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This goes for poetry-tards as well

"Oh look, I derive enjoyment from the minuscule amount of brainwork required to perceive the fact these two words share the same ending, or sound the same, or are arranged in the precisely autistic way that's simplistically pleasing to my hedonistic brain brain waves that is akin to chimps laughing at the way their own grunts sound"
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>>9322199
oh, and puns are fucking idiotic. Kill yourself.
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>>9322199
> or sound the same
generally speaking I don't care for rhyming poetry, the limitation imposed by its structure is supposed to lend it to being "musical" or something but you limit yourself to rhyming and thereby excluding you from writing with precision of emotional content, free verse is where its at, and there is a music to anything with sufficient aesthetic appeal
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>>9322212
Rhymes are also generally pretty forced, there's jardly anything organic about it. I find Hart Crane rhymes organically enough, but there are few who can/could.

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Any more?
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bumpety bump
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>>9322167
Fuck that's unkempt

Lets see your edgiest quote /lit
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`` I come not to bring peace, but a sword. '' - John Lennon
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>What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
- My Diary Desu

How can Americans, dare I say it, compete?

Even under the Communist regime they produced literature that is on another level above what Americans could ever produce.

They also have contributed an infinitely more significant amount to the fields of philosophy, theology and theatre.

Russian authors:

19th Century:
>Tolstoy
>Dostoevsky
>Gogol
>Pushkin
>Lermontov
>Chekhov
>Turgenev
>Goncharov

20th Century:
>Bulgakov
>Solzenitzen
>Grossman
>Pasternak
>Nabokov (he was Russian)
>Sholokov
>Platonov
>Bunin

Thoughts?
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>>9321919
Not the most subtle bait. We all know Russian literature declined drastically following the Russian Revolution.
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>>9321953
ДEЛИT ЗЫC
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"Do you know what? The Russians, they'd only be an eight o' clock breakfast for the Japanese." - James Joyce

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I loved this. Can you guys recommend any more metatheatre / absurdist theatre / absurdist literature? Besides the basic names like Beckett and Camus.
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>>9321887
Do I need to read Shakespeare to understand this?
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Try his radio play Darkside. It's a weird exploration of the trolley/tram problem set to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon.
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>>9322061
It's funnier if you do

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I wish I had an Enikdu Q_Q
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what's an Enkidu?

> it does THIS!
> cuts down sacred tree
> kills demons
> etc
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>>9321884
I wish I had a Gilgamesh ;-;
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>Your dicks will never get tangled in a naked wrestle

Why even live

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besides "the Corrections"? I wanna start reading him but don't wanna start there. Which would you recommend? "the Twenty Seventh City"? "Freedom"?
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>>9321874
Don't bother. Read Tao Lin instead. Tao>Franzen
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Start with the Corrections
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>>9321886
No. Fag.

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Jordan Peterson is going to start a series of videos that do a psychological explanation of the Bible starting in mid-May. I've been looking for a reason to read it and this seems like as good of a reason as any. Which version should I get?
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KJ
Peterson is just an autistic old man psychologist and you shouldn't take him too seriously
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>>9321806
starting threads about peterson or stirner should be against the rules
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>>9321847
What's wrong with Stirner? Are you a reactionary?

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"Sports, politics, and religion are the three passions of the badly educated."

Why is this?
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>>9321752
>religion
>bad
>politics
>bad
Sounds like fedora tipping deconstructive nonsense. Is he Jewish? This is a very Jewish thing to say.
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>>9321752
>Why is this?

They are the Midwest's open sores. Ugly to see, a source of constant discontent, they sap the body's strength. Appalling quantities of money, time, and energy are wasted on them. The rural mind is narrow, passionate, and reckless on these matters. Greed, however shortsighted and direct, will not alone account for it. I have known men, for instance, who for years have voted squarely against their interests. Nor have I ever noticed that their surly Christian views prevented them from urging forward the smithereening, say, of Russia, China, Cuba, or Korea. And they tend to back their country like they back their local team: they have a fanatical desire to win; yelling is their forte; and if things go badly, they are inclined to sack the coach.
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Each one is gossip masquerading as something more important.

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What do you all think of him?

I sometimes think he's unambitious, but I still hardly ever find better more cogent writers than him.
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I'd be surprised if you knew what cogent means.
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>>9321719

Well, we now know you didn't know what it meant until you googled it before this comment.
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>>9321730
That's a cute response.

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>primarily concerned with the prose of a novel
You guys are such failtards. Learn to read critically.
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nobody here is concerned with the prose of a novel. it is an abstract and subjective enough thing that they can cite 'good prose' without knowing why and still feel elitist because noone on the board is themselves smart enough to question

its a viscouspseudcycle
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>>9321684
Word.
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>>9321684
Wwoooahh! Incisive commentary.

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Is there a single decent argument against moral relativism?
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reductio
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>>9321654
Is there an argument for moral objectivism? I'd like to hear it. Honestly. I'm here with you OP.
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>>9321654
How's this for a decent argument? Faith in the Lord Almighty.

What did she mean by this?
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>>9321588
She was a Christfag who lamented the perceived declining morals of America and lack of religiosity in her audience.

Anyway what the fuck is the moral of half her stories? 'Horrible things happen to flawed people.' She wrote far more about karma than she ever did about God.
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>>9321588
She meant the youth used to read about stories with morales which made them good people and today they read about the Hunger games or Harry Potter which is degenerate.
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>Morals
Most great works are great because they ask questions and force the reader to think for himself and come to his own conclusions, not because they include neatly wrapped answers to impossible questions.

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How do I stop hating my own writing? I love the act of writing, and when I show others what I've made they tend to at least enjoy some of it and find it interesting enough to finish. But I can't stand reading back through my own works. At first it was because I knew my writing was lackluster and I was just writing out stories as a means to improve on myself, but now I just don't know. I mentally and physically cannot bring myself to read my own stuff no matter how hard I try and always end up sending it off to someone else without ever finding out if what I wrote is what I actually wanted to have read.
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>>9321538
How long have you been writing?
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>>9321543
Nearly two years on and off. Actually set out with the mind to write a novel back in May or June of 2015 and got through the first quarter of the story before going off on a tangent and losing the story as a whole due to my issues with reading my own writing. Stopped doing anything for four or so months then tried to go again with some short stories this time thinking they'd be easier to manage for now so I could try and get better at reading my own shit. Year and a half later and I can barely get through the first couple of paragraphs of my own stuff without getting irritated and going off to do something else.
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>>9321549
Two years was sort of a threshold for me. Try to write non-stop for a little bit. Growing from the first drafts and then, after some time has passed. Try reading your old shit. It'll be bad, but in a funnier way. And you'll see those glimmers of what you're striving for throughout your oeuvre in little lines that make you go damn.

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I don't get it. People often complain about how difficult it's to read Ulysses, complain about their complexity and the way in which the author writes; All the people who told me that they have read the novel never finished it. They say that one ends up feeling like an ignorant idiot for all the references he doesn't understand. I've heard people say «Read Ulysses isn't to entertain or pass the time», I've heard people say that they don't enjoy the book, that hates the author, that is an excessively vulgar and grotesque book, but despite all this... they keep reading it.
That's the point i want to reach, why? Why is Ulysses worth reading? What does one win at the end, when does it end?
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It's fun af to read. Treat a book like a friend instead of someone trying to intimidate you to death.
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>>9321499
I dunno, I liked the first half but the second half got tedious.
- chapter structured like a play
- chapter structured like a catechism
- etc.
I also didn't really care about the Stephen Dedalus character, which made it more tedious as it got toward the end.
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>>9321499
Most people that like it will like it because of its contributions to literature, and how it references and plays with other works. Most people that aren't extremely into literature will only read it for the sake of feeling superior. If you've read a lot I assume it will seem clever and make you smile with all the things you'll pick up from it. For me I find it worth reading because the few things I do understand make me smile or bewilder me with entertaining new forms of prose I haven't seen before.

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