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What are some books that deal with leaving, escaping, or otherwise stepping outside the iron cage of modernity? Outside of the bourgeois hell of capitalism?
I'm reading J.G. Ballard's Drowned World and it makes me want more books like this.
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Grey Beard by the recently deceased brian aldiss.
Riddley Walker by Russel Hoban.
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I have been curious to know if there is a novel that had no human characters or even a definite animal as the "protagonist",
but spends the novel solely describing nature but still somehow manages to pull a plot out of it.
I would also expect that some beautiful prose would be necessary for such a novel to still be enticing.
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>>9958442
field recordings
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>tfw dukkha
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6FnSOYPNzc
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https://youtu.be/qOwFVowEugQ
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>>9957007
yup
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Is he the perfect example of how radical sincerity of thought will drive you to madness?
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>>9956998
Nah, pretty sure that was syphilis.
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I don't think Nietzsche would approve of radical sincerity.
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>>9956998
> his thoughts made his brain shrink to the size of a baseball
Yea no
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Prove to me that death exists
>inb4 ive seen someone died so it exists
>believing in senses
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This isn't literature
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everything you can conceive is a byproduct of your brain's activity, even this sentence, the meaning of this sentence, the very concept of meaning. there is no way to know the representation we have of the universe is correct, even the terms of this sentence are mere representation. The only limited truth we can attain is located inside your brains; hence we must reasonably believe in our senses. Now I've seen people die, hence death exists
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Just finished pic related, loved it but I hear the sequels don't live up to it. What does /lit/ think?
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>>9956890
Someone who's not me has a chart about this.
But I read the original, and the sequel to this. Both were great for me.
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>>9956890
Original is an essential work of science fiction. Sequels by Frank are good, but don't bother beyond that unless you're a completionist or super into pedantic extended universes for some reason.
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>>9956890
Is there anything that I need to read before I read this book?
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>>9956878
literally fuck off from this board you prick.
>9956876
That book and Sailor Who Fell from Grace are both good starting points for Mishima. I'd say go ahead.
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>>9956930
... newfag
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>>9957013
Actually the /pol/ influx to /lit/ is relatively new.
How do I convince autistic nerds to accept Death of the Author at least to some degree? I'm not talking about ignoring authorial insight altogether, but I'm sick of discussions that end up in "look, this interview from 10 years ago PROVES that my interpretation is objectively correct" and I feel sorry for them when they cry out in anguish when a giant corporation declares their favorite books to be "non canon", as if that makes them somehow less real.
I just want to shake them and yell "IP LAW DOESN'T DETERMINE INTERPRETATION YOU IDIOT", but it doesn't seem like linking them to French post-structuralist literary theorists would be much help, so is there a more accessible way to persuade them?
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Split the question
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>>9956851
Tolkien's foreword to the 2nd edition of LoTR.
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>>9956868
Altruistic reasons: I want others to have a healthier, more fulfilling and more enjoyable relationship with fiction.
Selfish reasons: I hate losing debates, which I do constantly because the other side has tons of "evidence" in the form of links and quotes and screenshots, while all I have are some abstract ideas that I struggle to put into words.
I also like to participate in the discourse and I hate having to wade through tons of very passionate, very well-prepared but completely useless discussions to get to something good.
>You know you're right, so why do you need to convince others?
Why did you write your post?
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> finish a book
> google what the next one in the series is
> find out it's been delayed 50 times over the last 5 years
why does this keep happening to me
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>>9956831
>though
Shit image
Also I feel you op
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>he reads books that are part of a series
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>>9956831
Just watch the show, Martin isn't going to finish WoW
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What are the physical characteristics of a true /lit/erate intellectual?
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glasses and pic rel
optionally tobacco pipe
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>>9956808
This pretty much.
All true intellectuals are highly redpilled, and all redpilled individuals are white and shredded, so I'd go with white and shredded.
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The French Revolution was an event in which urban intellectuals, jealous of the Aristocracy used the masses to grasp control. They govern society with theory instead of principle, substitute quantity for quality. Just as the military need well trained leadership, so does society. Irreligious, Rational, Materialistic men sterilize everything by analyzing it; including themselves. Children are considered in terms of "pros" and "cons". Art, architecture, clothing, furniture, music lose their form, becoming ever changing popular fads.
Lacking discipline to reform themselves, intellectual "world improvers" constantly propose theories on how to govern society. All forms of social distinction, good manners, honor, authority, rank are ceaselessly attacked and deconstructed. This process will continue until the idea exhausts itself-- Nihilism and Chaos.
Destiny has put us in this era of decay. We can face our fate with courage, or be cowardly optimists.
Every culture has gone through its own form of Nihilism and Skepsis, where skeptics question everything. How long then, does a Culture survive? After a certain number of generations, each culture transforms into civilization. What was formerly alive, becomes rigid and cold. Expansiveness of mind and spirit is replaced with a lust for expansion in the MATERIAL world. Life guided by ideals is replaced by life guided by politics and economics. The power of these ideas becomes strong, so much that it leads to Imperialism. A sign of transformation: is a Socrates, Buddha, Lao Tsu, Rousseau. They enunciate ultimate, but Earthly ideals with practical and terminal ideas. The materialistic ideas of mass and number begin to dominate the culture, governments try to appeal to the most, plebeian catchwords are used "equality" "the common good" "the working man".
In this era of transition, a man like Alexander the Great emerges (for the west it is Napoleon). His immense military success is due to ignoring Chivalric military traditions. Materialist thought guides military strategy. Technology and Mass are used to win. Armies shrink in size soon after, into voluntary professional armies, most join for money or love of combat. Armies gradually become privatized, Pacifism becomes popular in reaction, Society becomes increasingly litigious, Money is an Idea, which slowly becomes more abstract, until it itself becomes a power. It buys state power, and over time, the lines separating Politics and Commerce slowly fade away. Business and government combine, forming an Imperial Government.
There are men who desire power, who cannot be stopped.
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>Art, architecture, clothing, furniture, music lose their form
what was the dominant style around that time, rococo? thank god for that then
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>>9956704
Bruh the reason the bourgeoisie took power isn't because of some clever plotting, but simply because the traditional elite abandoned their role.
Nobility died before the monarchy did.
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>>9956718
t. unrefined pleb incapable of appreciating the grandeur and luxury of rococo
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Is there any good novel about mafia, besides Doctorow and Puzo?
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>>9956683
The Hoods, the book that Once Upon a Time in America is inspired by. I haven't actually read it, but if Sergio Leone liked it, it's gotta be worth a shot, right?
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>>9956693
Thanks, Luigi
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>>9956743
P R E G O
Fans of the hidden beauty of this show, what is the /lit/ equivalent?
Some example criteria:
- Cosy as fuck.
- Deep and true folk wisdom blended seamlessly with low IQ retardedness.
- Mindless degeneracy blended seamlessly with honorable character virtue.
- Moments of secret tenderness and perspective that make you question your definition of success.
Cheers all.
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>>9956653
>Cosy as fuck.
>Deep and true folk wisdom blended seamlessly with low IQ retardedness.
>Mindless degeneracy blended seamlessly with honorable character virtue.
>Moments of secret tenderness and perspective that make you question your definition of success.
Can't think of any specific examples because I'm a pleb but probably any sort of raunchy medieval-era fiction sounds like it would fit that description.
Now frig off
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>>9956662
Thanks anon, I've completely missed reading this guy and GoW looks right up my alley.
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>gender is performative
hmm. what about physiology? isn't there a biological basis to explain difference in feminine/masculine behavior?
anyway, interesting read
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>>9956615
the question isn't whether there's a biological basis to the behaviour, it's whether you can trap someone with the behaviour regardless of biological basis. sex is the biological stuff, gender is why arab males and lolitas wear dresses.
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>>9956615
Yeah but you still need to use language to describe physiology.
Your problem really is with Heidegger.
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You clearly didn't read the book.
My psychoanalyst wants me to lay off books because I can't help but relate to every situation in real life as something I've read before in a book. Is reading too much ever a bad thing?
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> My psychoanalyst
Shalom.
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>>9956598
If it distracts you from your actual life, yes.
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>>9956598
It's a bad thing if you don't read with a critical mind, like all those kids that killed themselves after reading Sorrows of Young Werther. Goethe was actually trying to point out how NOT to live through Werther, not how to live.
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>tfw plebeians complain about books they are not even close to being able to understand
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>>9956584
>The Floor Is Postmodernism
it's funny because it's actually a wall :3