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I was wondering, does there exists a branch of linguistic philosophy that is independent and different from Wittgenstein, fundamentally? If so can you recommend me some authors?
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World is a word.
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>>9090603
Hermeneutics my friend.
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>>9090603
Pragmatism, beginning of course with Peirce, who is based as fuck.

Saussure and the structuralists developed independently of Wittgenstein.

Heidegger is there but didn't write that much on language in Being & Time itself. There's the thing that Derrida read the structuralists and Heidegger, never really read Wittgenstein but managed to get similar conclusions to the late W.

After the Linguistic Turn, all philosophy is heavily invested in language, no matter the tradition, but the conclusions appear similar enough to the point that even the neopragmatists, of all people, would read Heidegger and Derrida, and also Wittgenstein again.

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I'm looking for weird literature recommendations.
I don't care in what respect it is weird, plot, writing style, etc. as long as it's in English.
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http://www.goodreads.com/list/tag/strange
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>>9090572
Victory Chimp! How many times do I have to fucking say it!?
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>>9090578
Can you explain what half of those -philias mean?

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>he's choosing to convey his ideas through literature instead of manga or a visual format
ROFL
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>>9090490
manga and graphic novels fucking suck at conveying emotion
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>>9090510
Maybe if you're a shit artist, but not if you git gud.

Granted a majority of manga artists are retards who just willy nilly throw faces around and don't set anything up. There's never been ambition in the industry until me desu

>says lots of words really fast without periods
Oh shit my dude, literally the most innovative writing of the millenia xd
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Visual Novels are the most patrician form of literature

Self promotion general

I want to see /lit/ anons works, unironically.

>muh career
It'll only make it more interesting, pic related.
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down in flames
up in waves
the faux drama of this phrase
has stolen too many days
from my uncertain heart
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I stare at the beach, at the blue waves sloshing and frothing mightily and lazily, so at ease with their power.
I see my past.
Childhood memories of salty green adventure, heart pumping with each muddy step out to open sea.
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>>9090406
I stare at the beach, the blue waves sloshing and frothing mightily and lazily, at ease with their power.
I see my past.
Childhood memories of salty green adventure, heart pumping harder with each muddy step out to open sea. Excitement is here! Happiness is taking that every new step toward the conquering of primordial fear. A little war, waged in high spirits.

>revision 1 I guess

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>In all the time I've spent on 4chan, I could have read those 500 books in my to-read list on Goodreads
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>>9090237
>Goodreads
not like your time is worth anything anyway, lol
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>>9090251
>doesn't meticulously track everything he does

not like your time is worth anything anyway, lol
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>>9090251
What a fucking bizarre thing to say to someone. Seek help

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What is a social construct? Can anyone in anthro give a good definition for the term?

How many of the following things are social constructs?
>money
>marriage
>etiquette
>hospitality
>gender roles
>decency
>success
>law
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>>9090195
The Social Construction of What? by Hacking opens with a very lucid explanation.
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Social constructs are spooks
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All of them are social constructs because none would exist without society.

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My friend says he thinks fiction is a waste of time(he doesn't read books at all) and I said I only read good literature. Then he asks what is "good literature". I gave home some examples of good books.

But What do you say to this? What is it that makes good literature good?
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>not doing what you like
>not reading what you like

What, then?
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I take Nabokov's opinion on literature as my criteria.

There are three types of literature.
1. To entertain.
This is the lowest form, where you will find contemporary shit like twilight, 50 shades which manages to entertain a few sad fucks.

2. For education.
Not necessarily ntellectually superior to the reading where entertainment is the sole purpose, but often higher than that. An important ingredient.

3.For enchantment.
The creative part of literature. The part where an author becomes an artist, and bewitched the reader with his work.

Truly great literature combines these ingredients in varying forms.
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why would you care what your illiterate friend thinks about books
Are you trying to get him to read more?

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Daily reminder that all great literary figures were attracted to prepubescent girls, or at least had some kind of a perverted fetish.

Lewis Carroll was a child-pornographer who took numerous pictures of children, often time bare-naked. He also wrote stories for children in order to attract them to him and express his feelings. Edgar Allan Poe married his first cousin when she was only 13 years old. God, the author of the most influential piece of literature, the Bible, chose Mary, who was 13 or 14 years old at the time, to conceive his son, Jesus Christ. Mohammed, the author of the Quran, married Aisha when she was 6 and copulated with her when she was 9 years of age. Dante Alighieri was attracted to the underaged Beatrice Portinari, just like Francesco Petrarch was attracted to the underaged Laura De Noves. And of course, Vladimir Nabokov, who wrote the infamous Lolita as a way to release his repressed sexual urges.

Really makes you think. I can go on and on.
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>>9090177
im attracted to your daughter
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>God, the author of the most influential piece of literature, the Bible
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13 or 14 was normal age for marriage back then. It'd be dumb to apply today's moral values to judge the past.

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>Something happened on the day he died
Spirit rose a metre and stepped aside
Somebody else took his place, and bravely cried
(I’m a blackstar, I’m a blackstar)

The Blackstar. Focus on the book and these lyrics. You'll learn the truth eventually...
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>>9089881
Bowie is shit

Average pop music that people have, for no good reason whatsoever, tried to meme up to be something more than a thing you happen to listen to on the radio as you drive your car around
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>>9089896
pleb detected
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>>9089881
H-holy shit...

Is it time, comrade?

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Folks, where can I find some modern poetry?

Also, what modern poets do you guys recommend?
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>>9089846
Modern as in current, or Modern as in TS Eliot, Pound and other poets in the Modernist movement, around the end of the Belle Epoque period?
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>>9089856
I know of modernist poetry. I'm looking for current poets. Do you have any suggestions?
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I could use this thread too. As much as I like to read older works, I really could use some poetry written in our era that doesn't absolutely suck and reek of "muh vagina."

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This is a crosspost from /x/, maybe you guys could help me find this.

When I was a kid, I'd walk to the library in my town and check out this book that had an exhaustive list of mythological creatures with descriptions of what they're about. Problem is, I can't remember a name, author, or anything of that sort. I'm fairly certain it wasn't a D&D monster manual or anything like that, so if one of you may own it or could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it.

All I remember about the book was that it was hardback, kind of cloth-feeling, and I remember it being orange. The two creatures that I knew for sure were listed were the Black Shuck and the Lich. Beyond that, it's all fuzzy.

I contacted the library, and they moved and built anew years ago, and have no memory of the book themselves nor do they have one like it on the shelves.

Alternatively, could any of you recommend me a good beastiary of mythological creatures to replace this one?
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Dunno but this should do the trick

Jorge Luis Borges, Book of Imaginary Beings
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Could you perhaps be thinking of the Time-Life "The Enchanted World" subscription book series? The "Ghosts" volume had a pretty cool Black Shuck image
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>>9089754
I can't seem to find a torrent of them and TPB is down. Seems like a good start, though. Thanks!

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Hello /lit/erati,

I have some questions:

1. Have you read The Ego and its Own by Max Stirner?
2. If so, did he convince you to agree with his philosophy?
3. If not, what arguments do you hold against him?

I'm asking this because in my experience Stirners philosophy is the hardest one to refute of anything that I've seen until now. I can see why one does not wish to agree with I'm, but I'm very curious about how one does this in a rational way.

The only way to do so would be to deny the ego as just another 'spook', but even if one does so it doesn't imply any moral considerations. So you would still be free to do as you please, just as you are according to Stirner. And even this argument may be flawed, since Stirner doesn't seem to suggest that the self is an actual, unchanging entity. He might just be the philosopher that killed Nietzsche, even before Nietzsche was born.
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>>9089698
>1. Have you read The Ego and its Own by Max Stirner?
Yes.

>2. If so, did he convince you to agree with his philosophy?
Nope.

>3. If not, what arguments do you hold against him?
He literally refuses to be reasonable because reason is a spook. Also he's a laughable historian.
Most of the points he make are just basic scepticism in a new form, and those problem have been dealt with for thousands of years. Nothing new.
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>>9089725
lmao you either lied about reading stirner or didn't understand his message
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>>9089698
>1. Have you read The Ego and its Own by Max Stirner?

Yes

>2. If so, did he convince you to agree with his philosophy?

To the extent that I understand it

>Stirners philosophy is the hardest one to refute of anything that I've seen until now.

Any refutation of nominalism would do it that said though its hard to refute Stirner because he doesnt really make much of an argument as much as he points out hypocrisy in existing thinkers

Anyone read this? It's a great critique to post-kantian philosophy as a whole, not so good 'new world view'.
The concept of correlationism tho
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>>9089616
Continental realism has almost restored my faith in continental philosophy after those frog faggots took it on that wild ride that was the 20th century
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>>9089798
>frog faggots took it on that wild ride that was the 20th century
In philosophy, what are we after more than learning a lesson right?

Just because people say things, and the people that have the power to get people all over the world to hear those things these some people say, does not make any of the parties involved 'correct, knowledgeable, meaningful, valuable, or honest'. Repeat it with me now. 3x
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>>9090042
what does frog faggots even mean?

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I know this is a stretch, but figured id ask and see if anyone knows.

Does anyone know the best book about Andrew Jackson?

I want to read about his battles and duels and all his early roughneck shit.
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Hijacking thread.

Is this any good?
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>>9090632

meh dont care as long as your still keeping thread somewhat on topic and bumping
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>>>/his/

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1. For you to know that a clock works, you must match it with another clock. For you to know that that clock works, you must too match it with another one.

2. If I were to match a clock with a universally accepted one. With what will I compare the universally accepted clock?

3. I may compare it to some axiomatic framework and understanding as to the operation of clocks but they can be no more certain. Any thought or interpretation can be derived from an axiom but they can be no more certain than it is itself.

4. If I were to say that such and such an operation or movement of atoms or photons in something I determine as 'temporal' is the standard by which I define a second. Then how am I sure of the measuring tool of atoms or photons that I have used? And doesn't this lead to the same problem as before?

5. If I am to be handed a clock, am I not always under the assumption that it 'works'? And what would a working clock look like exactly? Doesn't it work already within my daily life?

6. It is not that we should act at all turns as though this is the case. No, what we must do is simply realise the groundlessness of our beliefs.

7. Mustn't I say at all turns, "I believe this to be the case..."
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>>9089544
And what if all clocks on Earth are coordinated with one another?

And then they ran for some time, months, years. And they appeared to be relatively still coordinated?

Would this not s t r o n g l y imply that something about a single clocks mechanics, stayed consistent, and that another, and another clocks mechanics also stayed consistent (as the clock continued to work), and furthermore, they all stayed consistent with each other?
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>>9089544
different but semi related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMByI4s-D-Y

"The world's roundest object helps solve the longest running problem in measurement -- how to define the kilogram."
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>>9090056
>Would this not s t r o n g l y imply that something about a single clocks mechanics, stayed consistent, and that another, and another clocks mechanics also stayed consistent (as the clock continued to work), and furthermore, they all stayed consistent with each other?


It is not that I say we shouldn't believe such things are consistent. Only that we cannot say with certainty that they are.

How are you to be sure that the measuring tool you use for the clocks is not faulty and renders the same results on an anomaly? How are you to be sure that the clocks did not degrade into the same sequence but were initially incorrect?

If I am to say that I know all the clocks are correct because they all run in sequence. How do I know that without measuring them all and can I place such blinded faith in the measuring tool I used?

What matters is what we publicly come to agree is the second and whether we can accept each other's process of justification at any given moment.


We mustn't try to claim we can speak about the 'facts', rather, that we may only be able to speak of the facts themselves.

We cannot get at them. They are so to speak, beyond.

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