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there are just better forms of entertainment now. literature changes with technology, albeit slowly, like serialised fiction when newspapers became popular. I think a writer has to write what they want. once the work is out there, that's a matter of taste.

>>9334900
But books have been around for thousands of years, though they've been relegated to niche status compared to television and movies. Is it just because we used to read the same books together over and over for all those years? Its almost like people have constructed a bubble where literature has to exist because of centuries of historic texts that are written in extinct dialects nobody uses anymore.

>>9335313
>its almost like people have constructed a bubble where literature has to exist because of centuries of historic texts that are written in extinct dialects nobody uses anymore.

yes, that's called high culture. a prestige hobby usually doesn't have much function by definition. most classics were not the popular books of their day. literature is almost always curated after the fact.

>>9334652
>the message
>the

>>9334801
Hahahahahahhaahhahahahah good one hahahahahahahhahaha

>>9334652
you obviously never read TR

>>9334427
Exact same thing for me. All these recommandations are really but I'm gonna add one.

Explore what kind of genre you could like. Just like OP, I started really getting into reading 3 months ago and now I can't stop. Before that, I thought that I hated it because I had only read shitty fiction books. I discovered later that I'm really into history and philosophy and now it's my main occupation

>>9334427
very good advice friendo, you are giving me a very comfy vibe.

>>9334427
Is this a spicy new meme?

>>9333714
he's the worst writer out of any philosopher i've ever read. his sentences are short, his terminology is incredible easy. it's basic af. i have no fucking clue how anyone could fail to understand it, it's the level of a 14 year old

>>9333714
Take your time, concentrate, reread passages you find particularly confusing, and don't hesitate to consult supplementary material. It won't be easy, it will test your patience, but if you stick with it it will change you.

>>9333715
Why are you wasting time on 4chan, genius? Go invent the greatest philosophy, leave us brainlets alone.

desu the text is more of a problem than the dick handle, there's no aliasing so it doesn't feel like it's blended into the composition

>>9333377
There aren't any.

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Dreamscape

Zone by Mathias Enard

>>9333075
If you're asking instead of looking then you've already failed.

You have to move to a place where they speak the language while also studying the language. Best results.
>>9333080
You're a dumb faggot

1. Learn grammar
2. Learn 2000 most common words
3. Read books

No. Yes.

It's shit but I haven't read it

I don't know if it's shit, but I've read it.

The whole thing consists of sub plots that include character studies, meditations on religion, morality, and russia. The murder trial is only that which follows. Pay attention to each character and see how they compare.

>>9332483
Prep?Just start with the greeks

>>9332483

Might want to stretch before you do bro.
Start with some cardio get your heart rate up bro

Christianity is an universalist, adaptable religion which readily incorporated Platonic and Aristotelian thought even though those authors predate it and do not belong to the cult(ure) of Judaism.

It's a project for eternity that claims to reveal the immortal Logos to all humankind, stop looking for excuses not to read the Bible when approaching Christian authors.

>>9333621
That said, Voegelin has a huge problem with religious and secular, theistic and non-theistic, groups of people that claim private access to an ultimate Truth and have anche Escathon to immanentize in this world.

He calls them all "Gnostics", even though they're from the last Century. Gnosis for the nazis and commies are the Aryan Volkgeist or class "consciousness", but it could very well be being "woke" for the Identity politics of today; the Escathon are the Third Reich or the communist utopia, but it could be a Marcuse's New World of Happiness.

Whereas Jesus' (and Voegelin's) Kingdom is in another world, and yet it is also already within you. Read the Bible.

You can find more about/by Voegelin in Voegelinview.

I just started reading secondary works about this guy and his intellectual history seems really interesting. I only know some biographical details about the guy but I'm definitely not qualified to talk about his ideas. I'd love to hear anyone's take on him, though. I'll probably burn through the first three volumes of Order and History this summer along with New Science of Politics as prep work.

On his faith, iirc he was a non-practicing Christian. I may be wrong, though.

>>9332161

a Braille copy of Cardiac Surgery for Dummies
True Grit

Iliad, The Idiot, Brothers Karamazov, Crime and Punishment, Fathers and Sons, War and Peace, Ajax, Idylls of the King, Oresteia, Oedipus trilogy

Beyond Good and Evil, The Genealogy of Morals, Thus Spake Zarathustra, Twillight of the Idols

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>>9332014
>Peterson BTFO

Nice try

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>>9332014
>peterson btfo

err.... wew..... *cringes and looks away*

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A CHALLENGER APPROACHES

I feel this way about films too, at 17 I was super impressed by the likes of Bergman or Bresson, but I didn't see everything from them.

If I'd watch something from them now, I feel like I wouldn't get anything from their films. It would be worthwhile if I've seen them at that age, but now, it's just pointless after I discovered people like Lav Diaz or Wang Bing.

>>9331817
What is it about post-modernism that you like? If you like maximalist prose, you might be into some modernist writers like Joyce or Henry James. If you like metatextuality, you'd probably enjoy Spanish-language writers like Cortazar or Borges or Pablo Neruda. Other earlier works are worthwhile. Post-modernism is super cool, but other stuff is enjoyable too.

You could always jump away from novels and get into plays. Modernist plays were real neato, and so are post-modern plays.

>>9331865
But you're going to have to read medieval and golden age plays to really get everything out of any play written in the 20th century. Reading the Greeks would help too, but only abstractly. I forgot to mention that.

probably his best desu

>>9331811
It is extremely polarizing, but those who like it love it.
read 9 stories and Raise High/Seymour for more Glass Family stuff.
Bananafish, the first short in 9 Stories is GOAT Salinger

>>9331811
Me too.

Now, while England's literature isn't all that, the english language has better literature than any other.
Second of all, Russian literature gets fairly weak after realism (it's pretty much just Bely, Bulgoko and Solzhe), while French literature matches it at all times and stays pretty good.
Third, spanish literature stays right there good job.

>>9331381
>Now, while England's literature isn't all that, the english language has better literature than any other.
Wrong. God, you anglos are delusional.

>>9331394
I'm brazillian retard.
Literature in english is U.S.+England+Ireland+A Decent deal of Africa. France doesn't really compete, as much as I like Proust and Grillet.