do you deny your past /lgbt/? if so, why? why can't you just admit you're like this because you got molested or got picked on by the same gender and feel inferior?
fetishists not welcome in this discussion, it doesn't apply to you
>>8106501
But I was never molested or picked on, Pence-sama
In fact I was the bully
>>8106515
gay or trans?
>Y-You were molested
>instead of girls being inherently boring and uninteresting
If it were environmental it would be because of girls, and girls are naturally boring as fuck, so by extension it would be natural anyways.
What I'm trying to say is that straight men literally have no taste, and should be shamed if they have sex for fun instead of procreation.
Because you cannot have fun with girls.
They're like some sort of anti-fun. Fun cannot exist with girls.
It's just physically impossible.
>>8106532
mtf
>>8106501
but i didn't get molested or picked on by the same gender. and there are plenty more cis-heteros that got molested and/or picked on by the same gender.
it's not like even if your theory was correct there's anything we could do about it
>>8106552
why were you a bully?
>homosexuality is acquired
>homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end.
Pick ONE, you queens
>>8106563
I bullied people I found to be bad persons, I was sort of a justice bully
Idk
>>8106559
i should've added ''had same-sex relationships as children'' instead of ''you got molested''
>>8106570
i'm an individual, not ''queens''
>>8106584
Not them but I didn't have that either
>>8106584
but i the only time i had a "relationship" before 18 was when i was 16 and it was with a girl. it didn't work out obviously because my dick doesn't get hard for girls and i was trying to fit in.
alright op here, i shouldn't have been so confident in my claims, i'm just trying to explore this theory as a lof of lgbt actually have went through this, at least the ones i've irl so far have
>>8106613
*i've met irl. if you could try to explore this theory with me by telling me what you think might have caused you to become lgbt that'd be much appreciated
>inb4 le born this way meme
just give it a try
>>8106613
i think it's funny because the same people that enjoy the "all gays must have been molested as children!!" meme are usually the same people pushing the "we must kill all gays!!" meme. to me it doesn't make sense, like you think we're gay because we were molested as children and so we should be killed for something that in theory we would have had no control over whatsoever?
look at scientific theories instead op. namely, epigenetics. being gay/trans is likely caused by the amount of hormones you were exposed to in the womb, at least that is the leading theory anyways. it's just yet another natural variation of humanity
>>8106650
op here. i'm gay and was molested for years as a kid, i don't believe lgbt people should be killed i just believe there should be (optional) treatment for lgbt to become straight/cis. also, i already have, i'm trying to explore this like i said
>>8106672
>i just believe there should be (optional) treatment for lgbt to become straight/cis.
So [[[you]]] want "optional" treatment?
>>8106684
yes, and i'm sure i'm not the only one. is there something wrong that? why should i be denied a chance to try to change my sexuality?
>inb4 hurr durr self-loathing gay
i'm not self-loathing at all, i just want to have a traditional family someday
>>8106672
but no such treatment exists yet. i would like one too but we don't have the technology.
>>8106704
>why should i be denied a chance to try to change my sexuality?
Nothing stopping you from putting a fork in a power outlet.
>i just want to have a traditional family someday
Oh you're one of [[[those]]] people.
>>8106719
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/major-study-changing-sexual-orientation-is-possible
>>8106741
>https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/major-study-changing-sexual-orientation-is-possible
>hrough involvement in a variety of Christian ministries affiliated with Exodus International.
>23 percent reported success in the form of an essential change to heterosexual orientation and functioning, while an additional 30 percent reported no longer identifying as homosexual while maintaining stable behavioral chastity.
>These results do not prove that categorical change in sexual orientation is possible for everyone or anyone, but rather that meaningful shifts along a continuum that constitute real changes appear possible for some,”
w e w
>>8106787
>a variety of Christian ministries affiliated with Exodus International.
So [[[they]]] were at it again after all.
>>8106570
Homosexuality is acquired, yes, but wheter it's genetic, hormonal, environmental, or even a combination of all three is still uncertain.
However, in every of these categories there still are ways that homosexuality can be "passed on".
If it's genetic, it could be epigenetic, or it could be a recessive gene, or a gene that only "activates" in specific conditions.
If hormonal or environmental, then it should be obvious why it can be "passed on".
>>8106501
how do i tell if im a fetishist or if i'm proof you're wrong?
>>8106787
what are you trying to prove? change is possible
>>8106819
>fetishist
'''''homosexuals''''' who don't feel romantic/emotional attraction to the same gender
>proof you're wrong
i don't mind being proven wrong i'm just exploring this idea
>>8106501
any kind of preference based on gender is artificial
>>8106634
>only give me anecdotes that reaffirm my hypothesis, not any that challenge it
Anyway, I'm MtF and my younger sister used to horribly bully me a lot, and my dad would often bar me from doing things I wanted to do if he deemed them too feminine.. But of course, I had GNC traits before that even started.
I'd say it's probable that LGBT people are more likely to be abused, not that abused people are more likely to be LGBT.
>>8106872
>only give me anecdotes that reaffirm my hypothesis, not any that challenge it
because i'm already familiar with the born this way theory
>>8106821
yeah i'm sure people who think they'll literally be sent to the worst torture imaginable for all of eternity if they don't "change" have no motivation to be biased in reporting their sexuality
>>8106899
didn't think about that, regardless i still believe change is possible
>>8106868
you can be attracted to certain physical traits, generally associated with a specific gender but it makes no sense to be associated to a gender
>>8106916
i believe so too but we literally don't have the technology yet or haven't discovered how yet. to discover a real cure we need to focus on the real causes, which means looking at the science and not just 'well i have this hunch all gay ppl were molested as children/bullied/possessed by satan/whatever else'
>>8106926
*attracted to a gender
>>8106501
I was molested by dudes and now I'm a lesbian, what do you have to say about that?
>>8106839
i'm trans but i like men, so i'm not a fetishist.
but i wasn't molested or bullied much either.
>>8106955
op here
https://youtu.be/Gba_DfIC3Io
go to 10:35
your story isn't that uncommon, a lesbian friend of mine also went through the same
>>8106930
scientists don't discard the option of homosexuality and trangenderism being environmental tho
>>8106965
ok ty
>>8106989
they mostly think it's due to genetics atm which is what the evidence is pointing towards
>>8106872
How did she bully you? What did your dad bar you from?
>>8107011
epigenetics* mb
>>8106501
Can you admit that you're only a Republican because of neurological damage caused by lead paint dust inhalation?
>>8106987
Seems neat. But also I've always looked at girls and didn't know I was gay until it became a popular insult in middle school.
>>8108085
This is why you lose elections.
>>8108143
An unsupported claim should be met with an unsupported claim.
Why should I give you the courtesy you don't supply to others?
Why are only 3% of Republicans scientists?
Why are 96% of Republican scientists geologists?
>>8106613
I do not know what caused it. I used to get crushes on girls. One day I got a crush on a cute boy. I identify as bisexual, but I am mainly attracted to other males.
>>8108143
wrong, we lose elections bc the DNC rigged it for hillary because it was #HerTurn
you try winning an election with such a horrible candidate. at least trump has the whole 'outsider' thing going for him
>>8108256
>Why are only 3% of Republicans scientists?
Scientists tend to be idealists, and idealists tend to the left. Same thing for most teachers and people in the humanities (sans geography, somehow).
I do believe most people in STEM and economics and trades are more right-leaning, though, as those people tend to be more oriented towards practical matters.
All about the question of "what is" versus "what should be"?
>>8106501
just admit you're mad they're doing something you're too self repressed to do
>>8108439
>Muh "LGBT are be descriminated against? Must be the fault of all them damn LGBT degenerates!" meme
>>8108468
Not sure if trolling or blatantly incoherent. Either way it's not your fault and do whatever makes you happy.
>>8107017
Apologies for the late reply.
My sister would steal and break my things, attack and spit on me, and try to separate me from my friends by lying to me about them or lying to them about me.
My dad just didn't like me doing feminine stuff in general. As an example, I enjoyed cooking and baking with my mom, but I guess he saw that as too feminine so he'd limit my ability to do that and try to get me into sports and such instead.
>>8108518
When you straights pretend to be gay and then insult straight people and call them gay, blaming everything on the gays, that's just more straight dog shit.
>>8108439
op here, i'm not self repressed at all..
>>8108085
op here, i'm not american, and i'm right wing if that's what you're insinuating
>>8108558
*i'm not right wing
>>8106501
homosexuality is environmental but not (strictly) in the ways you described
also the pence meme is both false and stale, move on already