How do I stop thinking about wanting to be a girl and transitioning?

>>8154559
a) lobotomy
b) drug yourself up to the point you've given yourself a chemical lobotomy

>>8154559
Take hormones and have surgeries to the point you pass for cis and forget ever being trans

>>8154559
by transitioning of course :^)

>>8154559
Remember that if you try you will probably have the same constant thoughts about every little masculine feature you have unless it's your goal to be part of that thread.

It's possible it's just a phase and you will turn out a (slightly) feminine guy but a guy that's glad they're a guy nonetheless.

>>8154611
[citation needed]

>>8154611
How do you know if it's a phase or not? Would a phase last years? It's not always bad I don't always think about it non stop.

>>8154680
It's not a phase. Ignore him. You're AGP >>8150594

>>8154559
if you have dysphoria you need to transition, if you just want to meme transition then you just need to do basic self assessment and be comfortable with your own look, look for something else. Remember, your body should cause you real distress if its dysphoria.

>>8154741
also ignore this or any other retard who says AGP. its a meme from a discredited psych

>>8154772
"its a meme from a discredited psych" is a meme and a particularly retarded one.

Stop trying to hide the truth from OP.

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>>8154772

>tfw you have GID so you wanna be MtF but someone says you just have BDD, another says you have AGP, and a TERF from GC says you can just be GNC so you're not MtT, but you transition MtF / MtT with AA and E to fix your GID and get a GNC GAMP partner but people think you're both PsBi and say you're still AGP and not HSTS.

I wish I listened to /lgbt/ aka /tttt/ on my GID. Oh woe is me.

>>8154559

See a psych. Not a shitty Christian or conversion therapy psych. A psych that will actually work through your issues.

>>8154741
It can be a phase. I had a lot of thoughts about transitioning and a very strong feeling I should be a girl when I was younger. I am glad I didn't transition though because I grew to be very comfortable with what I am. I'm not saying that's the case for OP, or that they should or shouldn't transition.

>>8154680
Sorry buddy I don't have any definite answers. You're going to have to find out for your self. Yes it could last for many years.

>>8154772


Psychology itself is a pseudo-science, there is literally no empirical evidence for any claim in psychology aside from neuro-psych

>>8154769
How do you know you have dysphoria? Like sometimes I feel bad thinking that I'm not a girl or sometimes I'll look at myself in the mirror and think I look disgusting. I kinda obsess over not being a girl but I don't know.

>>8154855
>I am glad I didn't transition though because I grew to be very comfortable with what I am.
Why are you on /tttt/ today?

>>8154782
no u
AGP has nothing to do with dysphoria and therefore nothing to do with being trans

>>8154898
parts of my body that are male give me physical distress like my brow, adams apple, facial hair (oh god its like having pubes glued to your face), lack of breasts, male genetalia instead of female. etc. you get ""used"" to it in a broad sense but it never stops being awful. sensations make me want to rip or crush these things off of my person. If you have any symptoms like these chances are you wont be able to have them go away and they will only grow worse the more sexual dimorphic you become even if you don't have as much as I do..

>>8154911
I don't even know how fucked I would have been if I had grown facial hair or a prominent adam's apple, I'm already so dysphoric I can't function.

How long have you had the thoughts?
I've had gender problems on and off since childhood
It wasn't constantly too bad but every time the urges came back they came worse than before
Finally at 24 I was kinda depressed and anxious for other reasons and it hit me again super hard
I came here and realized I could selfmed so I started HRT 6 months ago and have been feeling a lot better ever since
I'll probably never pass or go fulltime anymore but I feel like I broke the stupid cycle and can properly focus on other things now that I stopped masculinizing
Just decide if it'll be worth it for you to do anything about it

>>8154904
>AGP has nothing to do with dysphoria
How did you figure this?

>>8154923
AGP is about being attracted to your own female body it stands for autogynophilia. since being trans is about having dysphoria of some kind IE symptoms that are reduced by treatment (HRT AND SURGERY), how attracted and fetishized you are to your own female body is fucking irrelevant to and has nothing related to being trans

>>8154928
AGP and dysphoria often at least coincide though
And having one doesn't invalidate the other

>>8154932
it is IRRELEVANT
also AGP is generally used as a slur or other meme to discredit someone from actually being trans you moron.

>>8154940
eh I know but AGP erasure just triggers me

>>8154949
it is a god damn fetish, it doesn't need publicity. and its never going to be erased, go on exhentai and search gender bender if you want more "representation"

>>8154956
It's not a fetish. It's a cause of dysphoria.

>>8154940
>AGP is generally used as a slur or other meme to discredit someone from actually being trans
Thanks to people like you.

>>8154993
AGP isn't the cause of dysphoria, it's the other way around.

>>8154956
>>8154993
>>8154999
I mean I do agree that publicity does AGPs (and all trans(women) by extension) no good
It just will never be palatable to the general public that someone would transition (or just take some steps) for any kind of sexual reason when it requires actual medical care

>>8155010
Explain cis AGPs.

>>8155029
>I mean I do agree that publicity does AGPs (and all trans(women) by extension) no good
Lying about the causes of transsexuality does trans people no good.

>It just will never be palatable to the general public
Homosexuality is palatable.

>>8155055
Yes but homosexuality doesn't require you to change your body and public identity radically or generally get any special medical care
And when that medical care is publicly funded people are very interested to know how the money is used
And if they find out that any of it really is going to people who, roughly speaking, could be said to be doing it "only for fetish reasons" they're not going to be too happy

>>8155101
And the harm you do to trans people through your lies is acceptable collateral damage?

>>8155121
All I'm saying is that the internet is probably the right place for most AGP discussion (outside medical circles) lest a really shitty and annoying can of worms be opened in public

>>8155055
>explain CIS AGP
cis agp litterally disproves your idea that it leads to dysphoria

>>8155121
>>8155055
>durrr
you seem awfully invested in transexuality being a fetish and not from dysphoria. I hope you are just a retarded troll and not OP, because if the latter you should just go back to /pol/

>>8155245
I'm OP they're not me

>>8155239
Cis AGP is dysphoria sans internalized lunacy

>>8155245
I Honestly just abandoned my thread when I saw all this agp autism

>>8155265
being attracted to our own feminity isn't dysphoria, sexual pleasure is the opposite of severe discomfort in your own skin.

>>8155239
Cis AGP proves AGP causes dysphoria.

>>8154559
I'm new, so I'm just going to spoiler my whole post and add a trigger warning: heteronormativity
[spoiler]Stop watching porn. If you wouldn't sit in a room with a couple having sex and masturbate to them, then don't watch porn.
The screen adds a psychological shield to the abnormality of the act.
Also, by doing this you are de-programming yourself from making the sex via your penis into making the sex via her pleasure, which is not what it's about. This is where your psychological desire to be the woman comes from, as you identify the act of sex with the female pleasure, rather than the pleasure you feel yourself.[/spoiler]

>>8154559
Stop browsing lgbt or stop being retarded

I came to this board to barely help people and shitpost against lesbians.

Im still not going to transition or want to be a girl. I'm nota failure at life who needs attention by pullingshit like that

Maybe you *should* transition, maybe not.

Find something else to focus on. Something to be happy about and obsess over. I know it sounds cold, but i am bein' real. Try something new.

Career? GF/BF? Relocate?

Like girls? Try dating a few guys. Or do the opposite. Give it a try *even if you don't want to.* It doesn't mean you have to screw, just enjoy some new company. You only live once!

Change your life up. Shake it up.

Watch 'Yes Man' and take notes.

I sometimes think about it, but try to stay busy and am generally happy. Sure I want to be a beautiful woman, or a billionaire, but it isn't going to happen, so I don't obsess over it. That doesn't mean the world around us isn't full of beautiful adventures.

>>8155384
>shitpost against lesbians

what did lesbians ever do to you?

>>8155312
wrong, see >>8155285

>>8155245
You obviously aren't capable of sensible discussion.

>>8155480
you haven't had anything sensible to discuss.

>>8155285
Yes, loving one's own femininity is all well and good

but when you're experiencing severe discomfort from the lack thereof, it is dysphoric. (And believing that said discomfort means you're anything other than a mentally ill dude is just wrong.)

>>8154559
by transitioning and becoming a girl

If I told you that you aren't trans would you be totally relieved or secretly upset?

>>8160153
I would probably be a little upset and argue I was with you to be honest.

>>8160181

Then you have your answer and it is as simple as that.

You want to be a girl for more than a passing thought. Your desire is a fervant wish and a deeply held belief you suffer conflict over and would gladly fight for.

You aren't an idiot. You know if you say you're a boy you're betraying your feelings. If you say you're a girl you're betraying the reality of how you have unhappily and happily lived from time to time always wanting that one final piece of the puzzle to fall in place.

Why are you here? Perhaps you want validation your desires are true and can be made real or perhaps you want people to assure you it will all go away in a few decades time. Whatever the reason your desire is real and you won't be letting go.

All you are doing is wasting time you'll never get back fighting for something that was your decision all along.

>>8154928
Agp is a meme, or do cis females think of themselves as men when having sex?

>>8154919
>Finally at 24 I was kinda depressed and anxious for other reasons and it hit me again super hard
>I came here and realized I could selfmed so I started HRT 6 months ago and have been feeling a lot better ever since
>I'll probably never pass or go fulltime anymore
you sound literally 3 steps ahead of me, i just broke a month ago and bought some pills. Dysphoria is hitting me hard. Do you really have no chance at passing? Im 23, and still hold out hope despite my huge arms and hands.

>>8160153
Not OP, I'd be disbelieving.

>>8160249
I have to say that was probably the most helpful post I've ever read on 4chan. Like you actually read me like a book.

>>8160296
Yeah I'm fairly sure, I'm 5'11 with 18 inch shoulders and my face is super long

>>8160302

I genuinely wonder if you are still eagerly waiting for a reply.

People may get angry, sad, bargain with you, and draw it out. People might propose solutions, agreements, offers, threats, and lies. However I am confident you have an answer for us right now: Are you transgender?

>>8154559
you don't. Now go be a pretty lil minx, sugar. <3

>>8160436
thats too bad :(
im not quit as bad, and even i don't want to attempt passing. So i can only imagine how it feels. I still occasionally think i might be able to go back, repress, and move on though.

>>8155431
The hijacking of feminism and their kill all men bullshit

>>8160444
Yes I'm transgender. I'm actually really shocked after all this time the thing that helped me the most was a post on 4chan.

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>>8154559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyPLnlbOIIs

>>8160472
what the fuck is this? Just give me more reasons to hate myself by association. Why can't we just all stay inside all day and die in piece?

>>8160444
As weird as it was to have an epiphany on 4chan I just want to say thank you.

>>8154559
Go to Susan's Place and realize you don't want to end up like that

>>8160491
welcome to the club, hon. Try not to kill yourself

>>8160498
Been there done that. That's what happens when you repress.

>>8160468
If you're incapable of passing, don't forget that's just a word for your condition. You don't HAVE to transition - but you should if you can.

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>>8160498
Are these people unironically existing like this?

>>8160523
Well I wont know until I try. I'm sure it will be a gamble but it's probably worth it. I mean if I don't pass I could always save up for ffs.

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>>8160498
You can't always get what you want.
But if you try real hard you just might get what you need.

>>8160282
I'm a dude who doesn't need to think that I'm a dude to find girls and boys attractive.

You get over whatever emotionally traumatic shit caused you to not identify with your birth gender.

Bullying, sexual confusion, low self-esteem etc. etc.

Stop thinking all of your psychological issues are explainable by gender dysphoria - they are not.

You will have blown it out of proportion.

Perhaps you will see transition as a way of escaping and avoiding dealing head on with a lack of masculinity - strong sense of identity, success etc.

Source - transitioned, passed, name change, hormones, all of it. Except surgery.

All of the above was true of me and I KNOW it is true of a lot, if not most, trans people.

Get therapy - embrace your past emotional trauma and overcome it, get discipline with your health, wellbeing, emotional stability, life goals.

Don't trick yourself that this is all "legit" and explain away every negative aspect to your life - or psyche, as beign caused by dysphoria. You probably never even had dysphoria until about 10 or later - and even then have blown it out of proporiton.

Take control of your life and yourself.

Try that

>>8166788

This reads like a TERF in disguise at worst and an insane amount of projection at best. Dayum.

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>>8166853
It is good advice, actually.
Your problem is that you come here to fight rather than to honestly look for answers.

>>8166984
ditto,
i never understand why people would pick trans as a scapegoat for their broken lives

it's such a tough life and it's like they are setting themselves up for failure

>>8166788
And what if you came to the same conclusion, went to therapy, went on medication, tried to improve yourself/masculinity/success and really really tried to be happy with who you are, but even when everything should be perfect (good job, close to friends and family, independent, physically fit, etc) you still go to sleep every night feeling like total shit about your existence and considering killing yourself because it's too late to transition and even after a decade of self-improvement and therapy you still really fucking hate everything about yourself?

>>8154559
Go find something useful that peaks your interest. Pick up a hobby, learn a language, volunteer at a homeless shelter -- but most importantly get off fucking 4chan and get a god damn life.

>>8167178

Then you go on /lgbt/ and tell people they're too late to transition and they're AGP so misery can have company.

>>8154559
Don't collect cute girl pics. Girls don't do it and they don't look like that in the first place.
Watch less anime and go outside more.
Stop watching porn.
Be a less miserable human being and don't pin all your problems to your sex.

>>8166788
>Perhaps you will see transition as a way of escaping and avoiding dealing head on with a lack of masculinity - strong sense of identity, success etc.
that's true. so? it doesn't mean i won't be happier as a girl.

>>8170772
>and they're AGP
They mostly are.

>>8170789

I wonder if you're the anon who I helped with the epiphany a short while ago. If so, you should begin the process to transition now.

If you're in an informed consent jurisdiction then best wishes. However, if you are in a typical GP -> Referral to Psych -> Diagnosis with GID -> Referral to Endocrinologist type jurisdiction then you should start the process immediately since you will have more than enough time to seriously think it over by the time the appointments roll around. The worst thing you could possibly do at this point is think on doubts for a few months / years then decide to start the process and be subjected to egregiously long waiting times.

Alternatively and concurrently, DIY hormones can cause you to be shortlisted by medical professionals and turn 18 month waiting times into about a month or two. There are risks with DIY hormones but these are usually exaggerated. To be clear on this point, this is your decision and you are encouraged to educate yourself on how to do this safely.

Sometimes transition can be daunting and fill you with doubts but that's perfectly normal and okay. Seeking to transition and even getting validation you really are trans can feel like a weight off your chest and a burden off your shoulders. Not every problem will disappear, and more than a few problems will arise from transitioning. Yet taking these issues one step at a time rather than giving up before you start is the difference between being a happy woman with a few problems versus a man with remaining doubts on transitioning who takes pride in causing their own suffering.

If you have doubts that's fine. Just reflect on how you got to where you are today and what your future may be. Transitioning can sometimes be a balancing act that makes you feel selfish, overwhelmed, or lonely. It's okay. Yet whatever you do, never develop a habit of second guessing your own calculated judgment at the whim of people with an agenda. That includes everyone, even me.

>>8170829
>I wonder if you're the anon who I helped with the epiphany a short while ago.
i don't think so. i don't think i'll transition. i'd like to read the epiphany?

>>8154559
lift weights

>>8170841

>>8160153

>>8171700
welp, i'd be >>8160181 and >>8160297

>>8170829
I'm the anon that had the epiphany. I do actually have an informed consent clinic a few hours away from where I live. I'm still kinda afraid of taking the first few steps though as it is pretty scary but at least I know I'm trans now. You really are good with words you should seriously be a therapist or something I swear.

>>8174498
or why not go through therapy and see if you actually have legit gid? and get hormones that way and not ic

>>8175277
Honestly I doubt I would've wanted to be a girl for over half my life if I wasn't trans I'm pretty certain I'm trans. Therapy would probably be nice and all but if I go through with everything I wouldn't want to wait too long.

>>8154559
Think about how ugly you would turn out.

>>8154559
Suck some cocks, take some dicks, and when you cum, you'll have a few minutes of your most rational and logical thoughts.

If you don't feel like transitioning and becoming a girl during your refractory period, then you're just emotionally (and likely chemically) unstable.

>>8179343
What does it mean if you still want to be a girl and still kinda want to transition but it's not as bad as it is normally?