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but that pic isn't Wittgenstein

It's "nothing personnel kid" for fucks sake.

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>>9973599
>>9973610
consider yourselves PoMo'd

I agree there should be a kind of music that sentences create when telling the story of a novel. Poetry is better for that but it should be in novels too.
All I can say is...I try. It takes me a year to get an 80,000 word first draft down, then another six months to polish it up.

I do read poetry. I Write poetry. I think it can be a step above novels. The novel writing club is a bit like the art and fashion scene. Rich dickheads, pompous and nepotistic

I think most people are persuaded into novels because they are pretty easy. The hardest part about writing a novel is writing well for such a long period of time, likewise appreciating it can be similar

Alot of people disregarded poetry because of all the trash out there. Just take a look at the /lit/ poetry threads. These people are allegedly in touch with literary tastes. Also literally impossible to ever make anything of yourself by writing decent poetry

A novel teaches you how a good person lives, how a bad person acts, about the interactions between people, and how well adapted things are to the environments around them. In some ways it does this better than non-fiction does.

Poetry is flowery prose, nothing more.

I think wine is for faggots, no offense.

I'm drinking vodka cran and reading hemingway

>>9973462
Something hilariously, and childishly ironic about you're homophobic statement and you're reading Hemingway.

>>9973462
>vodka cran
>cran
and he calls other people gay

A socially anxious man whos exterior personality contrasts largely with his inner self (almost as if hes wearing a mask) goes to visit his grandmother whom hes never seen in person for the summer. Upon arriving she mistakes him for the gardener (as he's half mexican) and he is too feeble and cowardly to correct her. Instead of spending the summer relaxing and enjoying his grandmothers beatiful estate, he spends the summer sleeping in a small shack and doing yard work. He's resentful and spiteful the entire time but is unable to fix the problem by confronting his fear of interaction. I don't know how it will end

>>9973433
Rain is a guaranteed 1-day-long meteorological phenomenon. How much it rains depends on how long goes by before the next storm. The longest period on record (preceding the most ruinous storm on record) was just under 2 weeks. It hasn't rained in a little over a month now, and the sky is getting cloudy.

>>9973433
Because I don't understand human beings well I can only write about myself.

If I were to ever write a novel it would be about an awkward and unhappy young man who learns everything he knows about the world from books and is a general failure at everything but maybe slowly improving as he reads more. I'd like to somehow convey what constantly being hit with the feeling of 'oh shit, that's probably worth knowing' after reading basic platitudes and truisms feels like. I know nothing so every insight is valued and hoarded even if I'm too retarded to apply them.

I imagine that if I were to ever write it the result would be somewhere between American Psycho by BEE and Peace by Eugenio Lobos. Maybe also a touch of our Supreme Gentleman.

>>9973438
already read it. I liked the ending

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ironically, this isn't THAT easy, but it'll help you

>>9973385
Ja.

>>9973385
you know it's not about the holocaust, right?

Hemingway a shit

>>9973372
No, it was a literary endeavour.

>>9973372
It's the product of herman melvilles spiritual autolysis.
Ishmael is Ahab, Ahab is himself in the process of spiritual autolysis.
Ahab must kill the white whale at all costs, because it's his last obstacle in the process.
Ahab can ignore everything else in life, because the process demands purity of intent.
The book has a happy end, Ahab survives as Ishmael and is done with the process of spiritual autolysis,
now a truth-realized, enlightened non-person.

>>9974906
I've seen a lot of crackpot theories on this book, and that's is surely the worst.

>>9973357
Tolkien would almost certainly abhor whatever you think "redpilled" means

>>9973357
The Gormenghast books already are that

>>9973452
this

>I'm reading the tractatus logico philosophicus
don't

>>9973331

Too late now. I'm 50 pages in and I'm determined to finish it.

>>9973331
Can you just jump straight into Wittie's later stuff without going through this then?

>>9973305
read Mao I

>>9973444
thanks for bump
also, chuckle

>>9973305
Gravity's Rainbow is miles better than Crying.
Underworld is also gonna give you a bit more of what you want. It's not consistently great, but it does have those show-stoppers, including the first 60 or so pages of the novel.

Yeah, the opening to Mao II really is something else. Delillo is one of the greats for sure.

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>>9973295
almost every rejection letter i have ever received has been either form or form + one vague sentence about what they thought wasn't working. and i've had my share of acceptances, so i don't think it's completely because i'm shit.

do people actually get long, personalized rejection letters like this?

>>9973382

One relatively well-known agent told me on the phone I should "go to writing school" and was laughing when he hung up

Which publisher was this from?

Help me understand what is poetry?

>>9973283
idk, just write a bunch of shit but make it sound good (usually w/ meter, rhyme, similar sounds, etc.)

>tfw you write Shakespeare/Wordsworth tier shit but you realize your work will be buried under the ashes of more thoughtful posts

>>9973213
I legitimately have trouble believing that IJ is anybody's favorite book. It's incredibly "meh" at best, and to me it's just another one of those books that I can say I've read, and that's about it.
>Is it really worth it?
Depends on how much you value your time.

>>9973213
I read the whole thing. Parts of it are some of the best reading I've ever done in my life. DFW really was a genius with words. But the way it comes together in the end leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I'd say overall it's worth a read.

>>9973213
>Almost every person around my age that I've talked to about books has told me their favorite author is DFW and their favorite book Infinite Jest

Why lie about this? You know you're lying.

I wanna read it but I'd rather read a few more tomes before I devote the time to reading that meme

First book: 10/10
Second book: yo what the fuck is this Neil Gaiman shit
Third book: snoozefest, also MICHAEL NEVER FUCKING KILLED ANYONE YOU FUCKING HACK MOORE YOU WERE BUILDING THAT UP ALL FUCKING BOOK

>>9973182
Yes and mostly

Convenient excuse

>falling for the schhol of thought meme
>not joining a freemasonic rite to learn life's real truths

ayy lmao

>>9973074
You obviously don't really understand determinism. You are like the compatableists who think having control is what the debate is about. You obviously have control. You however have limited control over the influences that determine your choices and the control you have over your influences is also influenced by other influences.

I.e. You were influenced not to leave your bed because of a faulty idea. Real free will doesn't even make sense. Do you have the will to imagine a color that you have never seen? You can't because of your limited mind. If your mind is limited by experience then how could you make some choice uninfluenced by the chain of events that led you to the fork in the first place?