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>>10027386
What's the problem?
In my senior cycle in secondary school here in Ireland, we studied Yeats, Heaney, Dickinson, Plath, and Larkin.

Reminder that because I am Irish, that is what peak schooling in literature looks like.

>>10027403
Thank God for Heaney.

>>10027386
her use of the em-dash—
cold, wry and knowing—
is unparalled, opie.

legitimately one of the few good women authors i've read. if being cool is all you care about, maybe you should go fuck yourself.

Because if you tell people not to do something they'll want to just to spite you

>>10027370
Gross

>>10027362
I feel like you're not even remotely intelligent enough to be reading this. Stop falling for /lit/ memes.

Is anime inspired by Nabokov or was Nabokov inspired by anime, is the question.

She's a kid and the realm of sex is unknown to her, so she has "sex" with him in a sort of childish way, half-serious in the clumsy way that a kid takes something seriously, half-playful because she doesn't understand the adult gravity of what she's doing. He associates that childishness with the "magic" of nymphs that he loves, and that adult women and mundane adult sex are incapable of.

>>10027326
Humbert Humbert is making excuses. What justifies Lolita's great deal of fluff is the narrator's superficiality. Most of what he thinks and says are either excuses or partially accurate musings because he is void of anything other than shallow passion.

Ward or Smith.

The Aeneid, of course...

The Iliad and Odyssey exalt the nobility of Honor.

The very first word of the Iliad is “RAGE.” The “RAGE” of Achilles when his honor is violated and his rightful prize and love is taken from him by his very own commander.

Right here we see Man versus State, as Achilles is the superior warrior, and as he takes all the risks, he ought get the reward. That is the Natural Law of Zeus, for after Achilles Natural Rights are violated and Achilles quits, Zeus sees to it that the Greeks begin to lose, as Zeus’s will was done.

Long before Atlas Shrugged in Rand’s cheap novel, Achilles quit the Greek army.

Homer shows that women who honor their commitments, like Penelope, lead to happy endings. Women who disregard their commitments, like Helen, lead to War.

Achilles quits for the sake of Honor, refuses to return when offered millions times more prizes, arguing that once honor is taken away, mere money/prizes cannot buy it back. He also reasons that all the wealth in the world is not worth him losing his life in an arena where his honor was taken away. When offered honors and awards, Achilles states, “I receive my honor from Zeus, not from corrupt Kings."

And too Achilles returns to fight for Honor, so as to avenge the death of his friend Patroculus, knowing full well he will die.

Simply put, Achilles is a man who lives and dies not for mere prizes, nor perks, nor tenure, nor titles, nor money, but for honor, and honor alone.

A few hundred years later, Socrates would invoke Achilles while facing death at his own trial. Socrates was offered perks and prizes and life if he would only recant his teachings that “Virtue does not come from money, but money and every lasting good of man derives form virtue.”

But then Socrates asked, “Would Achilles back down from battle if bribed by physical wealth?” Socrates reasoned he would be dishonoring the Great Achilles if he ever recanted his teachings.

And of course Socrates mentored Plato who mentored Aristotle who mentored Copernicus/Newton/Galileo, who gave birth to Western Science and Technology and Freedom, all via the Homeric Honor of Achilles.

>>10027207
Yeah, stuff like this is great. What I want is a book like this. Maybe discussing the themes of the idea of God, man, and beast, homecoming, fate, rage, honor, loyalty, etc.

I hadn't even considered the "Man versus State" interpretation of what he did, but it's great. Of course it's not like I have no thoughts about the themes, or interpretations of the text, but reading other people's opinions is almost always enlightening.

Paranoia in the Laundrette
The Old Man and the Sea
Rashomon
Fear and Loathing

No the info looks accurate.

wtf i just purchased every tao lin book and personally sent him a $500 check

>>10027043
>Lin wakes up
>immediate psyop post on 4chinnychinchinz to make him look like a wacko
hmmmmmm

>>10026984
Congrats sir, I legitimately have no idea if this is bait or not. Cringe.

>>10026984
cool bookmark buddy

>>10026984
You're baiting, right ?

>Sailing to Byzantium
>By William Butler Yeats

I

That is no country for old men. The young
In one another's arms, birds in the trees,
—Those dying generations—at their song,
The salmon-falls, the mackerel-crowded seas,
Fish, flesh, or fowl, commend all summer long
Whatever is begotten, born, and dies.
Caught in that sensual music all neglect
Monuments of unageing intellect.


II

An aged man is but a paltry thing,
A tattered coat upon a stick, unless
Soul clap its hands and sing, and louder sing
For every tatter in its mortal dress,
Nor is there singing school but studying
Monuments of its own magnificence;
And therefore I have sailed the seas and come
To the holy city of Byzantium.


III

O sages standing in God's holy fire
As in the gold mosaic of a wall,
Come from the holy fire, perne in a gyre,
And be the singing-masters of my soul.
Consume my heart away; sick with desire
And fastened to a dying animal
It knows not what it is; and gather me
Into the artifice of eternity.


IV

Once out of nature I shall never take
My bodily form from any natural thing,
But such a form as Grecian goldsmiths make
Of hammered gold and gold enamelling
To keep a drowsy Emperor awake;
Or set upon a golden bough to sing
To lords and ladies of Byzantium
Of what is past, or passing, or to come.

Bright Star -John Keats

>>10026981
You don't "read" a memorized poem OP. You "recite" it.

Try Prufrock boi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHoPmxrJbVY

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Has Mário de Sá-Carneiro been translated?
Really underappreciated guy, Pessoa's more depressed and (successfully) suicidal best friend.

I think sometimes about translating some more or less obscure Portuguese-language poets into english. I'd probably just post them on a blog somewhere. It's a little less exposure to put translations up online for everyone to see, rather than my own poetry, which I've only shown close friends and family so far, and my therapist.

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Ferreira Gullar was one of my favorite living poets until he died last year. Some of his stuff has been translated:

Lesson

Even as you once were open to happiness
open up now to suffering
its fruit
and ardent counterpart.

Even as
you went to the heart
of happiness
lost yourself in it
and in that loss
found yourself
now let sorrow do its work
without lies
without excuses
evaporating in your flesh
every illusion
for life only consumes
what sustains it.

More here: www.antoniomiranda.com.br/poesia_ingles/ferreira_gullar.html

Is that real? Looks like intentionally trying to make yourself ill

>>10026850
iron worship bro

>>10026844
>Raw eggs
>jalapenos AND sriracha
>wanting to shit your pants this badly

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>when she uses the en dash properly and she still succing

>>10026815
Yeah, surprisingly, most people don't see a point in being intentionally rude for no reason.

Shocker.

>>10026815
Wouldn't it be "they," since we're referring to the person and not an object possessed by that single generic person of unspecified gender?

>>10026810
My Immortal is already part of the canon