What makes a hon

>>8658142
AGP trash

They're not actually transgender, they just treat it as a fetish.

>>8658142
Yes, those hons would be far far better off if only they knew how to actually present as women. A big part of what makes one a hon is decades of male socialization.

>>8658150
It only takes a video or two- and there are serval about how to manage your hair and use proper makeup. even if you cant afford surgery you can learn how girls mastered hiding these things though clothes and hairstyles

>>8658148
I don't want to believe this either. as easy as it is to dismiss them as such. there must be a couple who are actually just really really late transitioners

>>8658162
Problem is that they can't incorporate those into their everyday lives. Masculine habits and culture are just too deeply ingrained. And many simply just don't care. For example, one hon recently entered a female bathroom wearing male clothes, had short hair, and spoke in a masc voice. And then she complained to the news after she was kicked out. It's clear that these hons are about as delusional as it gets, honestly.

>>8658148
AGP is trans.

>>8658142

Today in Honiversity:
>The Genesis of a Hon

First and formost you have to acknowledge that the suicide rate for transsexual people is the highest ever measured. Over 40% of transsexual people kill themselves before they reach the age of 30. The dark figure is likely to be even higher than 40%.

But some trannies - let's say about 50% to be generous - do not kill them selves before they reach their 30s. Why is that so?
Well, the survivors as we may call them are either more or less successful transitioners or hons.

The transitioner actually works on becoming a woman or being recognized as a woman. There may be some of them, who survive without transition until their 30s or even longer. They tend to be not very delusional and are suffering from severe self-consciousness.

Hons may look like they attempt to transition. They may start HRT and may even get SRS. But they are still not self-conscious about how they look. And more often than not they start very late, like in their 40s or 50s or 60s. How could they survive so long? The answer is easy: cognitive dissonance. Not being aware of how they look helped them to survive.

Many instances of hon logic prove this:

They tend to relativize ("Women have chest hair/facial hair, too!") and often do not take certain aspects of transgender therapy seriously ("You do not need HRT, honey. You can be a gurl without it! Just wait a few more years and think about it."). On the other hand they take pronouns really seriously and are sometimes very demanding of society simply because they cannot understand, why they are not seen as women. They are not able for that kind of information process. "B-but, I'm wearing a skirt. That makes me totally look like a woman. Are you blind?"

Hons are the ultimate surivors. The more of a hon you are the less likely you will kill yourself. Also you will get support from other hons because they truly support you in your delusions and make you feel even more comfortable.

>>8658142
Looks are everything. If you look like a 100% female you can literally wear overalls and watch football and belch like a drunken Russian sailor and everybody will still consider you a woman. If you look like a dude you can act whatever you want and everybody will still consider you a dude.

>>8658610
I need to an hero but I'm scared, what should I do?

>>8658610
or
yknow
they're just AGP fetishists who aren't actually trans and have never suffered dysphoria, since it'd be impossible to survive until 30 without suicide for somebody with real dysphoria

>>8658247
Kill yourself

>>8658148
>being a fetishist is somehow worse than being mentally ill

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>>8658610
you give these shitstains too much credit

They start transition in their 30-60's, already having a job/rent, a high education, a house, expensive car and a lot of money. They have nothing to fear. Consider the following case:
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/becoming-christine-transgender-ceo-hallquist-prepares-to-go-to-work-as-a-woman/Content?oid=2989971

a CEO, earning $$$$$, goes to work as a woman. my, such courage! lmao what a load of bullshit. He has nothing to fear. No one will fire him, no one will harass him in public transportation, he will not have to face any of the challenges that people who started hrt in their teens and 20's do and will. he's already living his life in easy mode.

He's privileged and he's used to getting his way. But he will never pass or look good, so we still have last laugh over his man ass.

>>8658658
>muh mentally ill boogieman
there's literally no reason for this to be a thing that makes trutrans below cis normies anyway, even if it weren't just a /pol/ meme.

>>8658704
Mentally ill people are objectively inferior and worse off to non-mentally ill people. Fetishes on the other hand are generally a harmless sexual hobby unless we're talking about sadists and pedophiles who actually pose a threat to society.

>>8658695
People who transitioned at 17 or 18 with shit genes won't pass or look good either

>>8658715
fuck off m9

>>8658719
yeah, I know. But I don't talk about extremes, I don't know even a single cis male who at the age of 19 wouldn't look better then a man who started at 49

>>8658723
>no argument
As expected from a mentally ill subhuman.

>>8658142
>tfw ur gf is pushing 22 but hasn't started hormones because she still lives with her bible-thumping parents

>>8658642
Be a real hero and transition already.

>>8658650
Some hons actually are on HRT and have no libido consequently. That's not what a fetishist would do imho. Sounds kinda contradictionary to me.
I'm not saying you're wrong, though! I think that there are some fetishists disguised as trans out there.

>>8658695
You forgot that they usually have a wife and kids, too.
But there are a lot of hons with low social status, too.

>>8658734
>some
I have never met a hon who is HSTS
Every single hon I have ever encountered, online or irl, has been AGP. Since AGP isn't trans and has no dysphoria, they're all fetishists.

>>8658748
You haven't met one because they typically have enough sense to stay in boymode/never transition tbqh.

t. boymode hon (HSTS)

>>8658748
>AGP has no dysphoria

do you even know what AGP means?

according to the theory which terminology you are using, it's HSTS who has no dysphoria, because in the world where it is acceptable for men to do all the things women do, they would never feel the need to transition, as they only transition for social reasons.

Meanwhile AGP transition because they hate their bodies. that's dypshoria.

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>>8658142
It's a combination of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder and Paranoid Personality Disorder, much like what religious fundamentalists are.

Except, it seems to not be the same particular combination. Except of course in religious hons.

Some of us are meant to an hero, I am one of them

>>8658765
lol no are you daft? hsts is tru trans agp are just fetishist straight men

>>8658905
literally not. HSTS live as gay men and often don't feel the need to get on hrt. They are the ones who wear drag and live like sunday transvestites.

>>8658650
Or you could be AGP but not dysphoric enough to kill yourself.

>>8658754
Makes sense, a lot of masc AGPs have the same issue.

>>8658610
You either an hero early, or live long enough to become a hon.

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Isnt the obvious answer that everyone would be a girl if they could? Hot chicks get way more attention and love from people and growing up witnessing that obviously makes everyone jealous at some point, but most people accept the hand theyre dealt and play it to the best of their ability whether that means hormones or not.

>>8659590
Then what happened to the ftms?

>>8659590
I don't thank so. I've talked to alot of guys about it, and most literally just want to get money and fuck women. Literally Everytime we walk past a pretty girl, they just say "God damn, ide fuck the brakes off of that."

And if you ask them if they'd ever be a girl, they say "fuck no lol, that would fucking suck. Bleeding out your pussy every month. Plus women are fucking stupid" or something like that.

>>8659948
ya /tttt/ just says that so they don't feel lesser lmao, some people actually like being males...

>>8659848
They all died.

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>>8659848
>>8659948
>>8659958
Being male is objectively better especially as you get older but obviously anyone whos not a trailer park chad wouldnt mind being some kind of omnipotent god that can change sexes and physical forms willy nilly like shiva or vishnu.

The truth is though that it's probably a mixture of everything mentioned but trying to argue the legitimacy of being trans is futile although it can be beneficial if you are trying to play the victim card and get support from the liberal establishment, but it would actually serve to legitimize trans people even further if they took the higher road and just admitted they were doing the best with what they got, like everyone else, instead of alienating themselves and triggering /polflakes.

>>8660140
So what you are saying is ftms transition when they get old?

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>>8660151
Not necessarily but a lot of women after they reach menopause do get short hair cuts and desexualize themselves. Men age better though and it's much more common for men to remain attractive in middle age.

Two other points:

Do trans women share the same psychological characteristics that make women better at childcare?

And the real logical difference, other than the possibility of whatever causes consciousness to be mixed up, perhaps on a chromosomal level (although probably rare) is that trans people are willing to alter their physicality instead of just playing whatever cards their dealt. Although it's another way of playing cards in itself, just the fact trans people are willing to oppose every cell of their body with various techniques makes them more radical inherently.

It does seem though that the recent phenomenon of trans culture and trap porn has caused many men to want to become trans women and more willingly to alter their physicality but that this seems to be what you guys are calling AGP and seems to sometimes be a way of getting attention that someone might desire although the fundamental difference might not be as big as everyone thinks because trying to argue one's consciousness is actually male or female might not even be real in the first place and humans wont really understand that until we fully understand consciousness.

The other thing ive thought about is that one way to think about gender might be as an experience and how people treat eachother. If someone has a female experience they might be more feminine. Although it really does seem like females have inherent differences psychologically which help them raise children, but sexuality seems to be linked to experience and trans women who pass seem more feminine psychologically.

Lastly do trans people experience psychedelics as their preferred gender? Psychedelic headspace to me feels inhuman and therefore genderless.

>>8660184
>Lastly do trans people experience psychedelics as their preferred gender? Psychedelic headspace to me feels inhuman and therefore genderless.

idk what the hell this means lol i dont think men and women experience psychedelics differently but in my experience i was like "dang i feel the girl in me"

>>8658610
40% attempt to kill themselves you fucking retard. Maybe like 5% of transgender people actually kill themselves vs some minor incident most report as suicide attempt. Holy shit you're stupid.

>>8660184
>Lastly do trans people experience psychedelics as their preferred gender? Psychedelic headspace to me feels inhuman and therefore genderless.

Depends on how I'm feeling. It can either make me feel really in tune with my gender, or it can make me feel like a gross ugly man, and someone has to "construct" me by reminding me what I look and sound like, so that I don't spiral.

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>>8660195
Interesting but I too can feel like a gross ugly little man or imagine myself as a woman. My point still stands though that maybe the actual only difference between trans and straight is that trans are just more willing to tray and change phsyical forms. Maybe I should go on CNN and say im a psycho-gender-fluid-physio-male but actually im just not a chaw dipping turbo chad, and a lot of my friends espeically writers ive talked to imagine themselves as a wide variety of characters in different situations and also ive heard a lot of straight girls say they wish they could be men and whip their dongs out and fuck people. So maybe its actually totally normal to imagine oneself in a variety of physical forms.

An interesting study would be to see how various hons and sexy traps and straight girls act and behave with children to see if they have actual similarities or differences and that might give us some insight on the nature of consciousness in general.

>>8660232
I think that I would be a great mom, but right now I'm not comfortable enough with my body. I've wrapped up the things I hate about my body too much with being physically threatening, even though I'm not, and I don't want to be a bad mom in that way. So I'll need SRS and make some other big changes before I'm ready to be a mom. And of course I want to be financially and emotionally secure, so they'll have the best childhood I can give them. I don't want them to end up like me.

A hon is a 40+ y.o. trans woman who looks their age, rather than transitioning from 50 year old man into 20 year old woman like this board expects.

>>8660241
Yeah but the problem is that if you are not a convincing enough mother you can fuck up a child. If you adopt a child then that is still doing the world a service but if you willingly bring a child into this world without a mother then that has shown to seriously fuck people up.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/01/opinion/l-children-without-mothers-are-at-special-risk-954179.html

Honestly I dont think its ethical to risk raising a child as a transwoman without a real woman as well. The consequences are too high to gamble but I still am curious whether hons, passing qt3.14 traps, and real girls have the same reactions around children in a scientific study. Even the best passing qt trap might not have the same maternal instincts that a real woman does and there is no gaurentee even with straight women.

>>8658715
>having an attraction is a threat to society
>implying a pedo would treat their kid worse than some backwater fundamentalist

>>8658610
>le 40% meme
dropped
http://digipo.io/doku.php?id=digipo:analysis:trans_population_suicide_rate

>>8659590
>Isnt the obvious answer that everyone would be a girl if they could?
go home /r9k/

>>8658247
>AGO is the death knell for any hope of having trans acceptance.

FTFY!

>>8660878
Trans acceptance is a troll. The goal of transitioning is to be the right gender. You CAN'T be accepted DURING transition.

>>8660905
however, for most people that is impossible, because they will never pass. So they have to live as cis men or unpassable transwomen.

And of course, even if you do pass, just in case you are outed, you'd probably prefer to live in a world where people can't legally murder you for being a tranny or deny you hrt or srs.

>>8660976
Most people don't pass because they don't put in any effort. Just look at any random thread around here.
"Legally murder." Stop being hysterical. That doesn't help you get acceptance, either.
While it is tougher for any male to get any kind of hormone, no one's being "denied" out of spite. That's malpractice. A still-emerging field and lack of tort reform is what's really holding back srs, and the entire medical field in general.

None of this changes the central point of trans acceptance being a false and undefinable goal.

>>8661022
>hysterical

I live in a country where many people would do it if they could get away with it. Your american/western europe ass can only consider it hysteria because you live in a country where trans acceptance is already very high, and you take certain things for granted.


Most doctors in other parts of the world would love to lock transgender people in a psych ward instead of prescribing them anything.

>>8661061
It's a given that you're fucked if you live in a 3rd world shithole or France. Sorry anon.

Trans acceptance will never work there because the general population just isn't at that level. Same reason why gay acceptance will never work in the middle east. No law can ever change that... and it still doesn't change my point. "Trans acceptance" is not a goal. "Legal use and administration of modern medical practices" IS a goal. "Decriminalisation of self-medicated hrt" is a goal. In France's case, "legal adoption of children for same sex couples" or "extending adoption law to infertile couples" IS a goal. Just saying trans acceptance doesn't mean anything, and in a legal system designed around male/female designations, making changes around those mid-transion will be nearly impossible. You can't even create laws based on some assigned level of maleness/femaleness because it encroaches anti-discrimination laws while doing nothing to help those mid-transition.

>>8661125
>Most doctors in other parts of the world would love to lock transgender people in a psych ward instead of prescribing them anything.
But Asian countries are leaders in the field.
Ironically, in Iran SRS is paid for by the government.

>>8661133
>Ironically, in Iran SRS is paid for by the government.

And used on the wrong people.

>>8661133
>Ironically, in Iran SRS is paid for by the government.

yeah coz being gay will get you hung from a crane. They take perfectly normal faggots and chop their dicks off by force.

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>>8661125
these legal changes aren't possible without trans acceptance, and trans acceptance isn't possible without constant struggle by transgender people for their rights

American trannies have already won most of their rights. Trannies in other countries are still fighting for it. Trans acceptance is totally possible in "3rd world shitholes" (by which you probably mean countries like China, Japan, Russia and Poland too) and lgbt movement has it's hands full fighting for their rights there.

Whenver I hear some faggot talking how trans acceptance isn't a goal or lgbt makes no sense anymore, I imagine they are from some sheltered urban center in USA or western europe and don't know shit about what's actually going on pretty much everywhere else

You might buy HRT over the counter in god damn Mexico but you are still going to get murdered by a random bigot for being a tranny, and you tell me trans acceptance isn't nesscary lmao

also SELF MEDDING IS NOT CRIMINILIZED. nowhere. you don't understand what decriminalization means lmao.

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>>8658142

>>8658610
A lot of this post was horseshit but
>Hons are the ultimate surivors. The more of a hon you are the less likely you will kill yourself.
is as accurate as it gets. Genuinely insightful despite all the preceding nonsense.

>>8658142
I feel like a majority of "hons" would probably improve vastly if they simply took time out of their day to learn how to better dress and apply make-up to themselves. Like, I think the one pictured in the OP could pull off being looking somewhat feminine (not a model ofc, but jut a below-average looking woman) if they simply did not wear tank tops, did not expose their absurdly high hair line, and worked on their make-up.

Really though, I think the problem is that most men in general are so averse to self-care and when people transition, they carry that through. Like, I see so many fucking cis guys wandering around with horribly chapped lips, dry skin, scraggly beards, and so on because standards are so fucking low for men that all they have to do is have a decent physique and not look like a mutant, and they'll pass on through, while women have to do tons of shit to look acceptable. All the trans men I see have really nice looking skin and keep themselves well kept because they're still used to doing a lot of self-care.

>>8658142

This was more or less me in highschool.

I'm a natural blonde with nice hair and somewhat femme features. I also have a big voice, very non femme mannerisms and a masculine bone / facial structure. Realistically I didn't pass at all and everyone knew it. I even knew it on some level. It was more or less a fetish thing for a couple of girls that I knew who liked doing my makeup, dressing me up in their clothes, going shopping and doing generally girly stuff. I only had a crush on one guy the entire time this was going on and he was more or less in the same boat. I was actually the top in our "relationship" so I didn't really feel particularly girly over it.

Didn't give a fuck, wore whatever. Never started HRT, never made any serious efforts at passing, etc. I was an untreated schizophrenic and had a reputation for being a maniac before I started crossdressing so I guess it didn't really phase anyone. No one ever made an effort at bullying me over it because it wouldn't have mattered.

I still have some girly stuff that I like to wear listening to femme hypnosis but its hardly my life. I am glad it worked out as it did. A couple of my female friends always insisted I made a cute girl but that was only true with the perfect outfit, an hour of makeup, good lighting, my hair being done, etc. If I had attempted to live that as my actual life I wouldn't have transitioned well at all.

HON life I guess?

>>8660762
t. pedo

I think it is the hair, yeah, hair, or lack of it?

>>8662896
Nobody gives a shit about your blog you literal baboon.

>>8662934

Oh I'm sorry is this for a serious discussion of Chris Chan trannies?

Are we going to make the shocking revelation that they have no personal awareness?

Is it about their desire to wear as many violently clashing shades of makeup, lipstick, nylon and fake silk as possible?

Or how they are basically immune to trap suicide because they straight up dont give a fuck and have completely unshakable self confidence in their appearance, no matter what?

You stupid goddamn nigger fuck you, infact I probably fucked better than you shopping craigslist twinks

>>8662953
>reddit spacing
Out.

>>8662961
>Out

I am tho, unlike you vanilla BBC fetish bitch cuckboy

>>8662968
>a redditor tranny with schizophrenia calling someone a degenerate
That's rich. Kill yourself.

>>8658610
Most hons are on the autism spectrum. That's why they can't into fashion or grooming.

>>8662977

Statistically you are going to do it before I do when you realize you will never get to be the little girl. Such a sad life, that an unmedicated schizo can look at you and laugh at the insanity you put yourself through

>>8662995
I'm not a tranny you psychotic trash.

>>8662998

Of course not, you are a beautiful woman. Do not let me harsh your parade fagbo - I know women enjoy picking out flaws in uglier women, I guess trannies are the same?

>>8663027
I'm a cis man. Sorry not everyone gets to be a mentally ill patient like you.

>>8663030

Honestly I am getting an erection from this, I think thats the night.

gg no re

Jesus my thread is still up and what has it turn into lol

>>8658650
So, everyone has to pass or they aren't trutrans?

>>8663292
Generally if you don't pass it's an indication of not being really trans. Largely because real trans women are naturally going to be feminine enough to be passable, and minorly because the very few trans women who wouldn't be able to pass kill themselves early on.

>>8658247
This is true because trans is nothing but a fetish.

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>>8663454
>Generally if you don't pass it's an indication of not being really trans. Largely because real trans women are naturally going to be feminine enough to be passable

>>8663494
"being a butthurt falstrans hon" is not an argument.

>>8663494
They are definitely retarded.

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>>8660792
Not everyone is some chawdipping turbo chad.

>>8658695
I started late and yeah had a good job. Lost everything now work part time retail

>>8658142
Age plays a part, but while I am old and not able to be stealth I still feel I have a good sense of fashion and color.

I feel like a Hon constantly but many tell me I am not. I even get flirted with. I really don't know the difference between hon and just trying but not passing perfectly

>>8664612
>lose a "good" job
>get employed in part time retail


I don't believe your shit

>>8659590
No one wants to be a woman....

>>8665946
Except trans? And literally ive had discussions with my turbo chad friends how fun it would be to be a girl sometimes lol. No one may want to be an average female but lots of people wouldnt mind being a hot chick cause they get so much love and attention.

pretty sure my "trans" friend just has a fetish.

he isn't feminine in the slightest, doesn't mind his penis and says his "dysphoria" gets worse when he his horny

opinions?

>>8672090
"just a fetish" = AGP = trans

>>8663454
So this is what happens when you try to talk about something you don't understand

>>8662987
I'll bet there's some truth to this, but we need a good resource.

"A Spectrumer's Guide to Girling" or something like that.

>>8672090
>Dysphoria gets worse when horny
gut that person

>>8669721
They only say that around women to be polite you fucking idiot. Or they mean it very jokingly. Agp is a lot more serious than that.