Should cis females with autogynephilia be forced to do ftm transition?

>>8367297
>forcing anyone to transition
keep your fetish to yourself

>>8367297
No, AAPs are the ones who FtM transition. Cis AGPs should be forced to bimbofy themselves just like we do by getting unnecessary surgeries.

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>>8367297

Forcing anyone to do anything, its like you hate freedom.

>>8367332
"Freedom" makes this world a shithole. There naturally always will be that one person or a group of people who'll be powerful enough to make rules for everyone else. We need to stop pretending that it's any different and just estabilish a system where an intelligent dictator would rule.

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>>8367297
>cis females with autogynephilia

>>8367297
Pseudocissexual =! cis

>>8367297
wut

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>>8367339
>le autocrat fantasy t. played New Vegas and went for the Mr House ending X-D

>>8367297
>>8367339
>how dare the world dictate what gender I should be, because they believe it's right
>we should totally dictate the genders of these other people because we believe it's right

Congrats on becoming that which you hate.

What is autogynephilia? Sexually attracted to your own vagina?
I dont think thats a thing desu. Vaginas look weird. I do think my breast can look cool though at some angles maybe even sexy (???)

>>8373878
It's being aroused to thought of yourself in a more feminine role during sex (or at least that's the very slimmed down explanation of it). Usually stereotypical type stuff though and most agp's are transbians not straight.
It's tough to explain without going into fetishes and outdated psychobabble.

>>8373910
Almost like it's not so outdated after all!

>>8373914
It's still a thing, it's in the DSM, but a lot the older writings aren't correct for younger generations since there's less strict gender roles now. All the older stuff basically hinged on AGPs being heavily misogynistic and heavily conforming to gender roles, but nowadays even cis straight guys/girls aren't very conforming to gender roles.

>>8373910

Wow so like wanting to be submissive in bed and liking when your man carries you, buys dinner, puts arm around you etc?

Because if so literally 99% of women have autogynephilia. Maybe not 99% but a lot. 90% maybe.

>>8374865
Yes a lot of women do have AGP, nobody ever said men with AGP shouldn't transition, it's just a type of transsexuality.

>>8373910
So what do you call someone aroused by the thought of themselves in a more androgynous role in/out of sex?

>>8374873

I always thought AGP with men meant they wanted a vagina so they could masturbate to their own vagina in the mirror, I thought it seem kind of weird but different strokes for different folks. They often get talked about like they are the "less real" trans but at this rate they seem most like cis.

>>8374889
That's just kind of a 4chan meme.
But not all AGP's are transsexuals, some are just transvestites (crossdressers). Not all agps are obsessed with SRS either. Plus a lot of "agp" people are gay dudes that masturbate to certain tg erotica and such, apparently this board calls it pseudobisexuality, but I don't believe that's technically a real thing.

>>8374885
Usually agp is more than simple sex roles, but I believe Blanchard called that social autogynephilia or something similar to that. Generally you wouldn't require transitioning if that's your only thing.

Whole WHOLE time on 4chan this is what I thought

AGP = A mtf who wants his/her own vagina/breasts to masturbate toin the mirror. More likely to be lesbian etc because they are attracted so bad to vagina/breasts. More likely to be older transitioner because they didn't experience dysphoria when young.

HSTS = A mtf who is more feminine and feels attraction to men like a normal girl and has dysphoria from being born in a male body so tends to want to transition early.

Thats why I thought people bashed AGP so much because they got mad at them....I dont even get it.

>>8374963
agp's have fantasies of imagining themselves in the female role during sex, life, etc. It can sometimes mean they should transition, sometimes not.
Has nothing to do with masturbating to themselves because they themselves are not the image they are fantasizing about anyway.
For the most part agp fantasies arise as a means of coping with repressed transsexuality, but it's not exactly clear cut. It's not explored a ton anymore cause too many people used it as a means of legitimizing transphobia.

>>8375004
Woah there friend the definition is drifting again. A "more feminine" role and "the female" role sound like different things to me, and I'm not positive I know exactly what either means.

>>8375031
It's a visualization issue at the heart of it.
If you have trouble visualizing yourself as a male during your fantasies that's basically agp. That's why guys masturbate to erotica that focuses on transforming into girls. But there's numerous subtopics to agp itself so there's more to it than that. Because even then bodily agp is only one subtopic of it but it's usually the one that if you have it you'd transition since it results in difficulties visualizing yourself in situations in your current male body and it ultimately makes having sex as your current male body too difficult.
Some people say bottoming in gay relationships alleviates some of the sensations but it doesn't eliminate it since in your fantasies you'd still be visualizing yourself as a girl. But most agp's are not gay and don't want to have sex with guys so this situation isn't common which is why this board just calls them pseudobi's for some reason.

>>8375004

Thats crazy to me because it seems pretty much all women would be AGP. HSTS don't imagine themselves as women during sex or life?

>>8375086
There have been studies on it, and yes most women are agp I believe.

>>8375067
Alright mate so instead of "more feminine" or "the female" role we're defining agp as "not the male" role? These all have different meanings to me.
The first thing I'd like to clear up is the relationship between dysphoria and agp because the two seem similar, but it's starting to look like these terms require books of reading to understand.

>>8375095
Yep, what Blanchard called AGP was normal for a woman, and he thought they were fetishists. Blanchard was very bigoted against LGBTs. All his theories must be taken with a very large pile of salt.

>>8375095

So it seems weird then that it can invalidate trans and is even used to bash some trans on here if its something most women are.

What is HSTS then? They think about being male or masculine?

>>8375109
They are similar, autogynephilia is a type of dysphoria sometimes. Depends on what issues you have and how much it affects your life. If you simply dress up like a girl from time to time and are perfectly happy as a male otherwise you might have AGP but you're probably not trans.
If your agp manifests as a type of bodily hate and fapping is a way of dealing with it then chances are it could be dysphoria. Fapping isn't necessarily relieving your AGP stuff since chances are you're straight up fapping to erotica and porn that is delving into it, but the chemical release of orgasm alleviates anxiety, depression, etc.
>>8375130
HSTS are also AGP technically speaking. But calling them AGP would muddy the classifications so they get their own classification since they have unique features that Blanchard's AGP's didn't have.

>>8373699
Mr House ending is the best though, since you're picking between four autocratic options anyway
Might as well choose the most competent dictator

>>8374865

Autogynephilia is love of oneself as a woman.

It's separated into subtypes:

>Anatomic AGP
Arousal to having a female body. This is the kind of AGP where you would be masturbating to your own breasts or vagina.
>Behavioral AGP
Arousal to doing things that are considered girly. Like if sewing is considered female exclusive, than arousal to doing that.
>Interpersonal AGP
Arousal to being treated as a woman. That's what's described in >>8373910. This form of AGP is dominated mainly by bisexuals.
>Transvestic AGP
Arousal to wearing women's clothing.
>Physiological AGP
Arousal to performing physiological functions of the female body. That's being pregnant, menstruating, and technically breast feeding, but not really since men can breast feed as well.

>>8367339
What if we all nominated a few people to make decisions based on our collective wishes?

>>8373910
Lesbian AGPs also get aroused by having the feminine role in their relationship. Their dream is to have a daddy (female) who financially supports them and consensually beats them. That's why they should all move to the midwest, where lesbians still do that shit. Transbians are basically a holdover from the butch/femme golden age.

>>8377084
So were cis lesbians back then AGP?

>>8367339
>Intelligent
>Dictator
Pick one

>>8377067
what if I'm not aroused by being any type of female at all, but transitioned because there was cognitive dissonance between the way my subconscious mind perceived my body versus the way my conscious mind perceived it?

t. someone who has to choke back puke every time anons bring up blanchardism

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>>8367297
>autogynephilia
>ftm

nice troll

>>8383638
Then the arousal is subconscious. Which parts of being female do you want? By the sound of it, anatomic.

>>8383860
are you implying that I'm experiencing arousal that I'm not aware of but you are?

and when you use the word "arousal" do you mean sexual arousal or just a general "awakening" as in the neutral definition of the word "arousal"?

>>8384585
It doesn't have to be perceived as sexual arousal, no.

>>8384585
wake up, sleepyhead

>>8384617
>>8384630
I just don't agree with the fundamental premise of Blanchard's typology; that sexuality and gender identity are inextricably linked. This pigeonholes transsexuality into being a sexual paraphilia, which I find troublesome for a number of reasons. Not to mention the entire theory is unneccessarily stigmatizing; a perfect example being anons on this board parroting the meme without a teaspoon of irony. Blanchard's study was also flawed: his test population was exceedingly small and entirely local to Canada, excluded a control group, and the research was carried out by purposefully selecting datasets that proved the typology was correct, operating on the assumption that his "sexual target location error" theory was infalliable and that it couldn't possibly be an effect, but rather the cause of transsexualism.

I could go further, but y'all won't give a shit since reee'ing about AGP vs. HSTS is too rich a shitposting goldmine to resist, apparently.

>>8384687
>This pigeonholes transsexuality into being a sexual paraphilia,
It doesn't though.

>>8384706
Have you even read Blanchard's journals? He literally classifies transsexuality as one of two distinct paraphilias. Ray Blanchard was professionally studying sexual paraphilias like pedo- and acrotomophilia before he developed /tttt/'s favorite meme, so it's no surprise he approached his study of trans women from the angle of basically
>what turns these men on is what causes them to transition
either you're attracted to men and wish to become attractive to men or you're attracted to women and wish to become that which is attractive to you. it's bullshit.

>>8367339
>best countries in the world are the ones with the most freedom
>absolute shitholes you'd kill yourself if you lived in are dictatorships

really makes one ponder about your pathetic power fantasies

>>8384687
>>8384768
>tfw AGP
>Blanchardists says i'm trans
>anti Blanchardists say AGP is caused by repressed transexuality therefore I'm trans
>mfw

>>8367297
Is it possible for transgirls to pull off dresses like that without drag queen silicone pads and whatnot?
I feel like my bony hip bones and legs would like out and look weird and it's like all 'sexy' look horrible on me....

>>8384768
He's wrong that they're paraphilias. AGP is an orientation and HSTS is a personality type. Most modern Blanchardians think this.

>>8373878
Two things:
1) A fetish. The arousal at the thought of yourself as a woman/and or as someone being stereotypically feminine in some fashion. A lot of AGP fantasies are basically indistinguishable from normal fantasies women have (e.g. having sex as a woman, all dolled up) while some are definitely not fantasies normative cis women experience (e.g. being a waitress in a ridiculously girly outfit).
2) A term from a now-outdated hypothesis that states that since a lot of gynephilic (female-attracted) repressing transsexuals have AGP it follows that AGP is the cause of their transsexuality. Androphilic (male-attracted) transsexuals, on the other hand, are very gay men who transition because society is supposedly more accepting of them as MTFs than as men due to how gay they are. Every bit of research ever done has shown that a fair portion of gynephiles are not AGP and vice versa for androphiles. Blanchard, inventor of the hypothesis, solved this by theorizing that people reporting data that does not fit his theory (which relied on self reports) are consciously or subconsciously misreporting due to social desirability bias. To prove it he took 9 middle aged gynephilic "crossdressing men" (sic) who claimed that they weren't aroused by crossdressing. The experiment showed that they were, in fact, aroused by a crossdressing narrative. Ergo, that must be the case for all gynephilic transsexuals. seemslegit.jpg

Blanchard's hypothesis was popular for a brief period in the 90s but was ultimately debunked and rejected by the scientific community. APA, who write the DSM, and WPATH, who write the SoC, are the two organizations that more or less dictate the treatment procedure for transsexuals in the West. Both have come out against Blanchard.

cont.

>>8384872
>>8373947
Citations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria#Diagnosis
>The American Psychiatric Association permits a diagnosis of gender dysphoria if the criteria in the DSM-5, are met. The DSM-5 moved this diagnosis out of the sexual disorders category and into a category of its own. The DSM-5 states that at least two of the criteria for gender dysphoria must be experienced for at least six months' duration in adolescents or adults for diagnosis. The diagnosis was renamed from "Gender Identity Disorder" to "Gender Dysphoria", after criticisms that the former term was stigmatizing. Subtyping by sexual orientation was deleted.
Emphasis on the last line: Blanchard's entire hypothesis - his Transsexual Typology - is based on subtyping by orientation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology#DSM-5
>In DSM-5, published in 2013, With autogynephilia (sexual arousal by thoughts, images of self as a female) is a specifier to 302.3 Transvestic disorder (intense sexual arousal from cross-dressing fantasies, urges or behaviors); the other specifier is With fetishism (sexual arousal to fabrics, materials or garments).
The only surviving mention of autogynephilia is as a fetish. As mentioned there is no subtyping by orientation so any DSM references to it are in that context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Blanchard.27s_theories_about_sexuality
> Blanchard's ideas about trans women have also been rejected by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the largest association of medical professionals who provides care for transgender people, as lacking empirical evidence and for stigmatizing behavior instead of focusing on treating distress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_of_Care_for_the_Health_of_Transsexual,_Transgender,_and_Gender_Nonconforming_People

Transsexuality is now thought to be caused by genetical and/or natal-enviromental factors.

cont.

>>8384872
>>8384896
>44. In sum, gender identity, whether consistent or inconsistent with other sex characteristics, may be understood to be “much less a matter of choice and much more a matter of biology” (Coolidge et al., 2000). The scientific evidence supports the paradigm that transsexualism is strongly associated with the neurodevelopment of the brain (Zhou et al., 1995; Kruijver et al., 2000). It is clear that the condition cannot necessarily be overcome by “consistent psychological socialisation as male or female from very early childhood” and it is not responsive to psychological or psychiatric treatments alone (Green, 1999). It is understood that during the fetal period the brain is potentially subject to the organising properties of sex hormones (Kruijver et al., 2000; 2001; 2002; 2003). In the case of transsexualism, these effects appear to be atypical, resulting in sex-reversal in the structure of the BSTc, and possibly other, as yet unidentified, loci (Kruijver, 2004). The etiological pathways leading to this inconsistent development almost certainly vary from individual to individual, so no single route is likely to be identified. Different genetic, hormonal and environmental factors, acting separately or in combination with each other, are likely to be involved in influencing the development of the psychological identification as male or female. Psychosocial factors and cultural mores are likely to impact on outcomes (Connolly, 2003).

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2006-atypical-gender-development.html

>>8373914
In conclusion get rekt m8.

>>8375004
I wrote a post about the AGP-as-a-repression-mechanism hypothesis a while ago.
>>8382324

>>8384896
So what if you have agp but still want to transition?

>>8384835
>>anti Blanchardists say AGP is caused by repressed transexuality therefore I'm trans
Actually they say it *sometimes* is. They can't say it always is because of the "cis" males who are AGP.

The anti-Blanchard line is that if you're dysphoric and AGP then the AGP is repressed dysphoria and if you're AGP and not dysphoric then you're just a guy with a kink.

Clearly this fucks over every AGP who hasn't got dysphoria yet or doesn't have severe dysphoria because it tells her she isn't trans and her AGP is unconnected to the AGP trannies get.

>>8384914
Are you trans? Transition.
Are you not trans? Don't transition.
AGP is irrelevant. At best it is a cause to ask yourself whether you're obsessing over being a woman because you're actually trans.

>>8384915
>The anti-Blanchard line is that if you're dysphoric and AGP then the AGP is repressed dysphoria and if you're AGP and not dysphoric then you're just a guy with a kink.
Well, almost. I think you can also develop AGP more or less "at random" even if you're trans, just like cis people do, so it doesn't always have to be a repression mechanism.

>Clearly this fucks over every AGP who hasn't got dysphoria yet or doesn't have severe dysphoria because it tells her she isn't trans and her AGP is unconnected to the AGP trannies get.
That's untrue. Knowing that a whole lot of transsexuals are AGP pre-transition and a few years into it being AGP is reason enough to investigate whether you're trans or cis.

>>8384946
Well I mainly thought I was trans cause I had a ton of agp-ish fantasies plus I wanted a feminine body so if agp doesn't exist then I really don't know what to think lol

>>8384954
It does. It is a fetish, and a fetish that a lot of repressed transsexuals develop because of the reasons I've mentioned in the last link in the last post. However it does not by itself make you trans.

Do you experience dysphoria? Are you happy as a man? Why do you want to be a woman? Would you still want to be a woman if you had to be a plain, asexual one?

>>8384963
I mostly just wanted my body to be more feminine. I don't like the look of my body but I'm not sure if that makes me trans. I just feel like if I had something closer to girls it would bother me a lot less.
I'm already kind of asexual anyway. I'm sort of seeing a guy and we have sex but I never really get that horny. I still enjoy bottoming but I can never seem to get aroused or have a hard on like i do if I masturbate. I'm not sure if that's just anxiety though cause I always feel really weird being naked around people.

>>8384975
Suppose a devil offered you a deal: a female body in return for all of your libido. No desire to masturbate either. Would you take it?

>I just feel like if I had something closer to girls it would bother me a lot less.
How does your current body bother you? In general, how do you feel about it? Can you see yourself being happy in it on the long term?

>>8384981
Well I probably would. I used to always have fantasies of waking up as a girl and somehow nobody notices or cares or whatever lol
I just don't want to age like a guy if I have to stay as I am. Besides people already treat me horrible cause I'm usually way smaller than most guys cause I'm super skinny and relatively short for white people anyway. Everyone always tries to get me to like "man-up" and it's annoying

>>8384997
>I just don't want to age like a guy if I have to stay as I am.
So, if your body didn't age visually, would you be fine with it? Are you fine with it as it is? Is it just that you'd rather have a woman's?

>>8385006
Well if I could go back to when i was like 15 maybe and could easily pass as a girl that was a lot better cause at least when I wore girls clothes I didn't feel like shit for being ugly lol

>>8385011
Okay this is going to be unhelpful but the best I can say is that there's a fair chance that you're trans but I'm not sure. On one hand you say you don't really experience dysphoria and won't go into what (if anything) you dislike about having a male body or being male. On the other you intensely want a female body and not (just) for sexual reasons. The former is atypical for transsexuals while the latter is very much a strong indicator of being trans. In a lot of ways feeling that your body is wrong and wanting to change it is at the core of being trans. It just sounds like you don't dislike your male body as much as you'd really like a female one though.

Considering that you being trans is at the very least a strong possibility, what are you going to do now? Can you spare the time to go through therapy or are you worried about further virilization occurring meanwhile?

>>8385025
I could explain a bunch but it's too late right now plus I don't want to clog up this thread.
I've thought of going to therapy but I have a lot of anxiety and I don't think I'd be able to get everything out. I'm not sure if it would help a lot. I don't think I'd feel comfortable discussing weird fantasies to doctors either lol

>>8385031
Well, to put it plainly, you have to do something. You can't ignore your problem and expect it to go away. You've been like this for along time now, right?

>I could explain a bunch but it's too late right now plus I don't want to clog up this thread.
If you want to rest, fair, but don't worry about "clogging up the thread". It's a bait thread anyhow.

>>8385033
Well yeah it's kind of been a thing since I was really little but everyone always made fun of me for every slight feminine thing I did so I hid a lot of my crossdressing habits and never told anyone about my fantasies. I could still get away with a lot of stuff like I had long hair and watched stuff like sailor moon but everyone just thought I was weird lol

>>8385040
This makes you sound even more trans. Not sure if that's what you want to hear but it does. You really must address this part of yourself before it is too late.

What are you going to do?

>>8385043
Well probably self med lol
The official pathway here requires RLE without hormones. Might as well kill myself now cause I would after a year of that anyway.
I only really have one person to talk to about it and it was just a gay friend of mine that I occasionally had sex with. He's the only person I've talked to about dressing up like a girl and agp type fantasies and erotica. I think he just thinks I'm crazy think though so he just ignores half of what i say.

>>8384946
>so it doesn't always have to be a repression mechanism.
Of course. That way when an AGP says she did transition despite not being dysphoric and didn't become dysphoric, you have an out from your "cis people who transition are guaranteed to be dysphoric" line.

>a few years into it being AGP is reason enough to investigate whether you're trans or cis.
"If you're not dysphoric then you']re not trans. Period."
t. most of the internet to a young AGP wondering if she should transition, leaving her tricked into thinking she's cis.

>>8384915
Ah so I might be cis AGP. How does one tell the difference? I suspect i'm trans AGP because i've wanted to be female sometimes and been dysphoric about it. But I seem to able to cope with manhood via weed and am slowly getting better at it.

>>8385114
It's not "cis AGP" and "trans AGP". It's just AGP and AGP can lead to dysphoria and can lead to wanting to transition. There is no difference because there aren't two kinds of AGP. Transition has to be your choice, made with the knowledge that some AGPs happily transition and others happily live as cis males. Some are unhappy without transition, some would like to be girls but still think being male is better than transition.

The question is whether or not you'll be better off with or without transition. Transition isn't perfect and even if staying male is better it won't mean you wouldn't rather be a girl anyway. Unless you one extreme or the other, neither option is going to be perfect for you.

Can you cope, not necessarily love it but cope, as a guy without transition? Would you be happy being a trans woman even if you don't pass and always have masculine features no cis woman does?

>>8367297
Forced?
what?
no

fuck you

>>8385140
Great answer. Can I cope without transition? So far yes. Could I handle being a masc unpassable tranny? I might be ok with that if I had a good quality of life as a tranny.

>>8385259
>So far yes.
Then be aware that AGP seemingly can become more dysphoric.

>I might be ok with that if I had a good quality of life as a tranny.
What do you consider quality of life? If you are from an accepting area then being non-passing might well not limit your employment, friendships, relationships, etc enough for it to be low quality of life.

>>8385066
>Of course. That way when an AGP says she did transition despite not being dysphoric and didn't become dysphoric, you have an out from your "cis people who transition are guaranteed to be dysphoric" line.
That does not follow.

>"If you're not dysphoric then you']re not trans. Period."
What are you talking about? Much of the mainstream literature goes on and on about how dysphoria can be incredibly subtle.

>>8385114
>>8385259
Keep in mind that the whole "AGP can lead to dysphoria" thing is exactly the outdated psychobabble I warned you of. Being trans is biological.

>>8385046
Good luck!
Finding a good therapist is hard and expensive but it might still be worthwhile even if you self-med. Not having anyone to talk to about this has got to be awful.

>>8385275
>What do you consider quality of life? If you are from an accepting area then being non-passing might well not limit your employment, friendships, relationships, etc enough for it to be low quality of life

Thats mainly what I consider a good quality of life, that and a postiive reaction to HRT(mind/body works better as a woman than a man). I live in Canada so transgenderism will probably be quite acceptable in a few years. In the recent BC provincial election all three parties ran a trans candidate in fact, although they're quite reddit tier, no pretty twinkhons.

>>8375874
Well, no. That's not what autocracy means. Your options in New Vegas are:

>Representational democracy (NCR)
>Anarchy/Minarchy (Yes Man)
>Paleo-Conservative Fascism (Legion)
>Autocracy (Mr. House)

>>8386259
He's one of those who thinks "ALL LE GOVERNMENT IS JUST AUTOCRACY IN THE SKIES"

Also, Yes Man is whatever government type you want it to be. That's the point. It can be anarchy... or it can be a nazi style totalitarian military state.

>>8385337
>Hey now, the symptoms are sometimes hard to spot so I guess I should be the one to determine your life course, not you! You just *don't know* what's good for yourself! Yeah!

Getting tired of the gender TF brigade trying to force every last breathing human on this earth to swap their genitals with their muh spectrums. Everyone is an autistic psychopath narcissist bipolar OCD tranny in your world because you equate even the slightest hint of a condition to mean actually having that condition - instead of just having traits of that condition.

It's a world I don't want to live in.

>>8386320
You're incoherent.
Facts are facts, no matter how you feel about them.

>>8386545
Facts: I am my own.

You are a mentally ill tranny desperate to make more mentally ill trannies in this world so you can have a bigger dating pool (isn't it just a COINCIDENCE all of you are transbian too?)

Isn't it great when you never have to prove a point? After all, facts are facts, even when they're in fact unproven pet hypotheses! After all, if a meme psychotherapist backs my case, I must be right, right? That's how science works!!!!

>>8386629
>Isn't it great when you never have to prove a point?
Hey, try reading.
>>8384872
>>8384896
>>8384910

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/biblio/articles/2005to2009/2006-atypical-gender-development.html

There's a wall of citations at the bottom of that article. The proof is right in front of you. I'm afraid you can't pull your postmodernist "everyone has their own truth :^)" bullshit in face of scientific evidence.

>>8387084
>try dredging through my wikipedia wall of paste defending Blanchard

Nope. Stop pretending to speak for science, you are convince no one and embittering attitudes as always. You are not a scientist. You are not a therapist. You are not qualified to make definitive statements on your supposed "colleagues" work.

In reality, I detune myself from you because you're little more than a worthless armchair riding on the coattails of better men scrambling to construct your own """theory""" in the midst. You cite one university article and pretend it speaks for all the world.

In reality, all you are is the despised.

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>>8387103
>Nope. Stop pretending to speak for science, you are convince no one and embittering attitudes as always. You are not a scientist. You are not a therapist. You are not qualified to make definitive statements on your supposed "colleagues" work.
That link I posted is from a research institute, signed by a dozen of scientists, with a wall of citations at the bottom. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

>In reality, I detune myself from you because you're little more than a worthless armchair riding on the coattails of better men scrambling to construct your own """theory""" in the midst. You cite one university article and pretend it speaks for all the world.
That article presents the position the scientific community supports now, as exemplified by APA and WPATH. In reality you're ignoring the facts because you value feelings over them.

>In reality, all you are is the despised.
Only by dimwitted fools afraid of the truth.

[citation needed], right?
Sure.

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Also
>defending Blanchard
Debunking Blanchard. Work on your reading comprehension.

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There's no such thing!