regain anything or even at loss because you have no idea you lost anything. The book is kind of an analysis of people functioning without any sort of moral guidance, I'm sure the books later point is that humans need that guidance, or maybe it isn't.

>>9040823
>critical reviews look pretty decent
Really? I thought the prevailing informed opinion was that it was unbelievably awful.

But anyway, I'll save you some time:
"A wealthy man of Baghdad who had lost all his money, in despair, lay down to sleep and in his dream heard a voice say, ‘Verily thy fortune is in Cairo. Go thither and seek it.’ So he set out for Cairo and in that city he was mistaken for a thief, seized by the police and beaten near to death.

After three days in a cell the Chief of Police sent for him, asking ‘Whence art thou?’ ‘From Baghdad,’ the prisoner replied, ‘I saw in a dream One who said to me, “Thy fortune’s in Cairo. Go thither to it.” ’ The Police Chief laughed and said, ‘Thrice have I seen in a dream One who said to me: “There is in Baghdad a house with a jetting fountain and under it a great sum of money lieth buried. Go thither and take it.” Yet I went not for I had no faith in an idle dream, which is only the foolery of sleep.’

The poor man was given money to return home by the Police Chief, whose dream of a house with jetting fountain perfectly resembled the man’s own house in Baghdad, so when the wayfarer returned to his city he at once dug underneath the fountain in his garden, and discovered a great treasure. Thus abundant fortune is given to the Blessed when the dreamer becomes the dreamt in another’s thrice seen dream.

Shallow aphorisms floating in an "exotic" yet insipid story. The epitome of airport philosophy.

I, as a Brazilian, am compelled to dissuade you from reading this claptrap.

>>9040823
Even Brazil, his own country, doesn't take him seriously.