Why do hons get SRS before FFS and VFS or even hair removal? Do they not have any amount of self-awareness? Or do they just not care that people see them as men in dresses?
>>7941325
If hons are really AGP why do they get SRS at all?
>>7941325
I think it has something to do with the fact that certain procedures(like medically prescribed SRS) are covered by insurance, while other(like plastic surgeries) are not. Thus they are able to get SRS earlier than they save enough money for FFS.
Complete removal of facial hair takes many months, so it's a very long process. And many MtFs don't even get VFS, relying just on voice training.
>>7941383
Even if you accept Blanchard's AGP/HSTS classification(which is highly debatable), AGPs would be the ones wanting SRS, since they have the strongest body dysphoria.
>>7941383
>AGPs don't get SRS
you are fooled
guess who gets off the most by having a "vagina"
>>7941392
This. For some trannies it's a finacial/insurance thing.
Personally I wouldn't do SRS before getting my facial hair removed. Also I would never do it before transitioning socially. SRS should be the last thing on the list imho.
There are some transitioners though, who do not really transition socially and experience some kind of bliss from getting SRS.
I want to do a SRS, too, but I'm kinda freaked out by the thought of the procedure and what might go wrong. I don't think of it as a pleasant experience, but rather something you have to power through and hope for the best.
You know what's really strange? All these SRS selfies and videos hons make. They upload this kind of stuff and share it with the whole world to see.
Weird thing, really.
>>7941325
for some people srs is more affordable than ffs (vfs is a semi-meme), such as if the former is covered by insurance and the latter is not
for other people, their genital dysphoria is much worse than their facial dysphoria -- this can be 'i don't really care about passing', but it can also be 'my dysphoria in both aspects is extreme but genital is just that bit worse'
>>7941383
anatomic agp can and often does present as an extreme desire for female genitalia
also, agps tend to be more financially secure than hstses when they transition so it is easier for them to access srs which is why they get it earlier (and thus appear to be the majority of those who get it, putting aside that they're the majority of trans women in general -- even the relatively large number of non-op agp women doesn't stop them being the majority of westerners seeking srs)
>>7941698
>For some trannies it's a finacial/insurance thing.
That's dangerous. They don't get a proper chance to decide if it's right for them or if the rest of transition is enough.
>>7941728
They need to get SRS before their work fires them for being fetishist psychos tho. Time is of the essence.
>>7941731
> They need to get SRS before their work fires them for being fetishist psychos tho.
How would their employer know what's in their pants? Or is SRS required to change the gender marker in the US?
In my country an official diagnosis + HRT + "surgical sex correction" are needed to legally justify changing the gender marker. Most just get orchi because it's much cheaper and less risky and either keep the penis or get SRS later when they have enough money, but since the top surgeons who do the non-penile vaginoplasty(like Suporn) usually don't accept patients who previously had orchi, some prefer not to get orchi which usually means living with male ID until they get SRS.
>>7942553
>"surgical sex correction" are needed to legally justify changing the gender marker. Most just get orchi because it's much cheaper and less risky
So they literally get forced into surgery under threat of having to have ID that doesn't match them.
>>7942609
Basically, yes. It's kinda a mess here since nobody in the government gives a fuck about our problems, but at least changing the gender marker is possible at all.
Hypothetically it is possible to change your legal name/gender to a female one with just a diagnosis and HRT, but it requires going to court over it. And while I've heard of several successful cases, the success is not guaranteed for MtF(it largely depends on the judge and the lawyer). One of my friends currently has such plans since she wants to get SRS in the future but doesn't want to live with a male ID.
It's even more complicated with trans guys since there are many different surgeries that legally count as "sex correction", but from what I understand, top surgery is usually enough. Though I occasionally hear about trans guys going to court(usually successfully) because the officials refused to change their gender marker without a bottom surgery.
>>7941715
What are the regret rates for both?
probably because they actually have dysphoria and aren't just gay men who fetishize women and heterosexuality.
>>7943417
top käk
>>7942815
>the success is not guaranteed for MtF(it largely depends on the judge and the lawyer).
What do you have to legally prove in court to get the change? What about for FtM with just a diagnosis and HRT?
>It's even more complicated with trans guys since there are many different surgeries that legally count as "sex correction", but from what I understand, top surgery is usually enough.
That's a far, far more minor surgery, one even cis women could get. That's far from equal treatment.
>>7943417
>getting SRS with a beard
>"trutrans dyphoria"
>>7943352
you mean for each type of transsexualism or for srs vs ffs?
>>7945360
SRS for each type.
>>7945369
research on this is mildly contradictory, agp women have the highest detransition rates of any subsection of the trans population but also routinely detransition for reasons other than regret (e.g. discrimination)
the best by far study we have on this topic in terms of quality is Lawrence, A.A., Factors Associated with Satisfaction or Regret Following Male-to-Female Sex Reassignment Surgery, Arch Sex Behav (2003)
you can read it for yourself here:
http://booksc.org/book/11101882
the findings of that study were that regret does not correlate with type, i.e. agp women are no more likely to regret srs than hsts or vice versa
>>7943417
>gay men who fetishize women and heterosexuality
Are you talking about HSTS or AGP???
>>7941325
Biologically speaking, we're all men in dresses (ftm's just to qualify). So really the only question you should be asking is, how can I help?
They need your support, not your supercilious derision.
>>7949508
AGP. so called "homosexual transsexuals" are the real fetishists.
obsessed with makeup and girly things, they live their entire lives based on appearance. one time a very feminine gay guy (who later turned out to be trans woman) shared with me a really weird fantasy about being a girl in a bar in a fancy dress and being gangraped by dudes
i actually respect the woman in OP for embracing what is basically testosterone-induced hirsutism.
of anything the gay men who become "straight trans women" seem to be the ones who treat being a woman like a performance, obsessing over their appearance and makeup and clothes, whereas lesbian trans women accept their body the way it is and get hormones and surgery simply to treat their body and genital dysphoria.
>>7941325
Because it's the only thing covered by insurance.
>>7950827
>a really weird fantasy about being a girl in a bar in a fancy dress and being gangraped by dudes
That's textbook AGP though...
>>7951019
ur 2 retarded 2 take srsly
>>7950998
Then explain why gay men love orgies so much?
>>7950998
exactly my point. i've honestly never heard this shit from lesbian trans women. most lesbian trans women i know are into all sorts of things, video games, music, art, history, you name it.
it's the straight trans women who usually prattle on for hours about makeup and dresses and anime girls and looking pretty.
>>7951082
AGP are lesbian and bi trans women. HSTS are straight trans women.
>>7951122
blah blah blah blah pseudo science are blah blah blah blah pseudo science
>>7951122
lol, you're repeating that like it's a mantra or something.
listen, i'm just going by experience. lesbian trans women come in all shapes and sizes and with a variety of interests whereas straight trans women seem to just be cookie-cutter bimbos.
>>7951150
>all shapes and sizes and with a variety of interests
Just like men!
>cookie-cutter bimbos
Just like women!
>>7941325
Because thats the only thing insurance covers.
Realistically insurance should cover all of the above and leave you to pay for SRS yourself, since it's the least important to functioning as a normal person in daily life.
>>7951385
Insurance should cover no elective surgery. Prove me wrong.
>>7941392
>Blanchard's AGP/HSTS classification(which is highly debatable)
It's obviously true.