Did Stavrogin rape the little girl?
In his confession he alludes to it, but the text doesn't explicitly say anything except that he kisses her. But then she goes on to hang herself. The context makes it seem like he did something much worse, especially because he was so ashamed, even though he did much worse things and felt no guilt about them.
Also, Dostoevsky thread.
I don't have the book with me right now but I remember it being very clear that he did have his way with her.
I just finished The Idiot this week. Not my favorite of his. I feel like I missed a lot of the themes because I'm not a 19th century russian, but I didn't feel that as strongly when I read C&P or BK. There were places where he seemed to skip ahead in the plot because he was too lazy to write it. It was a really good soap opera but didnt really strike me the way his other novels do.
I understand what he was trying to do with the prince but he didn't really seem to have any sort or drive or purpose. I remember being confused as to why he even showed up in Petersburg in the first place. He said he came to see Mrs. Yepanchin on business, but gets so caught up in the plot the reason sort of disappears?
I liked it overall but it just wasn't as tight of a story as I expected.
>>9327308
>Did Stavrogin rape the little girl?
No, he didn't. You have to understand that the 19th century was infamous for its utter prudery in Europe. You need to understand the whole context: the girl was brutally abused every now and then, so, she didn't have any feel of self-worth whatsoever. Considering anything sexual related is unthinkable and therefore demonized - especially in such a brutal and freedom-robbing family she lives in - it had quite an impact on the girl, feeling like a worthless whore she actually isn't, but Stavrogin assaulted her with what is usually associated with affection, while it wasn't intended as such; just something out of spite because he can.
Dostoyevsky is very prudish in his works, since he only implicates sexual matters, but you usually get the picture. Since Dostoyevsky didn't implicate anything more to the kiss, it stands by its own.
If you've read The Idiot, then it is also implicated thatNastassja grew up as a well educated sex slave for summer holidays.
>>9327725
>I understand what he was trying to do with the prince but he didn't really seem to have any sort or drive or purpose
Yeah, he hadn't a particular drive. Myshkin is nothing but good natured man through and through, and doesn't have any agendas. In case you didn't catch it: Myshkin symbolizes Jesus Christ, Rogoshin symbolizes Lucifer, and Nastassja symbolizes humanity, torn between salvation and self-loathing longing for self-destruction.
>had had
>>9327265
>If the opinion he had had had had any relevance
>he'd had
>>9327272
what would be a better way of saying it?
>If the opinion he'd had still held any relevance
?
Some classy gent has made a reading list and uploaded it as PDF. Enjoy /lit/
http://higher-order.tumblr.com/tagged/reading%20list
>>9327190
>tumblr
Like I'm reading the blog of some trans-pony dyke.
>>9327228
It's a classical aesthetics/traditionalist tumblr. There's no trans ponies to be found and the blog itself isn't the point anyways.
https://archive.fo/eH06n
Archive link so you don't have to visit Tumblr
This is hilariously awesome btw. Probably the best meme ever on /lit/.
>MUH translations
Seriously check it out, Woods knows it was untranslatable.
>>9327097
Worth the $45?
>>9327097
Is it a reference to Midsummer Night's Dream or a gay thing?
>>9327097
my iq isnt high enough
What actually is the difference between a symbol and an allegory?
>>9327088
Allegory is like if the whole story was a symbol
allegory is a particular expression of a general idea, or to show something ideal with something real.
according to romantic aesthetics a symbol is the special case of identity between special and general, when it becomes difficult to distinguish between real and unreal, like in legends and myths.
the only thing moby dick could be an allegory for is a mutation, a freak of nature
most allegories are cheap trite
>my book has an allegory about God, this makes it more literary
go away
Is it worth reading Baudelaire's masterwork translated?
I liked that anime. I also liked the translated poetry collection. Conclude from this what you will.
Tokiwa BEST FUCKING GIRL EVER. Now, altough Badudelaire has it's charm i couldn't bring myself to finish Flowers of evil
>>9326983
I've read it and enjoyed it but as with any poetry you'll lose massive amounts in translation.
French isn't a difficult language to pick up though so try learning some.
Any advice on building better reading habits? I try to do 5 pages a day like that other anon keeps posting about, and carrying a book everywhere with me. Any other advice some of you have had success with?
How to read on train without throwing up?
5 pages a day is nothing, do people really do that?
I just read on the train or the bus, I travel 2 hours everyday so I get to read around an entire chapter(or at least that's what I try).
>>9326976
I find that listening to Structures from silence while reading helps me concentrate a lot.
Post last, current, and next
>>9326970
>Last
Sound of Waves by Mishima
>Current
The Instructions by Levin
Child of God by McCarthy
Pride and Prejudice by Austen
>Next
Confederacy of Dunces by Toole or Freedom by Franzen
>>9326970
>Last
Ender's Game
>Current
Great Dialogues of Plato, WHD Rouse translation
>Next
Moby-Dick
>>9326970
>Last
The Last Victim
>Current
Demons/The Possessed
One Hundred Years of Solitude
>Next
Not sure
Why is there no American soul though? It seems suspicious why this would need an entire wikipedia article because their work has some depth to it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_soul
>>9326868
What is stupid in that picture
>>9326888
They used the South African World Cup logo while talking about the Brazilian World Cup.
>>9326868
Because there's less cultural cohesion in 'murrica. Russia is uniformly a corrupt hellhole full of alcoholics, profiteers who'd prostitute their own babushka for kopeks on the ruble, and generally miserable, utterly dysfunctional human beings.
When talking about the Spirit of 'murrica one inevitably goes into regional distinctions.
Analyze this line in 1984, /lit/:
"We shall meet in the place where there is no darkness."
>>9326765
they gon party on the sun
>>9326765
Why are socialists and liberals obsessed with this book as of the 2016 election? Do they not realize that they're on the wrong side if they want to apply the plot of this book to real life?
>>9326880
They fail to realize that Trump is Emmanuel Goldstein, not BB.
What would you say, if I said everything is exactly how it's supposed to be at all times?
pic unrelated
>>9326727
id say whatever i was supposed to say
>>9326727
Be quiet.
>>9326727
It figures.
>Pynchon explicitly acknowledges his debt to Beat Generation writers, and expresses his admiration for Jack Kerouac's On the Road in particular.
How do you deal with this, /lit/?
>>9326716
What's the problem, sport?
Don't care much. His clear influence is what keeps him from being respected outside of America.
>>9326732
What do you mean?
Are the simpsons the most /lit/ cartoon?
>>9326678
no that's fritz the cat and all those drawings of stirner
>>9326686
fuck that cat tbqh
>>9326678
Who the hell thought the new animation sequence should be used? It looks so unnatural and static.
What are some single-volume or short series graphic novels or manga that are worth reading? I've only read some of Alan Moore's work and some short manga issues but I'm interested in the medium
what is maus
>>9326566
ghost in the shell
>>9326587
I thought GitS was fucking massive?
Favorite Bible verse.
Go.
>his isn't John 12:24
1 Corinthians 6:9
none