/ftmg/ - female to male general

How do I forgive myself for not transitioning earlier?
It's the stupidest thing as well, I wasn't repressing or never noticed the signs it was just like I was too fucking idle to actually sit down and think about it. I was the same way with my attraction to girls. It's like I accepted it but never stopped and thought, "hey wait I like girls/want to be a boy, girls don't normally like girls/want to be a boy, I guess I guess I might be "gay"/trans."
Now I ended up on hormones at 19 instead of blockers and t earlier and I could have gotten taller than 5'5" and had a bigger frame/hands and feet.

I don't think it helps either that one girls are taught it's normal to be masculine and want to be a boy unlike boys and two there wasn't as much coverage over trans men so it's hard to realise it's an option if you were as idle as I was.

>>8377627
Have you tried sucking it up and not being a bitch about it?

>>8377627
Try being me, who hid in the closet repressed until 24 even when I had the opportunity to transition as early as 18 *shrug*.

We all have regrets in life, but moping around about them isn't going to make you feel any better. Just be happy you're on T now and think about how much your life is going to improve from this point forward, because if you stay miserable you'll be saying the exact same thing when you're my age.

>>8377627
T doesn't help with height much, stop beating yourself up over that.
Can't change the past.

>>8377652
n-no

in the last thread some people commented and said i have enough growth for meta. thank you, i was worried.

>>8377652
Do you think you're talking to men or women?

>>8377627
>forgive myself

Stop looking in the rearview mirror. Learn to control thought patterns that lead to nothing but stress. If you discipline your mind over time through repeated redirection of thought patterns about unchangable things that will only bring you stress, you can being to operate at a higher level because you'll be focussed less on baggage and dumb shit like this. "Forgive yourself?" Try being a better person moment to moment so you won't have more regrets.

>>8377627
I've had this problem for a long time too. I was raised mostly with the idea that girls could do what boys do, like, and viceversa. Even though I always leaned towards "yes, girls and guys are equal, but I still don't want anything to do with girls' things, ew", even as a little kid, I still question whether I'm trans or just a turbotomboy. Now I'm 18 and about to come out so I can finally transition, after years of just thinking "nah, I'm sure girls generally feel like they want to be guys always".
I'm all for gender equality, but raising children in more gender neutral ways has proven before to not be a good idea.

>>8377627
What were the signs you missed?

>>8378920
>I was raised mostly with the idea that girls could do what boys do, like, and viceversa.
What do you feel dysphoria over? Did that treatment make anything more dysphoric?

>but raising children in more gender neutral ways has proven before to not be a good idea.
In what way? What should the differences be?

>>8377627
I couldn't transition at 15 like I wanted to. I had to wait till i was 25. I hate it but there's nothing you can do. But even many cisguys have feminine features like small hands and wider hips. We have a disadvantage but at least we are lucky enough to transition at all.

>>8379030
Why did you have to wait so long?

>>8379090
My family wouldn't let me as a minor. Then I was an idiot and figured it was a phase that would go away, so I waited.

>>8377627
Suck it up. Most people don't get to transition in their teens. My mom disowned me so I couldn't until I could afford it (& housing/food) myself.

>>8378985
>What do you feel dysphoria over? Did that treatment make anything more dysphoric?
I feel dysphoria over my body like a normal tranny, over thinking "too femininely", and acting too feminine, though the way I was raised makes me think "what if I'm just a tomboy and I'm being sexist, thinking a woman cannot act in manly ways?". It made me feel even more awful about my behavior because it made it so my mind was playing an eternal game of tug-of-war, one side pulling towards "it's okay to be a manly woman" and the other going "accept you're trans".
Now, if I'm like that, then how do I know I am actually trans? Even if I was raised on a gender neutral environment, I tended to lean towards boy things as a kid, wanting to be one of them: hanging out with boys, playing boy games and with boy toys, etcetera, while also being repulsed of girly things (hell, it took me more than a decade to admit I liked the colour pink because I didn't want to seem girly). Of course, I did have some girl friends, and liked some girl toys, but I usually said "yeah but only because they're cool, they aren't like the rest". This way of acting carried on for the rest of my life, in a less immature way obviously (I hang out mostly with chicks now (mostly because I'm too nervous of trying to be with the guys), I can admit I like a varied assortment of things), though the most radical evidense of it being after puberty, where body dysphoria started appearing because of the changes introduced by estrogen (though it got actually intense after I started suspecting I wasn't cis), and I noticed the only way I could get off to porn was if I imagined myself to be the guy in any given scenario, plus starting to hang out more with chicks made me realize they didn't feel in the same way I did about these things.

(cont., god I talk too much)

>>8379112
Why didn't they let you? How obviously trans were you?

>>8378985
>>8379228
>In what way? What should the differences be?
I'm not sure. From what I've gathered from what I read, it could be because it's about being raised without a clear concept of identity: we are an mammal like any other with division of male and female, and as so naturally lean to having different behaviors, tastes, and whatnot. Generally kids are raised to conform to female or male identity, which gives them more of a sense of what an identity consists on; of course, they can later choose to like things that don't conform to the stereotypes, but that'd be even more of a testament that they know what their identity should be. However, when you raise your kids in a more gender neutral way, you aren't making what an identity is clear to the child, which could make them take much longer to really find out who they are, what they are, if anything about themselves is outside of the norm and why; the mind knows the identity of the kid, but it hasn't learned how to express it.
I honestly wouldn't know an alternative, I'm not an expert in child psychology by any means (though, saying that, then my opinion doesn't really have any merit). The young mind is very complicated.

>>8379229
My mom thought it was a phase, and understandably worried about the process. The whole transgender thing wasn't out in the open like it is now. But I was very much trans. They just thought I was a lesbean. I was dating a girl in my early 20's but she forgot about me.

>>8379229
DA (>>8379193) but I have the same story pretty much. Always men's clothes & short hair as a kid, had huge distress about my body being too feminine during puberty, started doing research on transitioning in grade school, tried to join Big Brothers/Little Brothers and got kicked out...

At the time in my country being FTM was almost impossible though. You could not get HRT unless you did 1 year of living as a male without HRT. If you were under 18, gay, or not convincing enough, the only option was reparative therapy.

Things have changed a lot in a decade and change.

My gf got blackout drunk last night and told me she's always wanted to be a boy. She doesn't seem to remember it now. Should I bring it up or not? I don't want her to transition, but I'm not sure I can go on in good conscious without saying anything.

>>8379420
Doesn't hurt to discuss it with her.

>>8379420
If you're a guy then she's just AAP. If you're a lesbian then she's HSTS.

>>8378140
Straight cis guy here. I just blew a ridiculous load while thinking about being balls deep in you and stroking you.

>>8379420
Make her dress up like a dude and fuck her in the ass while calling her a dirty little faggot.
If she likes it, then she's a trans. If not then she's not a fan of anal so you should dick her snatch and try again.
If she doesn't like it after that then try oral domination and throat fucking.
If she simply doesn't like any of it then she's just like many people who idealize some fantasy or idea and think it will "fix everything" but will never test it out because on some level the know that it will never work.

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>>8379473
>a trans
Noah fence but trans is an adjective

>>8379420

I think bringing it up would be the right thing to do.

>>8379549
And woman isn't but you'd never guess it from the way people speak. But where are you then?

>>8379473
I'm glad you had an orgasm, but you probably wouldn't be attracted to me irl since I have had mastectomy and been on hrt long enough for my face to have masculinized. I also smell like a man and have a hairy beer belly.

>>8379449
okay seriously keep this bullshit in /mtfg/

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>>8379706
>face to have masculinized. I also smell like a man and have a hairy beer belly.
damnit...

>>8380033
Im confused, what do you think ftms are?

>>8380057
A couple of warm wet almost too tight holes to jack hammer mercilessly and unload in.

I have a cut off point with FtMs. When you guys are no T and early transition too post T and not passing very well and have a bit of body hair.
You're getting this thick hot dick in any hole I damned well want.

Once you're passing pretty well and you look and smell like a guy. You're just a guy. Will fist bump and hang and even help you Eifel tower and DP your old lady. But none of those holes are getting the daddy dick.

>>8380065
I'll say it again. You want a tomboy, not a ftm. Or one of those tumblrfags. Now go rape one of them instead.

>>8380065
>You're getting this thick hot dick in any hole I damned well want.
good luck with that, but yeah like >>8380330
said you don't actually want a ftm.

For how long do y'all think it'd be a good idea to go without hysto? I want to start T, but I'm worried about having to get that surgery in ~2 years and having to miss out on a year at uni for it

>>8378140
I've been on six months and mine isn't even a fraction of yours, lmao.

I'd blow you.

>>8379944
Seconded.

>>8380065
Dude, just get a tomboy with a big clit.

>>8380065
You should date a female bodybuilder man, they often use gear but do things to stay feminine

>>8380330
>>8380527
>tfw mtf
>tfw ywn be the perfect tomboy gf for that anon

For post mastectomy anons, what scar treatments did you use?

>>8379235
Listen, I'm not a child psychologist either, but I was raised in a gender neutral setting. As in, my parents just let me dress how I wanted, play with whoever I wanted and with whatever toy I liked. I started gravitating towards videogames and little socialization because I couldn't care less about other kids, I didn't care about being a boy or a girl, because its not *that* relevant in a prepubescent child. Once puberty hits, and your body changes, then no matter how you were raised, if you're trans it'll destroy you psychologically. Anatomical dysphoria doesn't depend on upbringing, doesn't spring from identity issues, not from gender norms. It's an independent feeling that has jackshit to do with societal roles. You anatomy is wrong, not your interests or sexual orientation. That's all side shit. What made me realize I was trans wasn't the "I want to do boy things because I don't like doing girl things", it was the "I will kill myself if my body doesn't look male". It's way different.
If anything, making kids grow up gender neutral helps weed out the fake trannies. People who transition because they were forced into either gender role and think that to do the opposite they need to be the opposite gender too.

>>8380843
>Once puberty hits, and your body changes, then no matter how you were raised, if you're trans it'll destroy you psychologically.
Or you just weren't raised gender neutral enough to stop that.

>>8380850
Dysphoria stems from brain sex not matching body sex. It has nothing to do with how you were raised.

>>8380843
I wrote all that at around ~1AM, so sorry if I wasn't clear. I meant to say that a gender neutral upbringing isn't the thing that causes transgenderism, but that it can make you think you aren't actually trans because you're used to thinking that the things you do are independent of your gender identity. I agree that transgenderism in itself isn't dependant of upbringing or socirty.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeilEyvvGm7oWgj3uzWU-NxBWnTmzi6IaMmU_z1caPXbEIsIw/viewform?usp=sf_link

for those of you with asperger's (or who suspect it)

>>8380911
No I got your point, and that's exactly what I mean, that if you have anatomical dysphoria, which is the worst kind, then no matter how you were raised you'll realize you're trans because the upbringing doesn't change your body perception. You'll know the body is wrong regardless of that.
>>8380850
TruNeutral is given blockers until they're able to decide their gender! I was blind to the obvious

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>>8381065
how the fuck do girls with aspergers even act like

there were some girls in my social skills group but we didnt interact much and i didn't pay attention

>>8381105
But you might not think it's a symptom of transsexuality and girls are always expected to have body image issues and stuff
I'm a different anon but it took me 10 years to start questioning if I might be trans even though I knew about FtMs cause wanting a flat chest and dick didn't seem weird enough
Like you sometimes hear how some female anorexics starve to get rid of tits and periods and stuff so that means some girls must be uncomfortable with it
You never hear that some FtM do the same shit too, you only hear how they never wanted to wear dresses and shit

>>8381177
Google it, there's some references on it on the internet. But basically they tend to learn how to fit in better.

>>8381188
yeah i've read about it but it's hard to understand without ever seeing it in person

There are no sources that provide relatable detailed examples just vague descriptions

>>8381177
Hyper vigilance for body language cues. They do not process the innately, or unconciously, it is like a running commentary: the other party has turned their feet away from you, they want to leave this conversation, run script: stop_talking

>>8381177
Body image issues aren't *that* specific, in the way that girls with body image issues don't exactly want a dick, or bigger bones, or thicker wrists, different skull shape, a deeper voice, you name it. It's not as specific, and lots of FtMs go through anorexia phases as well, what are you talking about? EDs are common as fuck among trannies because it's a way to cockblock puberty and to hide your body shape, but the main discomfort is focused on sexually dimorphic characteristics, it's not about wanting to mimic some tabloid model with skinny legs and little tits because that's the new beautiful (if we go by the definition that anorexic girls are influenced by modern beauty standards). Not everybody was forced to wear dresses and shit.

>>8380808
You 100% need silicone. You can get gels or sheet forms.
Check this out: http://transguys.com/features/scar-care#natural

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How intensive is the process of going thru informed consent?

>>8381221
This. I was anorexic for a while during puberty because I was depressed, hated myself, and wanted to stop what puberty was going to do to my body. Shark week left me suicidal beyond repair and I couldn't always tell the difference between cramping and hunger, so in a ball of massive self loathing I instead of being a cutting fag just barely ate instead.

Worked out well actually, my chest ended up never getting past A cup size. I've gained like 30 pounds on T and life is so much better now.

>>8381221
>and lots of FtMs go through anorexia phases as well, what are you talking about? EDs are common as fuck among trannies because it's a way to cockblock puberty and to hide your body shape, but the main discomfort is focused on sexually dimorphic characteristics, it's not about wanting to mimic some tabloid model with skinny legs and little tits because that's the new beautiful (if we go by the definition that anorexic girls are influenced by modern beauty standards). Not everybody was forced to wear dresses and shit.
I mentioned this myself?
I'm not sure what you didn't get

>>8381491
>>8381221
Wait I get it now but I don't know how to explain what I said before

>>8381459
Same. I starved myself from 13 to 18 and my body kept looking like a 12yo boy's. If i could go back in time I'd do it again, not gonna lie. Blockers weren't a thing when I was 13.

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The military anon from the last thread is a pretty cool dude. I want to take him on a date.

>>8379112
I thought it was a phase when I was 15, too. Didn't come out until this year, at 22. I've been on hormones for 6 months though and it's fucking magical, so I'm not upset about it. One of my ftm buddies only started transitioning at 27 and he feels great. It's...not really that big of a deal to wait until you're an adult, Anon.

>>8381459
>>8381572
Bonus points is the fact that I don't even have to bind. But I don't go shirtless because it looks like I have gyno.

my boyfriends sister is hot
y do they have such good genetics

>>8381681
I can't either because yeah looks like gyno plus I'm still Auschwitz levels of skinny so the small nipple bump just looks fucking weird. But i don't need a binder which is especially good in the summer

>>8381691
If you're on T start eating my man. Get out of Auschwitz mode.

>>8381741
Yeah I am, but I went on it just recently and I still have to get out of the "if i gain weight I'll start puberty" mindset. Probably gonna need a nutritionist or some shit.

Any of you guys got any Transthetics products? I'd love to have the EZP, having read and seen many good reviews on it, but it's so damn expensive.
What are some other good STPs that can double as packers? An anon in the previous thread mentioned the Model D Sport by Formfunction, but I've read they can be messy and make it look like you have a boner.

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>>8382061
I'm actually trying to get rid of mine since I want the Rod. Only used it twice honestly. It's okay but I always found the GoGirl way easier to use, plus it's only 10 bucks.

>>8380500
I've heard you do need to get hysto within 5 years of being on T because you have a high chance of developing some form of cancer* due to T.
*don't remember if it was cervical or uterus or ovarian. Some kind of girl cancer.

So by no means are you in a rush to get hysto, but you probably should plan for it.
Although I have wondered.. if you do develop this cancer, do you think regular insurance would cover the hysto?

>>8381338
Not intensive at all. In my case, the doctor just explained the effects of T, health risks caused by T, etc. and I had to sign a couple papers saying "yes I understand what I'm getting into"
They will talk to you a bit about dysphoria and it helps your credentials if you're seeing a gender therapist (not required though), but it only took one appointment to get prescribed T for me.

>>8382659
regular insurance covers cancer care and hystorectomy is a common cure for ovarian cancer that hasn't metastasized

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I'm lying on my couch with my guinea pig on my chest. We've been relaxing here for the past 10 minutes until I just now felt her warm piss dripping through my binder and all over my boi tits. I'm utterly disgusted but too tired/lazy to get up to clean myself off and change so I'm still sitting here petting my guinea pig while browsing 4chan on my phone

>>8382844
How does it feel being a complete failure?

>>8380330
>>8380448
>>8380527
>>8380744

Fuck you!
I'll take an FtM to pound town if I goddamned well want.
The fuck are you going to do about it? Fine me?
Call the orgasm police?
OH NOES!
SOME INNOCENT TRANSMAN WAS LEAD ASTRAY BY A HORSE DICKED STRAIGHT CIS MALE
HE SPENT HOURS FUCKING HIM HALF TO DEATH AND GAVE HIM MULTIPLE ORGASMS AND CREAMPIES!
HOW DARE HE GIVE HIM WHAT FEMME CIS MALES HAVE SPENT MANY MOONS BEGGING HIM FOR!

Just stop replying, guys.

>>8383066
>HORSE DICKED STRAIGHT

obvious LARPer is obvious

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mfw

>>8383082
Why? I thought we were having fun? You guys are too damned serious, even the suicidally depressed assholes on /r9k/ are less serious then you fuckers.

>>8383088
I'm unfortunately, very straight. And you're right, it's not horse dick huge. But a bit under ten inches is nothing to sneeze at.
I'm only 6 inches in girth so...I'm a major pencil dick.

>>8383905
Post dick.

I want a cute FtM to be my bf now. I don't know how you guys feel about chasers...I'm not sure even if I am one. But I'd love to do bro shit with one of you, I regret not responding to one guy on CL. He responded to me a few weeks later though.

>>8384009
What state are you?

>>8384009
Chasers are fine as long as they aren't 'straight' guys like confused rape anon, 'lesbians', want weird mpreg stuff, and as long as they know if they see us as interchangeable toys then they understand they are too (hook-ups not relationships)

For a broad definition of chasers

>>8383989
A/S/L?

I want to do a low dose of T on informed consent without telling anyone right now. How long do you think I can hide it?

>>8384782

Milo Stewart's been on androgel for about 6 months and it's just now starting to show in terms of voice (acne and shit seemed to come in pretty fast though), might be a good measuring stick.

are any of you over thirty and still have hair?

in my late twenties, thinking of transitioning, worry about bald. all the dudes on both sides of my family have bad mpb

>>8384782
Depends how low. I did .25cc every 2 weeks (50mg) for 6 months and my voice became noticeable to others at 4 months. Got the "Do you have a cold?" thing.

>>8384940 Milo is a good measuring stick. I suggest to >>8384782 to try androgel.

>>8384956
FWIW, I transitioned and went 90% bald. Cut my T dose in half last summer and my hair is growing back. Approaching 60% bald.

Do trans guys on T go through the same things trans girls go through in reverse?

Have you experienced:

-your olfactory sense diminishing
-colors seeming less vivid and overall color perception worsening
-losing interest in political activism beyond flexing your debate muscles and gaining prestige
-developing a tendency to sit spread legged even when not consciously trying to?

>>8385135
Have you considered finasteride and/or minoxidil? Testosterone does not cause hair loss by itself, but dihydrogen testosterone (DHT). Finasteride blocks metabolization of DHT. However, I don't know what effects that might have if you are effectively still going through puberty.

>>8385135
How old were you? How many years did it take?

>>8385629
I thought it'd have transformed me into a meat eating animal abuser, and yet here I am, still a vegan faggot. It didn't erase the animal activism, difference is now I can punch in the face as a form of aggressive debate.

>>8385629
>your olfactory sense diminishing
My sense of smell has not changed

>colors seeming less vivid and overall color perception worsening
This has also not changed

>losing interest in political activism beyond flexing your debate muscles and gaining prestige
I was never interested in politics, nor am I now

>developing a tendency to sit spread legged even when not consciously trying to?
I've always sat spread legged so no change here either

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>>8382659
>tfw get cancer to get a free hysto

>>8385629
>-your olfactory sense diminishing
No, I still have an above average sniffer.

>-colors seeming less vivid and overall color perception worsening
I had issues with my color vision before transition, dad is red/green color blind but I seem to just have issues with hues.

>-losing interest in political activism beyond flexing your debate muscles and gaining prestige
I was a asshole on the internet without T

>-developing a tendency to sit spread legged even when not consciously trying to?
My ass crack gets sweaty and needs air, bro, always has... always will.

I think MtFs are just desperate for results and psychosomatically come up with bullshit to cling to as a distraction during early hon years.

I don't understand how some people can un-ironically say you can't police people's identities but still disagree with rachel dolezal.

Reminder that if you transition and you don't turn out very masculine, you should detrans

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>>8386107
>Reminder that if you transition and you don't turn out very masculine, you should detrans
Cool story, bro.

>>8386144
Why would you transition to male if you aren't going to be very masculine?

>>8386151
Transition is about changing your secondary sex characteristics so they match up with your gender identity/brain sex. Not about how masculine or feminine you are.

>>8386144
Woah, is that really young rdj? How old is he there? He looks like a hispanic lesbian.

>>8386209
Your dinkers isn't a 2ndary sex characteristic, ya bungalow.

>>8386209
Being masculine or feminine is a huge part of it.
They help determine whether you pass or not

>>8386209
>Citation needed

>>8386209
>brain sex

Do you also believe in phrenology?

>>8386231
Brain sex doesn't mean women and men have different personalities or that one sex is inherently better. Just that your brain expects you to have certain body parts.

This is a compilation of neurological studies done on trans people.
>http://helpfultransinfo.tumblr.com/post/157730638560

>>8386246
>http://helpfultransinfo.tumblr.com/post/157730638560

>>8382667
>gender therapist
you people really need to be gassed holy shit

>>8386246
All of those findings could be related environmental factors that are incidentally correlated with gender identity.

>>8386254
It's from tumblr, is that what you're upset about? It links to studies from other sites, all peer reviewed.

>>8386246
>here's a list of transphobic MDs agreeing with my brain-sex phrenology based on small-size studies describing unexplained correlations

lmao get outta here

You can explain all of that via hypothesizing that trans people exercise their brains in ways similar to cis people of their own gender, or by various causes such as abuse which is incredibly common among trans people. You're just creating whole new paradigms of trutrans criteria that will invariably lead to harsher gatekeeping if we don't criticize this. You're not helping.

>>8386319
Proving that trans people have brains more similar to their true gender than to their biological sex is transphobic?

>>8386333
That wasn't really what I was saying (although usually the answer is yes when cis people say it). If you look at the studies, they invariably use transphobic language that prove that anyone involved in those studies isn't really interested in learning about trans people as people, or even as men and women of their gender, but as medical literature. The first linked study describes the test group as "12 non-homosexual transsexual men" aka trans women.
These studies are made by transphobes, designed to alleviate their anxieties and the anxieties of other trans people. This isn't and will never be about us. There is a severe lack in research about HRT, all prescriptions are a shot on the dark more or less, and there massive barriers in a lot of places to get treatment. Yet cis doctors are much more interested in proving to themselves that we are real, to this day. They aren't doing this because they are confident in our identites and accept our needs as real and urgent.

>>8386357
*and the anxieties of other cis people

>>8386255
lol wut

>>8386319
>whole new paradigms of trutrans criteria that will invariably lead to harsher gatekeeping
good

>>8386425
Spoiler: you'll be gatekept but the NB from the tumblog next door gets T because their brain data matches with the trutrans results.

>>8386429
>implying I'm a disgusting tranny
>implying I don't just enjoy the thought of you worthless failed males getting skittleblock'd so you kill yourselves faster

I say all trannies should be gatekept again. The problem becomes self regulating then. :^)

>>8386425
my trans friends in conservative countries go through a ridiculous amount of gatekeeping, so i dont want that in the USA. a diagnosis of sex dysphoria ruling out any other issues that could mimic dysphoria is enough IMO.

>>8386357
i agree with some parts of your post (transphobic language in studies) but i think its extremely important to do more study on trans peoples brains and for everyone to know that this is a medical condition, not a choice. cis people are more likely to accept us if they know we are not doing this to be special/transcend gender (ugh)/escape from gender roles. also, my only criteria for being trans is the person having sex dysphoria not caused by anything else.

>>8386440
>but i think its extremely important to do more study on trans peoples brains and for everyone to know that this is a medical condition

It isn't and it will no longer be considered one as of the next ICD update.

Cis people who don't accept us now won't be swayed by any catalogue of studies. It's a fruitless endeavor. Especially the ones that can read critically and who'll see that these studies are really poor in their conclusions and don't even make real sense. For example, in the steroid sniffing study (the first one) they tested a compound that is shown to excited straight cis women and gay cis men... but the subjects of the study were gay trans women. What did this prove, exactly?

>>8386477
so if it's not a medical condition then does that mean I don't need treatment for it or have it covered by my country's health service?

>>8386511
Gender dysphoria is a medically relevant condition. Being trans is not a medical condition.

Transness was demedicalized in my country in the 80s. lots of trans people died because they could not access HRT and surgery, until the 2010s when it was deemed medically necessary again. Anti science attitudes are scary to me because if being trans becomes an identity instead of a medical condition, it could happen again.

>>8386549
>this autistic Blanchardian pseudoscience that you can be trans without being dysphoric

The gender TF brigade marches on! Continue warping people's minds for the sake of your fetish, freak.

>>8386560
Why would I be on the side of one of the worst proponents of psychopatholigization of transness?

>>8386560
Gender dysphoria is an easily verifiable medical condition, while gender is a mystery to everyone, which has been completely unquestioned and continues to be unquestioned to be a deeply rooted bias of the medical community. How can you prove that being trans-gender is a medical condition when gender is not even been proven to exist?

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>>8386574
Yeah, that DSM is just a conspiracy! It's all big pharma, I tells ya! Facts don't matter anymore, it's all just whatever I want to believe~! It's all that NU MEDIA, honest!!!!! It's controlled by the NWO trying to STEAL YOUR BRAIN!!!111one

Praise kek!

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>>8386591
>gender is a mystery to everyone

Stopped reading. Freak xirgender.

>>8386592
So homosexuality used to be a mentall illness until 1973, when it suddenly objectively stopped being that?

>>8386591
Gender is proven to exist. Male and female brains have differences, and trans people have brains closer to their true gender than to their biological sex.

Unfortunately, terfs/gender critical feminists have managed to get the concept of gender being a social construct popular. Gender roles, expectations for people of a certain gender, etc are all socially constructed. Gender is biological and trans people happen when gender doesn't match biological sex.

>>8386600
All explanations of gender are pure speculation.

>>8386621
>Male and female brains have differences, and trans people have brains closer to their true gender than to their biological sex.

That hasn't been proven by anything. The studies are all small scale and the interpretation of the results are wishful thinking and don't make sense compared to other studies.

compare with >>8386477

>>8386615
>Antipsychs can only ever drag up 50+ year old corrections from the age when everyone was schizophrenic and forcefed antipsychotics and use it as proof for anything but science marching on

>>8386622
t. xirgender

>>8386636
Transsexuality is literally going to be removed from the ICD-10 within this decade, like what's your point?

>>8386634
Yeah, keep shouting "I KNOW MORE THAN EVERY OTHER SCIENTIST ON EARTH".

I'm sure we'll all be convinced by your "epik" critique of MRI scans, you glorious armchair.

>>8386634
Another case of an internet idiot thinking they know more than actual scientists.

>>8386641
Now you're taking on the role of prognosticator borne of wishful thinking. Why is everyone on 4chan obsessed with being le polymath? You're not half as clever as you want to believe.

>>8386643
Yeah I'm delusional for believing the informed opinion of psychiatrists who disagree with the conclusions based on those studies, while you are enlightened for blindly believing the results you want to hear without critical reflection.

>>8386653
Nice, no citations! You're even claiming to have "colleagues" in your bubble world now.

>Armchairs cherry pick all the people who happen to agree with them, rely on parroting the intellectuals for any critique they might use toward their own end, and then dare to call themselves original thinkers

>>8386653
A very small group of psychiatrists disagree and still believe that being trans is some issue other than the brain and body's sexes not matching. There are also medical doctors who think cancer can be cured with bitter almond extract.

>>8386650
http://psychnews.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.pn.2016.8a15

>>8386679
>One man's op-ed you took more seriously because it had a DOI (the classic pseud mistake)
>august 2016

lyyyyyyyyyyyyyyl wishful thinking strikes again. Gonna enjoy your tears when gender dysphoria's in in 2018.

>>8386679
>Yet one ICD-11 controversy remains: whether GIC should be retained. The main argument against retention is that a medical diagnosis is potentially harmful to children. Although young children do not receive medical services for GIC, treatment often consists of specialized supportive mental health services as well as family and social (for example, school) interventions. The working group recommended retention with the rationale that doing so preserves access to care for a vulnerable and already stigmatized group.


>the working group recommended retention

Enjoy diagnosis

>>8386667
Why does everyone believe the study that says trans lesbians have brains most similar to gay men and straight cis women?

You don't have to trust someone just because they have an MD or PhD. Neurology, sexology, and psychology are fields ridden with medicore studies drawing subpar conclusions from narrow data. The brain sex hypothesis is not an unassailable theory, but a hotly debated and speculative idea that caught on with mainstream liberal media, nothing else.

What's a good hair style with a guy who just stated T last month?

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>>8386694
Yeah yeah it's all that NWO CONTROLLED LIBRUL MEDIA

the JEWS did this!!!! 1488!!! le redpill!!!

praise kek!

cringe-warrior

>>8386687
Did you read the article?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5032510/

Is this better?

"The ICD‐11 abandons ICD‐10 terms such as “opposite sex” and “anatomic sex” in defining the condition, using more contemporary and less binary terms such as “experienced gender” and “assigned sex”. Unlike ICD‐10, the proposed ICD‐11 diagnostic guidelines do not implicitly presume that all individuals seek or desire full transition services to the “opposite” gender."

Big Man Science says that you don't have to experience body dysphoria to be trans, by the way.

>>8386740
>point was and I quote: "Transsexuality is literally going to be removed from the ICD-10"

>in fact just got a name change and you're desperately cherry picking to avoid this reality

Quit pretending to "speak for science" you moron. You're only boiling the blood of reactionary anti-scientismfags. and convincing no one.

>>8386792
>It's just being renamed
>and they changed the diagnostic criteria
>so it's still there even though they removed it

Hmm...

>tfw it wasn't the tripfag who shit up the thread

Life goals

>>8386838
>>8386838
>Let me mental gymnastics my way out of a name change

Nope. Let me quote the passage since you seem scared of it outside of your cherry pick for some strange reason:

>The proposed ICD‐11 diagnostic requirements for Gender incongruence of childhood are considerably stricter than those of ICD‐10, in order to avoid as much as possible the diagnosis of children who are merely gender variant. All three of the following essential features must be present: a) a strong desire to be, or an insistence that the child is, of a different gender; b) a strong dislike of the child's own sexual anatomy or anticipated secondary sex characteristics, or a strong desire to have the sexual anatomy or anticipated secondary sex characteristics of the desired gender; and c) make believe or fantasy play, toys, games, or activities and playmates that are typical of the experienced gender rather than the assigned sex. The third essential feature is not meaningful without the other two being present; in their absence it is merely a description of gender variant behaviour. These characteristics must have been present for at least two years in a prepubertal child, effectively meaning that the diagnosis cannot be assigned prior to the age of approximately 5 years.

>The proposed diagnostic guidelines for both Gender incongruence of adolescence and adulthood and Gender incongruence of childhood indicate explicitly that gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not sufficient for making a diagnosis; some form of experienced anatomic incongruence is also necessary.

>treatments aimed at suppressing gender‐variant behaviours in children are increasingly viewed as unethical.

in reality it's a lot more difficult to be diagnosed with nu-transsexualism than the old one. Sucks for you worthless Yurohons and underageb& doesn't it? Enjoy the gatekeeping! Enjoy third genderism!

https://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

>>8387001
>in reality it's a lot more difficult to be diagnosed with nu-transsexualism than the old one

That passage only relates to gender incongruence in children, who are not eligible for hormone treatment anyway. The diagnosis is only included for the sake of aiding trans children in their social transition and to ease their entry into puberty. They do not classify gender-variance as a diagnosis because it is not something you can or should treat.

>treatments aimed at suppressing gender‐variant behaviours in children are increasingly viewed as unethical.

How would that anything but help potentially trans children?

>>8387043
Weren't you gonna be locked up for a while or something?

>>8387265
yeah, just got out today

>>8387314
Well, welcome back, how was it?

>>8387314
How long were you in for? What was it for (I missed the story)?

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>>8387340
lots of awkward forced socialization that you didn't actually have to do but felt like you were obligated to do it anyways, daily schedule type thing. At least the food was good and I got the help that I needed.

I feel like I forgot how to be a shitposter now and became a semi-normie.
I never want to go back

>>8387359
in for a week and a day, for schizophrenia
not actually locke

>>8387368
>>8387359
shit auto respond cut me off
not actually locked up but in a mental ward.

>>8387368
>>8387371
More boring than prison. Why did they need you in for the schizophrenia? Did they manage to help?

Why does T feel so good?
I've been so happy since I've been on it

Who here has a manly 33" underbust

>>8387418
feels good to feel right man

>>8387403
I admitted myself because I thought I was a danger to other people
yeah, I'm on meds now and it seems to be helping

>>8387486
Yeah it does
Every since I cut my hair, got on T and changed my name, I felt so much better

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Is Emisil's Compact STP literally just Transthethics' EZP? The only difference I see between the two is that Emisil's looks cheaper/less exageratedly realistic.

>>8387497
Glad to see you around, man. It's good to know you're ok now.

>>8383039
rude

I'm back.
Just got a fat hard on while thinking about brutally powerfucking a horny transboy who only thinks he doesn't want to use his front hole.

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>>8387497
I've begun to develop schizophrenia after taking T. It runs in my family (both sides) so it's not a real surprise to anyone. Care to write a little bit about your experience? I'm at the stage now where I am starting to have short term delusions and hear voices pretty frequently (coworkers while I'm at home, etc) but don't want to see a doctor because it hasn't started to affect my ability to function.

>>8390125
See a doctor ASAP, they can help prevent it from progressing to a stage where it's really bad.

>>8379235
I completely agree with this.
Even thou being trans will eventually come out,not raising your kids with a direction for their identity (not forcing them,directing them different) is leaving open doors to confusions and identity lost.

>>8390185
Do you know if seeing a doctor will mean that I'll get thrown on antipsychotics immediately? Because I'd rather not take any kind of medication, that shit fucks with your brain and does more damage in the long run than the actual condition it's meant to treat does. I've read they slow you down and I work a fast paced active job.

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>>8390125
>according to my mother I have had symptoms since I was 8 years old when I was drugged up on adderall
>made me both violent and hallucinate
>started with just hallucinating bugs and auditory
>hearing my name being called when it wasn't.
>eventually turned into seeing "dead people"
>at "high school" years old on this new years took acid
>thats when I started experiencing delusions, hallucinations
>all the symptoms of psychosis
>thought I was the controller of the world but that my brother was controlling me
>thought I had to die for whatever reason
>if I died the world would be destroyed
>fought the feeling and still do every time I freak out
>thought that acid was the answer to the universe and ended up taking it 4 more times in 2 weeks.
>eventually fell out of that delusion because acid was making things worse
>thought I was god for 1 whole month
>thought I was jesus for a week
>thought I was lucifer himself for 3 months
>not religious in the slightest
>still think that people can hear my thoughts
>tactory hallucinations such as feeling hugs and pins and pins and needles on my head

fuck schizophrenia
also runs in my family on my fathers side, was 2 months on T at the point it first started popping up so I dont know or care if it was T or acid or genetics that caused this
and thinking I was the controller of the world only made me feel like a shitty person

>>8390258
I sympathize with the crazy homeless dudes on the street now.

>>8379420
Sounds like my sister. She gets blackout drunk frequently and said the same thing to me a few months back. I haven't mentioned it to her either. Told my mom though.

Does your girlfriend happen to have a compass tattoo on her hand?

>>8390258
>think people can hear my thoughts

Me as fuck dude. I also wonder if I accidentally say things aloud sometimes or if I'm just hallucinating responses. I'm also starting to make connections to things that I figure out later don't make sense, i.e. "that man looked at me funny, that must mean he's hacked my phone and saw all of my 4chan posts" type of shit

4 months on T here, I've been dropping acid for going on 2 years now though, had my first mushroom experience 3 years ago. Weed definitely makes the voices louder.

I think T just made me develop schizo earlier than I already would've.

>>8390265
Had she shown other signs of being unhappy with her gender? What did your mom say about it?

>>8385629
> olfactory sense diminishing
Yes wtf. My buddy just said he noticed the same thing. Huh.

>>8385633
I tried minoxidil for a year. Got tired of it. Daily application and flakiness when it dried. Not going to fuck around with finasteride. Thanks for the suggestion.

>>8382659
> need hysto after 5 years because cancer
No link has been found between testosterone and female reproductive cancer. You reading Hudson's guide or some other Aiden-producing piece of crap?

>>8390289
My mom said she was surprised. My sister shows some body dysphoria. She asked my mom for a breast reduction when she was 15, and now at 25 she tries to stay stick thin and avoid bras.

>>8385633
>>8390321
FYI, the minoxidil worked great. It was just tedious.

>>8390321
I used minox for about a month and a half before giving up, you shouldn't be outside in the sun with it on and I wanted to be outside more since the weathers nicer. I noticed that it made my laugh lines deepen a little but they went back to normal after 2 weeks of not using it.

Did you notice any permanent changes to your skin?

>>8382061
Literally anything in the 3-5in range by ECProsthetics will work great as stp+packer.

Also, model d is shit, the silicone is rock hard and the harness makes it sit too low.

What's the most efficient way to get rid of your facial hair? I'm still in girl mode and I'm starting to grow a stubble. I want to make it less noticeable but I don't want to fuck up my chance of growing a beard.

>>8390360
Is she straight?

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>>8377701
>hide in the closet until I was 28 out of fear of family members disowning me
>Finally forced to come out over some bullshit drama that couldn't be avoided
>Everyone is incredibly supportive and accepting, moreso than ever before
FUCK

>>8391075
>over some bullshit drama that couldn't be avoided
?

>moreso than ever before
???

>>8391057
try hair removal cream, or just shaving

>>8391080
The drama is a long story, but the latter is because I've always been illusive and frustrated and secretive from my family for obvious reasons but once they knew why they've backed off if that makes any sense.

Any gay transguys here that are mostly, or only, tops?

>>8391109
How were they not backing off before?

I'd like the hear the long story too.

>>8386558
Where?

>>8386699
Average guystyle. Quiffs tend to be pretty safe; just keep it short in the neck and around your ears.

Alternatively just shave it all off.

>>8387418
Dunno, dude. My T coincides with me losing a job six months back; I still haven't got a full time emplyoment. One of my closest friends is risking homelessness, and I've been in the trench of apartment hunting myself, yet I've never been happier.

I guess I just don't have the small but constant weight of dysphoria dragging me down anymore, or at least it's been lightened severely.

>>8391118
I want to top. Just ordered my first harness/dick the other week, really hyped about it tbf.

Hey guys, I could use some advice.
>Knew I was trans for years but too scared to come out to family
>Told all my friends, though, & they were cool with it
>Started T 6 months ago
>Eventually told immediate family 1 week in so they wouldn't find out from the changes later
>They were all cool with it
>Realize I'm a dipshit for not telling them sooner.
>5 months in my voice drops a whole fucking octave
>Everybody notices
>It's so deep my sister keeps mistaking me for my uncle
>Extended family starts gossiping about me behind my back because I haven't told any of them I'm trans
>Immediate family insists I get it over with since it probably won't be as bad as I think
>Even though I feel so much happier, more confident, and comfortable as a person I'm too much of a pussy to just tell my whole family what's up
What do?

>>8391057
Buy a nice razor and shave it. Go against the grain

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>>8391118

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>>8391353
Oh let's.

I'm tired of people flaking out on me. When I think we're getting along just fine and they disappear. It's ok if they lose interest, but just tell me instead of leaving without a word. It doesn't even hurt my feelings, it's just irritating.

Just got back into trying to date after 3 years, and literally every person is doing this. I'm too old for this shit.

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>>8391417
are you into schoolboys who probably live nowhere near you

>>8390280
T didn't make you develop schizo. It's the other drugs you twat.

>>8385629
>Do trans guys on T go through the same things trans girls go through in reverse?
>Have you experienced:
>-your olfactory sense diminishing
no
>-colors seeming less vivid and overall color perception worsening
no
>-losing interest in political activism beyond flexing your debate muscles and gaining prestige
no, I'm actually more outspoken now
>-developing a tendency to sit spread legged even when not consciously trying to?
yes

The first 3 make you sound crazy to be asking that hahaha

>>8387588
Interesting, it does basically look the same. I bought the EZP and I kinda regret spending that much money on it.

>>8391180
stop being a pussy and just tell them
you're already extremely lucky that your immediate family accepts you, so they'll probably help if the rest of your family isn't as accepting

my parents fucking kicked me out and I don't have any family left, so be greatful for what you have you little shit

>>8391562
They do say the EZP has great durability, though (can bend a little bit over time if you use it 24/7), so it's a good investment; if anything, you can get the other when you notice the EZP dying on you. I'm currently out of job, so I'm trying to save up however I can for a Compact STP.

>>8391704
I don't really like wearing it in my pants though, idk normal packers feel less weird.

>>8391516
http://theconversation.com/scientists-unpack-testosterones-role-in-schizophrenia-13729

Probably a mixture of genetics and drug use caused it, but T made it develop faster as schizo develops sooner in males than females.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/06/05/two-mothers-abuse-transgender-man-on-london-train-then-demand-their-kids-join-in/

>>8391929
Well at least he didn't talk about Jesus.

>>8391907
funny, that's within several miles of me

good old british public

>>8391118
Hello you

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>>8392233
Hi.

>>8391470
The schoolboy part, maybe. If he's legal of course. But I'm in michigan.

>>8391861
You mean you were always going to go schizo and the extraneous testosterone merely accelerated the process.

Drug use = schizo has been fielded for all kinds of substances. It's quite a bit more difficult to establish a solid correlation than you want to believe.

>>8392254
Elliots legality depends on your country

>>8391593
yes sir!

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>>8392254
the state law says 16 is legal where I live
I live on the other side of the lake and I dont know if you read previous posts but I have schizophrenia

Should I get shoe lifts or would it be really lame? I'm 5'5" so they'd take me up to 5'7 not including my boots. They'd just be to make me feel more confident I wouldn't use them to pretend I'm that height to potential dates or anything.
God forbid someone thinks they've gone out with a manlet to find out they've been tricked by an even shorter manlet.

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>>8379706
>smell like a man
>hairy beer belly
Go on.

>>8393401
first impressions vare everything, just lie until she falls in love then tell her your height, also be super rich, unless your gay, then height means your a bottom or a top or your a twink or a masc etc
https://youtu.be/ZbG05ePWRQE

>>8391417
Transguys flake on me all the time.

I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I consider myself a gay guy so it's not like I obsess over the parts and all. I'm all about the masculine attitude and looks and hair and smell and stuff. Masculinity is hot.

I dunno. Maybe I'm just bad at this.

>>8391118
In theory, yes I'm a top.
>tfw no dick to top with
>tfw no gf to top

>>8393449
>Farts
>Piss
>Poop

>>8393471
Topping is all about the attitude anyway.

>>8393524
Have you even bottomed?
I don't care about the top's "attitude"
I just want my pussy stretched out.

>>8393572
I'm a cis male so I doubt it matters but yes. I've had two trans dudes top me.

Some of the best sex I've ever had.

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>>8393465
Fuck. I'm going fishing.

>>8393461
Oh believe me I know how most women feel about short men but honestly I'm okay with being alone until I find someone who isn't bothered by it or y'know forever rather than try to convince someone who is.

>>8393611
Do you use Scruff? I can't find trans dudes using anything else.

>>8393572
ew

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>>8393663
>slut-shaming on a malawian genital reconstruction app

ok m8

>>8393716
Don't worry, I support your whorish ways anon.

Get a dildo with a suction cup?

>>8393758
not that guy but fuck
those things never stick where you want 'em to
shit is fuckin' frustrating

>>8393793
>Was trying to loosen my ass enough for my dildo the other day
>Every time I got close to getting it in it would unsuction
>Eventually I got really close, it popped off again
>Was out of lube
Why is this so hard.

>>8393716
>app
phonefags get out reeeee

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>>8393862

>>8393655
Never heard of it.

Went fishing, got rained on, didn't catch shit.

>>8394038
I thought you meant fishing as in fishing for sex using an app or just going to a bar.

>>8386151
Cause I have an issue with my anatomy not with whatever personality trait comes with it. Even women can be masculine, I don't give a shit about that. Hell I didn't even care about being referred to as he or male name as long as I had a male-looking anatomy and voice. Literally the only things I ever wanted to change.

>>8393465
Probably. The thing you have to realize is that we're pretty used to having to deal with creeps. Not saying that you are, but there are a lot of reasons to decide "eh.... maybe not"

>>8393655
I do. It's a lot better than grindr which I refuse to touch again.

>>8394419
I mean, it makes sense and all but I just get bummed out when I get flaked on.

>>8394419
Do you have a particularly bad grindr story? But yeah grindr has been awful for me too. I prefer growlr because I like my men chubby and hairy.

>>8394521
Too many to count.

>>8394525
I'm sorry to hear that. Shit like "let me see your bonus hole"?

>>8394554
are you dysphoric about it?

>>8394578
wut

>>8394554
Well most the time it was cruder than that. Cunt was the most common word for some reason. I don't know why guys think that's a good way to hookup with someone.

The main thing that got me to delete it for good was the stalkers who would message me saying they saw me on the train or at random public places, coupled with 2 different people giving me death threats because I'm trans.

Not only that but the general obliviousness got extremely obnoxious really quickly. Most people just don't know how to use google I guess. A lot of them assumed I was pre-transition mtf because ftm was something they never heard of before.

I want a small and lean cis bf

>>8394762
>A lot of them assumed I was pre-transition mtf
I know those feels, bro
I got that from a gate keeper once, tho, a rather experienced one too... so I took that as evidence of appearing as a natal male.

>tfw you're getting buff because of your job but your body is still gross and undesirable

>>8395213
relatable

>>8393867
Ay, I thought you were getting sectioned? How's it going man?

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>>8395657

>>8387360
>>8387368
sorry I'm tired
lots of things I cant eat/drink now, pills make me anxious and have tons of energy meaning I dont sleep much

>>8380065
hes back lmao

I saw a guy that was like 6'5" wearing a bowtie today. I thought ftms were supposed to be short.

>>8398719
He might've been one of those hipster numales.

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Forgive the blogpost but...
>Phone charging port got slam full of sand a month ago
>Sent it off for repair
>Used an old phone in the meantime
>Old phone also breaks
>Use an even older phone
>After countless fights with the phone company I finally got my phone back
>After a two hour phone call to get that shit activated it's finally working again
>It's now stuck in an infinite loop of restarting because of some 'hands free activation' app

I just want to use my fucking phone sprint.

>>8395213
Says you. I like a nice buff gross dude. I hope your hair is frizzy and difficult to manage too.

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>heckled at work, the gym and even the fucking gas station

Yes, I know I'm a freak leave me alone

>>8398979
By who and what for?

>>8399024
probably by the general public, for being trans/what they could perceive as gender non-conforming

it has happened to me before, exclusively by teenagers who haven't yet gained the good grace to keep their bigotry in their head and not wave it around annoying everyone

>>8399060
Sounds scary senpai

>>8399024
Gym desk people debating about my gender under one brought up my tits

Gas station people "Probably got kicked out of the military for those male hormones" knew the high and tight was a mistake

Work people talk about every single small thing I do all the time, I get torn apart for 2 hours every night until the day crew leaves

>>8399135
Do you work in a restaurant I guess? That fucking sucks though.

>>8399135
That sucks. I lost my job over a month ago for shit like that, but to the point it got physical.

>>8399135
What? Why did they think you were in the military? Am I missing something here?

>>8399174
high and tight is a traditional military haircut

>>8399170
gooo oonn

>>8399170
Were they hitting you or something?

>>8399179
aahh I thought that meant something else. Still though only for dudes right?

>>8399135
the fuck do the people at your work say about you?
I started transitioning while holding down the same job and my coworkers are either blind or just being very polite.
I hope they ain't shittalking me behind my back but they probably are

>>8399591
I'm weird in other areas but basically they say I must've been raped, that taking steroids doesn't make me a man, that I dress like my own Dad (this is weird because they don't know him), that I must have come from a broken home (true) and all manner of rumors about me being a shitty, sick person.

I work in a big box hardware store.

>talk shit with other queer people about ace people today
>ace friend texts out of the blue if I think Ace people deserve to be part of the lgbtq scene
karma is not usually so swift or precise
problem is I'm not a hundred percent where I stand on it

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>>8400005
how do you feel about them? in my opinion they're annoying but hey there are already 25 genders what more harm can we do. i fuckin hate "pride month"

>>8400131
I think as a terminology thing it's useful. Some people just don't fuckin' like sex, and that's fine by me. If you need a name for that, cool, sounds good.
But all too often it feels like it's an easy way of having something ~queer~ so you can join the cool kid oppression club?
I'm kinda peeved because we're coming up on my local pride parade bullshit that I've got to attend this year because organizational reasons, and this shit started out as a protest and a "fuck you" and now feels like a highly regulated freak show parade performance for the normies.
And someone who blends seamlessly with those normies is fucking aggravating to me at the moment.
I'm just not particularly receptive right now to someone crying tears for not feeling included when I've got to figure out what I can help do to keep kids from being legislated out of bathrooms and ostracized to the point of violence.

Also another trans woman found dead in my city, cool. Cool cool cool.

>>8399709
Christ, Anon. Did you do something to piss them off? Either way your coworkers need something better to do with their lives than make up rumors about people they hardly know. Sorry you gotta deal with this bullshit, dude. Maybe it's time to look for a new job?

>>8400466
I like my job. I'm really standoffish and don't make good eye contact because autism which made these people (who clearly have low self esteem- most of them are adults who will probably be working for this store forever) think I was being snooty. By the time the rumor that I was transitioning got around it was a done deal.

They're all surprised I haven't quit.

>>8400167
The whole ace discourse thing seems like a pretty recent tumblr development. I never remember it being questioned before, if you're asexual then you're not heterosexual and it's rare as hell anyways so where's the controversy?

But now it's like how people view bisexuals. Bi people are greedy cheating whores who need to just pick one, ace people are immature special snowflake cishets wanting a label. And I get it, when people started calling themselves grey-demisexual-ace when they're only attracted to people "some of the time" like that's not the majority of the population. But people diluting the definition of something doesn't make it not a thing.

I'm an ace stealth trans guy so I'm "included" whether I like it or not, I just get none of the support and 2x the invisibility.

>>8400479
Oh god this is scary
I'm not going to have access to T any time soon, are people like this to anyone who doesn't pass (in regards to appearance) 100%? In my mind I've always acted masculine but I suffer from baby face.
Anyway enough about me I hope you're okay, we're always cheering you on

What's the best binder? I wanna buy a new one, but idk where I wanna buy it, the gc2b one I bought didn't really bind as much as I thought it would? Any tips?

Female to male? More like female to molester. I worry for my dad and brothers and myself whenever they enter a public restroom because of you people

>>8400706
lol

>>8400691
what's your chest tumour size

underworks tends to be better if you have larger ones

>>8400900
Even for saggy double Ds?

>>8400902
it's worth a shot

that or you can wear flattering shirts and console yourself that a masculine chest=/=a perfectly flat chest

>>8400922
I'm an absurdly masculine cis male but I've still got some perky tits. Some guys just get that shit.

I don't really wear a binder obviously but I almost always wear a tanktop to kind of... downplay them.

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>>8400706

>>8401054
shit now I have something to tell my few friends when they ask why i always wear "tank tops"

it flattens out my perky boy tits, why didn't I think of this earlier

>>8401087
y-your welcome

>>8400559
>none of the support and twice the invisibility
That sucks, my dude.

Yeah, I really do think there's space for everybody, my friend just caught me at the saltiest possible moment. I really don't like pride parade stuff, or at least the local one.

>>8400691
I'd recommend the economy (single layer) underworks tank. I used the tri top for years but then my tits got nice and flappy so the single layer works good and is helping my ribs feel less shitty.

>tfw no trans girl weeb gf

ftm+mtf couples are perfection

>>8398802
Stop being dependent on technology

>>8401055
Turty :3

>>8401055
I love this picture

>>8401403
Are you violent and emotionally unstable? that's my type.

>>8391118
Yep! But no sexual experience yet (as a top, only terrible bottom sex while I was supressing) so I'll probably suck at it in the beginning. But bought my self two dicks for the sec and have one more on the way in the mail. Gotta try some different ones out, nice to have options...

>>8400479
Power to you dude, I would've abandoned ship by now if I was being heckled that much. A very sheltered bitchy christian girl started working with me it's not gonna go well if she finds out how much of a faggot I am.

>>8401463
Son I've got too much shit to do in my life that I need a damn phone already.

>>8400591
It's pretty difficult to pass without hormones. At least that's what I found. In my first year of university I tried really hard to pass (dude haircut, binding, dude clothes, etc) and never succeeded, save for one time a food kiosk attendant thought I was a 14yr old boy. My melodious bitch ass girl voice always gave me away.
Now that I'm on HRT I pass half the time even though I have long hair, so, I dunno.
This is all besides the point though. Some people are gonna treat you like shit, some people won't care. It all depends on the person.

>>8401715
>>8400591
Thanks guys. Sucks walking in there every night knowing the shit I'm gonna hear while I'm just trying to do my moving boxes job but I feel like if I let these people squeeze me out of a gig I don't mind that much, I'll lose.

I live in a kind of backwater place even though it is New England so I bet it isn't that bad other places.

>>8401463
>not being dependent on technology
fuck off you're literally posting this on a website.

Do you guys ever watch/get off to FtM porn? I find Courtney Trouble's videos to be pretty great and positive.

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>>8401812
yeah, i use it to try and accustom myself to seeing myself as sexy and worthy of desire, with mixed measures of success

recently i have been particularly enjoying luke hudson, though i must warn that his work can involve piv for anyone avoiding that

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>>8401849
I'm personally a fan of Puck Goodfellow. His skill with a dick puts me to shame.

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>>8401812
I don't watch his porn but Viktor Belmont is a super cutie. He's always got something positive & uplifting to say.

>>8401895
every time i see this guy i know i should work out more

>>8401863
i just wish he'd put more material out

>>8401895
I've only seen a preview of his video with that hot cis guy covered in tattoos. His name escapes me. Ruckus maybe? But yeah he's a real cutie and has such a smooth voice.

>>8401907
I know right? Also I hate that Puck and Jacque LeFemme, my two favorite queer porn actors, have done two videos and both were just not my thing. I'm not big on bdsm or hitting or wax play. :/

>>8401895
I wish I had an ass this perfect.

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Hi guys, I'm the anon who posted pic related a couple of weeks ago (a coming out letter I did with watercolours). I still haven't given it to anyone, and I feel bad about that. I'm basically posting here so I don't get discouraged and just do it already.
I have this plan: on friday, since I'll have more time, I could make some sort of pastry to give along with the letter (cooking could calm my stress before doing it, plus who could be mad at you if you just shove lemon pie down their throat). I'm feeling awfully nervous, but it's something that must be done. Wish me luck, guys.
/blog

>>8402061
Someone should headbutt you why would pastries help

why dont ftmg and mtfg just combine to make a super thread? saying you dont get along isnt good enough. half of you already hate each other.

>>8402069
I'm just trying to come up with something because I'm a pussy
I'll probably just come out the normal way, but I need to be calm to do it. Cooking helps me calm down.

>>8402082
we're different people with a different set of needs my dude

>>8402082
why dont lesgen and gaygen combine?

>>8402082
>thinking a fusion of FtMg and MtFg would go well and not get absolutely dominated by MtFs
Why do you think there's a division between trans lesbo general and cis lesbo general? The original lesbian gen had to divide in two because of the high amount of dickgirls looking for cis chicks. A merge of MtFg and FtMg would just end up on the generals being divided again, with more hate for oneanother

>>8402082
Cause we hardly post anything and they post too much so it would just be mtfg.

>>8401812
I would if it was easier to find ftm topping cis girl without having to trundle past lots of bottom ftm to mtfs and cis men. Not because of effort but it just makes me feel shitty.

>>8402145
I'm honestly confused about this. Why are mtfs so much louder than ftms? Why are anti-trans fucks so obsessed with mtfs, then (blissfully) leave us alone? I don't get it.

My psychiatrist told me that they got some statistics once saying that 3/4 of trans people were mtfs, and his little unit of doctors had a mini freakout while they tried to understand why that was. They eventually came to the conclusion that it's more or less 50/50 but trans men didn't have as much visibility or support? What do you guys think?

>>8402127
you need to understand male lifestyles. which transgirls had for years.
>>8402133
yeah why not?
>>8402135
a lot of transwomen are in cis les gen.
>>8402145
step it up then
>>8402170
because mtfs on average do not pass as well and are discriminated against because theyre assumed perverts. ftms are just seem as strange and not a threat because they're still 'female' to the transphobic world at large.

>>8402158
Try 7 Minutes in Heaven: Take 2. There are two FtM topping cis girl scenes and one FtM gangbang on cis girl scene, with a few other cis girls also partaking in an absurdly wonderful fisting finisher.

Billy Castro Does the Mission is also entirely FtM topping cis girls.

I found both videos for fairly cheap on Courtney Trouble's web store if you're interested in buying them.

>>8402197
growing up with almost exclusively males excluding a faaher, I only understand male lifestyle.

>>8402198
Ill check them out, thanks

>>8402236
>im fine so everyone else must be too!

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>>8402280
>you need to understand male lifestyles

what did they mean by this

>>8401606
Good. Contact pls.

>>8401719
Stop posting dick picks faggot

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Why do some people insist that they like homemade hot dogs over gas station ones? I don't believe them for a second, hot dogs heated for a long time under a heat lamp IS the best way to make a hot dog, it simply tastes better, so why lie about it? Is it a stigma to admit that you prefer gas station hot dogs?

>>8399186
>>8399180
One guy there recognized me from when I was a girl, we worked together at a previous job. So it got out I'm trans and people got upset I was using the men's room and some guys kept grabbing at my crotch and giving me shit.

>>8402745
>some guys kept grabbing at my crotch and giving me shit
what the fuck

>>8402745
>grabbing your crotch
Buh?

>>8402345
>I only understand male lifestyle.

>>8402061
What does pic say, familio?

>>8401606
i'm pretty unstable, but when i'm violent it's only towards myself. If I'm really pissed I might kick walls or doors but I try not to do that because it spooks my dog and I feel awful afterwards.

im at the age to get a pap smear. i really dont want one, but I want to be sure i dont have cancer or whatever

How did yall deal with getting your parts checked out? I think I will need a benzo or two

I'm still sore that I spent the money on transthetics EZP but still want to try and make it work. I mastered the art of pissing naked or wearing underwear with it but it still moves around a fuck ton no matter what pants I'm wearing, which is pretty concerning since my job is extremely physically active and there's like maybe two women to every 60 old men I work with.

Would a harness help with this? What kind of harness? I never bought one before. Can I just glue this thing to my junk like reelmagik STPs? Besides the EZP and reelmagik, are there any more 'realistic' stps that have come out in recent years that I could check out? So many look like shit and I don't want a 24/7 boner.

Packing feels like so much trouble than it's worth but we only have one stall so most guys just take a piss outside instead.

>>8404033
Also I'm considering just casting the EZP and altering it since I have a bunch of casting and silicone materials laying around. That or just sculpt dragon dildos and make bank.

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>>8404033
packing harnesses are absolutely a thing

you can get underwear styled ones that sometimes also serve as a harness for banging (some of those keep the dong in a pouch with a fabric barrier between it and your skin which isn't stp-friendly, so watch out for that) or more simple dealies like pic related that are just a couple of straps and a hole. if you're the handy type you could probably diy one, or for purchase i usually see them online almost wherever packers are sold

>>8404128
I knew they were a thing but I wasn't sure what ones are better than the other. I rather buy one, then adjust or make one myself later. Thank you. I really can't be leaping up onto belts and having my dick just fall out. It does surprisingly stay between your legs more than I expected but maybe my thighs just aren't thick enough to hold it better and it needs a shit ton of adjustment not to just piss yourself since it's so shallow and hard to discreetly angle it.

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>>8403768
I had it done once. It's very quick. It was painful for me though. It will suck but your doc will hurry.

I personally hate showing my breasts more than my vag. I always try negotiating with my doctor (she's very mom-like to me) when she does my physical.

>me: can I at least keep my binder or boxers on?
>her: no! What don't you understand about "all clothing removed"?
>me: i promise there's nothing interesting going on in these areas.
>her: it's happening whether you like it or not! Sorry i know you hate it. But it must be done.
>me: i don't want to.
>her: stop being a baby! Deal with it.
>me: ok...

>>8402518
Hot dogs belong to the gas station and random stores rather than at home; it's not just about the hot dog, it's about the experience associated with the hot dogs themselves. One of my relatives' gluten intolerance broke out because of gas station hot dogs though, so I personally don't want them anymore.

>>8404182
You should probably read about what people have bought/made specifically for the EZP. You'll probably be good with a normal STP modified brief

>>8403768
I don't. I'm incapable of not assaulting a gyno or a dentist out of 'nam flashback triggers or some shit because I just lose it.