when he can easily get cis women? Doesn't make any sense
>>8703061
Because not all normal functioning men are heterosexual?
It's either one of the three
>He's a fetishist
>He's experimenting
>The trans girl has enough going for her to outweigh being trans
>>8703073
this твн
I'm pretty sure that my bf would dump me if his life was more together and he had more dating options. I wouldn't try to stop it because I'd want him to be as happy as possible. But pretty much the only way I could see him staying with me at that point is if we had just completely pair bonded and couldn't imagine life wothout eachother or he had some sort of fetish for trannies. Don't get me wrong, I love him to death and I love him with all my heart and soul. But I know that if when we had met our net worths had been reversed, he wouldn't have ever thought of me as a potential mate. It's just something we have to deal with I guess.
>>8703073
What would a trans girl need to be able to attract a normal functioning man? Looks?
>>8703114
Usually the transgirl can connect with men better with more of a "bro" feeling for being educated as a male and having had a male childhood.
Some men look for girlfriends who they can also see as a best friend, and transgirls are usually better for that.
I consider myself a normal functioning man. I do not know if I'm Straight or Bisexual or Gay. For about a year now all I can think of is transexuals (I'm new I apologize if that's the incorrect term). I want to know when does something stop becoming a fetish and start being a serious attraction.
>>8703124
It's gone so far I can't get off to straight porn. I don't find the masculine body attractive either. It's honestly confusing for me.
>>8703061
>when he can easily get cis women? Doesn't make any sense
I have gotten cis women before, almost exclusively, also 1 transwoman. I just don't go out of my way and look for transwomen specifically, I don't see the line between them and cis women because I don't really care for it.
The transwoman I'm with right now intends to get SRS, since I don't like dicks, I'd say that's a pretty good deal. She's nice, respectful, humble and cute. I couldn't ask for more in a woman.
>>8703073
b-but what about beauty on the inside anon??
>>8703139
I don't think there is such a thing anon, have you seen people who have been opened up? Its full of yellow fat, red meat and shit, no different than a slaughtered chicken or cow.
t. Mtf
>>8703157
Can I see your beauty on the inside? Dumb tranny
>>8703061
>Why would a normal functioning guy want a tranny?
>when he can easily get cis women? Doesn't make any sense
/r/ing alimony, child support, rape accusation etc related links/pics
>>8703073
Or he's just bisexual and loves her?
>>8703073
>None of the above, he's trans "himself"
>>8703139
>b-but what about beauty on the inside anon??
umm maybe because he fucking loves me for everything other than the fact that im trans?
not that hard to grasp
>>8703167
>the only option for a tranny is a memelord MRA
Why can't I get a centre left/R A D I C A L C E N T R I S T BF
>>8703240
>centrism
>>8703061
Closet homosexual/bisexual, obviously.
>>8703240
>not being a bigger MRA right-winger than your bf and redpilling him on women
not everybody bases the value of their partners on if they give a good fuck
>>8703258
Being MRA is gay, you should be a gynocidal MGTOW instead.
>>8703061
what do you mean specifically as normal?
also maybe some trannies don't want a normal guy a normal guy today is a meme lord who post too much on facebook
>>8703289
>trannies don't want
Nobody cares what trannies want.
becouse hes gayyyy
>>8703287
Transitioning and dating a guy is pretty MGTOW for both involved, but women aren't a problem if they know their place.
>>8703298
Women are a problem if they physically exist.
>know their place
Their place is on the very top of society and has been since the dawn of mankind. We won't free ourselves from the female yoke if gynocide doesn't happen soon.
>>8703307
Know what ought to be their place, not what traditionally has been.
>>8703311
Their place ought to be 5 feet underground.
>>8703133
Have you ever had sex with a trans woman before?
>>8703315
If you're accepting trannies who know our place why can't women be allowed if they accept the sale rank?
>>8703324
I'm not fully sure if I accept trannies, but regardless, I don't consider them to be women, and they don't have the power of female reproduction and sexual selection, unlike women.
>>8703061
If he likes her enough it will outweigh the whole trans thing, especially if he either doesn't want children or is fine with adopting children.
>>8703124
would you date a trans person? Like, more than just for sex, but with the actual possibility of eventual marriage in mind as it would be with a cis person?
If so, it's a serious attraction. If not, it's just a fetish.
>>8703346
Why are you reluctant to accept trannies?
The right culture can counterweight women's biological privileges.
>>8703367
no culture can outweigh the whole female reproduction thing, friend
I wish it were different, but that's something we can't do, and that's something very important to some people
>>8703373
I've overcome submission to female reproduction to be a tranny into guys.
>>8703061
Idk, I dated a transgirl who I didn't know was trans before she told me. She was really sweet and fun to hang out with. The only time being trans came up was sex. By the way, that's one of the worst parts of dating a trans person, speaking as a male. There would be times when I couldn't fuck her because she was too tired from anal sex. It looks good in porn and all, but it's not really sustainable in a relationship.
>>8703061
Because mtf's have been there, you know?
They put deliberate thought and effort into not just their looks, but their personage. They've reflected on what makes them themselves, what they prefer, and altered their presentation to the world to match that. Even if they knew from the moment they recognized the difference between boys and girls that they were born in the wrong body, they have still questioned themselves in a way no cis person has. Yet at the same time they are tinged with a casual I've-seen-it-allness because they spent time in an abject (or at least discomforting and alien) existence.
But personally I'm into the third gender.
>>8704000
> third gender
AGP?
>>8703109
>I'm pretty sure that my bf would dump me if his life was more together and he had more dating options.
Well with that mentality if his life was solid and he had hot cis women throwing themselves at his feet you'd probably conclude that he's a fetishist.
Give yourself more credit, find a man who's you-sexual.
>>8703404
>There would be times when I couldn't fuck her because she was too tired from anal sex.
Neovagina sex.
>>8704012
AGP is a scale and at the extreme end of the scale AGP's still want to get rid of the dick.
What I'm talking about is more like a girl with Penis Envy except she was born with the penis but needs hormones to not look like a guy.
>>8703061
because you can't be spoiled goods if you don't have a vagina
>>8703367
The goal is to get rid of women permanently. Trannies I guess could serve as sex chattel for men who can't stop thinking with their cocks and still crave females, but I don't see much use for them other than that.
>>8703061
>a normal functioning guy
normal guys don't want trannies.
closeted fags do.
>>8704072
Lack of balloon knot = spoiled goods
https://www.tube8.com/shemale/hardcore/tranny-hoes-in-pantyhose/38233991/
>>8703061
Being attracted to trans women is straighter than being attracted to cis women, because, until straight men "realize" that a person is trans, they only have undiluted pure attraction to them.
>>8703061
>Why would a normal functioning guy want a non-passing/late-transitioner tranny when he can easily get cis women?
FTFY, and they don't. That's what I'm starting to peacefully accept. Especially when I think about not the average women, but the most attractive. There's just very little reason to settle for a tranny when there are so many good-looking women around.
>>8703073
That's pretty much it. Far too few of us in the third category, that's for sure.
>>8703124
Do you find the idea of being an attractive woman arousing?
>>8703404
How often did you have sex?
>>8704119
What is a balloon knot?
>>8704343
>being attracted to a woman who you later find out is biologically male and instantaneously lose attraction for that reason
>is straighter than being attracted to a woman who is a biological female and therefore do not lose attraction to
Explain this logic to me?
>>8703061
because I want to date women, but I enjoy gay sex more than straight sex
>>8704343
I dont get it.
Wouldnt it be the same ? For both cis women and trans women ?
>>8704075
Exactly. Thank you for saying it. We have to break men's fetish for ciswomen, in particular their vaginas (which are population polluting and destroying society). Trans porn ("shemale porn" ugh) is a good tool to get that ball rolling, but we have to do more than that. We have to normalize trans women. Not just the passable ones, but the ugly ones, the hons too. Then we can start working on weening men off vaginas altogether.
>>8705580
So what, would you ban SRS? Or do you not consider neovaginas to be vaginas?
>>8705580
> gynocide for the intent of creating a society of men and transwomen
God dammit why does this turn me on
>>8705689
Genital dysphoria is truly horrible, so gender confirmation surgery is fine for those who want/need it. Disincentivizing ciswomen is the point.
We already know men want trans women, and find us to be better at being women than ciswomen. That isn't some weird fantasy nonsense, google it for yourself. The more we normalize ourselves, the less men will want ciswomen, the more they'll realize they only wanted them because society told them to.
Men regardless of sexuality are aroused by penises, so sexual attraction to persons with a penis is a thing that'll come naturally. (Google this, too. There are numerous studies men's arousal) As ciswomen become disincentivized, it'll become more acceptable for men to have actual, honest-to-goodness relationships with other men. Relationships that are much more fulfilling and don't have near as many social restrictions put on them.
Take a second and think about it. Doesn't a future without ciswomen sound lovely? You can help us build it.
>>8703061
Why do transbians get together? If one of them wasn't trans would they still have gotten together? Do even trannies fetishize each other?
>>8706059
many transbians end up together because they both understand what each other are going through, and likely hang out in the same spaces. they have a lot in common. asking whether they'd still have gotten together if one of them weren't trans is such a drastically huge question with so many life choices involved, we can't know... and yes, transbians can be very attracted to each other, fetishize idk but sure why not
>>8706030
The US trans population is only 0.3%, including ftm. 4chan unsurprisingly has a high traffic from mtf mostly, since most of them suffer from secondary mental illnesses like depression and social anxiety in a male centric website founded in the United States. Considering how mtf are a small margin of the world population, your best bet would be a 4chan island off the coast of Papa New Guinea, sizable enough to be worked and by such a small population.
I don't think being cis would ever go out of style. Fashion, cinema, music , family and culture in general include plenty of females, not just as a sexual symbol (sex sells) but as an aesthetic appeal. And no one questions that.
If there is ever such a trans sent rice nation, it's Thailand, and conditions are less than apealing. The notion is funny though.
>>8703061
emotions have nothing to do about it. any girl can have a 6'4 tall fit guy with a stable career yet you see women giving their life for cholos and other not very worthy kinda of """men"""
>>8706131
Then could a straight men want to be with a transwomen because of similar yet different sentiments?
>>8703061
He doesn't want kids.
>>8706341
>hasn't heard of the pill
>>8706341
My bf knows if he ever wants kids he has my blessing to have them with a cis woman.
>>8706160
The trans population is booming, and will only continue to boom. That last census also didn't take into account (recent) trans-identified children, either; we believe the actual number is above 1% now. Also I think you misunderstood; we don't want everyone to be trans, that'd be gross and weird! We want people to be themselves.
The idea is to bring ciswomen down from their pedestal, to let men (cis or trans) know that they're not the only viable women, to let them know that it's OK to date men and trans women. Of course you and I know that, but society at large is requiring some tugs in the right direction.
The reality is that men are tired of ciswomen--only most aren't aware of that yet. The truth they can't grasp is that ciswomen are over. They don't contribute much to society anymore other than being our loving family members who we care for, but beyond that, they don't bring much to the table. Ironically, this is men's fault. We do live in a worldwide patriarchal culture and ciswomen were forced to exist in it since the dawn of civilization. Men are the cause of their entitlement, for their privilege. For a time, ciswomen were quite literally property. Except: Ciswomen have had relative freedom for 50 years, and they've squandered it. Every gain they've made in feminism they're undoing in the name of "progress," and trans women have had to rush in to save them from themselves time and again. So when we ask for just a little room, just a little space, and they push back, it's more than a little annoying. K this is an entire other discussion, I'll snip it.
People have evolved rapidly, and so have relationships, and another reality is that ciswomen are not fitting the modern needs of men. This, in turn, eventually leads to men not meeting ciswomen's needs, causing a feedback loop of depression.
The bottom line is that men are waiting for a social revolution that will suit their needs, and it will not be through ciswomen.
>>8703061
Most guys find ditziness and lack of intelligence in girls to be cute, which is why many are especially attracted to trannies.
>>8707224
>For a time, ciswomen were quite literally property.
:/
>>8707229
can't i be a smart but ditzy girl? so guys like my helplessness but i'm a fun partner too
>>8707274
>can't i be a smart but ditzy girl?
You mean like someone with a lot of booksmarts, but who's socially and physically clumsy? Hmm, yes, that could work, anon.
>>8703061
Part of it is just the thrill of trying something new. Everything gets dull after a while
https://youtu.be/6YfTAQF7zs0
>>8707285
yes exactly! so i'm really interesting to talk to but still need to hold his hand and get told what to do and not go places by myself
>>8707314
Why do you want to be so helpless and dependent, anon? Don't you know that if you put yourself in that position, you're more likely to end up in an unhappy relationship and be taken advantage of by someone who knows they have power over you?
>>8707380
but if i have power over me i screw myself over anyway. anyway it's just a fantasy...
>>8707389
>but if i have power over me i screw myself over anyway
The kinds of people who like having someone to tell what to do and where to go and be in charge of their lives are usually not very nice people though. Anyone who respects you and cares about your well-being won't enable that level of dependency.
Dumb trannies.
>>8707407
i know. it's an impossible fantasy. i'm a dumb tranny
>>8703061
I was bullied as a teen
But I grew into an fit attractive man but without the confidence built in adolescence
As a result I'm scared of confident girls
Trannys are girls without the meanness
>>8707314
mtf here. A guy who told me what to do and wouldn't let me go places by myself would get dumped in a heartbeat with prejudice.
>>8707494
LOL
trannies are as mean if not more than cisgirls
>>8703061
Every time we see each other, I worry he'll come to the realization of what he's doing and quit. But each time, he gets farther enamored.
My theory is that women have just treated him so horribly that he's subconsciously against another relationship with one but I was a pleasant alternative. Neither of us had any intentions of dating, just sort of happened, I think he was at a point where he's been turning down lots of women.
>>8703121
This essentially.
I always say it's like dating a woman that knows what men are thinking (due to being surrounded by men who are comfortable around you) and who know what hardships men go through (due to facing it daily) as long as the trannies themselves aren't too mentally fucked up, even outside of folks who know I'm transitioning, people are always shocked that I'm so "well-rounded" when I share childhood stories. Thing is, I don't see them as too tough until I see other people's reactions.
>>8703061
Pretty much this
>>8706030
As a straight male I can tell you our attraction women isn't because of social conditioning. Have you considered that maybe.....we genuinely are.........attracted to women????
There maybe men who love fapping to trans women and could see themselves in relationships with one. But they will always be a silver medal to the real thing.
As for hons, straight men will NEVER accept them as mates. They're lower on the scale than straight up men. The only transwomen in the equation are ones that pass for cis. Anything less is a hard nope.
>>8707908
They want to be but their standing in social hierarchy is too low for them to pull it off. A tranny being mean is like a hobo being mean, it doesn't even get you mad.
>>8703061
>Why would a normal functioning guy want a tranny? when he can easily get cis women?
Ill take both thank you.
You dont have to look for cis girls though as they are everywhere, quality trans girls take a lot of work to find.
>>8703061
gamp
>>8703061
Because I found a woman that I like. She's attractive, funny, and likes anime. It just so happens she's trans. To me, that doesn't make her worse. Maybe had I known she were trans before anything else, it wouldn't have worked out as well, but I got to know her as a person first.
While I want a family, I'm more than happy adopting children. While I'm more attracted to vagina than penis, it doesn't really get in the way, and she wants surgery anyways. We're both STEM, so the surgeries she wants isn't really a financial burden.
I didn't want a trans girl- I wanted a girl, and I found one who just happens to be trans.
No risk of getting trapped into having children by crazy.
>>8708092
Trans women are women too, and if it's vaginas that are your thing, get over your vagina fetish. (Or accept that trans women can have vaginas too, vaginas that're designer vaginas intended to look+feel better than cis vaginas)
You are right though, right now our culture craps on trans women and holds them as second-tier to ciswomen. That's why we have to work to promote trans women and disincentivize ciswomen, so they can be on the same level.
As for never accepting hons, yes, straight men might have a hard time accepting them, but straight men have a hard time accepting "ugly" ciswomen as partners too. Attractiveness privilege and all that, lol. I do believe that once the stigma of dating a trans person is gone, that dating hons will be a common thing instead of something seen as freakish. This kind of acceptance is what LGBT is all about.
>>8708766
I want a fuck a neovagina so bad just to see what it's like. No way to know though, as most post ops probably don't disclose they are trans
>>8709051
cis bi dude with a trans girlfriend here
they're interesting. For starters, they're much more than just some hole carved out into a person- they twitch and pulse in the same way that cis vaginas do. They're warm, and while they generally don't get enough natural lube for PiV sex, there definitely is some natural lube- enough for fingering in my experience.
They're alive, in the same way that cis vaginas are. When you're inside one, you can feel the muscles grasp at you.
They don't stretch in the same way that cis vaginas do- if something's too big, it's too big. It won't fit, no matter how much foreplay is involved. This wasn't a problem for me personally (we tried a couple toys that didn't fit, but that was it), but maybe if you're a very well endowed guy it won't work out. Same with depth. I've got an average sized dick though, so the fitting all worked out.
The angling is different. This is hard to explain, but it's like the inside of it was angled in a different direction than a cis vagina. This wasn't bad at all, just something I wasn't really expecting.
The most surprising thing for me though was the taste- the taste was pretty much the same as any other girl. Maybe a bit sweeter since she eats healthy.
I wasn't going to say anything beforehand of course, since I didn't want to influence her decision too much, but I was a bit worried that it wouldn't really be a good vagina, before she got the surgery. I figures that since it's just an inverted penis, it really wouldn't be any different from a penis.
I was wrong, and we're both very pleased with the results.
>>8706359
>polluting the environment
>>8709051
I'm postop and I disclose because I don't do hookups, and not disclosing would be a shitty way to start a relationship. If I'm going to be in a relationship I want it to be with someone who fully accepts who I am.
>>8709139
>if something's too big, it's too big. It won't fit
This is true. Something with too much girth ain't going in. No BBC for me. It can be stretched out over time with bigger dilators, but there's a limit to that and going wider can be painful. I'm in awe of the ability of a baby to fit through a cis vagina.
>inside of it was angled in a different direction
Would you say it was angled more towards the belly or more towards the back than normal?
>>8709293
Maybe angling was the wrong term
I guess I would say it's straighter?
Like a lot of natal vaginas are have some curves inside of them, whereas the neovagina (well, the one I've been inside- maybe it's different with different surgeons or whatever) is a lot straighter.
It's a noticeable difference, especially if you're looking for it, but it isn't a bad one. It's just a "huh" moment
>>8709321
Straight makes sense. Dilators, at least the ones I use, are totally straight. Hmm. Maybe I should get something with a curve in it.
>>8709405
That might work
I assumed it was just a part of it being surgically crafted, but the dilator thing makes sense too.
>>8709435
I think it's a bit of both. Dilating can affect the size and shape of a neovag over time to some extent, though working with a curved dilator/dildo would be more difficult than the straight ones.
>>8709139
Where did she get SRS?
>>8709603
Meltzer, we're both Arizona locals
>>8709634
Oh okay, has she had labiaplasty yet or just the initial surgery?
>>8709642
Yeah she's had labiaplasty
>>8709654
Oh cool, does it pass visually? That's what I'm most concerned about.
>>8709655
Yup
The thing about vulvas that a lot of people don't seem to get is that there's a huge amount of ways for them to look- there's so much more diversity than there is with penises. A lot of people think a good vulva is one that looks like a petite pornstar one, but that's simply not how the vast majority of vulvas look.
>>8709634
Did your gf get the followup labiaplasty? From what I understand Meltzer recommends that. In fact I'm contemplating going to him for a labiaplasty.
>>8709666
Okay, I should probably try to get Meltzer covered by insurance then, even though I'm one state over. I need SRS sooner rather than later and he seems like the best option in the States.
>>8709675
Sounds good. I just need to save some money. I had my SRS done a long time ago. Like with Meltzer a labiaplasty was recommended but I never got one because I felt what I had was good enough. I'm thinking I'd like to upgrade though.
>>8703061
>2,995,955 members in Canada
>>8709139
>if something's too big, it's too big. It won't fit
Would 8 inches (6 inches girth) be too big to fuck a neovag?
>>8710343
It wont go all the way in, though I wouldn't expect that with a cis vagina either, and 6" girth would be very difficult for me. 5" would be a lot better and 4" would be nothing.
>>8703114
Functional, non-mutilated, organically grown genitalia, instead of a bizarre, terrifying wound, would be good.
Cis women don't play video games, are incapable of stimulating conversation, have shit taste in movies and bleed all over the sheets.
Trans women are the solution to the age old problem, that women look fucking incredible but act like women.
>>8712034
>Functional, non-mutilated, organically grown genitalia
This, why can't I have this, what happened to lab grown organs?
>>8712330
What's the perfect balance between acting like a man and being submissive and sexy?
>>8712357
There is none. Whatever you do either way will be shit on for either being not masculine or feminine enough if you are female. A dick haver is always superior, even if it's a diseased transvestite.
>>8712431
...I'm talking about a tranny.
>>8712336
The pace of medical progress is fairly slow. The body is extremely complicated, safety is very important, and you have a lot of regulatory issues. This is why I think things like putting off SRS in hopes that something better will come along is unwise. You might be an old lady by then.
cis women aren't all that great, they don't bring much to a relationship other than a hole and babymaking. if you don't want babies, there's no real advantage to dating cis women.
>>8712894
t. incel
Why would any real functioning guy date a trans woman? Because he's into her, duh. It's why I've been dating my girlfriend for 3 years. There are advantages and disadvantages, hormonal mood swings being the largest one (no different from cis women!), my friends treating me differently when we first started dating, having my mom ask me when this phase was going to end and when I was going to date a Real Woman so she could expect grandchildren, painful awkward stuff like that. It's that shittiness that makes the good times better. What I like most about her is that she's a lot more resilient than cis women I've dated. Bad things happen to her and instead of breaking down, she takes things into her own hands and deals with them. She's also a lot more decisive than cis women I've dated, there are no 5pm what do you want for dinner discussions that take hours. I can't say whether those are trans things but jesus I love it about her.
Yeah and the sex. The sex is so much fucking better with her than with ciswomen. Given, I only had 3 partners before her, but still. (My gf is pre-op, she doesn't have much dysphoria and wants to have the surgery, but only when it's possible to conceive and gestate children through it, which we don't know will happen in our lifetimes) I'll spare bedroom details except the most important one: Unlike with cis women, I can make her O with my dick. No special angles, no accidentally putting it in the wrong hole, none of that. I don't know if it's her or whether most trans women can get off like that, either way I can't tell you how amazing it is. Not having to worry whether I've made her cum is such a relief. And if for some reason she didn't cum (happens sometimes when she's sore) it doesn't take much to get her there. The cis women I've been with, it's a chore to get them to agree to anything more than that I'm doing fine.
Tl;dr romance isn't a competition, date who you like. Give transwomen a chance, you have no idea what you're missing
>>8713172
>my friends treating me differently when we first started dating,
This is a big problem. A lot of cases of "trans panic" are actually due to panic about friends/relatives finding out the guy is dating a transwoman.
I think there are a lot of guys who would date and marry transwomen but are unwilling to deal with the social pressures that would come with it. It's good that you're able to deal with that.
Trans girls are not girls, simple
>>8713463
>girls are not girls
>>8713565
We'll they aren't cisgirl either. A different type entirely.
Its a domination thing with me. Feminizing a failed male and turning him into a bitch is a fetish of mine.
Yes i know im fucked up and I've destroyed most of my relationships.
>>8715045
Most people subconsciously associate masculinity with dominance and femininity with submission without truly understanding it. This triggers feminists to high hell, the fact that we are WIRED by the selection pressures that have shaped our society, and fighting them is not as easy as one wishes to believe.
>>8713694
nice thirdgenderism/enbycrap/special snowflake wankery
Why are you willing to embrace stinkier bullshit just to prevent 0.6% of the population from joining you? Third genders aren't real. They never will be. Stop trying to overthrew le society and put your head back on.
>>8703061
because porn escalation
you know the old joke of how rock stars get bored fucking normal girls?
>>8713172
butt orgasm? or does she just jack it while you poop dick?
>>8703061
because men are better at everything even being women
>>8713392
Yep. The first year was really, really hard on both of us. Anyone going in to a relationship with a trans woman should be prepared for fucked up shit coming from all sides. Shit like her getting kicked out of our gym because she supposedly repeatedly didn't wipe down recumbent bikes even though she's a neat freak and I know she'd never do that. Shit like hanging out with my ex and her explaining she knew why our relationship didn't work, because I was gay, right in front of my gf, and being all snarky about it. I could write a damn book of all the stuff we went through. Regardless, our relationship has been worth all of the crap we've been through.
>>8715069
Hah, butt orgasm. But yeh, prostate orgasm. She usually doesn't need help getting there unless it's the first bit after her HRT shots and sure, she does, and sometimes I do too. When we were first hooking up she'd never let me touch it, and desu I didn't really want to, and it's cute that she does now.
>>8715056
I'm not saying they are a third gender. I'm saying that trannies are not girls, they are dudes.
>>8703061
He wouldn't.
t. normal functioning guy
>>8716126
Lies
Normal functioning guys don't browse lgbt
>>8703061
Because he took the final redpill and realize that there's no point in continuing your genetic line unless
>a) super pure genes frombefore recorded history with no potential disease or deformity development even with the nastiest of bitches
>have a legacy you want upheld
A isnt possible and B can be better achieved through adoption