What is the best way to read older texts/translations, where the English is a bit harder to read?
For example, I want to read some of Shakespeare's plays, but the English can be a bit confusing. I've only read Romeo & Juliet and Macbeth in school, but there are plenty more that I think I should know.
Do you recommend getting publications with good annotations? Or just read Cliff's Notes afterwards? Are there ways to train yourself to be able to read these kinds of texts?
>>9548520
Any suggestions?
>>9548520
Get one with annotations. You'll be good without them after reading 2 or 3 plays.
Practice. Slow down and pay attention. Read aloud if it helps.
Father's Day is coming up soon and I went out and bought a few books for my father. He really likes poetry and other scholarly types. Just want to ask of these are good books for him.
Also if you're getting something for your father aswell you're welcome to share it.
>>9548067
My dad really likes world war history, especially the 2nd one. He's not much of a reader but i wanted to get him some literature that he would enjoy.
Does anyone have recommendations?
>>9548168
The rise and fall of the third Reich. Although it is an extremely thick book.
>>9548067
Gross dude, what the fuck is that? "A Literary Classic" stamped on the front in fucking Word script font. Yeah I know it's a classic already dipshit, that's why I'm fucking buying it. Who thought that was a good idea? That shit looks like it'd be glued onto a shelf in a motel room.
Recently I wanted to read the new testament but I want to read an edition with explanations or interpretations. What should I pick up? any recommended edition?
Also I have the old testament and I wondered what parts from it are in the new one, is it all the Torah books and then we proceed to the stories about Jesus? forgive my ignorance, I'm really curious about Christianity lately and would like some help.
Depends on what you want out of it or what you are looking for
>>9548003
I want to enjoy the story I can say. I don't really care much about the more religious aspect, but more about the stories themselves.
I would like interpretations about some of the stories or the characters as a side notes because I find it interesting. I learned bible at school (Jewish bible) and we would learn interpretations about the stories and the experience was more "complete" with it, much better then to just read the whole thing in my opinion.
>>9548033
Do you care for poetic form? If so, KJV
If not, I don't know :)
I like Catcher in The Rye the best, but A Perfect Day For Bananafish is also good, even though I don't understand it.
>>9547921
Spoilers etc.
>Seymour Glass has a severe case of PTSD(as did Salinger)
>He's on vacation with his shallow and self-absorbed wife.
>she's on the phone with her mother who insists he needs a psychiatrist but she disagrees because she's a spiritually passive adult
>Jump to Seymour laying on the beach
>First thing he does when we see him is self-consciously put his hand on his robe. He does this multiple times, but it isn't insecurity about his body- he has no problem with taking off the robe to get in the water. It's a spiritual vulnerability, something that's always on his mind.
>Him and Sybil chat and it's a very Catcher in the Rye dynamic- an intergenerational miscommunication. it's also God-tier dialogue.
>We meet Seymour for the first time and he's surprisingly childish, innocent, and charismatic. He's just a big kid, but he can't hide how clever and genuinely intelligent he is. He's an adult but he's trying very hard not to be. This could be why he's alone on the beach away from his wife.
>Then there's a some of literally the best dialogue I've ever read making a bunch of implications about their characters that I'm not gonna get into
>Then Seymour talks about bananafish
>Bananafish are representative of humans. "Their habits are very peculiar".
>They like to swim into a hole that's full of bananas, and they looked like ordinary fish when they swim in but then they go crazy when they eat the bananas and eat so much they can't get out of the hole. Then, stuck in the hole, they get banana fever and die.
>The bananas are representative of objects of desire. Money, status, etc. Adult things.
>Seymour sees adults grow up and kill themselves, engorged on their own greed. His PTSD allowed him to see a loss of innocence but took away his ability to cope with it.
>They swim around, Seymour is playful. He kisses her foot but it's affectionate and not some pedo shit.
>They leave, he gets in the hotel elevator and a woman stares at his feet for a second
>He mentions it and she denies that she's looking at his feet
>He snaps on her for lying because he didn't care in the first place but now she's lying to him about it
>This is representative of Seymour floating between childlike innocence and Adult behavior. The woman lied to him over something he saw as harmless- because she thought it was detrimental to her social standing to do something odd, she has "banana fever" because she's traded honesty for status.
>Seymour goes to his room where his wife is laying in bed with her back to him as it always is metaphorically
>he gets his pistol, sits on the bed facing his wife, and shoots himself.
>He knew that he too had "banana fever", but his was spiritual. If you read Franny and Zooey, his younger siblings mention that people can be greedy for spiritual things: peace, humility, goodwill, same as money or whatever else. Seymour was greedy for innocence and killed himself because he could never get it back, he was stuck in a hole.
>>9548102
Huh. Nice analysis. I actually thought he was a pedophile who killed himself because of the sadness of his condition and his inability to find love that satisfies him the first time I read it. Your explanation makes more sense.
the laughing man and uncle wiggily in conneticuit are his best stories especially wiggily
For you, who are the most intelligent philosophers?
Definitely Foucault
Kant is a big guy.
>>9542404
with the greeks sweetie
>>9542404
Greeks>Descartes>Hume>Kant>Schopenhauer>Nietzsche
>>9542404
Thales
When, long ago, the gods created Earth
In Jove's fair image Man was shaped at birth.
The beasts for lesser parts were next designed;
Yet were they too remote from humankind.
To fill the gap, and join the rest to Man,
Th'Olympian host conceiv'd a clever plan.
A beast they wrought, in semi-human figure,
Filled it with vice, and called the thing a Nigger.
- H.P. Lovecraft, 1912
Source: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_the_Creation_of_Niggers
are you 14?
i'd read lovecraft was racist but this is just comically racist
>>9554691
Yeah, honestly I'm not bothered nor entertained by this type of stuff usually, but it was just so shocking I felt like I had to share
>girl / nu male raises their hand in class
>"uhm, yeah, i think Nick is like gay for heteronormative Gatsby"
>>9554541
No one said this.
People are shippers yes.
>So, how many of you saw Game of Thrones last night?
>Let me explain this part of the book with a Harry Potter analogy
What do you think of the pleb vs. patrician spectrum? Does it actually exist or is it just 4chan elitism?
If it does exist, how do you communicate that to people who are only interested in video games and superhero flicks?
>How do you communicate that to people who are only interested in video games and superhero flicks?
Why would you want to?
>>9554477
Plebs are smart people who don't waste their time digging deep in to social scenes in which people pretend to like the most obscure or cryptic art in order look smart, because they have better things to do, or normal people who just can't be bothered at all. Patricians are idiots pretending to be smart and cultured, whose sole goal in life is to dig deeper and deeper into obscure trash, only occasionally rewarding their humanity with something good, just so they can impress a circle of hipster faggots.
>>9554516
You described a pleb though, not a patrician. Being patrician is mostly something that you're born into, but people on this board don't understand the concept beyond a meme level.
every time a girl is introduced in any of his novels
>her beauty entrances me I'm overcome with a powerful mysterious feeling
just say you wanna fuck them you stupid japanese pervert
Reminds me of this one parody I saw where the woman gets a long 2-3 paragraph description and then the guy gets a single line to the effect of "he was wearing a brown suit."
>>9554001
Why do bitches love him then?
>>9554028
because he presents precocious young girls blossoming into mysterious women who are desired and yearned for, and wimpy beta males who follow them wherever they go, without question.
Yo, /lit/izens, I have an idea.
Buy my book, you fuckmen.
https://www.amazon.com/Francis-Drizzlecock-Adventure-Gay-Manns-Gigglers/dp/1542621232/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495755114&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=popefrancis+drizzlecock
consume it
Where can i pirate the ebook?
>>9553596
wtf piracy is wrong i bought all of my software why do you ask get out no you have the wrong address
Why do people generally assume that life has an instrinsic meaning?
And if you believed that, why would you want to know the answer? With that kind of logic the answer will completely ruin your existence.
To me it seems that nihilism is the only possible way of dealing with the absence of God, by embracing the fact that nothing matters we are able to appreciate the pleasures that life gives us, and if we never feel enough joy to make up for the pain and sadness that life also gives there's always suicide.
What does /lit/ think about this?
>>9553356
Clean your room
You're not even describing nihilism, you're describing Existential Absurdism
to be honest the more likely isn't that there's a lack of God, but rather we're but an intricate simulation.
you won't commit suicide because you lack the free will to do so.
and which "people" are these
Name a strong character in literature that owns a pet. I can't.
Assuming I'm not being an illiterate retard who needs to read more, why do you think this is the case? Why do few characters have pets even though they are a major part of many of our lives?
will smith in dawn of the dead
>>9553322
Because there are more important things to write about than cats drinking milk and dogs eating shit
the limp dick guy in The Age of Reason.
without the kingdom of heaven, or other such theological endgame, to where, or what, is the march of secular progress headed?
A technological utopia. Inventing God and the kingdom of heaven.
>>9553077
Progress ended with WW2.
>>9553081
>inventing god
singularitists, pls stop
>Want to write a novel
>Books and articles tell you rules
>Show, don't tell, but most novels do so anyway
>Good prose means concise, direct language. Bust most novels use allegory and purple here and there
There are so many do's and dont's of writing that are broken by many authors all the time, and the caveat is always that you should have a "sense" of when to use them. Where can I learn this? After millenia of written word we should have quantified this shit by now, why the fucking mystery?
>>9552921
Shut up
>>9552921
>After millenia of written word we should have quantified this shit by now, why the fucking mystery?
When STEMfags try to /lit/
>>9552921
>>Books and articles tell you rules
There's rules?
>Show, don't tell, but most novels do so anyway
Sometimes showing can be just as effective. Show when it's best to show, tell when it's best to tell.
>Good prose means concise, direct language.
In general, it's best to teach beginners this. Probably the best skill a writer can have is writing ideas in shortest, most direct, and most impactful way. Not that you ALWAYS want to write like this though.