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Humor has a shelf life. I'm sure it was very funny when it was written.

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>>9442790
It's perfectly rated.
Good book for teens and the immature 20somethigns, as it pushes one to think a little more while amusing.

>>9442796
This. It's very much a product of its time and place. Unless you grew up in the English Home Counties in the 1980s (and ideally, your father was a stockbroker), it's probably not for you

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There are two routes in front of you. The sociology route and the philosophy route. But... there's always a third path.
Society is, after all, nothing more than a sum of individuals.

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Well that's a lot of sociology books. Can you be more specific?

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>>9442672
>Cover illustration: Stuck in a land of dicks and wishing to escape through the vaginal-moon

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Posted this in the other thread but whatevs

>>9442600
I was looking at Vico in the store yesterday, seemed interesting. What exactly is it about? Something about birth of cultures or something?

>>9442666
Something along those lines. I'm not sure honestly. I just know he was influential on Marx, Hegel, Herder, Humanities in general etc...

I haven't got around to Jung and only a little Nietzsche. QQ

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happy about the red and black, saw it in a non thrift store for about $15 the other week and thought about getting it but patience worked out for 2.99

>>9442578
Hey, remember the last gr thread where it turned out google bots were feeding our posts to a puppet forum?

>>9442586
Really? I had no idea.

I only made this thread cos I like seeing what everyone is reading.

>>9442578
>post all your personal info so it can remain on phishing scam site for life

>>9442471
>just got the book series
>what am I getting myself into with this book series

>>9442471
"Every conversation is exposition" the book.

>>9442402
His timeline is wrong, the human race is probably viable for another one or two centuries, but there's no way technology is going to bail us out in time.

>>9442402
I haven't read it, but I guarantee it's pure speculation at best. Not to suggest that climate change and lowered oil production aren't issues, because they certainly are.

>>9442464
I sort of subscribe to this view but at the same time there is promising research going on and steps are slowly being taken in the right direction. Impossible to say what the future holds.

As a rule of thumb, if the cover of a book has quotes explaining why you should read it, it's not something you should probably spend your time on.
>"A tour de force, absolute must read - Salon.com"

>>9442401
That's the wrong translation from Irish, find a different version.

w2c

>>9442406
You jest, but the format of Ulysses is important and some versions ignore that.

>>9442326
You really can't discuss a work of literature without spouting buzzwords and the use of infantile capitals? I think you need to work on yourself first, and not blame a book.

>>9442326
Camus's solution is better outlined in his essays included in the Myth of Sisyphus - it's not a revolutionary concept at all, simply an analysis of the conflict between subjective meaning and objective meaninglessness, with a celebration of the sensual pleasures and confusion of life. It hinges on the idea of rebellion and freedom, that humans find meaning in spite, and even, to spite an uncaring world. It's emotional, not logical.

However, The Stranger is a lot more subtle than most anons give credit here. For Camus, his primary focus in a lot of his works is on the apathetic nature of suffering and death. So, for The Plague, it's a sickness that seems to destroy and affect people's lives at random and comes and goes with no human influence. I think, in The Stranger, Meursault is the embodiment of that absurd reaper. Never does he preform anything for a particularly human reason. He acts almost on impulse and chance, with no real meditation. When he fucks, he does it without love. When he kills, he does it from the heat. He makes friends because they are there, with no regard for even their own internal lives. Meursault sees a world so lacking in meaning that he finds no meaning in himself, and behaves like an automaton, like the world itself. And if it was just this, the book would be bad.

But there's a great character development in his interactions with the priest and the judge. They make him aware of society's fear of apathy and destruction (which are his only two real character traits) and he begins to see both the hypocrisy and value of humanity in the meaningless world he is similar to. When the Priest talks about saving his soul, he reaches his only point of actual fury -- how could anyone be saved in an unsaved world? What does any of it matter in death? He calls him a corpse. This is the only piece of character development Merusault ever reaches, but its his evolution from nihilism to absurdism. Up until then, his attitude had always been like the world's: unmoving and constant as the sun that blinded him at the beach. But he realizes, and I think this is why the idea of the metaphorical reaper comes in, that he is uniquely of the world. He looks up at the benign indifference of the stars and he sees a brother and knows his life was happiness because he lived honestly. I think, by the title, which could be read as "The Alien" he finds comradeship there. Meursault is like a different species of man. And he realises, finally, that the anger and fear that people feel towards him will never be fully shared by him, but his taste of it awakens how he sees others must live. He hopes people are furious at his death, because he sees that their emotional outbursts to him are the same emotional outbursts at the brotherly stars and suns that kill us all at random. Merusault, in his prison cell, realizes the value of a race he will never be - and it is the absurd: meaning found in the meaningless.

>>9442420
Effectively, anon, you could read Meursualt as a Christ figure, who acknowledges his superior moral knowledge of the world and accepts that men like him must die as a catalyst for those who are incapable of living without any meaning.

"It was as if that great rush of anger had washed me clean, emptied me of hope,
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Albert Camus THE STRANGER
and, gazing up at the dark sky spangled with its signs and stars, for the first time, the
first, I laid my heart open to the benign indifference of the universe. To feel it so like
myself, indeed, so brotherly, made me realize that I’d been happy, and that I was
happy still. For all to be accomplished, for me to feel less lonely, all that remained to
hope was that on the day of my execution there should be a huge crowd of spectators
and that they should greet me with howls of execration."

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Also, I think Camus gets a hard rap with a lot of philosophy students. As a philosopher he's nothing novel, but honest and simple. But as a writer, I think, he is fantastic.

you're like a little baby, old man. watch this:

>>9442324
So...that's the power of not reading Plato.

>>9442324
>pulls out three books
>gives a smug scoff
>tap my coat pocket where i have a fourth book

Anglos are dumb

>>9442276
Well, how else would you pronounce it?

>>9442336
As an x

Orin was just too busy chasing tail and having mental breakdowns to know what the fuck was going on. Daddy Stork was the real mastermind, and everybody's already dead.

>>9442177

Orin stole the master copy from his father’s grave and was the one who distributed to his J.O.I’s enemies tho. He’s the one behind the dissemination.

>>9442169

Why was Gottfried in the rocket?

Your prof has asked you a bad question, anon.

1. Their critique of the culture industry includes not only Dialectic of Enlightenment but The Culture Industry as well.

2. While Hegel and Marx are certainly germane to both works, the former especially for Dialectic of Englightenment, both men had more strictly philosophical works: Negative Dialectics for Adorno and Eclipse of Reason for Horkheimer.

He steps outside of sociology by wanting it to be so self-critical as to deliberately avoid using the ordinary person's language (which, as we all know, can only be a machination of capitalism's ideologues and the dominant class...), as well as never missing an opportunity to shut up about utopia.

He cannot be anything BUT a philosopher, of the normative kind, as his whole work isn't simply to understand culture and the industry thereof, he wants to change it.

>"Dr Adorno, would you mind a personal question?". I said, "It depends on the question, but just go ahead", and she went on: "Please tell me: are you an extrovert or an introvert?". It was as if she, as a living being, already thought according to the model of multi-choice questions in questionnaires.

>>9442153
>>9442153
I assume the focus for such a question would be on "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception" section, no?

I guess it doesn't matter if there are more "strictly" philosophical works of Adorno, since the question asks this only in regard to one section of the book. But it might be worth mentioning other works of his in the end. Thanks.

>>9442158
>He cannot be anything BUT a philosopher, of the normative kind, as his whole work isn't simply to understand culture and the industry thereof, he wants to change it.
This is very helpful as a starting point, I can work by supporting this claim throughout the essay. How would I use his culture industry section to support that? What are some of the more "abstract" philosophical issues examined in the culture industry critique section that he wants to change??

>He steps outside of sociology by wanting it to be so self-critical as to deliberately avoid using the ordinary person's language
Could you clarify this further? I don't think I understand it.

>>9442093
You're teaching people to speak English?

>>9442144
My grammar units are for the reading remediation class I'm assigned to.

i teach numales how to be a real man

>>9442047
Shit thread.
Saged.

>>9442060
No it isn't

>>9442047
>too primitive grammar
Implying this is a bad thing.
>very little suffixes
Suffixes are for the weak.
>fixed syntax
Like most languages.

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EXACTLY my issue
have a bump

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>>9442008
There's a sticky at the top of the board with URLs to a page that lists books that are accessible and enjoyed by many on this board. I think there's also charts available with one of the URLs, you really should have a look at the sticky before continuing really (nothing to enforce you to do so really, but it just helps keep the board a bit clearer, albeit we do get shitposters here so maybe take this suggestion with a pinch of salt).

If you're not sure what your preferences would be, you could always try some of the easily accessible classics and see where that leads you:

The Great Gatsby, 1984, Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, Death of a Salesman, Hamlet, The Metamorphosis, The Sailor Who Fell From Grace With The Sea, A Study in Scarlet, Lolita, etc. Maybe you covered some of these in an english class or something? They're pretty accessible and widely accepted as classics, even if the contrarians on here may disagree.

If you want some more contemporary books that are highly regarded, maybe try: American Psycho, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time, The Road, In The Miso Soup, Submission, etc. Some of these choices may seem a little "pleb" to /lit/ regulars but they are very accessible and have received positive praise. They may help sink you into reading.

I also tend to enjoy graphic novels myself if I want something to ease with but also something to read (Watchmen, Uzumaki, Tomie, Maus, Seconds, etc).

If you struggle to read for a long time, try shutting down distractions like TV or the PC and sit in a quiet room, maybe with music if it isn't too distracting. If the book is good enough you'll probably be fine with it. Also don't force yourself to read too much - sometimes it's mentally exhausting, especially if you haven't read much and you plunge into a book that feels more challenging than you're used to. Just try to take the book slowly, at a pace you're comfortable with comprehending at.

Also it's not a competition or a race: if you don't like the book, that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to finish it if it's really insufferable.

After reading for a while, your vocabulary may improve, along with your punctuation, memory, articulation. On top of this, you're less likely to suffer from alzheimers or dementia if you read frequently (not that you'd be immune or anything, but it's good to know that it you're less likely to affected by it).

After a while, you'll be comfortable discussing these books and tackling more difficult works. Until then, take it easy and read what you enjoy. If you like the books mentioned above or in the sticky, check out the writers and books that influenced those works, and the works that influenced those influences, etc.

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>>9442008
Dorothy is best girl.
A potrait of an Artist is my favorite book.