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It's much bleaker and to some extent more abstract than most horror I've read. It seems he started writing somewhat "standard" weird fiction mingled with his antinatalist philosophy, but as the years have gone by he's gotten a lot looser with writing easily comprehensible plots which is noticeable in stories like The Red Tower and In a Foreign Town, in a Foreign Land. They seem to exist in their own reality or nightmare-logic where the characters are not particularly surprised to encounter bizarre and unexplainable phenomena. Have you read any of his work or are you asking here to see if it's up your alley?

also that photo is of Jean Cocteau, not Ligotti.

>>9165159

I've been a fan of his since I came across a collection of his stories adapted into comic style (The Nightmare Factory, which got a second volume recently). This inspired me to find his unadapted work and I fell in love. Even managed to find a first edition of the original Nightmare Factory at Half Price Books for five dollars (it's worth up to one hundred). There's just something about his work that makes me continually come back, and that lingers more than other horror writers in an ineffable way. I think you said it best with the stories operating under nightmare logic, though.

>also that photo is of Jean Cocteau, not Ligotti.

Good looking out. I just went with whatever came up first when I googled his name.

>>9165206
That photo is somewhat infamous, amusingly enough. I'm not sure how the confusion started but it got to the point where a foreign publisher even used that photo in a translated volume of his stories.

Are you familiar with Robert Aickman at all? Apparently Ligotti doesn't like being compared to him, but as far as I'm concerned, they're equals when it comes to conveying that unmatched sense of "otherness" that remains with the reader. They're two of the only authors I've read whose phrases will repeatedly come to mind months after I've read them.

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>>9164948
self bump

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>>9164896
... Anon... Please stop!

>>9165008
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>>9164896

This is why you start with the Greeks and move on to the Romans.

>>9164744
C"a"n"y"o"u"a"t"l"e"a"s"t"u"s"e"p"r"o"p"e"r"p"r"o"n"u"n"c"i"a"c"i"t"i"o"n"?

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>>9164761
Is this how subvocalizers sound out words? No wonder they're so slow at reading

>>9164575
>Olga Sedakova
I gave heard of her, but I do not know much.
Red Pill me please.

>>9164601
She is a female, do deduce the rest.

>>9164601
Aren't you supposed to read the links some anonymous has bothered to post?

People like you got a whole tree though.

>>9164443

At least you will always be associated to the age old adage "OP is a faggot"

>muh genre fiction

Not all fiction needs to be about existential crises and melodramatic family problems.
Take the stick out of your ass and just read it if you want to.

>>9164373
There was and has been no greater Scot stylist; of course it's lit, as is the GG for the very same reason. Read his essays.

>>9164373
It's quite good. If you insist on genre distinctions, I'd label it as a 'great fairy tale' in the same way "Alice in Wonderland" or "Huckleberry Finn" are, so yes it's literature.

>>9164202
That's fine. The only thing one could argue with is that the word "shadow" is rather a metaphor and does not express exactly how the real apple form intervenes or penetrates or takes part in each single apple. But that's another difficult issue.

Seems pretty good. The things we see in reality "participate" in the forms (methexis) as garbled shadows or echoes of original purities. That's why you can rise to contemplation of the form of Beauty by beginning with lesser echoes of beauty, like lust for human bodies.

It might help to think about how Plato was influenced by Neo-Pythagorean thought, which had been thinking for a while, and contemporary with Plato, about how reality is structured by purer, more really "real" mathematical and geometrical laws. Think about any triangle you could possibly draw: How did the Greeks go from seeing any given set of triangles drawn in the dirt to the idea that there is a single, perfect triangle which all those are merely imitating imperfectly? Plato was very influenced by Neo-Pythagorean thought like this, including maybe it's more cult-like and mystical aspects.

You should also think about how this sets up inherent value relationships in Western metaphysics. There is a divine realm that is clearly "better," "more perfect," "purer," "more real." Our world is a faded echo or emanation of that. Obviously this kind of thinking is going to influence people ethically and religiously.

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>>9164224
The form of an apple is most fundamentally its DNA, wrap your dick around that one Ptato

>>9164170
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You could have picked from any of Thomas's poems and you just happened to choose the one that echoes through a church every time someone passes away?

She didn't miscarry, her baby was stillborn. She would still have made milk.

Look up Roman charity.

>>9164129
I'm still gutted that the Okies didn't get washed away in the flood. I was fervently rooting against those retards by that point in the novel.

90% cuck.

>>9164091
you're an idiot for even thinking this thread was a good idea. kys & sage

>>9163728
Say you liked the idea but not the execution

>>9163728
Say that the least-worst thing was decent

>>9163728

Just say it's "honest" and "has heart"

>>9163593
Yes. If you do that you are a brainlet and don't deserve to read serious philosophy

>>9163593
Just read an introductory book on Euclidean geometry.

>>9163593
Depends on your level. Trying to understand the demonstration and giving halfway through the first part would be a waste, because the last two part are the one with the most immediate impact on your life, even if you only get it partially because you don't understand where it comes from.

>>9163391
Ian Fleming.
Next thread.

>>9163391
Hemingway

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>Fleming
>Hemingway
>not Suave 'Chili' Flava

>Suave has also been credited as a writer and musical director for various films and screen plays including plays for theatre.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm6451470/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

Mortal Kombat was one of my favorite games. My brother hated that I played Baraka so much. I feel a little ashamed now, because he was spooked so much by that character I realize now I was given an edge.

>>9163167
Fuck you BAraKA

>>9163167
It's interesting. When I was growing up I thought Baraka was a bizarre character because he was clearly so gay no one would ever play him. Why wouldn't anyone play a cool-ass ninja or cyborg ninja instead?

But as you grow up, you learn that there are people with such radically different Umwelten that they think Baraka is cool. There's such an amazing variety and diversity of human beings in this world, and yet I feel like we can all get along.