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>If you gonna read some damn books you gotta make it look sexy!

/lit/ how sexy are you?
Pics only. Thanks.
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>>9436462
I'm like a 4/10
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>>9436467
are you the tree? you're at least a 5/10. don't let daphne ruin the curve, not all trees can be chased by apollo.
>>9436462
i said something foolish about logos and now only exist in text form, sorry, tree/creepy tree collector.
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>>9436474
Lmao. What?

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Has anyone here read pic related? For those who haven't (, at the expense of those who have) it's a series of correspondence over a year-long period centered during a particularly revolutionary time in the United State's history between the author and characters from his preceding 7 novels.

It is far and away the most challenging book I've ever read. In terms of difficulty it easily eclipses 'Gravity's Rainbow', 'Ada', 'Infinite Jest', 'The Recognitions', and lots of other """Hard""" books I've read.

What did those of you who've read it think about it? It's taking me a while to read it cause I need to be paying so close attention. I find the A.B.C.5 chapters particularly challenging. Where does this rank among Barth's other books? Did you think it was worth the cognitive and temporal investment?
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>>9436415
What makes it so hard?
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>>9436415
Im reading the books leading up to it. Should be done in a year or two senpaitachi.
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>>9436418
Probably the fact he hasnt read the 7 previous books

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I started reading Hitler. His writing is pretty bad, but I get what he's saying. I like how he speaks in 2nd person. Are the Jews really that awful?
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>>9436382
>be homeless mentally ill vagrant in Vienna
>decide to get interested in politics
>argue with other homeless vagrants on the streets who happen to be Jewish
>they don't agree with you
The rest is history
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Yeah pretty much to be honest. People go off the deep end turning it into a reptilian conspiracy but they are generally chauvinistic, selfish, greedy, self-absorbed, lousy people who don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

t. Jew
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>>9436389
t. LARPer from /pol/

Kill yourself stormnigger

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> A Perfect Vacuum is a 1971 book by Polish author Stanisław Lem, the largest and best known collection of Stanislaw Lem's fictitious criticism of nonexisting books. The book contains reviews of 16 imaginary books and one real book: itself.

Post a non-existing book title and review it in 3-4 sentences.
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>>9436370
I imagine /lit/ will be pretty good at this since most posters here talk about books that they haven't actually read.
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>>9436370
Color Garden (2013)

Mavis Goodhew's tragic retelling of six American classics in Chicago's Sherman Park illuminate the desperation and isolation of urban life, and lay bare the veins of the mid-western heart. 21st century negroes and whites share her scorn, condemned but not accused. Her prose reminds us how far our laws have come, and how far we have to go.

"FREE MUMIA" - anonymous

"If if if if if if" - President Barack Obama

>>9436374
kek
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The Wooden Nickel, By R.R.Harrington. An old man visits an arcade he frequented in his youth only to discover that it never existed. This leads him on a journey of self discovery as he unravels his entire life history that did not happen in reality. Set in near future, the Protagonist, Oliver Manetta struggles to make sense of his world of false memories and people he never really new. The shocking discoveries and unfathomable despair grow with ever page. When you finish this book you will either put I in a recycling bin or ater your entire life to avoid remembering things wrong. Much like the experience of Oliver, either way, true or false, it wont matter. He murders a guy in chapter 9. Spoiler alert. Oh sorry. Anyway. I give it 2 out of an undefined number of stars.

What is the best place to read erotic literature other than asstr?
Please no literotica or other vanilla sites
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>>9436356
Just watch porn.
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8-1chan has an /elit/ board, but it's pretty dead.
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Transformation Story Archives
mcstories

Does /lit/ enjoy John Steinbeck or is he too basic for all of the patricians here?
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I like The Pearl, Of Mice and Men and Travels With Charley. My dad really likes Winter of Our Discontent.
It's pretty easy to call him basic, but he's still a comfy read.
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My favourite writer desu
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Of Mice and Men was good ... been meaning to read East of Eden and re-read Grapes of Wrath

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So... Love is touching little boys?
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sage but just in case anyone is clicking this thread:

Please read Symposium.
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No it's being a sphere person you illiterate mong
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>>9436297
Socrates displays his virtue by not actually fucking his beloved Alcibiades, much to the horny consternation of the latter. It's right there near the end of the dialogue. Read the Symposium, though, it's lovely.

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ITT: shit that pisses you off in books
Ill start:
When the book gets a movie adaptation and they use the movie art as the new book cover
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Forewords
Chapter summaries
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Books with really long chapters only split up by those triple asterik things. It means they should be new chapters or that the writer is shit at pacing.
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>>9437283
Oftentimes it means there was supposed to be a line break, but that break fell at the end of a page where it would have been invisible.

t. proofreader

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"The global ridicule in which the works of Foucault, Lacan, Derrida and Deleuze had suddenly foundered, after decades of inane reverence, far from leaving the field clear for new ideas, simply heaped contempt on all those intellectuals active in the 'human sciences.' The rise to dominance of scientists in all fields of thought became inevitable."
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>>9436208
It's their own fault for straying from the anti-anti-metaphysical analytic methodology laid out by Quine. You can still have your feels and rejections of naturalism in philosophy without being a total fucking hack
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>>9436208
> tfw you like Derrida, Foucault, Deleuze and Lacan even if you don't agree with everything they say
> tfw you believe philosophy still has a place in the world and cannot be reduced to art or science
> tfw you wish intellectuals would still be treated like superstars, it's at least better than wannabe pop scientists
> tfw the only thing close to a philosophical superstar is either an anarcho-syndicalist mummy that can barely speak or a clown *sniff* and so on and so on
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>>9436363
Land will break out in ~5 years

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https://www.gwern.net/Culture%20is%20not%20about%20Esthetics

Suppose we all have 100 apples. Our lives do not revolve around apples, though we like them well enough. But still, 100 is too many; even if we ate 5 a day, the rest would go bad before we ate them. And of course, it’s unlikely that any of us will go to the greengrocers and buy more. Our marginal utility of apples has plunged to zero.

From our perspective, the farmer bringing a truck of apples to the greengrocers has wasted his labor. Let’s hope he’ll find something to do with those surplus apples so the resources that went into making them were not wasted - maybe bake some apple pies, or compost them all.

Now suppose this wasn’t a one-time gift. We live in a magic world where everyone gets 100 apples a week. Here the farmer’s entire career is wasted. Isn’t he wasting his life? He’s a smart fellow; no reason he couldn’t go do something more useful.

We could invent ways to employ this farmer. Perhaps every week he breaks into everybody’s kitchens and steals their apples so they have to buy apples from him. Perhaps he’ll run a large marketing campaign to convince everyone that his apples are superior to the magical apples. Perhaps some people get Granny Smith but really wanted Red Delicious, and he runs an apple-trading hub, filling in deficits with his apples. Perhaps he lives on government subsidy checks & farms apples as a hobby. Or something.

But nevertheless, these apple-farmers represent a dead-weight loss. That’s bad.

Now, can we apply this analogy? I don’t have 100 apples, but perhaps I have - 100 novels.

Not any novels, but science fiction novels. Nor any 100 Sci-Fi novels, but the winners of the 2 most prestigious SF awards for the last 50 years: the Hugo and Nebula Awards.
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>>9436206

Suppose I read the 100 at the rate of 1 a week, or 52 a year. I will finish them in ~2 years.

It will take an appreciable fraction of my life to read a vanishingly small fraction of one small fiction genre, that itself has existed for less than 2 centuries and been written almost exclusively in 2 countries.

And what if I want to read the prequels and sequels? Not all winners are as prolific in sequels & prequels as Dune, but these winners include many duologies and trilogies (or more). I can probably expect to lose another 2 or 6 years to them. Certainly, I can expect it to take another 4 years to read the 2 top runner-ups for each award. And did I mention that these awards have multiple categories? Many of SF’s greatest works are short stories or novellas, which compete for different Nebula & Hugo awards.

The list is now 8 years in length; if the SF industry had imploded the day I started, I would not have noticed.

I would be better off, actually, if the industry did implode! The last SF or Fantasy I read was Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn trilogy. It was good, but I know there are better. My reading time is finite, and reading Mistborn pushed out reading Gene Wolfe’s Book of the Long Sun tetralogy - which I ultimately enjoyed more. If the industry had imploded before Mistborn was published, I would have read Long Sun instead.

It wouldn’t be difficult to spend the rest of my life reading only SF published before 2009, and it would be more efficient as time is the keenest critic.

But reading only SF is impoverishing. I always wanted to get into mysteries and French literature. But those will take at least 2 decades. Now I’m in my 50s. I’d better hurry if I ever want to read English or Chinese literature, or any nonfiction!

So, why do I care what happens to the SF market? How does it concern me that the short story magazines are collapsing and will train no new writers? I have no need of them. I already have 100 apples.
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>>9436206
>>9436210

What if I said you don't have to read every award winning book in a genre, only those which interest you?

By the way, you probably have autism.
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>>9436257
I didn't write this; Gwern did. Also, every rationalist is used to being called autistic, so, that won’t really work.

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There's no point in writing. Statistically your book will simply not stand out. Only a small fraction of any art is memorable or even interesting. This is especially true to the mediums of literature and music.

In fact, most people are flat out retards when it comes to writing. They weren't born with an intuitive creativity and sense of pacing that cannot be developed.

All the people here who think they're the next DFW or Pynchon are in for a rude awakening.
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>>9436178
>writing books to become famous
nice meme
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>writing to be the next DFW or Pynchon
The best stories are ones the author wants to tell, not ones the author wants others to love. Many great authors have both qualities but if you lack the first one youre shit.
Its called artistic vision faggot
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>>9436209
>>9436212
Reading comprehension

I'm saying there is logically a very small chance your artistic vision is original or interesting

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> Read a CYOA book as a child
> Never choose the good ending on the first try
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>>9436158
>>>/sffg/ or >>>/out/

Pick one
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>read visual novel
>it's impossible to get the good ending the first time around
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>>9436158
It's a metaphor for your life

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What was the author trying to convey with this book?
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>>9436155
>What was the author trying to convey

a. self-insert character is tall, dark, handsome
b. fuck yea this grown-up little girl is hot
c. the author's delusion destroys the world
d. all of the above
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>>9436155
That beautiful prose style can get you to feel sympathy for a hebephile.
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>>9436155
That there's an innate tragic element to falling in love, since we can't crystallize that perfect image we have of a person, can't keep them that way forever, and can't ever fully realize our need for something sublime and transcendent in our lives.

It's Humbert's attempt to capture Dolores (pin the butterfly, as it were) in a way that renders their love story emotionally fulfilling and orderly and formally balanced, which is exactly how we want our real lives to work. The poignancy comes in where the mask falls away, and we realize that we really don't get what we want in this regard, and can't ever.

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Why did it never explain how he turned into a bug? Does it just not matter?
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he explained it in the dvd commentary
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>>9436115
Because it's irrelevant. Also, it adds to the horror.
Seriously, if you don't understand that it doesn't matter, read some commentary on it to get a grasp. Google "kafkaesque"
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>>9436115
The book only makes sense when you realize that his bug transformation is a descent into depression caused by modernity and industrialism

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Okay, I will start with the Greeks. Can someone post a flowchart or something?
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Take this and don't come back
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>>9436098
That's cruel, giving him the worst chart.

Bubbi, just start with Homer and then roughly follow this catalogue (not necessarily the actual books they're selling, just the authors).

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/features/loeb/timeline.html
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>>9436096

Or this:

http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html

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