Seeing as Blanchardian HSTS theory has been basically accepted

>>7951874
Cara pls

>>7951874
Cara, are you basically saying you support transition as a means of conversion therapy for ultra femme homosexuals? Doesn't that go against your dislike for Robbie White?

>it's basically been accepted as fact

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>>7951901
hsts =! transitioning while being homosexual

>>7951928
*in regards to Blaire White

>>7951928
>>7951928
I know, but wouldn't you facilitate the creation of individuals like ""her""?

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>>7951955
Blaire transitioned out of fetishistic attachment to female iconography and not out of genuine gender non-conformity.

>>7951983
Okay, since you're the Blaire expert I'll trust you on that, so you're saying that facilitating transition for gnc youth wouldn't up the chances of creating more Blaire Whites?

>>7952009
what attributes are you thinking of when you say that?

>>7951874
No, HSTS theory explains why enabling their transition is the wrong move and they should instead be accepted by their peers.

>>7951874
>Blanchardian HSTS theory

What is that?

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>>7951955
>>7951874
>>7951901
Blaire is late transitioner, he had a fortune worth of reconstructive surgery with Harrison Lee

>>7952113
how did you find out the Harrison Lee thing?

>>7952086
Explain why all the Femboys take HRT and want surgery stuff then?

>>7952124
Not enough acceptance from their peers.

>>7951874
Cara, what do you hope to accomplish with this anyway? What's your end result?

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>>7952155
nothing, no reason at all. why do you ask?

>>7952174
Cause you once said you had a plan to change the world and blah blah blah?

>>7952198
i've been in a low spot for the last two months so i haven't really been up to much

>>7952223
>>7952174
Let's work together, engineer a plan where we and anyone else who wants to tag along promote the GOP and their new bathroom and id laws and general fearmongering against hons/AGP with the ultimate result that this exterminates all the AGP from public life, they all hero or closet.

We'll basically wipe 90+% of Trans from the surface of the earth.

>>7951927
yes and........?

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>>7951874
>Blanchardian HSTS theory has been basically accepted as fact
fuck off

>>7951927
>>7952360
Name one legitimate reason it's wrong. Protip: You can't.

>>7952144
People can be attached to their bodies to their bodies and looking androgynous or *like* females.

You're probably a fat slob so you have no idea of bdd and other drives. How disgusting, a swine of man wanting to dominate everyone else's body.

>>7952349
It's been rejected by the biggest tranny rights group or whatever. Why do you meme this so hard? Does it make you feel special or something?

>>7952368
>heliocentrism has been rejected by the biggest scientific advancement group or whatever!
>why do you meme this so hard?

>Blanchard's findings and research have been rejected by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the largest association of medical professionals who provides care for transsexual people, as lacking empirical evidence.[14][15]

>you and 8 people on the internet believe in this
>yeah definitel fact

>>7952391
Trans people being their transitioned sex lacks empirical evidence.

>>7952386
Who is we? Do you pass? Do you think you're an anime girl in real life? This stuff has nothing to do with whether or not someone passes, I can't even see how you'd come to that conclusion.

>>7952397
Are you the Lgbp poster by chance?

>>7952402
No, I just hate WPATH.

>>7952397
There isn't a psychosexual theory that anyone takes seriously that says transgender people *are* the gender they feel like either. Seriously stop wasting your time with this and get help transitioning if that's what you want. Stop spending all day calling people "agp's" on a Chinese checkers message board

>>7952368
It's a good excuse to cleanse ourselves. It's a good justification for embracing laws that would effectively exterminate anyone who tries to socially transition without passing flawlessly.

We have to cleanse ourselves, we are being eaten by rot and I'd rather we all die by fire than be eaten by rot.

>>7952414
I like to think that by calling certain people AGP I nudge them a little closer to suicide :)

>>7952365
Holy shit how can you be so retarded?

A five minute search on Ray Blanchard tells you all of his research on transsexualism has been rejected by the scientific community. It's basically not seen as more credible than pseudoscience.

Literally nobody gives his theories any importance except the autism-posters of 4chan.

>>7952401
No, not by the standards I believe in. I said that if you can't pass with short hair, with male clothes and no visible breasts or curves then you don't pass at all. There are idiots who say you can use long hair or makeup or clothes but that's ridiculous tricks to cover up rot.

I wouldn't socially transition unless I was sure, so don't worry. And I have my sucicde implement of choice at hand so if I were certain I'd failed, I would gladly end this all. I believe in what I preach and I have no problem with following my ideology to its proper path.

We is all of us, if we're all rotten then death is what we deserve. We're better off dead eitherway.
>>7952397
Again this is another justification for those laws. We need to help the GOP wipe trans for the face of the earth.
...Anonymous
03/20/17(Mon)00:55:43 No.7952386
>>7952368 #
It's a good excuse to cleanse ourselves. It's a good justification for embracing laws that would effectively exterminate anyone who tries to socially transition without passing flawlessly.

We have to cleanse ourselves, we are being eaten by rot and I'd rather We all die by fire than be eaten by rot.
Believe me, you won't regret it.

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>>7952456
The most effective way to cleanse it is to advocate the provable, medical necessity of transitioning and implement it only from the ground-up of childhood transitioning.

>>7952431
no one takes you seriously though so how does that work? stop and think for one second. why do you think you have more credibility when it comes to transgender issues then the leading institution of transgender rights, you crazy neet?

>>7952452
You're wrong but if you actually have any genuine critique of his research come back and post it.

>>7952431
When we pass those laws, you'll be the first to die, hon

>>7952500
Blanchard's findings and research have been rejected by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the largest association of medical professionals who provides care for transsexual people, as lacking empirical evidence.[14][15]
no empirical evidence
not fact
there
my guess is you won't shup up though so I'll just have to filter your nonsense

>>7952515
>>7952500

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>>7952500
>You're wrong
Autism at it's best

>>7952489
You seem like a good person. I'm sorry you were caught up in this.

>>7952525
>you're wrong because you're wrong
not an argument

>>7952532
>>7952553
but if you actually have any genuine critique of his research come back and post it.

>>7952562
lack of empirical evidence and being rejected by WPATH.

>>7952578
>genuine critique

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>>7952489
Caraposter is getting more and more insane every day.

The meme becomes real.

>>7952591
>prove ghosts aren't real, there's not sufficient enough evidence that they don't exist despite the lack of empirical evidence! ghosts are facts!

you're genuinely slow

>>7952602
how is that insane

>>7952602
They want to make the world better and cure a disease. You want us to be eaten by its festering wound.

>>7952606
>>7952562

>>7952607
>The most effective way to cleanse it is to advocate the provable, medical necessity of transitioning and implement it only from the ground-up of childhood transitioning.

This sentence alone is insane, and not recognizing the craziness of his ideas isn't much less crazier.
Also he is still using the same set of "complicated" words that he puts together without realizing he still doesn't sound right.

>>7952632
ayy lmao

>>7952645
Cara's basically saying that kids who are legitimately trans should be helped with their transition. How is that crazy?

>>7952644
things that don't have evidence for existing don't deserve critique, what about that don't you understand? it's the prove a negative argument. his research has been shut down empirically for lack of evidence. that in no way constitutes his work as fact.

>>7952652
....because he is advocating for anyone that doesn't transition past a certain age to be "cleansed?"

>>7951874
cara when are you going to break and transition, this is getting ridiculous, even for your standards...

>>7952680
It isn't Cara that wants cleansing, and AGP theory explains why we need cleansing

>>7952680
Cara is obviously talking about a progressive cleaning, not down right impure trannies. Why are you being so obtuse?

>>7951874
>Seeing as Blanchardian HSTS theory has been basically accepted as fact

Why are you trying this hard? dont have stalking to do?

>>7952687
no one needs to be cleansed.

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>>7952687
No it doesn't you idiot, and how does a supposed sexual orientation thats highly stigmatized prove why we need cleansing? This board is literally turning into the definition of insanity.

>>7952562
You really don't understand science at all, don't you?

Any kind of whacko scientist can write the dumbest papers ever, it isn't the job of anyone in this world to analyze or disprove it. Research papers only have some kind of value when they are peer-reviewed by relevant scientific bodies.

In this case, Blanchard's theories have been not only clearly REJECTED by the WPATH, which his pretty much the only relevant scientific community regarding transgenderism, but hasn't been accepted by any other kind of existing and relevant scientific community.

In the end we don't have to do any critique of his work. It's not like some autists on 4chan would do any kind of original research here.

>>7952652
Stop playing with on words, he is saying that he doesn't want anyone else than what he defines as "legitimate transgender" to be able to transition. Which is insane by itself. Seriously does anyone else can't understand that nobody else here, including me, can't have any kind of power in that regards?

>>7952680
This. Also you can notice how he is slowly building an theory in which specifically people like himself wouldn't be able to transition. And when it would be accepted, he would have a "legitimate excuse" not to transition. And he doesn't realize that anything discussed here won't have an effect in real life (except when he does rape fantasy posts, as he learned in the past months). He is clearly not right in his mind.

>>7952701
>>7952702
Impure trannies just drag the movement down.

>>7952707
yeah, you're not the judge and jury.

>>7952702
The research proved they're monsters and it also proved they look like monsters or are twisted in some way. They don't even suffer. I will welcome the new laws with open arms, those idiots will start to vanish then.

>>7952706
Why shouldn't there be a set of guidelines that define who is legitimately trans and who isn't? Give me some good reasons.

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>>7952707
>>7952717
>>7952719

What "movement?" I hope you reread this a couple days from now and realize how fucking insane you sound right now, jesus christ.

>>7952712
No, the public is and they will be ready to arrest or hound any noticeably trans individual out of this earth soon

>>7952729
How about you answer my question?

>>7952729
Those bathroom and id change ban laws will soon be a fact in dozens of states and then we can lobby to help their spread. We have a working plan to punish the AGP hons and it will work

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>>7952736
... You never asked me a question, and even if you did, do you really truly believe it deserves any kind legitimate reply?

>>7952750
>>7952719

>>7952729
hi newfriend! this anon, who you will start recognizing when you spend some more time on /tttt/, is known as 'rv-chan' (rv being short for rape victim as opposed to referring to the style of car). she is a young transsexed woman of hsts etiology who identifies as a femboy because her trutrans complex is so severe she can't even count herself as trans without being mired in self-doubt. she has attached herself to the typology for reasons similar to the ones terfs do -- she has had extreme negative experience with late-transitioning women in the past (see her name) and has unfortunately struggled to recover and move past these incidents, so takes her pain out on the people who share demographic traits with the perpetrators. we here at /tttt/ all just want the best for rv-chan and wish her a full recovery. thank you for your interest in /tttt/ board culture!

>>7952754
...Because there already is?
>>7952758
I assumed this was that person but they are acting especially crazy tonight, also can you not refer to them as "rvchan?" that seems kinda mean.

>>7952778
If there already is, why was a person like Blaire allowed to transition?

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>>7952778
we're on 4chan. there's no incentive for me to make an anon's nickname nice or pc if it sacrifices giving people an accurate understanding of her motivations. i already compromised by way of not actively calling her rapevictim-chan as i started off with.

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>>7952798
Friendly reminder

>>7952821
Fuck off, Blaire

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>>7952820
Fair enough it just makes me feel bad when I want to reference her okay? Back to Dumblr I go then.

>>7952830
I'm not blaire you idiot, I'm>>7952837

>>7952841
Stop being a Blaire apologist, then

>>7952855
I literally do not give a fuck about Blaire, I'm just pointing out your own hypocrisy you dummy.

>>7952859
How am I a hypocrite? That comment in the capture is not mine. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>7952872
Whatever as long as rvchan reads that idgaf, and how am I supposed to know when some other anon butts into my conversation with rvchan without making it clear that they aren't the person I was originally talking to??

>>7952890
If you had any sense of continuity you would've noticed I'm not r*chan. Get a fucking grip.

>>7951874
yes yes yes!

this retarded ass anime avatarfagging fills me with impotent rage.

>>7953459
shut up faggot newshit

>>7953498
I've been here since last summer newcrapper

>Not sageing a cara thread
It's like you guys want him to shitpost or something

>>7952700
what....?

>>7953744
SHH

>>7952719
>Why shouldn't there be a set of guidelines that define who is legitimately trans and who isn't? Give me some good reasons.
Because the hon lobby would kick up a stink for being excluded.

>>7951874
>Seeing as Blanchardian HSTS theory has been basically accepted as fact
No.

>>7952758
First of all, you said the exact same I did in >>7947760 >>7947860 Only you said the same to /pol/, so you've got nothing to complain of.

Second of all, I don't think I'm legitimate. I hope I'm not AGP and even if I'm not its almost certain I'm actually gnc or nonbinary or something that isn't actually legit like actual mtfs are.

>>7959176
>I don't think I'm legitimate.
Why not?

>I hope I'm not AGP
Why?

>>7959189
I don't even want to be a girl so much as it is that I want the old status quo when I was younger where I could wear anything, even stuff only boys would prob wear and everyone would think I was a girl. Short hair, no curves, none of those were problems.

I just want to look like a girl BC that's the way my body should be.

And like that other Blanchard anon told pol, AGP are men through and through, violent, preverted and monstrous. They don't deserve to live and I hope the current backlash against trans seriously prunes their numbers.

I fucking hate you for brainwashing the whole board into believing Blanchard's theories. You can't have a trans thread without someone bringing up AGP or HSTS at some point.

>>7951928
Actually, one of Blanchard's main arguments is that HSTS are just homosexual men who transition because they wanna date straight dudes. It's central to his thesis. "HSTS" is not better than "AGP", it's just fetishizing being a woman vs fetishizing straight dudes. That was his point. Then "HSTS" started getting elitist and using his studies to prove they were better and "real", when Blanchard himself actually didn't think either of them were real.

I sat one of his lectures.

>>7959236
caraposter doesnt even properly understand blanchard's bunk theories.

we're like on two or more layers of bullshit here.

>>7959244
The studies priced they're very masculine men and are men neurologically.

They even have neurological abnormalities that confirm they're sex crazed and prone to sexually abusing others. At least all the old AGP men in the study did.

AGP aren't just less real, they're the neurological and safety equivalent to sex offenders and should be preemptively removed.

>>7959217
You sound like a femboy honestly.

>men through and through, violent, preverted and monstrous.
Femboys normally like men though.

>>7959244
>when Blanchard himself actually didn't think either of them were real.
Actually he's said AGP are real.

>>7959269
Actually, studies show the neurological masculinity/femininity is mostly down to sexual orientation and doesn't have much to do with gender identity. As of right now we can't really see any evidence of gender identity in the brain, take from that what you may.

There are holes a million miles wide in a lot of Blanchard's experiments, but I have seen a gap in behavior between gay and straight transwomen.

What I DON'T understand about his theories is how and why he makes the jump from correlation to causation. There's evidence that there's a gap, absolutely, but there's no evidence at all that the gap is pathophysiological for the gender dysphoria. There's nothing proving that the "HSTS"/"AGP" tendences are what CAUSE the transgenderism, only that they co-exist with transgenderism.

It's just as likely, or perhaps even more likely, that the differences in behavior come from how we learn to sexualize women and other people in general. Straight men, or people society thinks are straight men, are receptive to the socialization that teaches them to objectify women. If they later identify as women, of course they'd become a target of their own objectification. That's what they were taught!

Perhaps being AGP isn't the cause of the transgenderism in that group. Maybe these people are just taught to objectify women as all "straight men" are and when they become women they just continue to do what they've been taught, except now it's them.

>>7959236
>mfw I literally cannot think of trannies outside of the agp/trurans binary thanks to Cara

TruTrans ftw, though.

Cara post voice.

That way we can tell if you're really an early transitioner HSTS. If your voice is deep, you can't be.

>>7959320
Yeah. If there's really no proof of innate gender identity, I also agree that all trannies should be rounded up and shot, including myself. Their very existence is misogynistic.

>>7959331
Gender identity != sex dysphoria though.

Your brain can be mapped wrong and it can have nothing to do with your social tendencies or behavior or whatever. I think these things need to be separated.

>>7959294
neurological masculinity/femininity is mostly down to sexual orientation and doesn't have much to do with gender identity.
Somebody needs to give FRC and the fundies this info
which proves trans don't even deserve to exist. Which means we should pray for and promote and write for laws meant to hasten out destruction. I'm glad it's finally in sight.

And this also means orientation would justify being rounded out and destroyed.

I truly hope these laws will make the trans population a shadow of what it was.

>>7959294
>There's nothing proving that the "HSTS"/"AGP" tendences are what CAUSE the transgenderism, only that they co-exist with transgenderism.
Then why can AGP exist without transgenderism? Why doesn't transgenderism exist without either or with both of the tendencies?

>Straight men, or people society thinks are straight men, are receptive to the socialization that teaches them to objectify women.
Then why do lesbians objectify women and gay men not?

>If they later identify as women, of course they'd become a target of their own objectification. That's what they were taught!
It's not mere objectification but a full orientation that is directed towards themselves, and their orientation is targeted towards themselves before they become women.

>>7959338
But apparently they're not even mapped wrong? They're just normal dude brains, even fags have more feminine brains than us.

>>7959338
That is disgusting.

I welcome the new laws banning ID change and I welcome the vigelante justice that will follow. We will not legitimize perverted feelings.

>>7959347
Body shape mapping, by nature of how (we believe) it's done, is invisible in the brain's structure. There's nothing to look for. You could have the body map of a fish and have a normal brain.

>>7959338
>social tendencies or behavior or whatever
Caricaturish behavior and perversion which people deserve abuse for

>>7959356
Then how can you measure. We need to give the religious nuts this information so they can begin tranny population controll programs.

>>7959356
But if there's no proof of it, how can you argue it exists? Why can't we just accept that TERFs were right and we deserve to die?

>>7959348

Sex dysphoria is, despite the name, not inherently sexual. A better word is genital dysphoria. It's where your body feels wrong, independent of social behavior, sexual orientation, fetishes, etc

>>7959365
Because there's no proof it doesn't either. There is absolutely no evidence backing up either pro-trans OR anti-trans narratives. The medical community by and large does not care about trans people. There are no reliable studies done, nor likely will any ever be done. Both because of technical limitations and social/financial limitations.

The fact of the matter is that the TERF vs trans war is, by and large, a religious war. It's a war of faith.

>>7959368
We already proved they're Disgusting men who deserve no sympathy. You gave all reason to wish for the annihilation of trans and reasons to keep buddying up with the right to make the vice tighter than ever. Make it so that everyone is left with no option but to take the noble way out.

>>7959385
What about ftms?

>>7959294
>There are holes a million miles wide in a lot of Blanchard's experiments,
Namely?

Objectification AGP theory sounds like a way of pathologizing trans women's sexualities through female victimhood.

Sounds feminist.

>>7959380
One which as you pointed out, the evidence proves that it must end with the extermination of trans

>>7959390
For convenience they can die with all of us. The reason for trans has been repudiated.

>>7959390
Women. Still liars, but they don't deserve to die, because their existence doesn't hurt women.

>>7959406
Intersex people?

>>7959406
Do you want to join up on the exterminate trans bandwagon, was talking to interesting people earlier.

>>7959413
Not the same as trans which we have proven are manly men With a mockery of women "social tendencies or behavior or whatever" and therefore deserving of death.

>>7959306
I think you should really take a break from this board. That kind of thinking is detrimental to you mental health, and it will alienate you from people who haven't even heard of Blancard.

>>7959392
>There are holes a million miles wide in a lot of Blanchard's experiments,

Mistakes in statistics interpretation, experiment design flaws, lack of proper controls. I'll review his studies and give some examples.

Off the top of my head, his phallometry studies are somewhat suspect. I remember one of the studies had a voice reading a somewhat sensualized account of crossdressing to a group of trans people and the AGP people got aroused. This is fundamentally flawed experiment design with literally dozens of places for result corruption to happen. For example, what was the sex of the voice reading out the story? That details is undisclosed, and that's problematic for interpretation of the statistics and figuring the reliabiltiy of the results. If it was female, the study is immediately junk because the majority of people attracted to women would pop a boner from a female voice saying sensual things, and the AGPs just got turned on because they're attracted to women, which is not exactly revolutionary.

And that's not even getting into the problems with phallometry and correlation to mental arousal.

>>7959406
>because their existence doesn't hurt women.
Reality doesn't operate on what's convenient for women.

>>7959439
It's possible to be trans without adopting stereotypical female mannerisms by simply having the physical dysphoria.

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>>7959420
Yeah. But honestly I'm not interested in killing anyone or actively advocating for their deaths in any kind of public or official capacity, I just believe that proof of womanhood is necessary in order for us to take transgender claims of womanhood seriously, and if that proof doesn't exist, then they should not be considered women. Their existences should be considered an appropriation and objectification of women's bodies, highly misogynistic.

>>7959448
It doesn't matter, we'll write to state lawmakers and ensure that trans are legislated out of existence fir their disgusting nature

>>7959457
It doesn't matter, we showed they're creepy men. Ergo the only proper treatment for that is self termination.

>>7959459
Good laws will ensure they stop existing and that it isn't tolerated

>>7959406
There is moderate evidence showing that ftms adopt male crime patterns after transition.

>>7959446
>If it was female, the study is immediately junk because the majority of people attracted to women would pop a boner from a female voice saying sensual things, and the AGPs just got turned on because they're attracted to women, which is not exactly revolutionary.
There are so many ways to control for this. Have a control group hear it from a voice of the other sex, have a straight cis male control group listen to the female voice, etc.

>>7959473
Being trans has nothing to do with sexual fetishes or social behavior or anything. It just has to do with body mapping. Trans people generally have phantom limb-esque sensations where they feel like they are in the opposite sex's body. To alleviate this problem, many transition and some MtF sufferers appropriate stereotypical female behavior. The appropriation of behavior is not inherent to transgenderism, it's just how many choose to cope with their problem.

>>7959462
>>7959473
>>7959475
You have no case for your views besides transphobia.

>>7959478
Possibly, arguably. None of which he did, though.

>>7959484
It doesn't matter when they're pervertred men right down to neurology. Ergo we need laws banning ID change and throwing them in men jail for bathrooms and social transition.

>>7959493
Where are your sources?

>>7959485
They are men even neurologically they are perverted monster men. They must stop existing therefore.

>>7959485
Not them, but it's apparently been proven by science that trans women have no claim to womanhood, so they should not be allowed to appropriate it. Maybe it's too fascist and Nazi-like to actually exterminate them, but they should be denied hormone therapy and surgeries, and their mental illness should be treated by different methods.

>>7959496
The other parties are even admitting it as a fact here.

>>7959484
>Being trans has nothing to do with sexual fetishes or social behavior or anything.
Then why do sexual fetishes correlate with being a transbian?

>>7959498
It would be kinder to exterminate desu. And the ones who aren't monsters would probably have the ethics to self terminate rather than live.

>>7959501
There are lots of theories on that. There's no surefire evidence that the fetishes are the cause. They could be a result. The transgenderism could be causing the fetishes instead.

>>7959498
>proven by science that trans women have no claim to womanhood, so they should not be allowed to appropriate it.
Womanhood doesn't belong to cis women.

>>7959500
Yes, but that doesn't mean they're right either.

>>7959511
Womanhood is something that is inherent ONLY to cis women, it is literally defined by their experiences and behaviors.

>>7959511
Men doing pervertred stuff must be cleansed

>>7959509
>The transgenderism could be causing the fetishes instead.
No it couldn't because homosexual transsexuals don't get the fetishes too.

>>7959520
Why have this pointless argument? Both of you. Regardless of whether or not you think mtfs are a problem, can't you both agree that cis men are a problem? haven't you both been treated like garbage by cis men all your life? Can't you solve that problem first and THEN tackle this one?

>>7959523
Right, because they're not attracted to women. Of course people who aren't attracted to women don't get fetishes centered around attraction to women. They're not attracted to women!

I didn't mean alone. I mean the fetishes form in interaction with their sexuality.

>>7959526
No, we have to help fundamentalists push laws like the bathroom and birth certificate change ban laws that will Sjw trans stop existing. These men can not be allowed to continue.

>>7959531
Now I know you're trolling.

>>7959528
No, transbians are more likely to have fetishes than homosexual transsexuals. Fetishes, not fetishes centered around attraction to women.

>>7959526
I'm MtF. So yes, cis men have been shit to me. But because I have that in common with cis women, I have great respect for the cis women in my life and their struggles. If it turns out that trans women are simply cis male fetishists, then I must stand up for real women and lay down my own life.

>>7959531
>Sjw
my phone autocorrected I meant Make trans stop existing
Sjw is fine so long as they don't protect trans.
>>7959535
No, it's been made more and more clear that trans are men and worse yet pervertred manly monstrous inhuman men.

They don't deserve to live. We all should die and don't worry, I'll use my implement once I think I've met my criteria.

>>7959539
Source? In what population? In what year?

>>7959520
>>7959522
You are both wrong.

>>7959544
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/were-freakin-at-the-freakers-ball/
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/dangerous-thoughts/

>>7959552
Whatever, I don't want to exist

>>7959561
Let me read through the posts again. I read through most of her blog back when I knew her.

Nice girl, no problem with her on a personal level. It's a bit funny to watch her try to square her "Stereotypical HSTSness" with the fact that she's a hardcore scientist and invented pentile screens--something Blanchard said was an almost failsafe AGP trait.

>>7959566
There are some cis girls in STEM...

>no problem with her on a personal level.
She's been criticized on /lgbt/ for her attitude to AGPs.

>>7959566
Problem #1 with link #1:
Docter (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9415796 ) and Prince's ads for their studies look for crossdressers and transvestites. A few of those crossdressers also have cross-gender feelings, but they responded because they are transvestites. The studies were done on a population of crossdressers, not people with transgender inclinations in general. This is a selection bias and a pretty glaring one. If you ask for transvestites, you're going to get transvestites. These sorts of selection errors continue into the discussion in link #2.

>>7959583
>She's been criticized on /lgbt/ for her attitude to AGPs.

Yes, I know what they're talking about. I don't think it's a reflection on her as a person. Acting this way is how she copes with her condition. We all cope differently.

>>7959591
The other cited studies either do the same thing or at best group both transvestite responders and transgender responders into one group, invalidating the test results.

There was no control for this because back then nobody thought there was a difference.

>>7959592
Can you expand on how she acts and how it helps her cope?

>>7959631
I don't think that's appropriate. Apologies.

>>7959641
kay brown made a post on sillyolme back in january about how she'd been sexually abused by agps when she was younger, if that's what you're talking about

>>7959645
Did she really?

>>7959649
I'm glad she's talking about it.

>>7959645
I have to go. I appreciated this conversation, though.

>>7959445
But what other way of looking at the world exists?

>>7959649
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2017/01/01/when-in-the-course-of-human-events/
it's something i relate to in that i've faced a similar issue from the opposite end (hsts male, have had some pretty screwed up experiences with older aaps)

>>7959691
I can imagine. I knew a deviantart yaoi maniac that ended up transitioning. That the sort of people you're talking about?

>>7959691
>>7959707
In my experience there are 3 ftm groups, unlike the 2 for men. straight, gay, and hate their body because of sexual assault and redirecting it into something else.

>>7959707
that's the most florid presentation, yeah
the person in question was someone ten years older than me (i was 14-15 at the time) who identified as ftm but never physically or socially transitioned and was strongly ephebophilic (and autoephebophilic)
they dated another young aap too who now (at age 21) is pretty much exactly like them, maybe worse

>>7959725
Downright predatory. You doing OK?

>>7959772
yeah, i'm good
i don't generally have strong emotional reactions to any situation, this was a few years ago, etc
but it does make me wish i had known beforehand about the typology -- a lot of the especially fucked up by the-standards-of-people-with-emotions aspects, such as being expected to share nudes or be sexually penetrated, were especially confusing to me because i was working under the assumption a trans man would categorically be opposed to doing either of those things

>>7959725
And now you're helping another predator get away with it.

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>>7959691
>>7959561
>>7959566
Brown is an AGP hon though. And his floating around kids is creepy.
Being an open hon and not worrying about anxiety it causes others is AGP too.

>>7959294
> but I have seen a gap in behavior between gay and straight transwomen.

To be fair, is there not also a gap in behaviour between gay and straight cis people of both genders? Or between gay and straight transmen? I really don't see what makes trans people so special in this regard.

>>7960631
>>7960858
>rv-chan starting to intermittently use 'they' for brown where she once exclusively used 'he'
hm
probably reading too into it tho
anyway, what did you mean by >>7959827?
and why is it that you don't think you're 'trutrans' either?

>>7960909
I should stop I'm not legit I already explained it to you before and on >>7959217

>>7960932
you're pretty clearly trans, rv-chan
your severe dysphoria and desire to look like a girl are, in fact, what being trans is
your lack of a strong internal gender identity is insiginificant, and if you had looked into the typology much past what you can use against yourself and others you would know this -- gender identity as a concept is much more relevant to a*p transsexualism than hsts

>>7952390
Heliocentrism came to be accepted as fact because of the mountains of evidence that scientists found to support it.

The Blanchard AGP/HSTS typology does not have mountains of evidence, the methodology of his experiments are heavily questioned as are the conclusions he drew from it. It has been demoted as pseudoscience as a result of that and the lack of peer review.

Now, if you truly believe Blanchard's theory might be correct, nothing is stopping you from supporting more research into that idea. But going around parading it as proven fact is just wrong. Saying Blanchard must be right because people can be wrong sometimes is ridiculous.

Is the theory of evolution or germ theory wrong because scientists were once wrong about geocentrism? Are feng shui and ghosts real because scientists were once wrong about the origin of the universe?

>>7960955
>lack of a strong internal gender identity is insiginificant
>if you had looked into the typology much past what you can use
Does internal have something to do with the typology ?

>>7960991
generally a*p people will have a much stronger sense of themselves as a member of the opposite pre-transition gender than hsts people will
while it's reasonably common for hsts people to eventually develop strong cross-sex internal gender identities it's not as significant to their day-to-day lives and is not the overwhelming factor behind everything like for a*p people

>>7960955
>gender identity as a concept is much more relevant to a*p transsexualism
And doesn't this mean the right is right to throw up a huge red flag when they talk about someone "feeling like a woman" being harmfull and possibly dangerous for others

>>7960955
And now that I think about it, how do we even know it's actually Dysphoria not just some sort of Peter Pan syndrome or other derangement

>>7961036
>how do we even know it's actually Dysphoria not just some sort of Peter Pan syndrome or other derangement

How do we really know dysphoria is different than any of these other things? It could be just like eating disorders. It's got all the same symptoms.

>>7951928
please use != and not =! thank you.

>>7961008
no, because a*p is not the perfect proxy for 'bad person' that you have admittedly understandable reasons for thinking it is
do you have any kind of support system outside 4chan? it seems imperative you have one
>>7961036
rv-chan, you almost died of anorexia because you were so extremely crippled psychologically by the development of male sex characteristics. that's dysphoria.

>>7951874
It should center around finding caraposter and drowning her in a bucket.

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>>7959217
unfortunately this is generally tru, and it's interesting to see it in other people, too.
you can be GNC as a child to the point of presenting totally "female", experience GID, dysphoria, BDD etc. and still not be worthy of transition. there are still a number of other criteria they you have to fit and unfortunately that's limited to a very specific class of people.

>>7961067
underrated post

>>7951874
>Blanchardian HSTS theory has been basically accepted as fact
No... it really hasn't, and that's because Blanchardianism is typical psychologists' pseudoscientic drivel.

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>>7961265
>worthy of transition
you're the most spooked motherfucker alive in the universe

>>7961265
When did you start your transition?

I don't speak Cara.

What the hell is blanchardian HSTS

>>7961585
Homosexual Transexual
TERF shit that Cara somehow decided she liked

>>7961580
12

>>7961884
Just about to turn 16 by my face is pretty feminine and hasn't fully developed yet. Also my frame is petite and I have a good hip to shoulder ratio.

Do you think I should do it or not? I really hate myself for not starting at 12 but I don't think I've changed much at least.

>>7962346
transition you goddamn newfag
cara did not transition at 12 btw
>>7961609
the only interest terfs have in the typology is their own butchered interpretation of agp, they ignore everything else
if you put cara and a terf in a room together they'd both die

>>7962346
You should assume this is your last chance. Buy Blackmarket Meds and avoid therapists who deliberately would not have you start any blockers till youreva virile fully grown man

>>7964313
why are therapists so evil?

>>7964348
I'm sure not all are. But in general for young patients they favor multiyear waits, supposedly for safety, but that also usually ensures their patients are fully grown and masculine by the time they start, that way there's no liability or "harm", also that gets them extra money. Asides from getting letters from them, they're probably not worth the money and I'd avoid them until I want to use them.
Only you know what you really want, so trust yourself and take what you need.

>>7964388
Or at least all the anecdotes confirm the old school standard of care therapists, especially in Europe are like that. It sounds like a racket desu.

Better to get medicine in hand right away. Informed consent is best but if you're in a hurry just get blackmarket and get them later.

>accepted as fact
Look at this silly cunt.

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>>7964528
Only right answer here

>>7964165
How do you know?
>>7964313
Is QHI or Inhouse Pharmacy any good? I'm a UKfag. Also, I'm worried if I should be taking blood tests to know if it is working or not.

>>7965779
because i know cara pretty well, and even people who don't generally know the 'pre-transition 21 year old' bit

>>7965802
Well if it's okay to say then what age is it really then? And could you explain the Cara thing? I'm seeing her name all the time here but don't get it. Not that I mind.

>>7965887
she's 21 and pre-hrt, as i said
she needs to transition and knows it but spends a lot of time trying to convince herself she doesn't (that's what >>7961265 was about in the first place)
she's a controversial figure here due to her obsession with early transitioners and occasional violent behaviour towards them due to a lack of understanding of boundaries

>>7965896
I thought she was an early transistioner because she started a thread about it and everyone said it. She seems cool though. I never got what the whole thing was about.

>>7961071
>support
I'd rather not talk to people about this. If normal people knew, then it would put everything about me in a worse light, and harmless traits like neoteny and androgyny that just seemed natural would instead be chalacked up to cyprotone taking. Would go from being a cute gay boy to a tranny, would change everything for the worse.
And trans support groups aren't something I want to get involved with especially if it's dominated by mtfs and the exaggerated fake version of femenity a lot of the ones in groups have. I don't consider stuff done with long hair or female clothes or makeup real passing. I don't feel like getting involved in that and I don't really think of myself as a girl so I'm sure I'd get them angry.
And therapists aren't worth the money I when I need to save that up and if I told them any of the stuff I say here it would definitely make it harder to get the letters, I'm getting closer to having the money so I do actually need to figure out how you go about getting leters from them.
>dysphoria
It could just as easily be what was described in
http://archive.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/7819785/#7819785
And this is bringing up bad memories. I've had a lung infection all week and haven't been able to take my cypro. I wana get back home and take my cypro.

>>7965941
caraposter is actually an insane chaser and a man who is trying to find vulnerable trans people to prey on by pretending to be a conflicted tranny

hes also a real life stalked with a restraining order against him

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>>7969090
But I thought with the... anime girl pics... that Cara was...

>>7969283
What?

>>7969305
A cute girl.

>>7951874
Look at Iran.