WHAT AM I HSTS OR TRANSBIAN OR WHAT

Does it even matter? Just fucking transition.

agp. but transition anyway.

>>8619598
gee it's almost as if Blanchard's typology is good for fuck all when it comes to categorizing trans people
REALLY make me think
REALLY fires up my neurons
REALLY activates my almonds
tbhon

>>8619603

It matters to me. I want to know where do I belong in the trans world.

I just want other trans opinions on the subject, I guess I'm just looking for what others might think on my case

>>8619616
>It matters to me. I want to know where do I belong in the trans world.
Blanchard is a discredited hack.

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>>8619598

Also, for what is worth:

Never liked lesbian porn,

Gay porn makes me really horny.

The porn I like the most is bi porn, actually.

Blanchard's theory isn't in any modern diagnostic manual.

blanchardianism means nothing outside of /lgbt/ and the work of five people who will be buried in the annals of history so it's not something you need to worry about. it makes some sense to propose a typology of trans women but it's pretty clear its connections to what sexually stimulates them are spurious. eg i'm gynephilic and transbianish in my personality and interests, so i'm clearly of the agp type, but i don't have any actual agp attraction. honestly it'd be less silly to think of hsts/agp types as a spectrum but even that would be so limited. it's a dichotomy that can't really account for itself too far outside of studying sexual stimulation...just imo!

>>8619658
well, I've found many HSTS know about it and judge others based on it.

It is sad they judge other trans on wether they're one think or the other. You can just not like to socialize with one kind or the other, but being judgemental... that's not right

>>8619684
>well, I've found many HSTS know about it and judge others based on it.
Here or, you know, where the sane people are? The theory calls them mentally ill men. Gay or straight, trans people aren't known to be fans of Blanchard.

>You can just not like to socialize with one kind or the other
That's like only socializing with people of your Briggs-Myers type lmao

>>8619701
> Gay or straight, trans people aren't known to be fans of Blanchard

I've found some are. Maybe those are exceptions to the rule, maybe those are just the ones I've been unlucky enough to meet. Who knows

>>8619598
Your transitioning at 32? Good for you i'm the same age as you and blatantly AGP and I've chosen to remain male for now.

>>8619613
Thats a very femme AGP than, i'm way more butch than her, i'd say she's borderline HSTS.

>>8619598
You're AGP, clearly.

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>>8619889

>Your transitioning at 32? Good for you i'm the same age as you and blatantly AGP and I've chosen to remain male for now.

NEver late to start to be happy, repression is not the way, babe.

>Thats a very femme AGP than, i'm way more butch than her, i'd say she's borderline HSTS.

If I am to tell the truth, I consider myself some strange HSTS outlyer, I'd accept being AGP... but... read below

>You're AGP, clearly.

I wish, at least I'd know my place. Nonetheless, I don't get off to myself, I find it disgusting, but respect people who do.

Problem is that I'm bisexual, and if we follow Blanchard's rules, that puts me in the AGP category.

So officially I cannot be either HSTS or AGP, what the fuck am I??


but I'm transitioning anyway because I'm dysphoric as hell and all I want is to have a woman's life, which is what suits me best, what makes me happier. Also, looking like a woman shoothes me. Now I can recognize my reflection on the mirror whereas before I couldn't. Enough reasons to transtion for me. I cannot lead a male life anymore, I can't adapt to it and I don't want to. Never liked male socialization, talking and befriending girls feels better for me than doing the same with men.

>>8619973
>So officially I cannot be either HSTS or AGP, what the fuck am I??
If you're not exclusively into men and haven't transitioned early you're AGP according to this retarded "theory". If you're dumb enough to believe it I guess you deserve it.

>>8619980

Indeed I hate it, it's so dogmatic, it doesn't allow the flexibility any psychological means of classification should have

>>8619973
>I consider myself some strange HSTS outlyer
AGPs can be feminine. HSTSes can't have all the AGP signs you do (dysphoria at puberty, bisexuality, etc).

>Nonetheless, I don't get off to myself,
You don't need to. Many AGPs don't have obvious AGP fantasies. Remember, ace mtfs are AGP too.

>>8619982
Its detractors ignore its flexibility and then we get posts like 'I'm bi but I don't fap to being a girl' and 'I'm transbian but I'm feminine' with the conclusions that therefore the typology must be wrong.

>>8619986
> Many AGPs don't have AGP
Yeah, Blanchard's fantasies make so much sense.

>>8619986

>>8619986

>Remember, ace mtfs are AGP too.

>Its detractors ignore its flexibility

Opinions like these are what piss me off.

I always thought there may be many kinds of trans women. Not only 2.

People tends to miss the spot here. The result is being female, the reason is dysphoria, and but the origins of dysphoria are varied.

At a Psychometric level, Blanchard's studies were flawed. So very flawed.

But it became popular adn widely accepted, like that guy that said cholesterol was bad and turned the whole western society world into carb-consuming heart-attack machines

>Imagine a guy who's been chased by some criminal organization, as a part of a witness protection program, he gets offered a transition.

>He hates being a woman, he was a heterosexual man. but this is the only means to survive.

>Is he/she AGP??

Also, bisexuality =/= pseudobisexuality. But blanchard proposes that bisexuality doesn't exist and that it is all the same.

Sigh, whatever, I'm trans and I'm happy, and that's what counts.

>>8619986
>u r secretly aroused by being a girl my man ;)

>>8620021
>Opinions like these are what piss me off.
Why?

>I always thought there may be many kinds of trans women. Not only 2.
What did you think they were?

>>Is he/she AGP??
What type of trans is someone who transitions despite not being trans?

>Also, bisexuality =/= pseudobisexuality.
???

>>8620036

>Also, bisexuality =/= pseudobisexuality.
>???

Here you're making clear you don't know what I'm talking about

>Why?

anchored on dogmas, not open to improvent and change, accepting incomplete science as real instead of delving deeper into it. Accepting things they don't understand well just to promote trolling. It reminds me to religious zealots.

>What did you think they were?

Bailey proposed up to 6.

I don't know how many there can be, but here it comes...

I've distinguised 2 clearly differentiated groups inside what is commonly called HSTS. There are the femme ones who get a vagina, and the less femme who retain their penis and take the "top" or active role sexually with some frequency. Some of these can be very active tops, some others jut top ocassionally

Inside the AGPs, I make the line where they transition or not, there are AGP individuals who don't transition and repress, and the AGP individuals who transition. Inside of these you have the ones who are happy with just getting a vagina and HRT, and a subset of what we can call "lipstick lesbians" who really put effort into it.

There are also the ones like me, who don't clearly fit any category and lie more towards one or the other. I'd speak about myself (but you could read the whole post). I've found others like me, but we tend te join the ranks of the HSTS, socialize with them, feel more at ease with them, and just reveal about our sexuality to understanding people or in anonymous places in the internet, to avoid being judged. Those girls tend to transition in early 20's (I didn't because of repressing, uninformed idiot in conservative environment).

Finally, you have the asexuals, but never met any of them, so I can't tell

>>8620112

>>Bailey proposed up to 6

Sorry my mistake, it was Harry Benjamin

He remarked after he made his classification ,which also included sexual orientation...

"It must be emphasized again that the remaining six types are not and never can be sharply separated."[1] Benjamin added a caveat: "It has been the intention here to point out the possibility of several conceptions and classifications of the transvestitic and the transsexual phenomenon. Future studies and observations may decide which one is likely to come closest to the truth and in this way a possible understanding of the etiology may be gained."[1]


This is an example of a reasonable scientist, the one that accepts that changes can be done, or that he may be wrong, or that there may be exceptions... instead of promoting himself as the paramount of knowledge in a field with his god-given dogma

>>8619986
>Its detractors ignore its flexibility

Blanchard's original vision of the typology was rather inflexible and unforgiving. He would be rather taken aback by the concept of a "feminine outlier"

>>8620112
>I've distinguised 2 clearly differentiated groups inside what is commonly called HSTS.
>>8620122
>are not and never can be sharply separated."
Are your groups sharply separated and clearly differentiated or not?

>>8620370
Is that a yes or a no?

Are your groups clearly differentiated like you attack Blanchard's for being or can they not be clearly separated like you praise Benjamin for saying his can be?

>>8620352

What Benjamin said is that in his opinion none of the groups he saw could be separated. Of course he was being prudent, and that was his personal opinion, which he admitted had to be worked on or could change.

The groups I'm telling you... yes, they are simmilar in many traits, but very different in others, like sexual practices and the conception of their sexual life, for example. Also, I've realized that the (exclusively androphilic) ones that keep their penis are somewhat more masculine in behavior than their reassigned counterparts.

>>8620389
>>8620385

>>8620385

I don't praise Benjamin for saying the groups can't be clearly separated, I'm praising him for BEING HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT HIS CLASSIFICATION COULD BE WRONG.

He proposed a more wide and flexible classification than "heads or tails", allowing for "in the middle" individuals. That's called "knowing what human psychology is about". He did so because he knew he didn't do proper mathematical models on the subject.

My homemade observations lead me to the conclussion that some of my classified individuals behave in a more masculine way than others, who are more feminine, being of course an overlap in femininity in the behavior. I'm talking about populations, so overlaps betwen groups are bound to happen, although the prssence of 2 groups of dots in an hypothetical XYZ axis could be asessed reliably, if we had the proper means and a big enough population, let's say N=10.000. Also We wouldn't have to rely on self-reports, since many transwomen lie on them, either to get their prescriptions (since often these studies are made by doctors who hold the key of the gate they're keeping), or because of the phenomena known as "social desirability vias". So proper questionnaires should be made, with questions that do NOT ask directly about the fact we're looking for, since that would set alarms on the subjects trying to protect their public image or their goals. The question should be based on behaviors that correlate with the fenomenon we're studying, but that don't do so in an obvious way, so more studies on those correlated events should be done too. Who knows, perhaps a transversal study on the so called "big-five dimensiosn pof personality" of transexual women would do.

Also, the psychometric design of the study should be asessed by an external tribunal

Finally, and to top it off, re-test tests should be made, and the tests would have to be made in standardized conditions, much unlike the informal settings in which Blanchard's studies were realized.

>>8619598
As you want to subscribe to hsts and Agp... You're very clearly Agp. You can't transition after early 20's and repress, and be hsts.

There's nothing about that Agp can't be "feminine"

>>8620422
Also, all bi and lesbian are Agp, no matter any other circumstances, same goes for asexual

>>8620420

Indeed, the test design should include at least 2 subscales not related to the fact being evaluated.

An scale that measures for randomness

And a scale that measures the social desirability vias, so we could make orrelations between social desirability and certain patterns of response, which would help us finding some "common lies" in narratives.

Finally the psychometric model should be evaluated by a mathematician, with the names of the variables substituted by proxy names so as to avoid any vias or prejudices.

Psychometrics, what a glorious field of study.

A follow-up study should be made after the design of the test, to check the ECOLOGICAL VALIDITY of the questions, and the questions should be trimmed, one by one, only keeping the ones correlating to the selected traits, and eliminating the others, since they introduce noise that can distort the graphical representation of the traits in the XYZ axis.

The autogynephilia studies were made in not-standardized conditions, the conditions were not free of spurious intentions, the mathematical model was broken about the middle of the bell curve in the sexual orientation scale, there was not any reliability or follow up studies made, and the tests questions were blunt and poorly designed, almost falling in the self- report category.

Don't thread on me when it comes to mathematical models of psychological studies, because I may be more of a heavyweight in this field than you expected.

>>8620420
>I'm praising him for BEING HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT HIS CLASSIFICATION COULD BE WRONG.
Do you consider you could be wrong about Blanchard?

>He proposed a more wide and flexible classification than "heads or tails", allowing for "in the middle" individuals. That's called "knowing what human psychology is about".
Do you think trans and cis are a heads and tails?

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>>8620446

And, finally, after all this hard work... Expect outlyers to happen.

Indeed, if you don't get outlyers, it means your design is flawed, since your p-value was either too big or too narrow (that's just some basic inferential statistics ya know).

Does the Blanchard study allow for outlyers? Does it? No?

Well, maybe that's why the APA, in a very diplomatic maneuver, declared that it won't take the Blanchard study as a set standard, and that is open to new models.

Hah, if the fathers of the big-five had to peer review Blanchard's studies they'd shot themselves

>>8619598
I'm leaning heavily towards "you are AGP", but let's have a little fun and see if we can find some direct AGP in your past:

What kinds of things were you into before you started conceptualizing yourself as MtF/female?

>>8620502

Enduring bullying

Studying hard

Ignoring most of my toys except for some videogames

Playing with my sisters

Reading cheap novels for children

>>8620471
I might take the APA more seriously if diplomacy was less important to them.

>>8620538

So you're just a Blanchard's fanboy and would despise the single-handedly creator of a new way to advance in the knowledge of human beings,which has introduced many ground-breaking discoveries, just to support your favorite author.

Nice one

>>8620521
Uh... I meant sexually.

>>8620554
You should be more specific. AGP's tend to interpret things literally.

>>8620502
what does it mean if I don't conceptualize myself as either male or female, just wanting to be female? not OP.

>>8620502

I remember of dysphoric thoughts before my sexuality awoke. Starting at 8 years, but those were faint, Like I remember wanting to be a girl so I could be a ballet dancer or design clothes.

I also realized I was very effeminate at 5 years old, when I had the sudden realization other guys would call me names and bully me if I kept being that way (which, eventually, happent), but at that time I didn't consider myself to be a girl, just "a boy who couldn't be a normal boy".

First time I got in love was with my only male friend, a bullyed guy who joined me in recess (we were basically the bunch of the rejected guys), second time was with a girl in my classroom. From that moment on, I've had funny feelings for both genders, sometimes one more, sometimes the other more. It may have happent when I was 13 years.

So answering to your question, I've conceptualized myself as a girl before the onset of sexual desire, but as I said, those thoughts were faint, brief, it was more of a "you're just effeminate" thing than an "I'm a girl" thing, although, yes, sometimes I desired to be a girl.

>>8620599
The reason HSTS trans women often conceptualize themselves as female at an early age is not because of any sort of innate gender identity, but instead because they notice that they think and act in ways very similar to cis women. If they instead have a good notion of "GNC male" to identify with, then they will often conceptualize themselves as such instead.

(You see the effect of this on HSTS trans men, who can and do identify as extremely butch women.)

I'd strongly expect that you're AGP, though, because this is 4chan and HSTS trans women generally don't end up on 4chan. (There are RARE exceptions though.)

>>8620623

>The reason HSTS trans women often conceptualize themselves as female at an early age is not because of any sort of innate gender identity, but instead because they notice that they think and act in ways very similar to cis women.

Hell, you just nailed it!!! Links to studies/research?

I always suspected this of my HSTS friends, but they were all like "I knew I was female since I was 1 month in the womb"

All except for one, who told me she just felt like a very effeminate guy who wanted to look and live like a girl (I've identified myself with this description often, but since I'm an outlyer, I always doubt of myself)

>>8620623
I am agp and I'm not very feminine or masculine, just agp failed male. is that why I don't really see myself as belonging to either gender?

How about you stop trying to define yourself by a single facet.

There's nothing less interesting than a character with a single dimension.

>>8620632
>who wanted to look and live like a girl
this is me >>8620662 but I do have signs of agp too.

>>8620667

Because we all need a feeling, a knowledge of where do we belong.

I feel weird, lonely, strange, rara avis, the black sheep, the oddball...

And that doesn't feel good

>>8620675

>wanting to look and live like a girl is the gender dysphoria by itself, it is the cause of this what defines what you are

>>8620632
I'm not good at keeping track of links to studies. :V

I'm skeptical of self-identification as "feminine", especially on this board. A lot of A*Ps claim to have been GNC from a young age, but it's clear that this claim is often just plain wrong.

>>8620662
A lot of AGPs see themselves as "unmasculine", or "failed males". The most common things to point at as examples of this would be a lack of interest in sports, and a lack of drive/confidence for dating women.

>>8620675
As >>8620684 said, this is just gender dysphoria. The important part is *why* you're doing it.

>>8620726
>GNC
What is GNC??

>>8620726
other agps identify as female don't they, or male if they don't know they are trans yet? I don't identify as either.

I'm unmasculine in my psychology, not just because of sports or women.

my *why* is agp reasons and because I'm a failed male.

>>8620739
Gender nonconforming.

>>8620758
> other agps identify as female don't they, or male if they don't know they are trans yet? I don't identify as either.
Mmm, not sure. People use "identify as" in weird ways, e.g. to refer to what they desire to be.

> my *why* is agp reasons and because I'm a failed male.
I have a pet theory that AGP by its own is usually not enough to cause transition. I think something along the lines of "failed male" might be necessary, or at least, provide a large boost in need to transition.

AGP seems strongly associated with desire to be female, but it's not as strongly negatively associated with desire to be male. I think that part of the AGP motivation may be that we're not getting anything out of being male, unlike "non-failed males".

>>8620802
>People use "identify as" in weird ways, e.g. to refer to what they desire to be.
you mean I'm not really different from other agps, I just don't use the same word? I thought they did mean they actually saw themselves as women. I want to be female but I don't see myself as a man or a woman and I don't think I would even if I was a cis girl like I want.

>>8620802
>I think something along the lines of "failed male" might be necessary, or at least, provide a large boost in need to transition.
This is a really dumb theory. Lawrence and Blanchard have both noted AGPs tend to be successful "alphas".

>>8620894
There's a lot of complexity here. I've recently become more sympathetic to the view that e.g. the nerdy programmer type is incredibly masculine, rather than being unmasculine. However, I suspect that such people might still benefit less from the social aspects of masculinity, or at least benefit in less obvious ways, than someone who is more traditionally masculine. So essentially, someone who is very masculine can still socially be a "failed male".

There's also likely another selection effect, where AGPs with more resources are better able to transition.

>>8620821
I honestly don't know. Maybe you're different in that you've got a more accurate understanding of yourself, whereas other AGPs are able to convince themselves that they really are feminine. It's hard to figure out.

I don't think it's fundamentally un-AGP to not see oneself as a woman.

>>8620913
>However, I suspect that such people might still benefit less from the social aspects of masculinity, or at least benefit in less obvious ways, than someone who is more traditionally masculine.

How would they benefit less and what are the less obvious ways?

>>8620913
It's like you're desperately trying to twist facts to support your views.

>>8620929
Very possible. That's why I just called it a "pet theory".

What I've generally found in my surveys is that AGP is far less strongly associated with dislike of being male than it is with desire to be female, and that there are things (e.g. a sort of weird nerdy social awkwardness) which are more strongly associated with dislike of being male than AGP.

>>8620925
This is a hard question to answer, because what you're asking about is examples of nonexistence; examples of ways that certain groups *don't* benefit from maleness.

I've honestly run out of patience for people who push this dumb bullshit. People know enough to :^) /pol/posters but for some reason they seriously engage this idea. I'm starting to think that free marketplaces of ideas just result in people buying snake oil.

>>8620954
Examples of benefits of maleness that only other groups benefit from work. less obvious benefits can have examples.

>>8620971
t. out of argument

>>8620993
You people don't care about arguments. Papers aren't read, professional opinion is disregarded, scientific consensus ignored. The standard modus operandi of conspiracy theorists.

>>8620918
>Maybe you're different in that you've got a more accurate understanding of yourself
yay! and then the reason I don't see myself as a man either is because I'm not masculine?

>>8619973
>NEver late to start to be happy, repression is not the way, babe.

For some of us repression is less painful than transition. Weed makes living as a dude much cozier. Wish I would of been a stoner years ago. There is some cool stuff about being a dude anyways its not all bad.

>>8620726
>A lot of AGPs see themselves as "unmasculine", or "failed males". The most common things to point at as examples of this would be a lack of interest in sports, and a lack of drive/confidence for dating women

Holy shit this is me lol. Have no interest in masc normie stuff and never had a girlfriend. I've butched up some from years of T exposure and living as a man though.

The determining factor is the physical attraction to the male body. That's it. If you are physically aroused by men you are homosexual. Look I'm HSTS. And it was confusing because I genuinely loved heterosexual sex. But I was only physically attracted to men. For example I only touched myself to men fucking women up the ass. Or to imagining a tough straight boy at school sexually dominating me. That kind of thing. But because I was completely convinced I was heterosexual I continued to seek out girls. I thought they were so beautiful, etc. and I dreamed about my favorite actresses and drew pictures of them. Almost obsessed. Turns out all these ladies looked like me lol. It wasn't until one girl I liked got too close to me. And it seemed like she wanted me to kiss her that reality hit me. Suddenly she seemed small and poor and ugly. I remember seeing how small her hand was. And I felt like it was all wrong and I had to get out of this situation. With men it was never like that. I knew what a naked man meant. And it was instant erection every single time. I craved strong dominant aggressive men. The fact was I figured out who I was when I discovered that straight men would fuck me if I took hormones. I checked the mirror. Saw I would look cute as a girl. And did it. Best decision ever. All these people talking about them playing with Barbies and blah blah blah. What the hell honestly. I never did any of that. I wouldn't say I was masculine. I never even really noticed any of that stuff. It wasn't until puberty that the horror started. Like my absolute refusal to take me clothes off in the locker room. And guys noticing. And people thinking I'm gay etc. But if you are genuinely attracted to women I don't think you qualify in that category.

>>8627306
Amazingly you actually do sound HSTS, unlike most of the trannies here who say they are. That revulsion towards women...

Very interesting that you didn't have the stereotypical feminine childhood for HSTSes. That certainly has implications for different interpretations of the types.

>>8627335
I'd like to meet other intelligent HSTS to compare notes. I never actually noticed that I was effeminate. It wasn't until puberty that life began to be really hard. Like the locker room. I can't explain it. I was generally a very quiet submissive sort of boy. I didn't like physical or any type of confrontation at all. But I remember. I was genuinely surprised at myself. I refused to take off my clothes in front of other boys. It was as if something in me said no. I won't do that. I stopped going to school cause I didn't want to go. Then my dad made me. At the time I really hated my dad. I thought he was a brute and treated me badly. When I started to undress I always wanted to make sure other boys didn't see my nakedness. (Mind you I didn't think any of this was out of the ordinary) So they noticed and some like to yank my shirt away so that I felt like my breasts were exposed. It was humiliating but I endured shit like that because I didn't know what else to do. If a guy were to hit me I honestly don't think I would actually fight back. It was like I couldn't understand how I could be in a situation like that with a boy. It was very confusing. Everything felt wrong. Idk. Rumors spread pretty quick that I was gay. But the weird thing was that it was other people that picked up on my effeminacy. I never thought about what I was doing. I didn't even consider whether I was feminine enough to pass. I just did it. And yeah now I can see that it comes pretty natural. Not quite like females. I have some tendencies to camp that my mom made me stop doing cause "women don't act like that" lol.

>>8627738
>I'd like to meet other intelligent HSTS
kek

Make do with contrasting notes with HSTS ftm, normal HSTSes and AGPs.

I did the same refusing to take my clothes off and I'm AGP. I didn't treat my chest like breasts though.

What are your camp tendencies?

>>8627930
I did a loose wrist thing. The most stereotypical of gestures lol. Idk. My mom says that I'm sometimes too feminine. The way I talk and laugh that kind of thing. Says men will get the wrong impression if I do things like that. I've always wondered what it's like to be AGP. Honestly being effeminate homosexual was very humiliating. But I always thought AGP had it worst cause people were so unsympathetic to you guys. And it's generally easier for people to understand HSTS.

>>8627738
I relate to not wanting to get undressed. Gym class was hell in so many ways. I absolutely did not want to take showers after class and avoided it as much as possible because I didn't want to expose myself. A few times I got thrown into the shower with my clothes on. Bad times.

>>8627997
>I've always wondered what it's like to be AGP.
In what way?

>But I always thought AGP had it worst cause people were so unsympathetic to you guys.
Most people don't know about AGP and HSTS. Then some will see being into girls as more normal, even if there's "so why did you transition" too.

>And it's generally easier for people to understand HSTS.
Normal people don't understand either. "I'm a girl on the inside" doesn't describe either.

>>8628013
I think we both probably suffer similar compromises to our body perception. But just have different sexualities. But I can't say for sure. Have you noticed anything interesting about the two types? I've never met a another trans person in life. All my friends are gay men.

>>8627738
>But the weird thing was that it was other people that picked up on my effeminacy.

Basically you give off signals and everyone else picks up on it. Being submissive in behavior doesn't help much. There's something that's just stuck with me even as I grew older and people just *know* what you are even when you say nothing and wear normal boys clothing. Some will make jokes, a lot of jokes. Some will see you as meek and try to defend you. Some will try to bully you into what they consider "shape". Many try to hurt you.

I don't get it myself. I rather hate it...

a straight transgender

>>8628049
Your right! Thank you so much! Being "a girl inside" does not describe either. I think it's brilliant to look ourselves in the face and go about empirically describing everything. Without worrying about whether we are female or not. Honestly when I first discovered myself it was as a distinct type of homosexual. I thought I was a homosexual that liked heterosexual sex. I never really thought I was a female. I like having a scientific mindset about things. Besides it keeps me at least grounded and mentally healthy.

I guess what do you think of Anne Lawrence? Do you think that her and Blanchard are correct about the one being an erotic target error and the other an extreme expression of homosexuality? I can say for my part that sexuality was the reason I transitioned.

>>8628052
I'm totally attracted to men and have only ever been with men sexually. If girls/women would come on to me before I transitioned, I always found it unpleasant and uncomfortable.
That said I never got involved with the gay scene or identified as gay before transitioning. I didn't come to being trans by the stereotypical HSTS route. Wanting to have sex with straight men was part of the motivation for transitioning but not the main reason. More important reasons for transitioning were that I felt I'd fit in better socially as a woman, and wanting match my perception of myself as female.
I did know one trans girl who was much more confident with men than I was. I haven't been in touch with her for years, but I was kind of jealous of how much better she was at reading men. She had a good sense for who would be safe and would be OK with her being trans. I'm still lacking in confidence with men, and I haven't always pursued the opportunities I've had because of that.

>>8628235
I didn't either lol. I genuinely thought I was heterosexual. I don't risk it with men that don't know though. But honestly most men are cool with you provided you are honest and real.

>>8628063
I was bullied a lot for effeminate behavior and appearance. I tried to tone it down after puberty started because of the bullying but I couldn't really repress it because I wasn't totally aware of all the ways I was effeminate. Once I got away from the HS bullies I was finally able to be myself and transition.

>>8628105
>I think it's brilliant to look ourselves in the face and go about empirically describing everything. Without worrying about whether we are female or not.
Totally. Understanding ourselves matters, whatever the truth is.

>I thought I was a homosexual that liked heterosexual sex.
I think this is equivalent to AGPs calling themselves male lesbians.

>Do you think that her and Blanchard are correct about the one being an erotic target error and the other an extreme expression of homosexuality? I can say for my part that sexuality was the reason I transitioned.
Yes. HSTS I think is less an extreme expression of homosexuality and more a way of handling extreme homosexuality. The more extreme the homosexuality the more of them will be HSTS, but not all will be and a minority of HSTSes will be less naturally feminine.

>>8628268
When I've been involved with men, it was always a friend of a friend deal, and they knew I was trans ahead of time. However people move and you lose touch, and at this point I'm too stealthy. I can't rely on friends of friends anymore. I'm not happy with this situation, and I guess I'm going to have to be a bit less stealthy. Outing myself to anyone is scary though.

>>8620021
>Also, bisexuality =/= pseudobisexuality. But blanchard proposes that bisexuality doesn't exist and that it is all the same.

This shit right here.

Wasn't it his buddy, J. Michael "Tranny Chaser" Bailey that did a study proposing the bi men are really gay and lesbians are just bisexuals in denial?

Like he recanted later, but in the same way Blanchard was like "AAP could be a thing... *I guess*."

Blanchard developed an interesting model, but it obviously has flaws.

>>8620565
Was that some kind of jab about autism?

>>8628461
Very astute.

>>8628458
>I know better than the experts!
>because it's obvious!

>>8628726
You sound thoroughly spooked, pham. Might I suggest gaining some respect for yourself and stop giving credence to degenerate beliefs like (((pschyology))) and (((sociology))).

>>8627306
Ok its messed that you didnt realize how gross women were until you slept with one. I'm AGP and what little hetero sex i've had felt very hot.

>>8627738
I was also quiet and submissive although quite large. Very beta but I could have a temper if pushed hard. I found the locker room awkward but I got through it. We never showered though.

I had issues with depression and anxiety, I was very awkward and possibly feminine in some ways. People didnt think I was gay though or did they? A boy I knew since elementary school came out to me and we experimented. How did he know I'd be safe to come out to? We weren't close buddies or anything just acquaintances. I enjoyed it but felt really bad about it because of my christianity, so I stopped seeing him. I'm no longer christian but I've never done gay stuff since. I've had pseudo bi fantasies for years since and I just shove it back in the closet.

>>8627997
Being AGP is weird and changes throughout your life. Basically being feminine feels good and makes you happy. It can also be a huge turn on. Being unable to be feminine feels bad. You're not always feminine to start but you feel a need to become more so.

For me it started with fantasizing about being a lesbian, than I developed transvestic fetishism, than I started to project myself into women, then I started to develop dysphoria over my body. Then I started seeing women and felt like I wanted to be them and be with them sexually. Luckily for me its become very manageable with weed.

>>8628726
The experts - as in the actual scientific community - reject Blanchard as seen in his theory's absence from every fucking diagnostic manual.

>>8629219
>healthcare careerists and professional gatekeepers > the people who actually study these things

>>8628837
>and possibly feminine in some ways.
How?

>>8631612
>The doctors don't know anything it's all a conspiracy! All of the REAL doctors are antivaxxers!

>>8634385
Was gay conversion therapy a conspiracy too?

>>8637660
>People believed in phlogiston ergo science is worthless

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>>8619598
>¿WHAT THE HELL AM I? I don't fit in any of the Blanchard's categories.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm this is really making me consider the potential outcomes of several logical operations

>>8634378
Dunno, just a suspicion that I might have had some non masculine body language or behavorial traits and had no clue. I was probably a bit autistic at the time and I really didnt fit into normie bro culture.

>>8638654
She doesn't understand Blanchard's categories well enough!

>>8628307
>I think this is equivalent to AGPs calling themselves male lesbians.
Huh

>>8637748
How is that an appropriate analogy?

>>8621042
>You people don't care about arguments.
>professional opinion is disregarded, scientific consensus ignored.
Hypocrite.

>>8619614
Underrated. Stop letting yourself feel like shit for not fitting in.

>>8652715
It's true and you idiots just don't understand it.

>>8637748
t. wanted to ECT gays

>>8629219
>The experts - as in anyone I agree with
FTFY

>>8620471
Evidence for the "big-five"?

>>8665318
>evidence
>in psychology

>>8668979
Not an argument.

>>8668979
Plenty of if you follow psychology on a research level rather then reading Lacan all day.

You can be neither.
Blanchard is a hack.

>>8672628
Evidence he's wrong?

>>8672633
Evidence he's right?

>>8672634
If you/>>8672628 don't have any evidence, just come out and admit it.

>>8672649
If you/>>8672649 don't have any evidence, just come out and admit it.

>>8672658
I take it from your shitposts since that >>8672628 was a lie from the start.

>>8619598
bi = agp

>>8619616
>It matters to me. I want to know where do I belong in the trans world.
Wherever you feel you're being "you". There is no trans world with neat little categories.

The only people pushing this shit are people on 4chan desperately trying to feel better about themselves by decided they are part of group A and group B is inferior.

Just be you. Whatever that means. Be true to yourself. Don't worry about 4chan's fucking idiotlabelshit.

>>8676223
>There is no trans world with neat little categories.
HSTS and A*P. BTFO.

>>8676223
People who browse 4chan, and I've met many of you cretins offline, are sad sacks. Not only do they share the isolate curse with the nerds of society, 4chan has also told them it's okay to shout like a monkey over every last one of your special snowflake viewpoints.

Basically I've never met anyone off 4chan who didn't have serious problems usually resulting in alcoholism or drug use. The /pol/tards are even worse about this because they're in denial half the time and the other half they're shouting about liberals too loudly for anything else to cut through.

I honestly treat every post on this site like it's from someone slowly killing themselves and just looking to drag others down to their level.