Do you learn and read for the sake of what you learn and read, /lit/? Does the acquisition of knowledge, culture, and poetic sense make you happy in and of itself? Or do you merely read to impress someone--someone, somewhere, no matter who it is?
>>9436243
>Does the acquisition of knowledge, culture, and poetic sense make you happy in and of itself?
Yes. At least "happier" than most other things in my life.
>>9436243
I like to bask in various artforms and how they have changed throughout the years.
I just need to know that's why I read
where do I start with this guy?
the greeks
why is jung back in vogue?
>>9436157
I mean...do you really want to start with him at all?
If you really do, start with "Man and His Symbols" but only read the part from Jung in it if he's the only one you're interested in.
Psychoanalysis is already kind-of-meh-scienceish, but Jung really just went ape with it and brought it closer to theology in many ways. I still like him a lot, and he's definitely interesting, but, take him with a grain of salt.
Is this worth a summer read?
I'm worried it's going to be overwrought 60s M E S S A G E type sci-fi.
>>9435930
I haven't read it, but i've seen it talked about here before and other anons seemed to enjoy it. That cover is also pretty great.
Wow try not to be so obviously autistic
>>9435930
>I'm worried it's going to be overwrought 60s M E S S A G E type sci-fi.
It is
So I just finished whats out of the Expanse series by James S.A. Corey and am lost with nothing to listen to while I cook. Anyone got any good Audio book recommendations?
The academy series by mcdevitt. John adams by mcullough. The Iliad. I recommend jack l chalker to any sff fan cause he's the best.
>>9435927
Aubrey-Maturin series read by Patrick Tull
TELL ME HOW TO COME UP WITH A FUCKING PLOT
I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE
YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES, IF YOU DON'T DELIVER I WILL GUN THIS PLACE DOWN AND HUNT DOWN YOUR FAMILY
Just tell your life story and change up the names. If that story isn't interesting then you have found the real problem.
>>9435895
There are tons of authors who dont write self referential bs
>Caring so much about the plot
What are some good books that present the argument between virtue ethics, and Utilitarian Ethics? I'm trying to decide on my personal moral position, and I've already rejected Virtue Ethics, (too uber-individualist, and relies largely on cultural norms), Egoism, (only useful to edgy teens, and psychopaths), and Religious Ethics, (atheist). So, I'd really like to see a good argument between these two points, laid out plainly.
virtue ethics is the only thing that makes sense. Aristotle had it down about 2500 years ago. Ethics is not something 'out there'. Cultural norms are something you just have to accept. But you can demand people are consistent. If you realise that most people are hypocrites it's a good theory.
>>9435842
I'm reading ethics right now and unironically modeling a moral code and my behavior on it.
What problems can I expect to run into?
>>9435907
>what problems can I expect to run into?
Nothing much, besides not even thinking of applying e.g. Kantian ethics in 99% of your everyday life, and in the remaining 1% - when you actually contemplate about which moral decision to take - the decisive thought will not be any maxim, but your own sensus communis, the notion of cultivated virtue which renders immediate decision making in the domain of moral possible with more certainty than any theoretical construction could possibly dream of.
also, I'm not the same anon as >>9435842
errybody talkin bout free will nobody thinkin bout free thought
oedipus, pls
yep
I could never hang out with a guy like Dan Bilzerian. He's into a lot of sports, and apparently he plays games too on occasion, which is great, and I am all about tagging as much pussy as you can handle, but what I can't handle is all the "hanging out" and posing and socializing that douches like him do. If you are up for some ACTION — whether it be sports or videogames or pick-up — I am all in; but if all you guys wanna do is hobnob with other boring retards like yourselves I am out and you douches can enjoy yourselves without me, cheers.
Who is Dan Bilzerian and why should anyone give a single flying fuck whether or not you like him
Did you mean to post this on /lit/
>>9435778
Can't help but agree
Is this not the best Pratchett Novel?
Prove me wrong.
BTFO!!!11
Also this.
>>9435770
Mort is the best Pratchett novel outside of Colour of Magic and The Light Fantastic for sure.
If an author wrote a book bitching about a schoolmate and the book is praised and awarded because critics see the story as a metaphor critiquing the pros and cons of the american empire.... would it matter the authors only intentions was to bitch about some kid?
There's an entire industry and acedmy trying to read into stories more than they should.
I suspect most authors play along because they're profiting from it.
Every year the same books are analized thousands of times.
Of course they cant make sense.
What's wrong with some finding profound truth where others can only see petty bickering?
>>9435609
>profound truth
>biased political reading of a nonpolitical work
>profound
>truth
Stop being a fag
Is it about time we retired the "start with le greeks" meme?
Fact: modern men are smarter and more knowledgable than a bunch of barely sentient savages 2500 years ago ever were
Fact: digital technology and Internet gave a skyrockering boost to the rates of education
Fact: average highschooler these days is smarter than Plato and Socrates combined
Stop worshipping ancient fools who couldn't invent toilet paper to wipe their pederast asses.
>>9435508
>people will respond to this as if the OP was serious
>OP will now claim he is serious to ensure replies from people who believe he is serious
Stop shitting up this board
>>9435508
>that filename
>>9435508
On the contrary, I cannot believe people actually read Nietzsche without first starting with the Greeks.
que a hundred undergrads angrily replying to this post because they jumped into zarathustra in high school without any philosophical context and desperately wish to believe they understood it
It took me four hours to read Aristotle's 21-page "On Interpretation", and I still feel like I don't understand it completely. I'm trying to get through the Organon.
Now, be honest with me, am I retarded?
Not at all. People flex on here as if the object of reading is to read quickly, and as if they can all do it, but a really good book probably takes years to read.
>>9435312
>organon
dude, i feel you. particularly because my edition (great books of the western world) is so poorly formatted, i could not read the organon for the life of me.
i'm telling myself it's sour grapes and that i probably now more logic than aristotle did while i fuck off to "metaphysics" and "politics".
>>9435312
Nah, this means that you have a good grasp of what you're reading. Some books can be swallowed in one bite, others need to be chewed, and some need to be digested. Adler and Van Doren argue that only a competent reader can realize how little they understand. Read it a second and even a third time over.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Read_a_Book
Anybody ever read this? Is it any good?
Also Self Help General I guess
Looks interesting, might check it out.
just finished Mindfulness for Borderline Personality Disorder and found that despite the sum of my behaviors resembling BPD, I do not think I have it.. the mindfulness practice steps seemed too brief, and disconnected from what I'm feeling... Next step is reading some self-help on codependency issues..
>>9435249
From what I've heard it's pretty good but I've always had trouble actually learning to meditate and mindfulness etc
>despite the sum of my behaviors resembling BPD, I do not think I have it
I had to work through pic related due to some BPD stuff and honestly, I didn't find it too helpful. Maybe I am just close minded but I didn't feel like it applied to me? They diagnosed me with it because of some behaviors but I don't see it
let me help you
This was by far Dave's best work. It's like he finally gave up the big act that he had been putting on his entire life and just wrote and poured everything he had out onto it. Not just Good Old Neon, but The Soul is not a Smithy, Mr. Squishy, and most of the other stories including the namesake Oblivion, were painful and honest. I really do respect the man after reading this. He tried his best with what he got, I think we can all give him that.
i think the pale king is slightly better because most of these stories aren't very unfulfilling in the end, but it's definitely his best story collection that's for sure.
>>9434874
i really do think that all of David's work pre-hideous men (and even that you can tell was rushed with some of the meaningless pretentious stories) was sort of premature. He didn't really grow up until he was 40 it seemed, which is ironic because he often spoke of his regret at being published at 25.
Broom is a shitshow of bad plotting, Girl with curious hair is mostly just pretentious, and Infinite Jest is just trying so hard to be more serious than it was.
>>9434867
I agree. Some parts of the Pale King are better, but Oblivion is complete. I think the Suffering Channel is the best story. He is really good at making modern life seem really depressing
I've been rewriting short stories of other authors. Started with Carver, borrowed a few from Paley, Joyce, and Moore. Do you ever do this, anon? Any favorites or suggestions?
Why would you do such a thing? There's a tradition in rewriting folks tales and legends (like Greek myths, the Faust story etc) but original works are kept as they are.
>I've been rewriting short stories of other authors.
>>9434826
it's been done thousands of times already.
and as if any of those original works weren't already based on other stories...
i think it's actually good practice.