<--- Attached image is the AGP pride flag. Black represents

(2) From an autogynephile: especially if you can attain the cute feminine body that you are attracted to, AGP is an incredibly satisfying condition to have. Lots of happiness can be had from running your hands all over your body in bed while looking down at it, playing with your breasts and ass, admiring it in the mirror, even jerking off to yourself. And literally affects no one else or harms society at all, it is something that remains in the bedroom. Typical day in AGP life: Wake up in the morning, play with bewbs and get a dose of happiness/smiles in the morning. Get home from work, get nude in your bedroom and enjoy your own body, lie down and run your hands all over yourself. All it does is make you happy at no cost, at the harm of no one else.

It's even more fun if you're bisexual, because then you can find a guy to enjoy your body with you.

>>8628058
>OP's note: being literally attracted to your own body is not the same as "feeling sexy"
I have no idea how people keep denying this.

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Made the HSTS flag.

>>8628263
That's cute! Does it mean anything or did you just pick out shades that looked pretty?

>>8628058
Retard. Please seek your psychologist asap.

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>>8628058
Your flag doesn't even pass for a real flag, so I guess it's completely accurate

>>8628058
>>8628058

>Guys, I'm scared that I'm transitioning for the wrong reasons. Oh god, is it just a fetish? Is it wrong to masturbate in women's clothes? OH GOD DO I HAVE TO DETRANSITION? I'm so ashamed.

>hon
Adult AGPs are all creepy hons. Being AGP is a reason to never transition. Suicide is preferable.

You can go ahead and be a creepy hon but you're just burdening others, hon.

>>8628295
Stupid comeback because AGPs CAN and DO pass as female

>>8628318
They don't according to all the studies. They have absolutely no chance to pass if adult. Blanchard thinks they look like frighteningly sad cartoons.

>>8628330
I never wanted to pass anyway! Shut up about your passing privilege!

>>8628330
i will never pass but it's ok, i can still be on hrt and have smooth skin and tits

>>8628338
>>8628340
Transitioning when you don't pass creeps people out, why do it?

So i need to plan a good method for suicide. Once i'm sure I'm sick.

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>>8628058
thanks doc

>>8628343
i meant not even presenting as female

>>8628330
Yet another myth, that all AGPs are old transitioners.

Nope, lots of AGPs start transition in their teens, and even had signs from early childhood (it manifests as "I want to be a girl" instead of "I am a girl").

>>8628058
AGP treats transgender identities as pathological or as a disease model.

This is not correct. Being transgender is just one of the many ways humans express gender. It's a minority, and an illness.

as I have learned to understand it.

>>8628366
It doesn't matter. Blanchard's studdies prove that even younger post puberty AGP are horrifically incapable of passing. Not just in their sad man bodies, but even their gait is some sad caveman shuffle that clues anyone.

They also have resonance and voice qualities. Voice passing is a lost cause for AGP. As is all kinds and even the good doctor agrees.

>>8628385
*not an illness. not, and an illness*

>>8628366
still is hon, hon

>>8628394
Dividing trans people by sexuality is not considered good science as we currently understand trans people.
Get with the times.

>>8628400
Why not, the science proves that eveyone like >>8628058 is completely indistinguishable from adult men in brain structure and behavior.

Blanchard also says they're violent and prone to sexual assault. Also they look like men doing a bad attempt at impersonation he thinks too.

>>8628394
stop your dumb scare tactics
blanchards studies were poorly organized trash
everybody should be allowed to transition if they want to
which is pretty much how it is atm, you just need to have wanted it for long enough to qualify for a diagnosis

>>8628058
you should be ashamed of yourself. kys degenerate.

>>8628409
Fuck off. If you're on 4chan you're an AGP yourself.

>>8628411
Not really. I plan to kill myself before I become a monster. I will defy fate and become amazing once I leave this life.

I won't live in disease and pain any longer. I'm finally taking charge. I won't ever risk being caught by rot.

>>8628428
ok have fun but stop trying to scare others with false information

>>8628427
see >>8628428 hon

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>>8628058
>purple, green, black

i mean....
that is about the ugliest color combination possible.
maybe get a gay man or an hsts to design it for you and stick to your algebra and railroad trivia skills.
you clearly have no taste.

>>8628428
You've just told trannies they're violent men prone to sexual assault.

You already are a monster.

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>>8628427
nope
just because you came here for masculine reasons doesn't mean the rest of us did.

>>8628438
I told agp hons proud of being AGP what blanchard proved about them

>>8628428
My brother committed suicide. I miss him every day now. I wish I could still talk to him and see him.

ITT: people angry at other people's happiness

>>8628409
OP is wrong.
Blanchard was wrong.
It's okay to be wrong, but when we learn that we're wrong, we should change what we are wrong about.
imo.

>>8628452
I have no point in living when the only thing I have to look forward to is getting ravaged by a chronic disease and having psychological issues that only get worse

>>8628448
You're cherrypicking what fits your own biases and using it to attack trans people.

>>8628490
I'm quoting what he said. You can't just pick and choose what you like and don't like of his theory. I'd rather die honestly.

>>8628497
Quote him then. Quote him and let's see just had badly you've twisted his words to attack trans women.

>>8628472
Yeah he had psychological issues too. Sorry to hear that you're struggling.

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>>8628505

>>8628505
Someone earlier said that his twitter profile uses the algorithm twitter has to have terfs in his twitter feed.
And terfs definitely attack trans women.

Also, it's pretty self evident if you spend any time looking at Blanchard's history that he thinks that trans women are sick men and not just strange women.

>>8628523
And which of your "I'm quoting what he said." is this the source of?

>>8628527
"I'm quoting what he said." = "someone said guild by association"?

AGPs are more trans than HSTS, since HSTS have brains similar to cis brains and are thus cis scum. AGP are only TruTrans™.

>>8628532
Someone doesn't need to outright say something bad if he implies it.
>show me where he implies it!
I would ask people to research it themselves.
Like I said, if you spend any time looking into his research, it becomes quickly clear he's biased in thinking that trans women are ill.
I think this has some stuff with Blanchard in it. It also deals with the era of thinking that Blanchard was in when he made these hypothesis's.
imoooo

>>8628549
http://transadvocate.com/part-i-the-rise-and-fall-of-discosexology-dr-zucker-camh-conversion-therapy_n_19556.htm

>>8628527
t. TERF

>>8628554
i am not.

>>8628549
>I'm quoting what he said.
>Someone doesn't need to outright say something bad if he implies it.
What did he mean by this?

>>8628560
fite me bish.

>>8628566
It was a lie. That's what I thought from the start.

>>8628573
you're living a lie if you think agp is a valid hypothesis.

>>8628575
Blanchard's wrong about AGP but right when it justifies your anti-trans screeds. Cherrypicking, like I thought from the start.

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>>8628592
>>8628573
>>8628058

Liar

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>>8628610
>>8628532
>>8628505
>>8628560
Shameless miserable liar

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Liar, keep pretending he didn't say you're scum

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Curse you for making me waste the last hours of my life in looking through his old tweets

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>>8628644

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>>8628505

Every time he likes, retweets or supports people who call us rapists and predators I will post.

I'll keep doing this until the phenol I drank kicks in and I die. Let's see how much of your proof I get.

I bet I'll post quite a bit before I die. Fun fun fun.

>>8628610
>>8628614
>>8628631
>I'm quoting what he said.
Quote him then.

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>>8628660
Those are his retweets and likes, Blanchard loving hon.

>>8628656
Good god that would be a horrible way out. Please call for help if you actually drank or injected your self with phenol.

>>8628673
Nothing here backs any of your lies about his views.

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>>8628666
He follows and keeps retweeting the architect of the Washington bathroom bill

>>8628678
It's called attention whoring.

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>>8628680
Except everything he retweets you liar

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>>8628678
If you don't take a huge amount it just depresses the nervous system causes tranquility

It's okay I've been burnt before

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I couldn't find the bathroom videos fom jwp he retweets somebody else will have to do it I'm drifting

>>8628684
He didn't say any of the things you wish he did.

I think >>8628554 was right. Everything you've said fits, right down to trying to blame Blanchard for your trans-exclusionary attacks.

>>8628689
I wish I could tell my brother not to kill himself. He died on February 28th and I wish I could've stopped him. He was my favorite person and the person I shared the most memories with.
I'm sure there's someone in your life like that too. I hope you call for help.

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>>8628704
You're a liar to the end. The hands across th aisle he tweets and promotes right here is the architect of the bathroom bill in Washington and Texas.

You're a liar. He's even promoting them and you sink your head in the sand. Good bye mr liar

>>8628711
I'll sleep il see what happens. Lower amounts are more up to chance

>>8628727
Just call 911 and see what they think. You should go to a hospital just to be safe.
ezpz

>>8628720
>mr
Had to get in a last misgendering before quitting your TERF trolling?

>>8628741
I'm sorry

>>8628767
No apology for the times you've told others to kill themselves?

>>8628058
Thank you OP, you're doing what the rest of us are too weak and ignorant to do.

>>8628885
Tell us and maybe OP can adjust it?

>>8629302
seconding

Ya'll posting in a troll thread

>>8628644
You're a saint, Anon. Thanks for fighting the good fight.

>>8634898
We've got /pol/tards spamming our board and you come and do the same in our own community? Fuck off.

>>8628058
Anon, you can recognize AGP-as-in-the-fetish is real AND recognize that it is not the reason you're trans. That the typology is pseudoscience.

>>8634918
You're the one who casts your lot with /pol/, pushing an outdated theory supported by no one in the medical establishment. A theory that is often used as a bludgeon against the trans community by TERFs and their ilk. There's nothing wrong with having this fetish and being trans and a lot of trans people have this fetish but it is not why you're trans.

>>8634941
Go make your own thread instead of shitposting in ours.

>>8628058
Thanks doc

>>8634959
You are inherently shitposting.

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>>8628058
Maybe you deserve all the hate maybe it has negative connotations because it's negative but who knows?

People here legit believe that Blanchard isn't at least a little transphobic? He literally retweets TERFs and supporters of anti-trans bathroom laws. How delusional can you people be?

>>8628058
Oh for fuck sake. FETISHES DON'T DESERVE POLITICAL MOVEMENTS YOU FUCKING FREAKS

>>8628058
>not being a subhuman fetishst makes you a hon
AGP are so much older on average lmao they're like 50x more likely to be hons

>>8628058
GOD FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU STOP TRYING TO NORMALIZE US I HOPE WE GET FUCKING EUTHANIZED WERE FUCKING SHITY PREDATORY SHIT HEADS THAT NEED TO PULL THE GODDAMNED TRIGGER

>>8637795
T. Terf false flag

>>8628295
>Your flag doesn't even pass for a real flag
The punchline is kind of funny, but I don't really get the setup. There aren't exactly high standards for what is or is not a flag; it's just a symbol or some colors typically organized in the shape and width that OP organized theirs in.

>>8628058
I encourage you fucking freaks to be "proud" about this. Go ahead, tell your friends and family that you want to be a girl because it makes your little fantasy ladydick hard to think about taking over their body. Please, fly your freak flag high so you fucking perverted monsters can be ostracized from society like you deserve.

>>8638599
why hate us

>>8637795
>there's something wrong about being predatory

>>8638535
I mean it doesn't have any real sense of aesthetics or color balance, it's just a bunch of shit thrown together with no rhyme or reason [spoiler]like AGP fashion[/spoiler]

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>hon flag
>colors of the Incredible Hulk

>>8641643
>doesn't have any real sense of aesthetics or color balance
Tell us how!

>like AGP fashion
At least we dress hot.

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>>8641702
>Tell us how!
well first of all, black looks awful in a flag. There's a reason most countries don't have black in their flag (and the ones that do look terrible, prove me wrong).

Here's the flag I designed. It reflects the fact that AGP's are neither conventionally masculine nor conventionally feminine.

>chartreuse field representing nerdy beta-masculinity that you often see in AGP's
>lilac field of unconventional femininity
>grey stripe (not white, as in the HSTS flag) representing the blurred lines between sexuality and gender in the AGP individual
>vertical stripe representing the AGP girl's ladyboners and general lack of genital dysphoria

>>8641882
The only changes to the aesthetics and color balance are making the pink and green gentler and replacing black and grey!

>>8641303
Because you're all just straight men pretending to be women so you can get off to it. It's fucking weird and creepy. You're appropriating female biology for a fetish.

I love real women. Not creepy weirdos who pretend to be to get their rocks off.

>>8628058
thanks doc

>>8628058
Why the fuck is every LGBT person an amateur vexillologist?

>>8628527
>he thinks biological men are men

The horror!

>>8628071
As a gay guy this makes me wonder what % of homosexual transsexuals get off to themselves having tits and smooth skin too.

>>8637715
Are you saying the researcher has a public twitter that is not a troll account?

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>>8642651
But how come you don't like modern flags, Anonymous~?

>>8642256
pol or cisles terf?

>>8642727
get that horse away from my honeycomb

>>8642740
Not every gay guy who hates trannies is a terf.

I hate feminists and I hate trannies.

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>>8642763
You could have just said "pol"...

>posts flag
>replies all say get off our board
GET THESE MOTHERFUCKING KIKE PUPPETS OFF OUR BOARD BEFORE I HAVE A GODDAMN ANEURYSM

>>8642176
Well yeah. I tried to maintain the essence of the original flag, I just cut out the ugly.

>>8641882
I like it.

>>8643961
I support your color changes but I'm happy with the layout of the original in OP. Tbhon the ladyboner part triggers me a little.

>>8647573
Why would you bump this thread
It was so close to dying and you saved it
Why

>>8647576
what's wrong with this thread?

>>8647573
Alternate interpretation: The left and right halves represent left-brained and right-brained people, since AGP's often embody the qualities of both.

>>8649477
>since AGP's often embody the qualities of both.
Explain?

>>8649483
AGP's are huge nerds with a feminine side.

>>8647576
bump

>>8649503
I like this phrasing better than the normal ways we're described.

>>8649503
>>8655862
>I like this phrasing

Really?

nerd
nərd
noun informal
a foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills or is boringly studious.
"one of those nerds who never asked a girl to dance"
synonyms: bore;

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>>8647573

combining the superior layout of the original flag and superior coloration of the second, I've come up with this new iteration.

the pink represents the AGP's inherent femininity, guarded by the grey layer of repression and confusion, and finally surrounded by the AGP's outward green of awkward, nerdy beta maleness

>>8628271
I have a theory to what anon intended.

The darker hot pink color is an emulation of young school girls and represents the inherent bitchiness of their personalities.

The inbetween pink is made closer to blue to represent their comfort with their masculinity.

And of course the central pink is completely washed out to represent how they just put on the facade of being a woman while they are actual just raging faggots.

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>>8628058
>>8628071

As someone who supports radical feminism, I'm 100% behind this.

Or maybe 99%. Let me explain.

The reason feminists are angry at AGP trannies is that when they indulge in their fetish in public, they contribute to sexist ideas of womanhood. Especially so if they claim to be women because they feel like submissive sluts. Imagine the insult...

If AGPs would stop riding the "transwomen are women" bandwagon and sit down and accept that they have a fetish, and would come at peace with themselves, it could help stop these tensions.

Not claiming themselves to be women is the first step. After that, they just need to calm down a bit with public displays of their fetish. Don't try to enter women's spaces. Don't walk around in daily life imitating your male fantasy of a slutty woman. Like every fetish, it's best kept to the bedroom, you know?

Makes sense?

>>8656886
Funny how you radfems spent decades making others believe in your existence, then spending another decades making others disbelieving in another group's existence.

>>8655874
>a foolish or contemptible person who lacks social skills or is boringly studious.
That's a perfect description of most AGP's.

Look, here's my impression of every AGP on /lgbt/:

"Ahem!"
*clears throat*
*straightens tie*
"Eckthcuthe me, but I am, in fact, a woman -- here's this twelve-paragraph essay describing how feminine I am, with anecdotes beginning from childhood all notarized and dated!"
"I never played sports as a kid. I was always inside playing Quake 3 Arena when the other boys were playing football, that proves I'm not a boy!"
"Ackchyually, Ray Blanchard's studies are fraudulent, here's a huge stack of books you should read that prove you are wrong and I am right -- what, you don't want to read this book I just handed you? That means I win the argument! :^)"

AGP's are nerds. They have nerdy hobbies, their friends growing up were usually nerds, and in adulthood they continue to act like nerds. When you tell them they aren't feminine (unmasculine, yes, but "unmasculine" does not equal feminine), they start posting all kinds of tables and statistics. They argue like nerds. They are nerds.

>>8656982
Unsure what you're talking about.
When did people believe radfems don't exist?
When did radfems try to convince people that some group of people don't exist? (And which group of people?)

Can you clarify?

>>8657034
Tl;dr

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>>8628058
im not saying you are wrong, but you are retarded

>>8657034
Plenty of nerds would be better off if they were female.

>>8657340
Exactly.

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>>8655945
> facade of being a woman while they are actual just raging faggots.

true, me aswell as my irl hsts normie friend deep down are just GAY BOYS thirsting after STRAIGHT MEN

>>8628058
Thank you doctor, the treatment is doing wonders!

>>8656886
Why should we be second-class women?

>>8628058

Do homosexuals and lesbians find their bodies attractive?

Does anybody put up a fuss about autoandrophiles?

>>8656886

The most defining trait of a gender is being satisfied that you are that gender. However, satisfaction does in fact run deeper than mere sexual stimulation. Satisfaction is confidence, which is why most people enjoy behaving in hypermasculine or hyperfeminine ways some times.

Thus, AGP's just have a fetish if they never move past the "emasculation" stage, their mental image of themselves is still that of a man so appearing or behaving in a feminine manner just creates a kinky "contrast." If you are sexually attracted to yourself then there is a discrepancy between your mental image of yourself and the person you present. However, there is a direct mental line from finding the prospect of being another gender sexy to merely being comfortable as that gender.

>>8657034
Being a nerd doesn't invalidate you from being a queer. See Alan Turing and Lynn Conway (she is my role model).

>q3a
The only part of it that I like is its fanfictions.

>>8664148
>she is my role model

>>8662274
You cannot be a woman.
You can be a first-class man, however.
Trannies > regular men.

>>8628058
>The purple represents our definition of femininity and how we choose to express it.
NO! Stop appropriating African culture!

>>8664148
>she is my role model

What exactly do you like about her?
The fact that she has acheived a modicum of fame?
She seems like your run-of-the-mill mtf to me, but I haven't really read much about her.

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>>8665167
>Trannies > regular men

In what way?
Because they are in touch with their feminine side?
A lot of men have that these days.
As a cis gay man I just find trannies to be a conundrum wrapped in an enigma hidden in a file cabinet in the basement.
I don't see anything about them that makes me think "they're superior!"

>>8665387
She invented some silicon circuit that was replicable on a large scale. So that now it's easier to mass produce powerful computers. I think. I read her story on her blog a couple years ago. It was pretty fascinating. She got fired from IBM for coming out as a tranny, even when her team vouched for her and said she was valuable, now a days, I read that IBM told Texas that when they pass that bathroom bill IBM won't have factories or offices in Texas or whatever IBM has.
I'm grateful I live now instead of when she grew up. It sounds at least ten times worse.

>>8664148
>Being a nerd doesn't invalidate you from being a queer.
No, of course it doesn't. But it does invalidate you from being trans. Alan Turing was a gay man whom the British government subjected to hormone therapy against his will.

The biggest red flag for an AGP is that they always have extremely verbose, hyper-articulate explanations of their self-perceived femininity. The HSTS is unlikely to have any rationalization for her feelings, as true femininity is self-evident and requires no explanation.

>>8641882
>>8655931
The colors make my eyes burn. With that considered, that actually suits you freaks quite well.

>>8665753
>as true femininity is self-evident and requires no explanation.
Flamers who liked pink as a kid.

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>>8642708

>As a gay guy this makes me wonder what % of homosexual transsexuals get off to themselves having tits and smooth skin too.

If you read Blanchard's original study results, about 15%.

Have meet 2 (possibly 3) of them since I started transitioning and learned what AGP was. Just make the right questions in an aparently innocent, naive way... and all will unfold.

>>8666646
If they get off to femininity then they aren't homosexual.

>>8665753
>hsts
>true

>>8666666
you got sextuples, damn

Man, too bad agp doesnt even exist and is a meme sexuality...

>>8666666
Checked and witnessed for truth.

>>8666666

you are confusing gender expression with assigned sex

>>8666273
this is a good post

so happy we're finally embracing our agp-ness instead of running from the label, because honestly who gives a fuck? it's only ciswomen wanting to gatekeep femininity. guess what: they have agp too. except we actually want to be women, we love it, and they're mad as fuck we perform better than they do. they're scared. maybe they should be. can you imagine what will happen when we can finally gestate children? do you think any man would ever want to date another uterus-haver ever again? god, it's so fucking unfair

>>8665403

Because normal men are ugly. Duh.

Passable trannies > femboys > regular men

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>>8628071
>(2) From an autogynephile: especially if you can attain the cute feminine body that you are attracted to, AGP is an incredibly satisfying condition to have. Lots of happiness can be had from running your hands all over your body in bed while looking down at it, playing with your breasts and ass, admiring it in the mirror, even jerking off to yourself. And literally affects no one else or harms society at all, it is something that remains in the bedroom. Typical day in AGP life: Wake up in the morning, play with bewbs and get a dose of happiness/smiles in the morning. Get home from work, get nude in your bedroom and enjoy your own body, lie down and run your hands all over yourself. All it does is make you happy at no cost, at the harm of no one else.
>It's even more fun if you're bisexual, because then you can find a guy to enjoy your body with you.

>if you can attain the cute feminine body that you are attracted to
>if

>tfw unable to attain the cute feminine body I am attracted to
>tfw deprived of what would have been one of my life's greatest joys if not the greatest of them

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>>8687238
>tfw mostly ATP and not AGP enough to appreciate being a skinny girl

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transgender is a mental illness

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>>8687258

This is so me it's as if I came back and made a follow-up post.

>>8687258
ATP? Adenosine triphosphate?

>he has used his autism to become energy

https://youtu.be/p5hH21xgscY?t=51s

>>8687587
shes autothiccphile

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>>8656886
>As someone who supports radical feminism
>anime image

so you're a tranny and you support radfem
fucking cuck

>>8687587

AutoThiccePhilia. The term is kind of tongue-in-cheek, but the feeling is real.

>>8687605
Yeah. I feel like I went through my first transition, but never started my second one. Why is it harder to gain weight than it is to pass as female?

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>>8641882
Black can look great on a flag, pick related. The OP's flag is horrible but that's because pitch black with pale bright green and purple is just a horrible colour combination, not because black is an inherently bad colour for flags.

Your flag is pretty bad too, the grey blends horribly with green and pink.

>>8641882
It's the fucking MS Paint default green and magenta that are the problem, not the black

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>>8687654

Here's my own attempt.

Pinkish-red for sex and sexuality.
Teal for confusion, uncertainty, and internal strife.
Purple for variant femininity.

>>8657034
t. brainlet
You're literally upset people cite their claims.

>>8687605
It's just a kind of anatomic AGP, like autoboobphilia, autovaginaphilia, etc.

Is AGP and sissy stuff the same? 80% of my jerk off sessions are to sissy shit with me being the sissy but it's always getting fucked in the ass, I never imagine myself with a vagina. On the rare occasions I jerk it to hetro porn I'm still the guy. What do?

>>8689087
That's a different style of AGP. There are lots of ways to be AGP. Jerking it to being the guy means you're normally heterosexual as well as AGP. >>8683288

>>8689162

So to conclude there's still vague hope and I'm not totally fucked?

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>>8641882
>>8655931
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>>8687749
Rule of Tincture, you stupid niggers.

>>8694015
Flags aren't heraldry dummy.

>>8628312
>Suicide is preferable
No it's not; also Hons impose there hon-ness to everybody whereas agp's just do their own private stuff in their own life, minding there business

>>8694015
if they ever put it on a shield they can use green anodized aluminum.