>2017
>Non sa leggere in italiano
I know, we're all missing out on Dante and, uh, Eco, the list goes on.
>>9557601
If you like poetry...
Ungaretti
Pavese
Pasolini
Quasimodo
Montale
Saba
Cavalli
Gozzano
Rebora
Sbarbaro
Rosselli
Sereni
Caproni...
And of course, as you said, the list goes on.
>>9557601
>Conosce soltanto due autori che scrissero in italiano
Più che in tante altre lingue, sembra che ci sia un po' di crisi in Italia per quanto riguarda la letteratura moderna. Tranne Ferrante, non conosco nessuno scrittore/nessuna scrittrice contemporaneo/a da leggere. Con contemporaneo intendo quelli che hanno pubblicato un libro negli ultimi ~10 anni.
Ne avete da consigliare?
How do you keep your place in books?
I use receipts as bookmarks
>>9557366
I just fold the page I'm reading in half.
I write "DONE" on every page I finish
i use old socks
Is this the ultimate meme trilogy?
>>9557331
I thought the meme trilogy were Sophocles's plays.
>>9557331
If you go outside literature, there are bigger memes of trilogies
>using privatised train ticket as a bookmark in Marx
REEEE
>Reading Demons by Dostoevsky.
>MFW all of The Bible references are going over my head.
Sounds like a pleb didn't Start with the Greeks.
>read Dosto, Lewis, Milton and all the other christfags without reading the Bible first
>completely miss the whole point
>read the Bible
>have 20 epiphanies at once
>die of insult and intracranial bleeding
Is this the most /lit/ suicide or what?
>>9556826
>Read The Bible
>Don't read any Christian lit
Am I a reverse pleb?
name me some books that you would liketo read but don't feel prepared yet.
Rayuela for me
como andás boludo
J R
The Red Book
The Will to Power
any Dostoevsky
>>9556218
how are you not prepared ?
>local bookstore installed pleb detectors
>>9556110
Do they only go off when you buy a Stephen King novel?
>only plebs allowed
>no pleb, no sale
>>9556110
Did they take the shitty novels and put it in one place specifically? One time my local bookstore took all the young adult novels and such and put them all in the same place. They have sections for certain genres, but no matter what the genre was they didn't put them with the others of the same kind.
Howdy, /lit/. I see Journey to the End of the Night mentioned a lot in threads here. Has anyone read other Celine works they recommend? Is he worthwhile outside of JTTEOTN
>>9556055
Death on the Installment Plan and North are considered his strongests, along with Journey.
>>9556980
>Death on the Installment Plan
Besides being an incredibly shitty attempt at translating the title, the book itself bored me to no end. Journey was good and went places. Death is just incredibly long-winded account of Céline being a good for nothing boy that constantly shits his pants.
>>9556055
Yes, all is good (the later works are somewhat less popular and more hardcore), although you're losing much of the flavour if you read a translation.
His interviews on YouTube are pretty good too, if you can understand--Céline is being Céline all the time, it's not just a literary style.
Why don't YOU have an aversion to failure, /lit/?
>"As an undergraduate at Trinity College Dublin, she became Europe’s No 1 student debater. Now she has written her debut novel – Conversations With Friends"
>"Rooney is 26 and her youth, and the youth of her sharp-eyed, sharp-tongued narrator, have led her editor at Faber to describe her as “Salinger for the Snapchat generation"
>"The book sold in a seven-way auction last year and Rooney, perhaps with the same energy she has in conversation, worked with “huge speed”, writing 100,000 words of Conversations With Friends in three months“ [...] I wanted to get the novel as perfect as I could. I think it’s an aversion to failure.”
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/may/24/sally-rooney-conversations-with-friends-interview-salinger-snapchat-generation
Quality bait.
I hope Rooney becomes the next writer for /lit/ to hate
>"Salinger for the Snapchat generation"
Good, I havent read Catcher in the Rye yet so I'll probably never read her book. Also 3 months writing? kek
>you will never come from a prestigious background where your connections alone get you published
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/denis-johnson-author-of-jesus-son-dead-at-67/2017/05/26/dc00ccc0-420b-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html?utm_term=.1e9f83245bfa
I made a thread earlier. Truly a great loss. Jesus' Son is a masterpiece
>>9555576
Why couldn't it have been Rupi?
Fuck.
Jesus' Son was amazing, but Tree of Smoke and Angels were even better. I even enjoyed his plays and poems. The guy wasn't capable of writing anything but high tier shit.
/lit/ memes
>>9555458
No, I'm actually just mired in a conflict that doesn't allow for companionship, that's alright though, for every trivial thing like that, I'm dealing blows that dwarf my own subjective condition. As in, I'm objectively and concretely still achieving something. That harms the belligerents much more than I.
Post the expanding brain meme about free will, I want that one.
>>9555465
wtf
What am I supposed to make of this?
>>9555134
Buttsecks is bad... mkay
It's essentially an extremely graphic and long winded way of saying that perhaps fascist dictators arent on the up-and-up
Not revolutionary but stomach churning to the weaker willed
Justine is still his best work
>>9555134
Humanity can be extremely cruel. Look. LOOK HOW THIS GIRL EATS SHIT. DO YOU LIKE IT? NO? WELL, SOME PEOPLE DO AND THAT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Critique thread! Any German Anons willing to give this excerpt a quick read and tell me how to improve it?
Prunkvolle Wagen, dekoriert mit farbigen Stoffen und kunstvollen Ornamenten, machten, unter Begleitung feierlicher Musik, welche die, auf einigen der Wagen verteilten, Musiker voller Elan spielten, nun schon ihre dritte Runde über die große Hauptstraße, die die Stadt umschloss. Die Straße war gesäumt von dicht gedrängten, in Lumpen gekleideten Menschen. Einige wenige von ihnen klatschten müde im Takt der hämmernden Musik, aber die meisten starrten stumm ins Leere. Der größte der Wagen glich in seinem geschichteten Aufbau einer Hochzeitstorte. Insgesamt bestand er aus zehn mannshohen, aufeinander gestapelten Rechtecken bedeckt mit weißer Seide. Ihnen obenauf lag ein kunstvoll geschliffener Sarg aus Ebenholz, neben dem ein mächtiger Thron aus reinstem Silber, die Mittagssonne in alle Richtungen warf. Der Deckel des Sargs war aufgeschlagen, doch die graubraune Masse der Zuschauer konnte ihn vom Boden aus unmöglich einsehen. Lediglich der Mann auf dem Thron, gehüllt in einen vollkommen weißen Königsmantel, besaß dieses Privileg. Gelangweilt drehte er an seinem gepflegten, schwarzen Schnurrbart und rückte sich, von Zeit zu Zeit, die Krone auf seinem Kopf mal etwas mehr zur einen, dann mal etwas mehr zur anderen Seite. Als der Zug, nun schon zum dritten Mal, den großen Platz erreichte, der den Kreis an seinem nördlichsten Punkt unterbrach, hob der bärtige Monarch seinen rechten Arm. Ein Zucken durchlief die Reihe und nacheinander sammelten sich die Wagen auf dem Platz, um dort zwei Kreise zu bilden, deren gemeinsamer Mittelpunkt der war, der den Sarg trug. Den äußeren Kreis bildeten die kleinsten, rot und gelb dekorierten, Wagen auf denen musiziert wurde und den inneren Kreis, die restlichen, die mit Rauten in verschiedenen dunklen Blautönen bedeckt waren und auf denen soldatisch aussehende Bewaffnete in Uniform starr die Menge beobachteten.
Der prachtvoll gekleidete Mann, der den Umzug zu führen schien, erhob sich und ließ seine teilnahmslosen Augen über die ärmlich gekleideten Massen schweifen, die sich ebenfalls zu einem Kreis zusammengeschlossen hatten. Abgesehen von den knallenden Peitschengeräuschen der, vom Wind animierten, Stoffverkleidungen und einem leisen Raunen, welches sich durch die Zuschauerreihen zog und keiner einzelnen Kehle und doch allen gleichermaßen zu entspringen schien, war es still.
„Liebstes Volk“ hallte die Stimme des Monarchen über den großen Platz und wurde von den umstehenden hohen, grau gestrichenen, doch mit farbigen Stoffen geschmückten Häusern vervielfacht und, über den Platz hinaus, weit in die angeschlossenen Straßen hinein getragen.
„wir sind heute hier versammelt, um einen aus eurer Mitte zu ehren.“
Die Soldaten auf den blauen Wagen richteten die langen Läufe ihrer Gewehre zum Himmel und feuerten in die Luft.
Viel zu viele Kommata. Mach die Sätze kürzer, wenn du dir da unsicher bist
>>9555114
I'd critique yours OP but I don't understand german, and I'm afraid that vocem tuam would be lost via translation.
Here's the prologue to my newest piece I've started. It is an amalgamation of various dreams I've had, cobbled together into one coherent piece.
"He felt the snow pelt his dome. Turning he was greeted with her petulcous smirk and eyes frisking his figure. She softly giggled. He looked down, a crescent smile waxing on his countenance. The silver-bits feathering over earth and all around, clothing the undressed trees in satin sheets. Soft pastoral streams shone down on the scene. Showering the fluff-laden field in downy filters. A copse of birches thoroughgoing one flank, dark wooden posts topped with yuletide garlands the other.
“You mustn’t muss about with me, or I may become very cross and not speak to you.”
She briefly sat on this utterance, unsure. “For how long?”
“Perhaps as long as thirty seconds, I’m incredibly unforgiving you know.” He re-searched her expression once more. She said nothing, and looked at him blankly.
“I really don’t know how I’d manage.” Poof. The snow splintered upon his sharp nostrils."
>>9555114
Du musst nicht alles zur Apposition machen. Es wirkt auch eher informell, weil es mir immer den Eindruck gibt, jemand schiebt eine kleine Randbemerkung, hups da ist mir noch was eingefallen, in einen Satz ein, was hier scheinbar nicht der gewünschte Effekt ist. Ich schätze ja ein Komma wie jeder andere, aber in erster Linie für seine strukturierende Kraft und hier zerreißen sie den Satz.
Also lieber so.
>Prunkvolle, mit farbigen Stoffen und kunstvollen Ornamenten dekorierte Wagen machten unter Begleitung feierlicher Musik, welche die auf einigen der Wagen verteilten Musiker voller Elan spielten, nun schon ihre dritte Runde über die große Hauptstraße, die die Stadt umschloss.
What's the appeal of this work?
I finished it yesterday and I have to say that I don't get why this is considered such a great 'classic'.
The concepts of the book were good, using the painting to show the corruption and redemption of the soul.
But the actual excecution was not great imo. First of all, Lord Henry is a terrible character. A cycnic who is good with words but has absolutely nothing to say except some 'deep' one-liners. Could be an interesting side-character, but instead he takes the front stage for half of the book without ever actually stating a coherent line of thought.
Second, there was too much fluff. There are fiftheen pages about Dorian interest in jewels and tapestry.. And lots of totally uninteresting conversations and descriptions.
Does anyone feel the same way about this work?
Who disagrees and why?
Very interested to hear some opinions on this book.
If you hate Lord Henry then you're doing it right. He's loud, obnoxious, pretentious, loveless, and has nothing better to do than corrupt Dorian. You're supposed to hate him and the vain tragic path he seduces Dorian towards, away from Basil's aestheticism. The obsession with jewels and tapestry, and the gorgeous prose describing them, is meant to sicken the reader with beauty.
>>9555124
>You're supposed to hate him
Says who? It seems to me that Lord Henry is sometimes an advocate of many of Wilde's own ideas regarding art and sexuality.
> to sicken the reader with beauty.
What does that even mean?
>>9555124
>hating Lord Henry
faggot detected
Any love for plays?
Honestly my favourite genre. Let's have a thread for it.
Share your favourites/essentials:
>The Good Person of Szechwan
>The robbers
>everything Shakespeare
>Antigone
>The Physicists
Just to name a few
>genre
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Do you go to theaters? I went yesterday, saw an awesome one-act piece, very similar to Ionesco. Sadly it was the director's graduation project, so there will be few performances.
>>The robbers
You really do like that one? It felt like generic 19th century entertainment to me.
>>9555412
I want to but I wouldn't have anyone to go with.
>>9555434
Go by yourself
What are some entry-level books for someone who wants to pick up reading as a hobby who consideres even the books in /lit/ starter kit overwhelming? It can be anything
start with some high school tier shit
>>9554470
Looking For Alaska
The Complete Short Stories of Ernest Hemingway
1984
Brave New World
Fitzgerald translations of The Iliad and The Aeneid
Lord of the Flies
All Quiet on the Western Front
Things Fall Apart
Breakfast of Champions (fuck Slaughterhouse-Five)
All of this is highschool tier. I'll post some more if I think of some.