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>>9471943
It's not clear. Our sources are secondhand so we don't know what Thales actually claimed. Aristotle reports that he identified the "arche" with water. Pretty much all of our info on Thales is highly suspect.

>>9471963
The book on pre-Socratics that I read claimed that anything Aristotle said of other philosophers is warped because he was only able to view things through his own philosophy (in this case, hylomorphism), rather than objectively.

The presocratics were looking for the underlying principle of matter and reality. They also wrote in allegorical and poetic styles, not prose treatises on science, and half of them are semi-mythical. It's all really confused and confusing. We're getting a received tradition of commenting on the 5th and 4th century COLLATIONS of an equally received tradition, of "Solon" and "Thales" being legendary sages and having hundreds of little tales and anonymous works attributed to them by the Greek imagination.

The basic narrative is that you get a progression from simpler explanations of the arche to the full-blown philosophical systems of the 5th and 4th century, chiefly Plato and Aristotle. Thales thought all matter was just varying stages of one underlying fluid, water, which was ductile and labile enough to take any form you see. Others thought it was actually air rarefying and condensing to form even water and the other elements. Then you get more abstruse and interesting things like "all is flux" or "all flux is mere illusion," the atomism of Democritus or the "nous" of Anaxagoras, etc. The standard narrative condenses ten levels of chaotic post hoc rationalisation of hundreds of years of metaphysical-poetical speculation into a series of propositions with mouthpieces to speak them.

>>9471934
Continue on to East of Eden

Check out Germinal at some point.

>>9471934
The movie was better.

>>9471923
Don Quixote and Brothers Karamazov come to mind.

What to do when you are consumed by the darkness?

the bell allegory is straight outta schiller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_Bell

In most religions with an afterlife this is the case, in others you do what the religion considers good actions out of obedience

>>9471911

on the topic of religion it is for the most part a social construct of humanity; so no it does not give you an entitlement to something if you adhere to it's principles and guidelines on how to live your life

just because i believe the earth will eventually be inhabited by genetically mutated mole people who adapt to life underground by using sonar and a sense of smell, doesn't mean that dumping thousands of tons of packable soil in my yard for them to construct a dirt empire is morally justified

>>9471911

Pleb tier interpretation of religion, and not /lit/.

>When I ran outside everything was clear. Nothing was there but my backyard and street.

>I walked back inside and everything was normal. What had just happened? The high pitch noise was still going but no one questioned it.

>I walked into my backyard and opened a gate in my yard. Suddenly, two people grabbed me, "We are the dark spirits, the forgotten ones." Said the one on my left.

>I managed to escape but now their were five in my backyard, two of them looked like the ones that grabbed me, one of them looked like the girl that crawled around the corner, and one looked strangely like someone I knew.

>They had changed my whole house and backyard, it was all purple with orange splattered in places.

>I ran through the gate in my backyard and I blacked out.
>cont.

>I woke up in my old school, I was at my locker. I asked a teacher what the date was and she said 13, May, 2015.

>What? It was September a few hours ago and now it's May? How is this possible.

>I went up to a group that I would hang out with in the future and a few of them were new kids that had joined my school this year. I was friends with them in the future but not sure if I was with them now.

>"Hey, I don't know if you know me, but I can help you all." I said to the group and pointed to two kids in my group, "You are going to be best friends when you get older."

>"Oh, okay." He replied. They were confused but one of the kids had a twin. This wasn't how it should've been. But they must've thought I was insane.

>I was starting to wish at this point that I had remembered the lottery numbers. That was really getting on my nerves.
>cont.

>I waited out the rest of my time until September. Me and my family have started going crazy about the back in time theory, so much that we visited our old house.

>Someone that looked like someone I knew was inside the house. I didn't want to scare him so I didn't show my face. He ran away so I did as well. I told my sister to walk around the corner to see if the coast was clear, as we were trying to find out how to time travel.

>My sister came back to me and said there was a kid but he ran back inside. This all sounded strangely familiar.

>We read somewhere that if we coloured a plot of land two colours and two colours only, we could travel in time. So we did that.

>I told my parents that we couldn't let anyone find out what we were doing and so that no one could tell anyone anything. I also told them to scare whoever to the point of fainting.

>They carried the kid but he managed to black out. They just left him there.

>Could it be? I was the one at the window? My sister was the one crawling around the corner? My parents were the ones that sent young me back in time? Or could I be going crazy? The plot of land expanded and eventually created a worm hole. Everyone and everything was sucked into it.
>the end

>one of them responded

Jelly desu

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>submitting a finish text to a publisher

>>9471599
call him an oven dodger

I don't remember this. What chapter?

>>9471895

Chapter two moby dick, pic unrelated

>>9471565
Maybe Maylbel didnt like negroes (understandably so)

>>9471477
Its pretty great. If you can step away from modern identity politics and left-right paradigms, the story is a deeply cynical one of man's total indifference to the suffering of his fellow man in the face of self gain. Not to mention it is exquisitely researched, the bibliography in and of itself is a treasure.

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>>9471495
>If you can step away from modern identity politics and left-right paradigms

>>9471495
Holy shit, a decent book recommendation on /lit/

>things than never happen

>>9471462
fuck you it did happen. happened in Boston, libcuck city

>>9471519
Why are you so easily triggered? Just put the paper in the bin and walk away.

Go to bed early, wake up early and write in the morning.

Patrick Kavenagh worked full time as a farmer which he hated, he worked evenings in between being called out for odd jobs. When he did move to Dublin and took a more bourgeois lifestyle, his work was undoubtably poorer for it

>>9471452

>coming back home with him, grabbing a beer and food with him

At this point: go to a coffee shop and knock some writing out some days instead. You're not in Mad Men.

>>9471398
in what sense? right-wing critic of american foreign policy? right-wing public intellectual? right-wing linguist?

henry kissinger, probably

Ayn Rand

>Pseud
>Wrote a bunch of shit not worth reading
>Shit ideology
>Only mentioned by brainlets

curious bump

Nine Stories by Salinger

>>9471379
normies made me never want to read 1984

psychedelics

>>9471350
But what if someone's limited knowledge by way of ideology also prevents them from taking the medicine? I'm hoping for some less invasive options.

>>9471350
this

wow what a jerk, I thought he was a nice guy after reading his books

>>9471198

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTLmg1JqyYs
see minute 5.33

http://machines.plannedobsolescence.net/dfwwiki/index.php?title=Gerhardt_Schtitt
http://machines.plannedobsolescence.net/dfwwiki/index.php?title=Gerhardt_Schtitt

>>9471198
that would be prescriptivism, not descriptivism. so no.

>>9471041
Sure but thats what makes it so great

Platonism is the opposite of phenomenology you horsefucker

Platonism discovers the ding an sich and regards the phainomenon of its appearance as ephemeral and merely significatory of the Sache, phenomenology preserves ALL phainomena as the essence of being

>>9472525

this is really clunky. platonism and phenomenology are opposed to one another but you should reconsider how intentionality accomplishes that