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If a sign for Frege is just an amalgam of its sense and reference, in what sense is a Fregean sign different from Saussure's signifier/signified?
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>>9225844
Saussure saw the signifier psychologically – Frege's senses are abstract objects that aren't instantiated in any human mind – we merely 'grasp' them, sort of like Platonic forms.

The signifier is also part of the sign as such, whereas Frege's senses seem to exist independently of any particular sign, and signs in separate languages, or even perhaps separate signs in the same language (synonyms) might be able to share a sense.
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>>9226036
gr8 post

re: the abstractness of senses... consider his example in On Sense and Reference of the telescope with the moon. The image through the telescope is the sense, the retina/eye is the idea. Everyone has a different idea of a thing. But we can all get the same sense from a word if we approach it correctly, its accessible in a very important and special way for Frege, which really helps connect him to Locke and enlightenment thinkers
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>>9226036
>Frege's senses seem to exist independently of any particular sign

This is really confusing to me, and I get that's how he thought about it because he does, as you point out, say that different signs can share the same sense. But I have no idea how that could be the case, since he describes sense as "the mode of presentation" of a sign, which I don't see as anything other than its literal physical shape (IE. =ab has a different sense from =aa because =ab includes a different term [and is thus also a different sign]). What would be an example of a two different signs that share a sense?

Like two signs can share a reference and have dissimilar senses, which I guess is largely the point of Sense and Reference, but I don't see how dissimilar signs, with the identical or different references, can share a sense, or what a sign refers to other than a sense.

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Hello /lit/ can someone recommend good novels/plays/poetry about people with body dysmorphia disorder, ugly people, or general literature featuring main characters who are due to some physical issue are not likely to be featured in traditional fare? Thanks.
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your diary
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my diary desu
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>>9225708
Richard III

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What do you think is the reason because George R.R. Martin based the map of westeros on an orgasmic spaniard?

>pic related (irrefutable evidence)
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Too redpilled for you, eh?
What a fuckers fuck you lit im going back to pol where there's people with an actual brain.

Jesus, i swear, everyone whose interest aren't related to the STEM field is a waste of society resources.
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>>9225356
It's actually just a badly drawn Britain
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>>9225356
Weiner, weiner, weiner, weiner, weiner …

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I want to get into philosophy but I have no background whatsoever. What should I read to get a comprehensive insight into philosophy? Which authors can I read (and understand) without needing knowledge of previous philosophers?

I've seen lists on /lit/ before but they were all very extensive. Maybe keep it to 10 books for now.

>pic related
Is he worth reading and actually approachable for someone without prior knowledge?

I'm sorry if this has already been asked a gazillion times...
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start
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Start with the Greeks.
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>>9225168

Scrolled through the whole image and exhaled aggressively when I reached Zizek.

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Why has life expectancy among philosophers not changed in the last 2000 years?

How did Plato live till 80 in a world with no medicine?
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>>9224943
>How did Plato live till 80 in a world with no medicine?
he was chill af
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>how did Plato live till 80 in a world with no medicine?
>who is Hippocrates
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Life expectancy in the past was only so low because of the amount of children who died. If you actually survived to be an adult and weren't a peasant doing backbreaking labor, you would likely live a long life.

I read /lit/ more than I read books lately.
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I almost never finish any book I start
I compulsively buy books but barely touch any of them
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>>9224701

Same. I have tons of philosophy books and I just read the Sparks Notes.
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>>9224703
Jesus, at least upgrade to the Stanford Encyclopedia or something.

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Should i read kneechee and find out what real truth is?
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there's no real truth brah just make your own bro the world is your canvas do as you please dude
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>>9224613
Also ignore women man, they're just cows at best too empty to be called shallow
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>>9224607
Who is this girl and why are people posting her here?

More books like My Twisted World?

Not books about murderers, I'm talking books where people talk about their journey of self-improvement, their struggles, their inner most thoughts.

I really enjoyed reading about Elliot's struggle to improve himself, hopping from school to school hoping things will be different, reading about the law of attraction, his desperate attempts to win the lottery, sneaking into parties. I liked seeing his secret thoughts, what he thought about himself and his friends, his night walks and night drives, great read desu.
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elliot had a lot of problems and went too far in a few cases but he def had the right idea about women.
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Notes From Blunderground.
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Crime and punishment?

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What are the absolute essential pieces for starting psychology
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I'm fond of 'Psychology: Themes and Variations' as an introductory text.
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A psychology textbook for an introductory university course.
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>>9224199
Not that wannabe wizard for sure

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Does literature helps us empathize with other people? Let's say if a /pol/ack actually picks up some Achebe or Baldwin, would they drop their Grand Wizard gear?
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/pol/ just wants to gas all the people who commit crimes because they love this planet and their own people so much
They have high empathy
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>>9223976
this is what most libcucks and JIDF don't understand
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>>9223966
Speaking for myself, "Things Fall Apart" really hit me hard as a kid. I had only the simplest understanding of what the world was like beyond small town wisconsin, or what the world was like a couple hundred years earlier.

I think the act of reading something which presents another persons point of view is inherently a test of empathy. Can you relate to the authors perspective, or will you reject it?

I'd like to think literature can create empathy, but I don't know if there anyway to prove it. Did the empathy exist before the reading, just waiting to be opened? Or did the reading birth empathy that did not exist prior to the reading.

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how do you get your readings /lit/?

http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
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This + Kindle
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Not there. They have practically nothing. Slsk, library, abebooks. Sometimes you can get lucky with libgen
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>>9223960
That and Google book store, the convenience cannot be denied.

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What all should I read of Aristotle?
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The answer is in the question.
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>>9223515
just read all of it
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Try asking this in English.

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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/03/jason-reza-jorjani-stony-brook-alt-right-arktos-continental-philosophy-modernity-enlightenment/

>look guys, postmodern philosophy was useful in the 1970s and 1980s, when the Establishment was still mildly conservative and we had no rational way to defend the Soviet Union without looking like assholes, but now the Establishment is entirely progressive and we don't have a state founded upon our ideology clearly collapsing to embarass us anymore, and our enemies are using the philosophy we created to deny reality to deny OUR reality, so it's time to throw all those Adorno, Foucault and Baudrillard books in the trash and go back to Enlightened positivist triumphalism

When will you realize that the left is not consistent in anything other than the intelligentsia's pursuit for absolute power.
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Jacobin articles read like ISO leaflets printed by pink-washed dweebs at the local community college.
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>>9223321
no shit the left isnt consistent, it is a nearly uselessly large categorization
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is this a quote from the article?

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>I enjoy this book
Why do people say shit like this? Literature isn't cheap entertainment. You don't read for enjoyment, you read for the same reason you've ever read, to learn. This is equivalent to reading for the plot. Reading for the plot is like ordering a meal for the plate.
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>>9222973
*tips fedora*
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>>9222973
I actually do sometimes read for entertainment. What the fuck are you going to do about it, faggot?
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>>9223042
Fedora wearers are redditors who read pulp fiction like King, Tolkien, and Rowling.

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How do I get started with Zizek?
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You stick your head inside your butt and sniff it till it goes bang
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Suck his dick until it explodes right in your tight throat
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just watch some funni ~5 min videos like the rest of us

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