/ftmg/ - Female to Male General

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can't wait to watch the shitshow this thread is going to cause

There's been some talk in these threads about supposed "shit tests" men do to each other.

If someone I don't know well enough tries to "shit test" me, they can fuck off right then and there. I'm not gonna take an insult from a stranger, even if it's not a serious one. It's a really terrible way of trying to get closer to another person.

It's okay to make fun of a friend every now and then (emphasis on friend), but even then some rules apply. You aren't supposed to mention things that could really hurt them and should you accidentally do so, you apologize. That's what friendship is.

>>8689777
Explain what a shit test is.
Also how old you are my dude.

>>8689777
Care to elaborate anon? Are you talking about friendly banter? Try growing a thicker skin if that's the case.

Posting to say I don't hate hons and u are bad people if you do

>>8689783
I have some idea about what it means, but I'm not a shit test expert in any sense. It has to do with insulting someone and then waiting for them to insult you back, I think. You aren't supposed to show any weakness or overt anger. I think Americans can tell more about the subject, since I think it's more common in there.

I'm 25, by the way.

>>8689783
Friendly banter is friendly banter depending on the context. If someone comes to my table and right off the bat throws an insult at me, I'm not gonna associate with that person anymore.

I have a rather thick skin, but I can also see when a person is a dickhead, and dickheads aren't the kind of people I'm willing to socialize with.

Damnit, can we avoid generals that'll inevitably confuse the poor mtfs that always wander in?

>>8689807
If they're stupid enough to still wander into this one anyway then I'm going to laugh

>>8689809
never underestimate a mtf's lack of reading comprehension

>>8689738
Anyone here abuse drugs or alcohol to cope with dysphoria?

>>8689838
I smoke weed once in a while but it's mostly to help with my chronic pain and to make injecting T easier.

So...I guess not.

>>8689738
Friendly reminder that you will never be a man :)

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>>8689873
t. triggered hon

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>>8689838
sometimes I take 2 or 3 valium instead of the half Im supposed to take, and I drink occasionally. Used to do acid and smoke weed, then I got 4 months of psychosis so I dont do either anymore


>>8689873
gif related

>>8689806
Ye I only insult friends really, how common is it to insult random strangers as a "test"? I'm not very creative anymore so sometimes I just laugh or say fuck you or something rather than come up with an insult. I wish I could learn to get better at insults.

>>8689838
The only time I can actually push "being technically female" to the back of my mind is when I'm drunk.

>>8689786
I don't hate hons either, only ones that are 40 and have had children, or ones that only ever talk about their "girlpenis".

>>8689838
real ftms smoke weed EVERY day no exceptions

everyone else? aap

>>8689886
Why are you on valium? I didn't think that was a medication for schizophrenia

>>8689902
>aap
stop

What orientation are you guys?

My Xbox Live membership expires tomorrow but I don't know if I even feel like renewing it. I've barely been touching it lately because all I play on it is Halo and whatever games I get for free with Gold. Should I renew it or nah?

>>8689945
you got a hole, i'll top it

>>8689945
bi

>>8690107
>ftms
>believing they can be tops

>>8689903
my mom told to doc that she was giving me valium when I had an episode prior to going to the appointment (which was true) so he asked me how much mg I'd like to be on, and from then on I kind of take valium once in a while even though I'm supposed to take it every day. He's known to be a pill pusher anyways.

>>8689945
gay leaning bi

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choose your fighter

>>8689945
straightish bi

>make the op about hating mtfs

Why??? ;-;
Tell me at least some ftms out there don't hate me for existing, even if you don't like or want to date us cursed mtf freaks

>>8690134
strap-ons exist, you know

>>8690178
I would stop hating mtfs if they fucked off back to their own generals and stopped using emoticons.

>>8690200
same, I'm sick of of them ruining everything

>>8690200
I just want an ftm bf and they all hate me now ;-;

>>8690207
gee I wonder why

>>8690207
FtMs have the same sexuality as cis lesbians, so they're not attracted MtFs.

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>>8690215
I'm not attracted to MTFs because they're egotistical, emotionally manipulative, and rarely have a firm grasp on reality. If they weren't so insufferable to deal with I probably wouldn't mind personally, but I have yet to meet one that isn't completely nuts.

>>8690207
>;-;

I want you to know that cis girls don't use emoticons. This is literally the easiest way to spot a hon on this site.

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Is it like bad if I really want a gay ftm no hormone bf, I romantically like guys and male energy but biologically just can't into them

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>>8690178
I'm a chaser but so unsure of everything I'm probably gonna stay a girl forever

>>8690240
It's not bad to want stuff generally but can't you just get a straight tomboy

>>8690240
Just date a tomboy or one of those nonbinary types. Wanting to date someone and then not letting them transition is kinda fucked.

>>8689738
Is anyone else getting a massive libido from T?

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>>8690252
>>8690249

I kinda dating a nb, but even still she has a very feminine uh way of viewing the world, it doesn't work for me as well as guys do, that kinda aggressive get shit done fearlisness and self confidence.

I'd never ask someone not to transition, there are no hormone ftm's like Lauren Hennessy.

I mean some people (like me) chose to present their birth gender for lack of good options

https://discord.gg
/9fgU4s

>>8690296
There are girls that have a masculine way of thinking and either way a lot of transsexuals are more androgynous mentally than aligned with their target sex from what i find

>>8690296
Well yeah, you're not actually going to get someone who's male minded by dating tomboys/NBs, but that's also your only ethical choice. Some are more masculine than others, but they're still girls.

>>8690296
nice shoulders, man

>>8690303
this is a spam server, ignore
it's full of hons and bad memes

>Only one hospital that has doctors experienced in trans people in the whole city
>waitlists for any sort of operation are massive
Now that I'm a month on T I guess it's a good time to book top surgery 2 years prior. Is this a common thing or is my city just shit?

>>8690286
Almost everyone else on T

>>8690313
I don't feel it's unethical to date me being attracted to males but wanting a girlfriend, as long as you know who I am and I feel you see me

>>8690326
I mean I have a chad body, I use it to get privilege, I'm aware

>>8690332
What I'm saying that what you initially asked for was unethical, a pre-transition ftm. Because eventually he's going to want to transition, which would likely end in you dumping him.

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>This thread.
I usually don't post outside of my own turf but this thread is sad, you guys need to get your shit together.

>inb4 call me a tranny.
Just a boring old man passing by.

TL;DR;
Y'all weird as fuck.

>>8690353
>Y'all weird as fuck.
This is /tttt/ nigga, welcome to the shitshow.

I wonder if any of the ftms are more manly then me pretending to be a guy

Hmmm

>>8690426
post pics

>>8690433
I did already
>>8690240
>>8690296

>>8690439
lesbian or mtf?

>>8690449
male on estrogen

>>8690463
interesting
you look like a bulldyke in >>8690240
and mtf in >>8690296

I didn't even realize it was the same person

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>>8690482
Hair makeup modeling angles

>>8690490
seems pretty hypocritical that you can be on HRT but the ideal person you want to date can't

>>8690500
Attraction isn't really hypocritical though, I love as a guy now, I don't expect a lesbian to like me

I understand how tough it is to not have the right hormone though

>>8690500
This is one of those things that really grinds my gears about ftm chasers, especially the forced feminization ones. They want us stuck pre-transition so that they can idolize the body we hate. And at least half of them are mtf or in denial about being mtf. It's disgusting.

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Well, if
>>8690240
is you... then yeah, I'm probably more manly at a glance... since I have a full fucking beard, mustache, and a receding hairline.

>tfw basically bearded Danny DiVito never gonna be a cute as Clark Gregg

>>8690521
Cis women love that unrealistic femboy look the estrogen can give you and someone who has feminine energy and rarely care if you have breasts and no body hair

I don't call them mtf chasers

>>8690615
>taking estrogen is okay but taking testosterone is bad

>>8690634
Hormones don't work on mtfs we go from some type of masculine to slightly more feminine but still in an attractive male range

Like damn I know we get a lot of "tfw no qt bf" but did I miss a thing last thread or something
this is a little extreme for us

>>8690671
You're missing the point, and that's not true because plenty of mtfs are able to pass as female and grow boobs. And let's not even get started on the denial of people like this: >>8690490
It's nothing but sheer hypocrisy on this board that it's okay to feminize and even considered "ideal" for a man to take estrogen while demonizing ftms and testosterone. It may not be happening right now, but we get that shit constantly in our general.

>>8690720
That's me for a year ago ._. am I in denial

>>8689945
Straight, I swear all these bi's are samefagging.

>>8690144
are you secretly eminem

https://youtu.be/v3j2DwztCFU

>>8689783
You're basically throwing something at someone just to see a response. You're going to judge them by their response.

Example:
Shit testee: "Can you not smoke in my house?"
Shit tester: "What would you do if I said no?"

>>8690764
I swing more towards gay but I started saying I'm bi to avoid autistic AAP accusations. I just prefer partners I can get along with and be best friends with, and women don't really fit into that.

>>8690296
What is a feminine vs masculine way of viewing the world? This itself is pretty subjective. How can I know if I have masculine thinking?

>>8690790
Don't get me wrong though, I can definitely appreciate a nice pair of titties. But beyond the sentiment of "I'd tap that", I really just wouldn't want to date a woman. I'll admit that I'm convinced that estrogen makes people crazy.

>>8690720
Also ofc fem estrogen boys are seen as idea on this board, it's rare af in the real world to happen genetically outside of 16-19 and they're like a huge sought after body type for some gay guys

Again ftm hormones are stronger, so you just look like cis males, or you only take a bit and get that fem boy look yourselves.

>>8690818
So you admit it's hypocritical then?

>>8690811
>>8690790

same to both of these, except I still would go with gay irl cause then you won't have girls accusing you of sexual assault because you looked at them

>>8690800
Masculine is beign self sacrificing of your body, put yourself in harms way, don't feel bad for yourself or complain, power through it, have confidence you will win, having the want and the lack of inhabition to take any partner that's willing and throw her against a door and bite her neck just because she looks cute today

Feminine ways of looking at things are like never wanting to push yourself, staying in the same small job that you don't even ask for raises in, looking for someone to take care of you and make decisions, more timid sexually because of social pressures, more prone to trying to spend energy to get people to think you're special based on your looks and sociability then your skill and success. Looking for consensus in groups instead of just taking the reins and driving.

Etc

>>8690821
It's unfortunate that outwardly you are creating a rare phenotype in nature with estrogen (fem boy) that doesn't pass as a common phenotype (female), and that you are creating a phenotype that is disposable and common in nature with T (male)

Each thing has drawbacks

>>8690847
Not the anon who asked but I'm mtf and I relate to this. More please.

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>>8690353
This anon is right.
OP made a bait thread and now we have people discussing special snowflake theory about how feminine and masculine X goes on Y.
Go to reddit you bunch of aydens and susans.

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>making cupcake-size lemon pie
>realize the oven is broken after I got everything ready
How's everyone else's evening going?

>>8690980
Saying that there's no masculine or feminine rolls in society is the sort of tumblr tier bullshit I'd expect from ftm's

>>8690985
you mean nonbinary snowflakes

>>8689738
I just wanted a ftm bro-friend....
sheesh

>>8691001
I was here first
>>8690988
True

>>8691003
you're just pining for attention & admiration

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Prepare the helms boys, the honkadonk brigade has arrived.

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>>8691018
>Stale /pol/ memes.
Are you that ayden kekistani with the 12 year old voice from a previous thread?

>tfw I share a general with wanna edgy teenagers with zero sense of self.
You know /pol/ would want to kill you right, the real /pol/. Not the reddit magapede variant.

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>>8691061
I could care less about /pol/, but the gif was relevant to the OP.

>>8691084
>>8691018
Boys
>>8691061
Daddy

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Explain why this is okay

>>8691165
Tumblr.
Any FtM that's not a trender would have gotten rid of their ovaries.
Just the thought of having a baby makes me feel sick.

>>8691165
It's not, and it's a publicity stunt. Case closed.

>>8691175
>not wanting semen shot into you with a turkey Baster and having it travel up inside of you to combine with your eggs to form a kicking growing ball of life inside of you
>having to be off T for over a year to do it
>nursing it after

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>>8691192
Things that would make me suicidal: the post

>>8691202
It's funny as an mtf I'd like to have someone fuck me like they're trying to put a baby in me, but I thought it was just a funny thought when I was a guy with no meaning behind it

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>>8691192
Well this thread's gone to hell see you fuckers next one

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What does being a man mean to you, /ftmg/? What makes a man different than a boy? Would you say you're a man, or just a boy?

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>>8691165
The pregnant dude looks like fucking Doug Walker

For some reason I've gained 5 pounds in the last month (mo 7-8 on T). I don't look fatter and I don't think I gained muscle. It's weird. I did just have top surgery but if they're removing the tiddies, why would I be heavier after that?

>>8691338
being a man: wanting to have benis (may currently have one or desire one in the future)

man = person who wants benis >=18 years old
boy = person who wants benis <18 years old

>>8691556
>man = person who wants benis >=18 years old
>boy = person who wants benis <18 years old

>Wanting penis makes you a man.
Should have talked more to your dad tbqh.

>>8691543
It's normal. Testosterone gives you less bodyfat and more muscle mass. Muscle weighs more than fat.

>>8691556
You sound like a 5 year old.

>>8691556
I think I made it clear I was talking about the social definition of a man.

Anyone here in the UK and went to a private practice? Can you answer this anon's question in hrtgen? >>8689689
There aren't many ftms in the thread, so ftm questions often go unanswered.

>>8690134
If you're this confused about how to top someone without a dick attached to you, I'm betting you're absolute trash in bed.

>>8690790
Supposedly any FtM who isn't 100% straight is AAP, so it doesn't save you from that bullshit.

>>8690353
>blaming us for the hons shitposting here

>>8692113
Protip: it's probably better to just ask here.

>>8692137
>Supposedly any FtM who isn't 100% straight is AAP
We shouldn't be humoring Blanchardists in the first place, they don't even understand what the fuck they're talking about 99% of the time.

>>8690178

Why do you care about the opinion of someone who hates you for existing? Don't waste your time crying about someone who by definition cannot be won over. It's a waste of time and just fosters victim mentality and emotional weakness, and contrary to what Tumble thinks that shit aint cute or admirable.

>>8693016
not same anon but i care about stuff like that a lot because i don't trust the people around me to tell the truth of what they think about me. the haters are the only ones who are honest

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anyone here cross dress?
what's your favorite guy outfit?

>>8691338
I'm not sure what it means to be a woman or a man, besides having different chromosomes and genitals. I just want to look like a man and be seen as one. I guess right now I would be more of a boy since I've not yet grown out of the phase where I behave like a child.

>>8693032
That's not right, anon. Someone who's hateful isn't necessarily telling the truth.

>>8693083
everyone else hates too they just lie about it

>>8690178
I don't hate you

>>8693066
Wouldn't cross dressing mean dress up as women?

>>8693246
>he thinks he's a man

>>8693301
>he
half-baked insult you got there

>>8693246
>tfw you actually enjoy drag / crossdressing as a girl but it makes you dysphoric every time

>>8693066
if you're ftm & wearing men's clothing you're not crossdressing

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*blocks your path*

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>>8694566
As an mtf I'd say it's a suit

>>8694677
HOW TO FIX LIPS LIKE THIS I LOOK LIKE A MTF PROSTITUTE TOO

>>8694845
>I LOOK LIKE A MTF PROSTITUTE TOO

Well then you're not really trying.
That Ayden in the pic is literally wearing makeup.
Why would you wear makeup and dress like an autistic obese girl from tumblr while keeping your neckbeard in full display?

>>8694845
You don't.

t. cis man with puffy full woman's lips

>>8694677
You look like a crossdressing man in the way Eddie Izzard does.

>>8694677
gb2/mtfg/ hon

>>8693246
>>8694566
i'll never pass, so i can only cd and pretend i'm a guy

>>8693246
That would be reverse crossdressing or double crossdressing.

>>8692218
Believe me, I don't.

>>8694854
Mine look like Taylor Swift's. Every time I think I'm getting totally passable I see my lips move in some reflection or something and cringe. Yours can't be as bad as that.

>>8694966
Why will you never pass?

>>8694854
I'm pretty sure that person was an ftmhon and the thread edition is attracting hons here. Hence why someone asked a bunch of trans guys if they like "crossdressing" (wearing men's clothes). hon mtf's refer to wearing women's clothing as "crossdressing" because they don't pass as female.

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>>8694996
No, it wouldn't.

>>8695016
Sorry I meant regular mtfhon, not ftmhon.

>>8695020
Yes it would but I can understand why admitting it is uncomfortable for you.

>>8695016
>>8695024
No worries anon but I'm pretty sure that's a female to male and the anon who posted it picked it from his/her folder of tumblr aydens.

If you pay enough attention to bone structure, nose, lips, eye sockets, etc you can clearly see the weird snowflake wasn't born a male.

Hons tend to be huge, like, if you put the average poster from this thread near one you will understand, it's like some malnourished kid from africa near a dude from Netherlands, you will usually have at least a 30cm+ different in height and similar for width too.

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>>8695024
>uncomfortable for you

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Are ftms into grown men with diapers?

>>8695024
>>8695036
I'm ftm and it's hell

>>8695016
just like ftm, once you identify as opposite gender of your birth sex, then you are no longer cd'ing

hon mtf that don't pass are still not crossdressing b/c they consider themselves female

>>8695206
I know but some of them are retarded 62 year olds who think they're crossdressing

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>>8695216
has there ever been a ftm who started transitioning after 50?

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>>8695575
Maybe but all "FtM" I know at that age ended up just turning into bulldykes because at their time transitioning wasn't as easy and for some reason they just stayed that way even though nowadays they could move on from it.

This is just my theory at least.
Pic related, 50+ year old bulldyke motorcyclist in a parade.

>>8695575
I saw one on youtube do a transition timeline vid, passed fine too. No link, just stumbled onto it some time.

>>8695575
Yeah, I know one. Started early 50s and now he's in his 60s. He's under 5ft but he's the nicest guy you'll ever meet. He helped me get my name and gender legally changed. And amazingly, he passes, he just looks like a really small dude.

>>8689873
friendly remider that you will never not be a colossal asshole

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>>8695575
Dunno when pic related started, but he is an older trans man

>>8696192
Damn, he looks great.

Reverse image searched and came across this
https://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2015/02/24/photos-transgender-elders-show-us-meaning-survival

Also stumbled onto he vid I was talking about here >>8695610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-gOroTMg1E

>>8696280
Holy crap the guy I mentioned in >>8695622 is in that article!

How jelly are you?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11900755&Ref=NZH_Tw
>tfw my goofy childhood certainty that puberty would somehow make things right and turn me into a boy is actually a real condition

>>8697727
WHAT

fuck

Do they end up with totally normal dicks, or what? There's no good modern pictures of this. Regardless, would definitely be preferably to being FtM.

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DO ftms like to wear diapers?????
if so this would change my few point of them compeltly especialyl if they had hairy bodies.

>>8697824
Yes

>>8692205
What's the point of /hrtg/ when it's all about titty skittles anyway?

>>8691165
Mythbusters got really weird.

I used to chat with a nice ftm guy. He was in the process of getting his last srs surgery and suddenly he vanished. I'm scared I might have upset him or something happened.
I kinda miss him :(

>>8698436
Thats been my experience with every trans man. :/

>>8698436
>>8698461
Why FtM ghost so many people?
And yeah me too, we used to even play autistic shit like magic together and I lent him a ton of my DnD books because he was interested in it.

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>>8698428
kek

My best friends "wife" came out as FtM not long ago

Always knew he was much too nice to be a woman.

>>8698527
If he was married to a man then he is a woman psychologically speaking.

>>8698546
Well that makes no sense because I'm a guy married to a man

Are we both women psychologically speaking?

>>8689738
Where's the ftm Olympic athletes??

>>8698589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gq8PO9XK2Y

>>8689878
>>8694924
>>8689738

Femgen here, I thought you guys were nice and super chil but you're just as cancerous and mean as any. You aren't welcome in our thread when you're like this.
>>8690353
This, you act like catty girls. And you all basically just look like hairy shrimpy girls.

>>8698578
Yes

>>8698436
>>8698461
>>8698483
lolwtf, there's a thread right now about some chick who's ftm bf ghosted her
get it together, guys

>>8698628

simmer down

>>8698628
Post bum

>>8698670
A A P
A
P

>>8698673
Femboys aren't men, they're a cute

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>>8695002
All you can do is pray you can grow a nice beard
It kind of fixed Andrew hussies fat puffy red lips and he's a cis guy

a thread?? about me??? im so flattered

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Does asexuality go away if you're on T for long enough?

I'm tired of being unlovable in every imaginable way.

>>8699039
>I'm tired of being unlovable in every imaginable way.

I think the asexuality problem is usually related to some kind of trauma and low self esteem.
Have you ever tried to have anything with a person, like ever? Or you never really felt attraction to any girl / guy before?

I have only met two asec people and they had a ton of people who were interested in them, the problem wasn't being unlovable but being unloving since they were both aspies and hated any form of contact and interaction with other breathing humans.

Ok so I'm 100% out of the loop here.

The fuck is aap?

>>8699060
I've been fucked before, especially when I was repressing (years 18-20 before coming back to my senses and going back to presenting male) but it was never something I wanted, just kinda something that was done to me.

Always drunk as shit, always dry. I was like 20 when I first realised sex is not supposed to hurt.

I'd love to have a bf but that's going to mean sex, and I'm too scared to check grindr because let's face it nobody there is looking for a lifelong partner.

>>8699093
That sucks anon, and yeah like I thought it was due to some kind of trauma / abuse.

Just the fact you want to be with someone and want to have a full relationship already means you're not asec you just got hurt and developed a trauma about it.

I'm nowhere near a pro in the subject but I think you can turn this around and fix it out. Try to be more comfortable with your body and explore possibilities, maybe if you feel dysphoria about penetration, try to be the one who does the penetration you know? It's super common for FtM to be tops and so on.

Just try to explore things out and slowly you get rid of those issues. As for the gindr thing, I completely agree that you shouldn't do it at all.
Let me explain why, people there are looking for casual no strings attached sex that's hassle and drama free and in your case you already have a ton of things you need to sort before you start going on the casual sex route you know.

But yeah you're not a lost cause at all dude, just don't go full retard and try to bruteforce things, that will only make you more traumatized.

>>8699082
Most ftms.

>>8699082
A fetish for turning into a boy. It's complete bullshit

>>8699128
>A fetish for turning into a boy
So it's like AGP with MtF?

>It's complete bullshit
Why?

>>8699143
Yep.

Its usually referred to as the opposite of being trans, but the reality is that it doesn't fucking matter. Like, people claim that you can be diagnosed with AAP or AGP

>>8699143
>So it's like AGP with MtF?
Yes, it's the FtM equivalent.

>Why?
Same reason as AGP, because it hurts people's feelings and trans people don't care enough about what we actually are.

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>>8690215
speak for yourself

>>8699152
>Its usually referred to as the opposite of being trans,
What are you talking about?

As usually it's the theory's detractors spreading the misinformation.

>>8699152
I see, well makes sense.
From what I have seen most people with "AGP" are just MtF in denial using the fetish as some sort of coping mechanism because they can't transition for whatever reason.

So if it's the same thing for FtM makes sense. I used to be a full blown tomboy for quite some time.
Before I started browsing this board I never heard about them.

>>8699167
Yeah, that's basically it. For some reason, MtFs that try to rush their transition are always so much more disgusting and draw so much more attention than a girl just being a tomboy. The other half of the problem is that the obsession leads to things like molesting kids from time to time; over half of all sex offenders have some sort of gender problem. It's painful to be associated with.

>>8699167
Plenty of transitioning mtfs are open about being AGP.

>>8699190
>For some reason,
Gender roles mainly.

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>>8699199
>Plenty of transitioning mtfs are open about being AGP.
I've only seen one that wasn't a total creep. The rest just cross-dress and get surgeries; its barely a transition if the goal isn't passing.

>>8699190
Outside of the internet i really never met any MtF who was the evil obnoxious bitch like everyone on this board makes them to be, specially on this general.

>>8699199
>Plenty of transitioning mtfs are open about being AGP.
But isn't that like, mutually exclusive? It's like saying I'm trans but not trans? Isn't the AGP / AAP meme thing just used as an excuse for people who are either trying to tell themselves they aren't trans or just people trying to invalidate their right to transition?

>>8699026
Post bum

>>8699206
I mean, outside the internet, I've never met an MtF that was as spiteful and aggressive as the ones in mtfg. If anyone passes, they make an effort to drag them down and make them hate themselves for no reason. I'm sure the only exposure this general has to MtFs is tumblr and mtfg, so it's no wonder.

I honestly thought that this fucking sexuality meme shit would never take hold in ftmg because they're supposed to be the stable men who don't give a fuck, but judging by the anime pictures it may just be a bunch of mtfs circle jerking

>>8699204
Ask around more on this board where people can post anon I guess.

Plenty of AGPs care about passing, but some care less about it too because for them there are more important things. HSTSes on the other hand are more likely to not transition if they don't think they can pass.

This is the same for ftms, the ones who don't care about passing are a subset of the AAPs.

>>8699206
No, no, and no. Anyone who uses AGP/AAP that way is misusing the concept.

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why should i not kill myself tonight

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>>8699221
You're the one taking estrogen, claiming to be a boy, and seducing kids 20 years younger than you. You're literally the reason why I'm afraid to be outed as trans in public.

I'm glad to see you found a new general where people won't recognize your blatant photoshop and angle abuse though.

>>8699220
Oh, that's pure 4chan behavior dude, you will probably never see that anywhere. I even lived in a shelter for a while and no matter how trashy someone looked they weren't as fucked as people in here.

I think it's because of the anonymity, some people use it and being a jerk on the internet as their escape valve for their everyday shitty life ya know?

I think only those extremist groups in the LGBT area tend to be aggressive irl, think of the crazy tumblr people in those weird sleepwalks, shit like that.

>>8699231
>Plenty of AGPs care about passing, but some care less about it too because for them there are more important things. HSTSes on the other hand are more likely to not transition if they don't think they can pass.
I've seen it both ways, and it's stupid to polarize an entire community with something like that. It should be as simple as separating them between "creepy mtfs" and "well-adjusted mtfs"

>>8699233
Because a cute doggo out there will be sad.
At least my dog is what keeps me alive, I feel bad about abandoning the little guy. Even when I was on hobo mode.

>>8699231
>No, no, and no. Anyone who uses AGP/AAP that way is misusing the concept.

Shit, then literally all I know about this AGP / AAP stuff is wrong because I only ever heard about this crap on 4chan, like for real dude.

>>8699262
no doggo

>>8699116
How do I go about any of that?

I understand the concept but what does that mean in practice?

I can't even get aroused enough to masturbate and now the urge has gone completely.

>>8699233
Because it will be allright

>>8699241
Maybe you're right, I feel like people who have gone through the fucking works tend to be more down to earth than the kids that sit at home shitposting and trying to be edgy and interesting all day.

>extremist lgbt groups
Maybe. I generally avoid LGBT like the plague irl, so I can't actually say I know what it's like, but there certainly are some crazy motherfuckers involved.

>>8699241
>sleepwalks
slutwalks, what the fuck why I said sleepwalks.

Also I just noticed I'm probably the most autistic transguy on this thread, literally watching MRE reviews and browsing 4chins while doing nothing at a mom and pop hardware store.

>>8699267
I will be your doggo

>>8699249
I mean, yeah you can divide trannies by how objectively passing they are, or how subjectively creepy they are. You might find either of those useful.

That's not what AGP/HSTS are about though.

>>8699262
Yeah this is the problem of learning anything only from people who disagree with the concept.

>>8699269
how so

>>8699283
not into gross fetish stuff sorry

>>8699285
Right, but AGP/HSTS is basically saying that if you're trans, you're either just a gay man or a confused fetishist.

Both are equally wrong.

>>8699233
Outliving Trump is a good one.

>>8699267
Go visit a shelter and try to make a little buddy happy bro.
Life may be shitty but you kinda get a boost from knowing someone depends on you.
Think of some weird dad instinct ya know?
Gotta protect that smile and shit.

>>8699301
I don't want to be a liability to anyone or anything if I can help it. I'll just be letting them down eventually. Also no money to spend on doggo food and stuff. Want to save all I can for surgery, even if I'll never get there.

>>8699293
Characterizing AGPs and HSTSes those ways is deliberately casting both types in a negative way to call them both male and to make the typology look bad.

>>8699238
I just occasionally hang out with ftms and have a good eye for mtf fuckery, you need to push away from the desk and get some sunlight bro

>>8699318
That's the literal meaning though. AGP means Auto-gynephelia, which means you get off to the idea of being a girl, and HSTS means Heterosexual Transsexual, which means you're trans because you like men. The idea of asserting that these two are opposites is absurd.

>>8699268
>How do I go about any of that?
Well first thing is you accepting that you shouldn't really have to worry or feel any kind of dysphoria / trauma by masturbating.
You can't really jump to shit like "I'm going to get in a threesome on grindr" when you feel uncomfortable by sticking a finger in your butt.


>I understand the concept but what does that mean in practice?
>I can't even get aroused enough to masturbate and now the urge has gone completely.
That's the thing dude, you will have to find out something that makes you horny.

For me it was something that probably grosses 99% of this general, I'm a huge furry I don't even care anymore I love Gfur shit.
I used to be ashamed of it but the thing is, it's a kink, I get horny by it and masturbate. That's it and it's over you know? No need to overthink about this crap
And I'm also sure there's a ton of cis dudes that fap to worse shit out there.

One more thing, you talked about grindr and shit, that means you're into dudes right? You're a bottom or top?
Depending on your answer, go for different kinds of sex toys
Try to test them out, watch shit that makes you horny and get used to these things until you stop feeling like you're doing something wrong.
I know talking is easier than doing it but this trauma shit has the same effect on you as those super religious families who tell you masturbating is a work of the devil or some shit.
Once you stop being scared of it and get more comfortable you won't give a single fuck and start enjoying yourself bro.

Like I said earlier I'm a furry yeah I know in my case pretty much every toy I got is some kind of furry dildo and I also got some strapons.
I have a lot of fun with it but at the start I didn't it was more about experimenting and getting used to things.
If it sucks at the begining don't give up, just keep trying until you find shit that makes you horny.

>>8699330
"Transgenderism is a mental disorder in which someone believes they are the wrong sex."

That's the equivalent of what you're doing to AGP and HSTS.

>>8699082
AutoAndroPhilia, the trans man equivalent of Autogynophilia.
Basically /lgbt/ code for 'gay trans man'

>>8699350
In actually in full support of this. If you feel guilty about something, but you know you're not doing anything wrong, then you should just keep doing it, even forcing yourself to do it so that you can combat the guilt and feel better about doing what you enjoy. This can go from something as simple as watching TV on a Sunday, all the way up to having sex.

>>8699367
Yes, I'm saying that to restrict a person's legitimate reasons for transition to their sexual desires is absurd. They might exist, but there's more to it.

>>8699293
The typology has been useful for me in undersranding my gender and sexuality, but the dichotomy is false and not particularly useful for anything but self-IDing. It's not particularly medically helpful, for example.

>>8699268
Sexplanations on Youtube has a lot of good videos about getting comfortable with yourself and your sexuality. Just getting used to touching yourself (sexually as well as non-sexually) is a good start.

>>8699291
I will be your doggo, as in I got your back. That's how it wil be allright.

>>8689738
>F2M
How old we're you when you noticed your mental illness?

I feel like I have weird insight into what ftm's go through being a detransitioned transgirl that legally has to disclose that she's female and that she has a female legal name, and the fem/no top surgery/way too young looking for your age body type doesn't help

It's really shockingly different how little respect I get compared to pre hrt male life, I've had friends recommend less male confrontational approaches and female speech mannerisms to ease tensions when presenting ideas and critiques

>>8699396
I can certainly understand that, but people do try to use it to define who's really trans and who's making a mistake. My aunt has claimed I should detransitioning because Im "just gay" (I like guys), but at the same time, I have gotten off to the idea of suddenly waking up as a girl. On top of that, I pass on my naturally feminine mannerisms and androgynous appearance, never fit in as a guy because I'm too emotionally feminine, and I have really bad anxiety about not being pretty. I'm effectively too feminine across the boards to have ever been a boy, and people still try to claim its not for me because of Blanchard.

>>8699402
thanks

I want a hairy chubby ftm guy to top me.

>>8699420
If you're gay and want to become a woman to date guys you're just a fail gay

>>8699412
I'm kinda out of the loop here and I don't know you at all since i'm a newfag but.

Are you MtF or FtM?
Why you transitioned then detransitioned then lurk in the trans general?
Are you still taking hormones? Why if you detransitioned?

I don't want to sound harsh or anything just curious, you're probably the closest person to someone from tumblr I have seen on this board.

Again not trying to be an asshole to you, just being a retarded newfag like I always am.

>>8699431
But what if I'm fail-gay and fap to the idea of being a girl at the same time? Am I fail-gay, or a gross fetishist?

>>8699433
I'm a mtf, I'm legally female, I am still on blockers and sporadic estrogen, i detransitioned for work in corporate/sales

I'm not tumblr, I'm the opposite: I just let everyone do whatever, I'm not mad, people from here and tumblr tend to get really angry just at different things.

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>>8699446
>I'm a mtf, I'm legally female,
Ok I will try to remember that.

>I am still on blockers and sporadic estrogen
Ok

>i detransitioned for work in corporate/sales
Ok so, I don't know you and stuff but this shit feels like you browse the FtM general as a coping mechanism because you were forced to stop your transition to keep your job.
That super fucked up, look like I said I really don't know you, I'm a newfag and you probably have been here for way longer than me but you're a girl with a lot of issues.
And I don't just mean trans issues but the very fact you had to stop your transition and "detranstion" well you're still on HRT but you get it, it's fucked up.

I feel bad for you and honestly this doesn't look healthy, maybe you should change your job or some shit, you're probably going to end up hurting yourself or worse if you continue on this kind of path.

pic related, how I feel right now trying to give life advice to someone I have no idea who they are or how old.

>>8699440
M2f arent gross (only f2m) so just fail gay

>>8699394
>>8699396
Why do you guys think it's wrong?

>It's not particularly medically helpful
Obviously medical transition is a matter of medical treatments, that is the various hormones and surgeries.

>>8699477
I won't hurt myself if I stay on estrogen, it's like the feeling that you're destroying your transition by not starting hrt which is panic inducing vs taking it and not presenting, which is more like being in the closet

And I'm here because as a guy and a trans person I feel more at home with ftm's then cis people or mtfs

>>8699590
so you're a trender hoping to be around other trenders?

>>8699500
Blanchards theories have done nothing but give people boxes to sit in, which can be both a place for group therapy or a garbage receptacle for political groups to throw human garbage into. Seek definition within yourself.

>>8699634
That just sounds like another definition and like idk man I just want to be me

>>8699634
Maybe she's the legendary MtFtM. Can't wait for her to get SRS then a Phallo a week after.

>>8699717
I'm pretty sure that term was coined on me like 4 years ago >.>

I actively try to imply I'm ftm so people won't think I'm a weird mtf

>>8699301
>thinks the president is more than a figurehead

retard

>>8699299

this is for you >>8699867

>>8699867
>>8699871
Think you got butthurt at the wrong person champ, I just told the anon to go get a pupper and stop trying to an hero.
Don't worry though it happens every time some random american president is mentioned on 4chan even though this site has people from all countries.

>>8699890

>missed the correction

it doesn't matter who the president is, and it hasn't for decades

>>8699890
>trying
it's happening eventually, if not tonight

>>8700045
Dying is scary as fuck man, almost happened to me two times, one of them I was like 8, got fucked badly by more than 80 huge ass bees.
heart even stopped in the hospital I looked like that puffy monster from ghost busters.

Anyways you shouldn't give up like that unless you tried everything bro, think of all the wizards with shitty lives on /r9k/ motherfuckers are still alive and kicking, at least try all you can before you buy a 12 gauge and an hero.

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come forward. facsimiles of my gender.
challenge me , defeat me in battle and i will reward you with manhood

fail however. and you will be returned to your female form. being unmistakebly a girl.

>>8700541
can i just lose to you deliberately? t. mtf

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>>8700579
no cause then i just kill u

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>>8700586
Only if it's death by dicking with cuddling after.

>>8700541
Shut up Thanos, Death will never love you.

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I'm going to be fucking my (cis) girlfriend for the first time pretty soon and I have no idea what that means for me anymore.

>Haven't fucked a cis girl in 7 years
>Portrayed myself as super femme pre-transition as a coping mechanism "See? I'm not trans!"
>Been on T for 2 years, but dating the same cis man for the entire time (including time pre-T) and he never really managed to see me as male, only neutral.

I want to hold her down and fuck her brains out, but it's all new and scary. First time as a man and all.

How do straight sex?

>>8701188
honestly you don't need anything other than your mouth to make a girl cum. but maybe get a strap-on or try some genital contact if you're comfortable with that.

>>8701188
How many guys have you been with?

>>8701276
4 men, 1 woman. I've always been more attracted to women but it always made my dysphoria worse to want to fuck them but know it wouldn't be 'right.' Now I've had top surgery and I have to shave my face, so it's alright.

Men were easier and I never had to worry about being rejected by them since I didn't feel that attracted to them in the first place.

>so dysphoric about everything even owning cats makes me feel dysphoric because of how they're usually associated with women
Maybe making an appointment with the psychologist isn't a bad idea
My cats are honestly one of the few things that keep me going, I want to become the closest to a normal guy I can, so I can relax and spend more time with them and less time being a sad moist towel

>>8701344
i'm mtf and i like cats because they make me feel feminine.

>>8701366
This is why no one likes mtfs

>>8701548
i don't understand

>>8701344
you like pussy

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never understood AAP honestly. whats so hot about being a guy that youd transition purely for that reason? unless its just my libido, or lack thereof. but for real, even AGP makes more sense to me than AAP.

>>8701908
>but for real, even AGP makes more sense to me than AAP.
explain this?!

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>have date with qt mtf tomorrow
feels good, men
...apart from the fact i literally haven't dated since I came out and I'm awkward as fuck anyway. She's fucking Amazon material though, like goddamn. GodDAMN.

>>8701942
its still fucked but girls are hot

>>8689838
hi im mtf, and i can barely cope
basically get drunk or high everyday at this point
never look at myself anymore
cry when i teel my gross

>>8698628
>Femgen here, I thought you guys were nice and super chil but you're just as cancerous and mean as any.
They can't escape their catty female nature.

I asked my coworkers to use my male name. No one has remembered even though they're all "on my side" so to speak. How do I get them to make the change without coming off like a triggered tumblrina?

>>8702668
Wear a shirt with your name on it

>>8701727
Hell yeah

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What should the next thread edition be, as to keep away most bait and mtfposting

>>8702728
ftmxftm purest love

>>8702728
Fuccboi edition

>>8690800
The masculine and feminine are archetypes which are symbols or motifs which are enduring enough that they can be seen manifest outside of any particular cultural context. That is - you will see them time and again in mythology, art and literature through the ages through different cultures with enough commonality such that it can be classified as a definitive entity. As this can be observed with consistency across multiple people, this moves it away from the subjective and closer to an objective phenomena.

As far as personality goes, people have predispositions to certain personality traits which you could broadly classify as feminine or masculine based on their greater incidence in either male or female populations relative to the other.
There's also culture. There are social institutions and structures which roughly align themselves with the masculine or feminine to various degrees depending on the culture they are seated in.

You can begin to see that the question is too broad anyway. There's many levels you can look at the masc and fem but suffice to say it's not just in someone's head.

>>8702728
Kitty edition

Do you guys appreciate looking at cute transgirls

>>8702791
yes, but if we wanted to do that this is not where we would go

Hi boys
How are you
Im really bored right now
How are things? Is transition going okay? Are you feeling alright? The weeks almost over.

>>8702668

Just politely correct them as it comes up, desu. If you don't, they'll either genuinely forget or assume it wasn't important.
If no one's doing it and you're not correcting anyone, then it'd be weird for any of them to use your new name. That makes them the ones in the position of worrying about kicking up a stink, and it's over something that's not even their issue, and something they're not even sure YOU care about.
If you at least make it known that you're sticking to it, following along becomes the path of least resistance.

>>8702777
Trips of truth

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ftm hon

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>>8703205
Are these drag kings?

>>8703205
>nipples placed too far to the side
>bad scarring that he's not even trying to hide
>needs to work on upper body (at the very least to tone it)
>baby face that is only justifiable if he's under 1.5yr on T, else he's been fucked by biology
>stupid chin scruff that he won't shave because he's so proud that he can finally grow a beard
>bad haircut
>bad glasses

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>>8703211
Yeah looks like it. Neither of them look like they're on T which is a prerequisite for ftmhonhood

>>8703233
I think he is on T but really early in it. Maybe like 6 months or smth. Either that or he has hirsutism.

>>8703233
Why they always dress like that?
Can't they just go outside for once and look at the first guy in the street? Why it's so hard to find another FtM who wants to be stealth and look like a guy.

>>8703205
God, I hope my baby face doesn't end up this bad.
>that chin
ew

>>8702818
Just got home from some intense travelling. Had a wank. Either my clit has grown way more this past month than it did for the six or seven momths prior, or my sexual frustration has been downright absurd.

A bit scared my newfound sensitivity wasn't just the result of sexual frustration, otherwise fine.

So /ftmg/ when did you first know that you are male?

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>>8703651
I fucked ur mom right in her pussy after a 360noscope.

>>8703659
daddy :3

What 2 do about weak jawline?

>>8703973
testosteroni or facial masculinization surgery

>>8703973
Grow out your facial hair if possible. I'm a cis male but I grew a beard to hide my babyface.

>>8703221
>tfw 11 months on T and baby face is still almost this bad
How fucked am I?

I've seen SOME changes. I seem to slowly be getting actual cheekbones.

>>8699231
>Plenty of AGPs care about passing, but some care less about it too because for them there are more important things. HSTSes on the other hand are more likely to not transition if they don't think they can pass.

>This is the same for ftms, the ones who don't care about passing are a subset of the AAPs.
Complete horseshit. Every time you Blanchardfags say shit like this, it confirms for me that this theory is absolute nonsense.

I was EXTREMELY concerned with passing when I was younger. It was my number one fear regarding transition: that I wouldn't pass. I dithered over transition for that reason alone. People "helpfully" saying things to me like, "You're too pretty to be a boy!" (shit NOBODY said to me EVER when I was considered a butch probable-dyke, but nevermind) were basically soul-destroying, they'd ruin my whole week.

But then I got older and honestly, I kinda got over it. I'm not trying to say that dysphoria is just a phase or something you can bootstrap your way out of, or whatever - I still have this disorder, dysphoria still bothers me, not passing still bothers me. But I've reached a point in my life where MY evaluation of myself is far more important than what anyone else ever thinks. If I NEVER passed, it would change nothing about my transition or how I approach life.

If all it took for me to change "type" is to gain some maturity that gave me new perspective and coping skills for the dysphoria...your typology is shit, m8.

>>8705350
>what does 'subset' mean

>>8703651
Two-ish.

>>8703973
I want to know, too. I was considering jaw/chin implants, but I've heard recently about this "mewing" thing where "posture" exercises and chewing really hard gum can fix your face. The idea seems to be that your bones can be shifted very, very slowly over years of constant pressure on them. I'm really skeptical though, anybody know about this?

I'd be a few years from being ready for an implant surgery of any kind anyway, so it would at least be worth attempting in the meantime if it would save me any money in the end. I just don't know that this isn't snake oil silliness. I mean, there are people out there who claim myopia is a spook, ffs.

Vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqlxAdmky10

>>8705321
What does Pictriev tell you?

>>8705376
How the fuck is that a counter-argument? It's one thing to say, "Trait X is more common in type A." It's another thing to suggest that even the clustering of that trait is meaningful for an innate typology difference if that trait can substantially change.

Answer me this: am I HSTS or AAP, nigga?

>>8705412
>It's another thing to suggest that even the clustering of that trait is meaningful for an innate typology difference if that trait can substantially change.
I didn't.

>Answer me this: am I HSTS or AAP, nigga?
AAP, obviously.

>>8705390
Anything from 77% feminine to 95% masculine, like every other trans person I've tried uploading to that site. (Also lots of "face not found" in pics that were nothing but a head shot against a plain background.) My age is roughly somewhere between 20 and 55, and I look most like a mix of Jonathan Franzen, Braeden Lemasters, Kim Kibum, Anabela Belikova and Ben Stiller.

Hope that's informative, famalam, and you have a good mental picture now of what I look like.

>>8705444
>I didn't.
This post >>8699231 sure did. If it wasn't your post, then you didn't need to reply.

>AAP, obviously.
Based on?

>>8705497
>This post >>8699231 sure did.
How so?

>>8705497
>Based on?
That post applied to >>8705350

>mindless catty bitch general

why are all of you so boring and brainless?

>>8705487
For real? I always get like 90-95% masculine but aged at like 16 fml :') how-old.net seems to think I'm in my late 20's, in the meantime.

If it's saying you look like Jonathan Franzen & Braeden Lemasters I think you're ok. Their facial structure doesn't look too bad. A little baby faced with Kim Kibum and Jon Franzen but that's not bad for 11 mo on T.

>>8705543
>How so?
"HSTS is like this." (Audience laughter.) "AAP is like THIS." (Audience howling.) "AMIRITE?!"

Literally what other conclusion could anyone draw besides that this post is suggesting the clustering is meaningful to the type? Are you illiterate?

>That post applied
No, you don't answer the question citing my whole post. Be specific.

>>8695064
no

>>8705546
Have you been to a thread for MtFs, ever?

>>8705557
No I didn't suggest clustering of a trait that can change is meaningful. That's what it means that it's a subset.

>No, you don't answer the question citing my whole post. Be specific.
Why? You didn't ask. You implied your personal account contradicted the typology's consistency, I told you it didn't. End of story.

Besides, I've already told you exactly what it is in your post that reveals you to be AAP. Just apply >>8699231 to it. Why can't you do that yourself?

>>8705674
>No I didn't suggest clustering of a trait that can change is meaningful. That's what it means that it's a subset.
I don't even know where to begin explaining why this doesn't make sense. To begin with, that's not what a subset means. A subset is a set of related things contained within another set of related things. If an element in a set changes, either it's changed sets, or the change was not relevant to its membership in the set.

>You didn't ask.
I've asked twice now. This makes it three.

>You implied your personal account contradicted the typology's consistency, I told you it didn't.
Repeatedly asserting an idea doesn't make it true.

>I've already told you exactly what it is in your post that reveals you to be AAP.
You did not do any such thing. Why are you refusing to answer the question? If you can reply to my post, you can quote it. Back up your argument, or concede and stop replying. This "nyah, I already tooooold you that" nonsense is for middle-school children. Why do all Blanchardians argue like they're in 7th grade? There's a reason people hide your posts.

>>8705648
Yeah, and somehow you managed to be worse than all of them. You used to be chill, now you're awful.
t femgen

>>8705864
>Why can't you do that yourself?

>>8706039
I never really find a reason to start shit in threads, don't take us all under the same brush, but I guess that's what happens when people come in here only to see people argue.

>>8706039
This particular one is garbage because it got raided by Tumblr and the AGP autists simultaneously. OP was asking for it, though.

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>>8706143
Every time. Moonbats. kys.

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>>8705648

Is this a competition? No matter what they act like there's still never any level of intelligent conversation here just mindless vapid drivel that you all pretend you're above. Saying you think someone else is worse just proves my point.

>>8707240

All of these threads are garbage.

fucking hons ruined the general AGAIN, what a surprise