>Would you date a male feminist?
I'm a cis gay guy and I want my mother and sister to get equal pay and respect in the workplace.
I don't think I could date anyone who's a feminist. Nothing against them, but even aside from all the culty baggage that shallow internet feminists have created, I've been hearing feminist shit from my mother all my life which just makes it super fucking grating and naggy.
Feminists are as bad as leftists!
Those are bad too!
I hate Niggers!
The only cool people are Nationalists!
White Nationalists who love Trump!
He's gonna Make America Great Again!!
Because he's playing 5D Chess, bitches!
You have to Go Back!
The Wall Just Got Higher!!
You forgot to mention SJWs.
Oh yeah, and Muslin.
It is truly the worst fabric.
No. I hate that the LGBT community is so infested with feminism. I can't be a part of the LGBT group at school because it's basically just a feminist group.
I'm not going to hate myself for being a man, and I'm not going to date a man who hates himself (and me) just because we're men
Also PSA: Gay males make up the vast majority of gay hate crime victims. So much for that male privilege
Idk most leftists I met are feminists. Or egalitarians. Or just hippies in general. Whatever you wanna call it, they eat organic and talk about peace and love and why all war is bad, that kind of crap.
Not sure what you're talking about with the hating your own gender thing, I haven't met any feminist guys like that [aside from aforementioned manipulative assholes who shit-talk men in the hopes of sleeping with me.] If anything, they go too far with the whole "connecting to my primal natural masculinity desu" crap. I have been witness to a naked drum circle. If it works for them, though, why not?
Could be that I just live around a bunch of hippies with guns though. It's pretty cool here. You'd like it, if you like people who generally don't get up in your grill about politics or cuss words.
To settle this once-and-for-all:
Feminism is low self-esteem.
>Society should stop shaming me for being fat!
Translation: I feel insecure when I look in the mirror
>Magazines promote an unhealthy body image!
Translation: I feel ashamed and guilty when I see thin pretty women
>Women shouldn't be submissive towards men! "Alphas" are misogynistic!
Translation: I have an inferiority complex towards men, feel lesser than them because of insecurity, and overcompensate for that
>Girl Powaaah! Girls are the best!
Feminism's foundation is projection, compensation and petty anger as a defense mechanism.
Feminine women aren't feminists. Playboys aren't feminists. Lesson there somewhere.
Funny you say that. Camille Paglia is a feminist who supports equality, and Gloria Steinem once said "her calling herself a feminist is like a Nazi saying they're not anti-semitic"
So yeah, there are feminists who support equality, but other feminists don't like those ones very much
"Ignoring" the problems wouldn't be that shitty, it's that feminists actively fight against anybody who *doesn't* ignore those problems.
well yeah I'm an egalitarian too. There's a huge overlap between homophobia and sexism, so any LGBT should be against sexism.
>I haven't met any feminist guys like that
ALL feminist guys are like that. Feminism tells us that women need to be treated better than men and that nobody should even be allowed to talk about men's issues. Maybe "hate" is too strong of a word but obviously male feminists don't care about their own gender at all
>don't care about their own gender at all
Again, just my experience, but not true in the slightest. There are constant benefits and lunches and fundraisers and walks for things like veteran's aid, prostate cancer, etc. around here usually organized by the aforementioned hippies. Of course, they also do that stuff for diabetes, animal rescues, etc. Honestly, it gets to the point where you just wanna roll your eyes because every day is some kind of charity event.
There's also men's support groups available, like in church or at the therapist's office, but I suppose if any of my male friends are using those services they aren't apt to talk about it. I don't blame them, I don't like airing my laundry either.
Again, this is just where I live. I have no idea, maybe these guys go home and rub their balls with menthol while whipping themselves to a picture of Gloria Steinem. And obviously, not everyone identifies as feminist or leftist or whatever. But it's pretty peaceful and no one seems to want to make life difficult for either gender.
Maybe it's a culture thing, most small towns are pretty quiet and chill like this, imho. People try to work together as best they can. I'm guessing it's different where you live?
>it's that feminists actively fight against anybody who *doesn't* ignore those problems.
If it's something like pro life vs pro choice, that score will never be settled.
Because the fair thing to do is this: if you want to have a kid and your pregnant wife or gf doesn't, and you can afford a surrogate (or the health insurance system magically reforms to be perfect, and pays for it) then you should be able to have your child and she should be able to sign over full custody. So she suffers no unwanted potential bodily harm like gestational diabetes or cancer and you get to prove you can be a shitty single parent too.
I didn't know that but it's amazing how my analogy mirrored that quote.
>Camille Paglia is a feminist
When you fight antisemitism and the Nazis hate you for it, can you really still count as a Nazi?
I dunno, ask the men going. If I'd hazard a guess, it's probably for the group therapy aspect. They can talk about their stuff with other men and not feel judged or non-manly, maybe?
feminists are just people.
most of them don't want to murder babies.
they just want women to make the decisions that change their lives, like what grows in their wombs, not some man in an ivory tower.
your hatred of feminists seems strange considering you don't even know what they actually believe.
educate yourself and stop trying to divide and conquer.
Depends on what they believe.
Really as long as they're not sex negative puritans who want people silenced and bully anyone who disagrees then sure I'd give em a shot.
Although that probably weeds out like 90% of them
>feminism isn't about equality
>we should kill people who disagree with me
Pretenders are the worst male feminists though.
Epic, truly epic.
Do you think men being more likely to die on the job is a "le maymay" as well?
Actually that's not real feminism. Real feminism requires abolishing sex roles and judging people based on their personal traits. So the idea that men and women require each other is nonsensical in that context, because "man" and "woman" are useless categories. People require other people (though not neccessarily in a romantic sense), but it's not really a gender issue.
Being a feminist doesn't mean you hate your own gender. Most variants of leftism do require you to at least believe in equal rights for all people, however.
>women who conform to men's expectations aren't feminists
Really makes you think...
Really to vague to be meaningful. Almost everyone claims to do so, so saying she supports equality is really just a way of saying "I agree with her for the most part".
>Feminism tells us that women need to be treated better than men and that nobody should even be allowed to talk about men's issues.
I've never encountered feminists who say things like that. The most they say is that men's issues are overemphasized and exaggerated compared to those of women.
Unlike the Nazis, feminism doesn't have a leader, so you can't be "excommunicated".
Yes, but their ideology is "My group lost the war because of group X and group Y, therefore group X and group Y should be exterminated." not "My group is disadvantaged compared to group X so we should have laws granting us equal rights".
So much for the tolerant right
>literally everyone in the thread disagrees with you so you have to reply to 15 FUCKING PEOPLE
>and know a lot of commie guys
So you know a bunch of losers that devote their lives to an ideology that will be dead in 5 years or so?
The commie ideology is all about self hatred and self slavery.
>being triggered so hard you have to reply with virtue signalling instead of a rebuttal
>ideology that will be dead in 5 years or so?
Lel, people have been saying that since 1848.
>The commie ideology is all about self hatred and self slavery.
No, it's about recognizing that society is inherently a collective entity, and that viewing everything in absolute terms is silly. Without societal obligation, there would be no society, and much suffering, and no ability to exercise the "freedom" that we have.
>judging people based on their personal traits
How cucked are you? Feminism is about judging all women as part of a team and all men as part of the competing team, with no regard for individual choice and merit.
inb4 "not real Feminism!"
Yes, that man of pure Scottish ancestry who has lived in Scotland his entire life, is well-versed in Scottish culture, and is the de facto voice of Scotland in the media, is not actually a Scotsman because you don't like him.
So one feminist who I've never even heard of dictates all of what feminism is? And YOU have the nerve to accuse ME of judging people as a group?
Something can be "real feminism" without being representative of the entirety of feminism. Just like you can despise a Scottish serial killer without either thinking "he wasn't a real Scotsman" or that "all Scotsmen are bad."
Oh, I'm sorry, here's a Feminist you certainly HAVE heard of, saying Feminism is collectivist.
If you have a problem with your ideology being so fractured that nobody has a clue what you mean when you say "I am a Feminist", maybe you holding onto that label is doing more harm than good.
>not muh Feminism
Why should people take your word that Feminism is about one thing, and not someone else's word that Feminism is about the opposite thing? What gives you the authority? Did you invent Feminism? Do you own it?
>Do you think men being more likely to die on the job is a "le maymay" as well?
thats the whole point retard omg fucking kill yourself you self-indulgent slow motherfucker
men and women usually choose different jobs, the ones that women usually choose pay less both for men and women, the ones that men choose are more likely dangerous than the others
odds are no, trying to befriend someone whos already on your side is not only inefficient, but most outspoken male feminists are idiots who believe the paygap mythe and other sjw shill nonsense
actually moron most people hate feminists because they know feminists are just people, and people are out for their own neck first and foremost, and are prone to believing dumb shit as long as it benefits themselves personally
>I've never encountered feminists who say things like that. The most they say is that men's issues are overemphasized and exaggerated compared to those of women.
theyre wrong. and you're wrong. penis in vagina sex is rape is not a meme, famous 3rd wave feminists, respected figures, wrote a tone about this shit. I'm not some twat who thinks the MRM is any better, but holy shit is feminism broken. The aims of most feminism these days are divorced from reality
AND they want to litigate their way into positions of power instead of earning it.
this. as a feminist I believe and understand our movement is broken. Look at this fucking shit.
>penis in vagina sex is rape is not a meme, famous 3rd wave feminists, respected figures, wrote a tone about this shi
I didn't deny any of that. It's really just another facet of a meme that's been propagated for millennia, by not just feminists but non-feminist men and women as well. Feminists just took it to the logical conclusion. It comes from the whole notion that the meaning of sex is intrinsically tied to its form, with the consequence that penetration is considered inherently dominant and the one being penetrated is automatically regarded as submissive. That leads to sex being envisioned as an inherently unequal activity, with one partner being the "doer" and the other one being "the one done to". Claiming that PiV is rape is just taking that idea to the obvious conclusion. I don't agree with their conclusions, but they're logical given the premises (which I consider incorrect) they started from.
The only thing this rhetoric does is to demonize sex and submissive sex. in other words, if men are bitching about how women all have a rape fetish hur dur, and women are saying to other women "how dare you want to have sex with men its rape!" then the only sexual empowerment a feminist woman is allowed to have is abstinence and sexuality will only become more demonized. It doesn't matter if it's "logical" in terms of thought. it's also "logical" in thought that women should be submissive because women as a whole tend towards submission and it was a very effective survival and procreation strategy since before history existed. taking penetrative sex to its logical conclusion is just as retarded as taking submissiveness to its logical one and the feminist movement that supports it needs to back the fuck down.
that woman was banned from posting her images in the subreddit of food because of these whiny cunts.
I bet none of those asstwats would say a word about this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXYoduN0kWs despite him having the same attitude and being self made but having the skills to take professional shots and footage.
Absolutely not because they aren't men. I love a decent helping of femininity yet these "straight guys" take it way too far.
No it's literally just "No it's literally just Marxism with "bourgeois" and "proletariat" find+replace'd with "men" and "women"" with ""No it's literally just Marxism with "bourgeois" and "proletariat" find+replace'd with "men" and "women"." and "proletariat" find+replace'd with "men" and ""No it's literally just Marxism with "bourgeois" and "proletariat" find+replace'd with "men" and "women"."".
>So non-feminists who know jack shit what they're talking and are basically on the same level as MRAs who call feminists "feminazi".
So believing in patriarchy, male privilege, toxic masculinity, and fighting for the equality of all women does not suffice to make one a feminist?
>fighting for the equality of all women
Sanity check #1: Does your definition of "women" include people who were born male and lived as a man into their 30s? Do you consider the voices of these "women" to be authentic female voices? Do you think they should be centered in feminism because of the way violent men treat them?
Sanity check #2: Do you think there's an important distinction to be made between "equality of the sexes" and "liberation from male supremacy"? If so, which one is preferable?
>Does your definition of "women" include people who were born male and lived as a man into their 30s?
Considering that feminism is ultimately about equality between the genders, and not supremacy of one gender over the other, it's basically a non-issue. Maybe feminism won't consider them a priority, but working AGAINST the equality of trans people would be antithetical to feminism's goals.
>Do you think they should be centered in feminism because of the way violent men treat them?
Not CENTERED, certainly, since they represent at most 5% of all women. But their existence should be acknowledged, and since they are much more likely to be subjected to violence FROM MEN, rather than performing violence TOWARDS WOMEN, it makes sense to put them in the same category as women as far as domestic violence is concerned.
>Do you think there's an important distinction to be made between "equality of the sexes" and "liberation from male supremacy"? If so, which one is preferable?
The first is impossible to achieve without the second, unless we decide to subject men to female supremacy to "balance things out", which I don't think is desirable. The objective of feminism isn't to seek revenge.
>equality between the genders
>men's voices being considered authentic women's voices is a non-issue
>knowing that men are men means being against their human rights
>not coddling men's entitled balls in your feminism means you "seek revenge"
Sanity check: failed.
Let's please just agree to disagree. I'll consider you a neoliberal faux-feminist handmaiden of the patriarchy, and you feel free to consider me a female supremacist transphobe who wants to oppress men and trannies.
Yeah I can, and have.
So long as he's not super zealous and constantly trying to convert me; I can handle disagreeing with a significant other on insignificant things like gender politics.
Your comparison only works on a surface level and fails in the deeper sense because the former groups in your examples never claimed being opressed, therefore more virtuous than the latter groups. neither did they ever play the victim card and embrace slave morality, collectivist attitude and group identity (though Nazism might be an exception in the last case).
Imagine there's no niggers
It's easy if they die
All the Jews below us
Above us Jesus Christ
Imagine all the people
Living for today...
IMagine walls between countries
It isn't hard to do
Something to kill or die for
And no beaners too
Imagine all the people
You may say you are triggered
But i'm not giving a fuck
I hope someday you'll be gassed
And the world is free of cucks
>At no point did you say you were male, and if you are
Whoops, mixed up two threads. It was in the other one that the anon I was talking to knew.
>that means you were trying to mansplain feminism
Yeah whatever, if you're going to base your argument on the phenomenon of men trying to tell women how to do feminism right, there's a million times more men preaching neo-liberal faux-feminism than there are men who support radical feminism, so that argument kinda works against your position.
If he was actually interested in feminist theory and analysis, then that would be a bonus.
If he's just into bourgeois pop-feminism garbage, then I'd be turned off (but it's not a dealbreaker).