Mtfs usually seem perfectly fine with their dick and using it, and even being perceived as a gay guy. It seems like they more want to be trans to be "cuter", but it doesn't seem necessary at all.
Meanwhile ftms struggle with suicidal thoughts every fucking day revolving around having a hole where their dick should be, and other unfixable problems.
Tldr; do mtfs even have dysphoria other than *maybe* slight height and face/body shape dysphoria?
>>8279961
nah i don't have any dysphoria at all
I'm MtF and basically would've cut my dick off right away if I didn't have SRS on the horizon, it feels completely alien to me and absolutely disgusting. I honestly don't get other MtFs who are okay with having one, apart from like burgers who are basically bullied by their garbage health care system to either stick with it or pay a fortune for the operation.
>>8279989
Basically this I dislike having it but I was more or less forced to have it and it shrunk and I've had an orchi too so I'm pretty sure I'm stuck with it for life
I've been with several ftms and known a few others who are cool using their front butt, I didn't really process this as a big diff
>>8279989
Yeah!
Fucking burgers!
We're so much better than them with our high taxes and nanny state!
Let's all just cut our dicks off!
>>8279985
So not trans then.
>>8279961
>Do agp mtfs really ever feel as dysphoric as hsts ftms do?
ftfy
>>8280007
>shouldn't call themselves a tranny.
B-but that's what transvestites are!
>>8279961
>do mtfs even have dysphoria other than *maybe* slight height and face/body shape dysphoria?
>slight
Are you fucking kidding me, m8?
You turn out too tall, you'll need to pass extremely well on everything else to make it.
Your body shape is too broad, you'll have to limit your wardrobe excessively to pass.
You get a testosterone ravaged face, you're done for.
You get more than one of these, you've probably already planned out your suicide.
>>8280054
Sure, then why do we only hear about the ones perfectly fine with using their dick and being seen as male, basically only transitioning because "i want to be cuter!!"
>>8280064
Look around this board, the biggest gripes are clearly about proportions and facial structure.
MtFs want to pass, the core desire is to be able to be seen and live as normal women in everyday life. Having a dick is dysphoric too, but it's not as bad as doing your best and being treated like male and a disgusting tranny despite that.
>>8279961
lol almost every ftm has had little to no dysphoria over his mangina, they tend to have bigger issues with their height and chest than anything. Most mtf people I've known tend to hate their dicks though and go perma virgin until srs or tried doing things like cutting it off with scissors as a kid.
>>8280000
Burgers end up paying more net expenses than europoors because their healthcare is so expensive unless you're rich as fuck
>>8279961
>Tldr; do mtfs even have dysphoria other than *maybe* slight height and face/body shape dysphoria?
AFABs are fucking disgusting. Privileged compared to AMAB both as cis and trans. Obviously you wouldn't know what such dysphoria feels like with your easy-mode passing.
>>8279998
I'll interact with it but it still fundamentally feels wrong to have. I've done sex work but I'm overall against sex partners I actually want to have sex with penetrating it, etc. and I really only let them do oral when I'm feeling lazy. The most I get out of female genitalia is the clitoris feeling good. Being less completely freaked out about it still doesn't mean it doesn't feel fundamentally wrong and is something that I wish could change. Maybe more FTM people are resigned about their vaginas since phallo and mep can produce... highly inconsistent results that can't even do sometimes what some well made prosthetics can do.
>>8280328
Secondary sex characteristics can feel more pressing. Having E-cups and a very feminine lips/jaw structure overshadows the vagina because I can just throw a packer in my johns and usually randos don't scrutinize but every person who sees me instantly sees massive tits on a relatively thing body and know I'm female which is just more distressing than the internal turmoil about the vagina.
>>8279961
I had SRS. The hormones weren't enough to deal with the dysphoria. I loathed my genitals. SRS finally allowed me to to find peace.
Wow you're kinda an asshole.
Fuck off with your male privilege
>>8279985
Why the fuck are you here then???
>>8280619
This is a trans board not a trans but only if you're dysphoric board.
>>8280659
Why would you call yourself trans if you haven't had dysphoria?
>>8279961
I'm assuming this is satire. Though, the experience of being at odds with one's own body, and not getting to have that assumption of Self that most people get, sucks heavily no matter who it's for.
Though, I'm MtF, I don't hate my penis because I always hated most everything else first. Now that I'm transitioned and pass, I don't really have dysphoria anymore and the penis doesn't really matter that much to me. I'm sad I can't have children, but that doesn't translate into genital dysphoria. I've spent weeks with my bf's hardcore christian family totally stealth, smol, good voice, pass, so not having dysphoria is pretty cool.
>>8280787
Because you're transitioning? Because you're GNC? Because you are better off as the other sex? Because you present as the other sex? Because you want to be the other sex?
>>8280787
because it is trendy and i want to feel like a special snowflake and get attention and be part of the in crowd. same reason as you.
>>8279961
Creepy people without dysphoria aren't trutrans. The people you're describing are the MtF equivalent of those fem tumblr FtMs that don't want HRT and always refer to themselves as "princes".
>>8280860
>Because you want to be the other sex?
That sounds dysphoric.
>>8280863
I'm transitioned and stealthy, so I'm not part of any trans "in crowd" and I try to avoid attention.
>>8280882
>always refer to themselves as "princes"
hahaha i never realized it before but this is definitely a thing
>>8280890
Maybe define dysphoria so confusion about different people's definitions is avoided?
>>8280997
There seem to be different aspects to dysphoria. I had full blown dysphoria:
1. A deep conviction that my birth sex was wrong and that I could not function as my birth sex.
2. A deep conviction that I should be the other sex and an overwhelming need to be the other sex.
3. Finding my genitals repulsive and needing SRS to fix that.
From what I've seen, it seems like not everyone has all types of dysphoria to the same degree. Some people are mainly dysphoric about their birth sex, for some it is more about needing to be the other sex, and a lot of trans people don't have genital dysphoria to the point of needing SRS.
>>8281088
"A deep conviction" and "repulsive" are very subjective. How deep a belief is deep conviction? How much dislike is being repulsed?
>>8281235
How do you even quantify what you feel? I think they were trying to paraphrase the DSM definition of dysphoria.
>>8280064
You're thinking of femboys. Trans women hate the male aspects of their body and don't like to be considered men.
>>8281268
>How do you even quantify what you feel?
Exactly.
>>8279961
Nah I have pretty rough dysphoria senpai, cry to sleep a lot. But ive also got something ftms dont (besides a dick), a history to look at. Mtfs have occupied a lot of social spaces in a lot of different places. I can find an identity for me as a mtf rather than an imperfect woman.
I cant think of any established ftm groups let alone one equvivilant to galli.
For what its worth i think all this makes ftms terribly brave, it takes something to willingly make yourself male.
>>8281235
It might sound subjective but if you have dysphoria it takes over your life and leaves you unable to function. It's not a mere feeling it's your whole existence.
If you were to take a random non-dysphoric girl, forced her to live as a boy, and gave her testosterone at puberty, I think most people would expect that the girl would be severely distressed and would want to change back to being a girl. I think trans people are in a similar situation.
I'm ftm. My stance on having a vagina is pretty neutral. I'd rather have a cis dick. The thought of getting bottom surgery scares me, and I don't know if I'd personally be happy with a manufactured penis vs a perfectly functioning vag. There's no guarantee how you'll feel afterwards. And thinking of dealing with a catheter for weeks... Fuck that.
I don't like having a pussy, but I accept it. My boobs bother me much more.
>>8281434
>And thinking of dealing with a catheter for weeks... Fuck that.
imo a temporary thing like that even if it's for weeks is a small price to pay
not discounting the other problems with bottom surgery
>>8279961
you're describing HSTSs, who have very mild to no dysphoria
AGPs would have severe dysphoria much stronger than FTMs, because at worst FTMs are just completely passable manlets
typical of a man to not recognize the struggles of a woman, and to actively oppress them.
>>8281490
AGPs can get perfectly fine looking vaginas plus they're cheaper and all in one surgery. FTMs will NEVER have a dick. Even if they get srs, it's just a roll of skin. I'll take death instead, thanks
>>8281434
This is exactly how I feel. Bottom surgery seems scary af and like what is the point if I can't have a cis dick is how I feel. If they make it so you can have a transplant or something in the future then I'll take that but rn no thanks.
>>8281512
>perfectly fine
>implying
not to mention, even if that were true what good does a "perfectly fine" vagina do when you're 6'2 with hulk shoulders and narrow hips?
a million times easier being perfectly passable with zero effort than having a "perfectly fine" genital reconstruction
>>8281516
Let me guess, you let guys fuck you in your vagina. Why not just stay a girl at that point senpai?
>>8281516
>what is the point if I can't have a cis dick
Because otherwise you have a vagina? Because you can still fuck and pee with it?
>>8281577
I have never had sex so I don't know, the thought makes me uncomfortable though, I'd rather fuck the guy or a girl but I can't have a real dick so that just makes me depressed and the bottom surgery we have rn just, it just makes me sad it's not a cis dick.
>>8280054
this
>>8279961
If I looked like Griffith I wouldn't even have bothered.
>>8280328
>tried doing things like cutting it off with scissors as a kid
>tfw I was about to try that as a fourth grader, but as I was sitting on the floor with the scissors in hand, I had doubts about my scissors' ability to cut through something so stringy, and I didn't want to explain why I did it in the emergency room
>pic related
I wish I had known to go for the balls instead, that would have been worth it. And despite the story, I never had much genital dysphoria in my life. I just knew girls didn't have dicks. I've only had one moment where I was really like, "WTFFFFFFFFFFF???????!!!!!!!!!" because of my genitals. Then there were other moments where I felt mild discomfort over my penis, but those moments aren't as bad as how I feel about things like my hips, rib cage, shoulders, etc. Maybe because I know I can get a decent vagina the moment I pay for it, but a cis-tier female skeleton is impossible to buy. A vagina is always on the table, but only early transition could have given me a good skeleton and the chance for that has passed without any do-overs without some tremendous development in medical science. I know if males were born without nipples, I would feel like absolute shit over the lack of them and wonder how a surgeon could even make them.
>>8281654
with hormones alone FTMs always pass
>>8280340
I don't think either healthcare system could really be accurately compared by someone who hasn't experienced both. For example, I'm American, but when I went to see my family who live in a Latin American country with socialized healthcare, the public hospitals weren't comparable to the private clinics (the same as hospitals as we recognize them in the US). The public hospital was overcrowded, as in you had to stand because the seats were filled. The clinic had seats to spare. Of course, the country is pretty much a banana republic so there's corruption and likely embezzling of funds meant for use by the public healthcare system, but it didn't seem that different from what I've heard of people going through the NHS.
>>8281926
They really don't all the time. Some will forever just look like butch lesbians. or ftms.
Can't we all just agree than being trans is painful no matter what the sex?
>>8281328
Joan d'Arc and Mary Read
Can only name two cuz I'm really baked rn but I know many more. Always assumed it was the other way around and mtfs were the erased ones.
Out of interest, who were the notable ones?
>>8281490
I wish all ftms could pass desu
t. repressing ftm, excessively massive mommy tits and can't afford top surgery why live
>>8282143
>Joan d'Arc and Mary Read
>FTMs
[citation needed]
>>8282163
I hope you don't mind me asking this, but what's your bra size and do you use your underbust measure as your band size or do you add some inches/centimeters?
>>8279961
I'm dysphoric as fuck personally. I can't stand to see, touch, or even remember the dick. If my bf accidentally brushes it I freak out and sometimes I'll even have a relatively light panic attack (I get real bad ones sometimes, so I can tell it's 'lesser' but still horrific). When I have to put lotion on it I get it over as fast as possible, I sit to avoid touching it, I've done a sort-of quasi-tuck my whole life.
And that's not counting what I call Rib Days, where one glance in the mirror will crush me and I'll feel literal physical pain for a moment, like a whooshing kick right to the solar plexus.
There are other things too, but those are the big ones. Smaller ones include my brow (naturally), shoulders, height, age, and general fear itself.
I guess I just don't match up to your normal experiences very well, but yes...some of us do indeed have really bad dysphoria.
>morons responding to a bait thread
Kill yourselves, all of you.
>>8282959
t. moron who replies to and bumps bait threads
>>8281948
Third world health care is in no way comparable to first world health care, government ran or not.
To be fair to the American health system, if it was as socialized as Canada or European countries, it would be extremely expensive so I can see why neither the left or right are able to come up with a perfect solution.
>>8281965
Makes me wonder now that a lot more people are finding out ftms exist as well, are they becoming more likely to get clocked?
>>8283032
I think it's to do with the whole bathroom law fiasco and all the super passable ftms in women's restrooms. The dumbest of the dumb Americans were tuned in to the whole thing.
>>8283032
Maybe a little but mainly only with people involved in the lgbt community. I think for the majority of the public they still would go from cis woman to cis male and wouldn't guess at ftm.
>>8283047
Nah they weren't that tuned in. They were busy shouting at butch women to get out the ladies bathroom thinking they were mtfs. They may know that ftms exist now but those few passable ftms taking selfies in the womens bathroom wouldn't have made them better at clocking them.
I feel absolutely awful about my dick and feel incredibly jealous of cis girls genitals. That said I can manage to force those thoughts out sometimes. If I had the option to get srs i would not take it, only because of what itd entail. I dont want a srs vagina, i want the real thing and properly spaced hips too. Having to choose between keeping my penis and getting an srs vagina ill keep my penis until medical advances happen.
>>8279961
As a mtf who almost put a shotgun in her mouth due to dysphoria and having a dick, yes we do feel it, what youre coming across is probably the 4chan community of people who do it for sex or the tumblr community who do it for attention
>>8279961
guess who has higher suicide rate
>>8279961
muh strawman
I know you're jelly about not getting a dick, but trust me bro it's pretty bitch tier what you did here. You should be feeling dysphoria over being such a whiny bitch but you don't. Do FTMs have less dysphoria? :^)
>>8282959
already on it
>>8282098
>>8282098
No, I wanted to be a tranny. I wanted to be a girl, but with a dick. A dickgirl. Any masculine features about me make me really uncomfortable, but as long as I'm passable I'm happy and I'm glad to be trans. I have a few that still need work but I know the end product will be amazing once I'm done with transition. I couldn't be a dickgirl if I was born a cisgirl.
>>8281654
>You can't say mtfs can have vaginas but ftms can't get dicks. Either than both can or both can't.
FTMs can literally get a dick. Their clitoris can be enlarged and extended, which is exactly what a dick is.
MTFs cannot get anything close to a vagina. There's a strong argument their penis to clit conversion is inferior to FTMs' clit to penis too.
>>8279961
Most MtF's (myself included) want to be perceived as a woman in their day to day lives, that's their main concern.
The dick doesn't really play a part in that. Also many MtF's aren't ok with being perceived as a gay boy, they just find it much more preferable to being perceived as an obvious transsexual.
>>8290031
>Enlarged clit = dick
Why are trannies so horrible at basic anatomy, physiology, and biology
>>8281948
>be canadian
>get almost anything I want free of charge and quick enough
>american ex
>performed self surgery to save money
Land of the free!
>>8290061
Socialism =/= Freedom
>>8290100
>free healthcare is socialism
Americans never mentally age past ten do they?
mtfs have it 9000 times worse you've got to be kidding me.
>>8290116
Pic related.
>>8290156
Enjoy dying of disease friend.
>>8279961
I'm constantly suicidal, the last time I tried to masturbate I immediately wanted to cry, and just touching my dick going to the bathroom or taking a shower makes me grimace. So I guess it depends on the person.