What is the LGBT communities thoughts on abortion?

>>7937663
>Cucktians staunchly pro-life
>Cucktians also staunchly against LGBT, who will likely never have abortions
>Cucktians also staunchly against birth control, sex education, family planning resources, etc.

>>7937663
Who the FUCK is anti-abortion these days apart neo-nazis and religious nuts?

>>7937675
People who don't like children being slaughtered.

I WOULD be pro-life if it wasn't a less gross term for pro-birth. Being pro-life would mean also being for the infrastructure that would make those lives with living, like government assistance, schools, and if need be loving adoption or foster systems which aren't typically aligned with the traditional values of the right that seems to be gay for babies.

>>7937675
People who weren't aborted

>>7937675
People who are scientifically illiterate.

>>7937692
>government assistance
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Next you'll be telling me you think ROADS are a good idea!

>>7937663
I'm pro-choice, I see it as a necessary evil, but it bothers me when people pretend that the human zygote/embryo/fetus is somehow not actually human yet. It's a comforting lie. Of course it is human. Abortion still has to be done sometimes but let's do it with eyes wide open.

>>7937710
No one is saying it's not human, just that it's not a person and shouldn't be treated like a legal person that is a separate entity from the mother untl it's born. The vast majority of aborted fetuses/zygotes cannot feel pain or think, and we cruelly slaughter billions of animals (pigs,etc) that are more intelligent/aware/feel pain/even sentient to some capacity for food when we could use plant sources instead. Morally it's not very troubling for me.

>>7937688
>a small clump of cells is equivalent to a human
>actually being this stupid
anti-choice is the ultimate example of feels over reals

>>7937739
>a large clump of cells is equivalent to a human
>actually being this stupid
anti-murder is the ultimate example of feels over reals

I think, regardless of whether you consider the fetus a person or not. It's more a question of bodily autonomy.

We can't force someone to give blood, we can't even take a corpses organs without thier permission, so why can we force a woman to share thier body with another person.

You might say that the woman consented to sharing thier body so the abortion shouldn't be allowed but Consent to give an organ or blood can be revoked at any time, there's no forcing you to donate an organ because you've signed a paper

>>7937663

Late term abortion is wrong, its not hard to find out you are pregnant while you are still able to have a medical rather than surgical abortion.

>>7937751
The problem comes from the fact that the fetus has its own body. Yes, it's dependent on the woman, but it's definitely a lot different than an organ or blood.

Let people abort their children, the last thing we need is MORE idiots reproducing.

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Pro-choice, of course.

I think I'm pretty middle of the road when it comes down to it.

The idea of abortion doesn't really sit well with me, but at the same time I recognize it's going to happen whether or not it's legal. And when it comes down to it I'd rather that women aren't forced to deal with sketchy back alley abortion clinics.

I'd rather the process be safe, legal and regulated so women aren't being killed/maimed in botched abortion procedures and/or being carted off to prison for trying to exercise bodily autonomy.

I think that it's obviously murder. However, since we have death penalty for undesirables, therefore the state is allowed to murder people. This obviously can be extended to killing undesirable fetuses.

tl;dr As long death penalty exists, I'm fine with abortion.

>>7937710
Most of the time they say "so guys fapping is killing babies"? no because if a guy comes on the floor there isn't a baby coming out of the floor,if a guy comes in a vagina there is.

I'm pro life. No h8 please.
I'm a lesbian and a Christian. I don't believe that killing a person, in whatever stage of development is ok.

>>7937663
t b q h if you want to get an abortion you should have had been on birth control/used condoms in the first place

>>7939081
>they say "so guys fapping is killing babies"
Only if they know literally nothing about reproduction, DNA, blah blah

Or if they just do not care how stupid the comparison is and only want to bother you.

>>7937730
I lost brain cells reading this

>>7937688
>removing a clump of cells from a woman's uterus is worse than letting an unwanted baby be born and live a terrible life due to unplanned pregnancy and the immaturity and lack of income of the parents

You're not pro-life, you're pro-fetus. As soon as the baby is born and out of the mother's womb, you don't give a shit about its life. Which is perfect for Republican leaders who want to keep the cycle of poverty alive so that their voter population of uneducated proles grows.

>>7939105
>red states teach abstinence only sex to dumb horny teenagers
>churches say birth control and masturbation is a sin
>red states have significantly higher rate of teenage pregnancy than blue states

>>7940476
Underrated comment

>>7940476

Look at how many non-Whites are killed by Abortion. More Black pregnancies end prematurely than are carried to term.

To suggest that outlawing Abortion is helpful for Republicans is complete idiocy.

>>7938087

Why? We need more bodies to maintain the welfare state and economic growth. The welfare system, as set up, is a Ponzi scheme. We need as many people to have children as possible, unless you'd rather continuously import people from the third world to stave off collapse longer rather than address the problem.

>>7937663
It's unfortunate but necessary. Look not further than Romania when they banned abortion. It was catastrophic for them.

>>7940632
It's not about the votes. It's about creating a labor surplus and driving down wages while keeping them uneducated so they don't understand they're being swindled by the wealthy elite to make riches for them instead of themselves.

Besides, the Republicans have implemented restrictive voting standards and gerrymandered districts to significantly reduce black voters. They don't give a shit about our welfare.

>welfare state
Yeah you're a fucking idiot.

>>7937663
I genuinely don't see why to think of it
Freezer burns hurt more when you think about them

>>7941055

Do you have any idea how much of the budget goes towards entitlement spending? Entitlements are welfare programs.

Social Security is welfare. Medicaid is welfare. Medicare is welfare. We have to pay for all of that - but it's structured in a way that requires more young workers than dependents for it to maintain financing. Low birth rates will doom these programs in the long run.

Also, the Democrats are doing a fucking fine job creating a labor surplus and driving down wages by letting millions of illegals come into the country.

I never argued that Republicans give a damn about black voters welfare. Though, you should know that the Voting Rights act requires the creation of majority Black districts in these southern states. Accordingly, when Blacks vote 95% for Democrats, these districts will naturally be more compact and gerrymandered even without GOP intent

>>7937739
life unironically begins at conception, thats a scientific fact.

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>>7937675
>national socialism is bad because of eugenics!
>nazis don't want abortions!

I'm a national socialist, and I support abortion because it has ensured that our country has tens of millions fewer niggers to deal with. Our country needs better eugenic policies in general, encouraging only the best and healthiest to breed more. What we have now, by subsidizing poor people and degenerates who proliferate like rabbits is dysgenics, and look at what is happening. Christian (((conservatism))) is a fucking retarded cancer on this country.

>>7937663
pro choice here

wat up

>>7937748

What's feels about it? It's firmly rooted in the real life consequences of unwanted pregnancies, people aren't pro-choice because they want dem feels of murdering babies, wtf are you talking about?

>>7937760
>the fetus has its own body
Yeah, but it's ability to survive depends on the mother. Just like someone needing an organ transplant/blood transfusion depends on their donor to survive. That doesn't mean anyone's obliged to donate.

>>7941363
>Social Security is welfare. Medicaid is welfare. Medicare is welfare.
End them.

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i support abortion, its the best way to keep blacks from breeding, since you can't actually expect them to take birth control.

It's murder.

However, if the baby was conceived by rape or incest, then I'd allow it. Also in cases of severe deformity or mental illness of the baby. It's just wrong to make someone suffer their entire lives just because of someone else being a pathological altruist.

>>7941446
>However, if the baby was conceived by rape or incest, then I'd allow it.
Why does the misfortune of the mother make it okay to, in your view, murder an innocent baby?

>>7937739
>thinking this is the correct way to think
>being THIS stupid
>clump of cells

We all started as a "clump of cells" mate it's just most of us managed to get passed that phase while you clearly haven't been able to.

>>7941426
>fuck the poors why dont they bootstraps

>>7941604
Because it's putting them out of their misery. I don't like seeing innocent people suffer.

>>7937663
i have a complicated view on abortion because i am disabled which gives me strong incentive to be pro-life (a lot of abortions are 'lol let's kill all the disabled kids') but also ftm which gives me strong incentive to be pro-choice (if somehow i got pregnant, which is highly improbable both logically and biologically, i would not be psychologically capable of carrying a pregnancy)
i generally agree with the view of moderate pro-choice people that abortion should be 'safe, legal, and rare', but we have different definitions of 'rare' -- ideally there should be maybe one abortion a decade
i also unironically support crisis pregnancy centers and think secular versions of them should be mainstream and government funded

>>7941446
>It's murder.
>I'd allow it. Also in cases of severe deformity or mental illness of the baby.
t. Adolf Hitler

>>7941604
In many ways it's merciful on the child. We don't want another baby in this heavily populated world in a food stamp living family doomed to repeat the process.

>we can educate the child to be better than that.
The vast majority of children raised by singles mother's are very mentally wrong

>>7941403
Exactly. Abortion controls the population size of niggers. Most whites will have abortions when they don't want the kid anyways, and they're also more likely to get over hurdles such as going to a different state to have it. If anything, we should promote abortion more, and make it more readily available to blacks and other non-white communities.

>>7941641
Sterilization should be a requirement for long-term welfare, section-8 housing, and refugees.

>>7940632
>>7941403
>>7941434
>>7941641
Do you have anything to back up your claims of blacks having the most abortions or are you just talking out of your ass like always?

>>7941639
>The vast majority of children raised by singles mother's are very mentally wrong
what do you mean? :/

>>7942146
he's right
t. raised by a single mom and have severe depression + bpd

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>>7942114
>trying to prove national socialism wrong

From a right to life cuck site.

https://rtl.org/outreach/

>In the United States, the abortion rate for black women is almost 4 times that of white women. >On average, 900 black babies are aborted every day in the United States. This tragedy continues to impact the population levels of African-Americans in the United States. The abortion racial disparity holds true when the focus is on Michigan statistics as well.

>National Statistics: More than 19 million black babies have been aborted since the 1973 Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision legalized abortion in our country.

>Black women have a significantly higher abortion rate than whites and Hispanics.

>35.6% of all abortions in the U.S. are performed on black women, however, black women make up only about 13% of the female population.

>African Americans are no longer the nation’s largest minority group. Today, Hispanics have outpaced blacks in population growth.

>For every 1,000 live births, non-Hispanic black women had 420 abortions. Non-Hispanic white women had 121 abortions /1,000 live births.

Those aborted negroes would have gone on to have more babies, and then we would be guilted into doing for them what we do with the irresponsible breeders in Africa. Give them more food and medicine, so they can continue to breed beyond their capacity for self-sustainability, like the good cuck Christian, pathologically altruistic whites that we are. It's too bad that the mexicans have inherited the (((roman catholic))) view of fertility.

>>7942114
To be fair, there are plenty of subhuman whites too, who also need to have their numbers reduced.

>>7942169
maybe it isn't connected...

>>7941363
>I never argued that Republicans give a damn about black voters welfare.
I'm just pointing out that Republicans can reduce the impact of black voters via other methods, which your post seems to imply that they don't.

>the Democrats are doing a fucking fine job creating a labor surplus and driving down wages by letting millions of illegals come into the country

Now, this isn't an endorsement of illegal immigration. I think vetting our immigrants and turning away uneducated poor people and deporting people who overstay their visas is very necessary. However, illegals do jobs no one wants to do, don't apply for welfare programs for fear of being caught, and their spending and income taxes generate a huge boost to the economy. They do lower wages for certain manual labors, but their boon to the economy is greater than the negatives.

Also, Obama deported more than 2.5 illegal immigrants in his 8 years, more than any other president. This broad strokes of Democrats as pro-illegal immigration brushes over lot of nuances to this topic.

I'm totally against abortion.

>>7942294
We can grow and pick our own god damn vegetables. Victory gardens produced like half of the produce during WW2. We can also make our own damn clothes. For the health of our Volk, we need to stop the lies. Capitalism and GDP are not our gods and they are not our highest values. Cuck republicans need to learn that. That muh GDP and muh jobs Americans won't do is so ingrained into their heads shows just how much our country has been Judaized mentally and spiritually. Frankly, it is disgusting.

>>7937688
So you'd be willing to provide for a child whose parents can't afford to feed them?

>>7937760
But the issue is that the fetus is using the body of another person, without that person's consent.

>>7939081
A fetus isn't a baby either.

>>7939105
Those things aren't 100% effective. Nothing wrong with using those if you want to avoid reproducing, but even if everyone did use those there would still be a demand for abortion.

>>7940632
>Why? We need more bodies to maintain the welfare state and economic growth. The welfare system, as set up, is a Ponzi scheme. We need as many people to have children as possible, unless you'd rather continuously import people from the third world to stave off collapse longer rather than address the problem.
Except, ``addressing the problem" would mean creating a sustainable economy. Needing continous population growth is a problem, REGARDLESS of whether it's achieved through birth or immigration.

>>7941398
Human life != "a human being". Your arm is human life, but cutting it off isn't murder.

>>7941403
There's a fundamental difference between eugenics and abortions - eugenics means SOMEONE ELSE choosing for you to reproduce or not, or with who, while abortion is a choice you make yourself. If you're going to ignore that distinction, you might as well say people exercising any kind of free will in sex and reproduction is practicing eugenics.

>>7942345
>Capitalism
>not our gods
>not our highest values.
Move to Cuba or the DPRK then.

>>7942427
I'm pretty sure they consented by partaking in an act that can result in pregnancy (aka sex). They knew the risk involved. Just because you don't like someone that you invited into your house doesn't mean you get to shoot them for trespassing.

>>7942420
Those people probably shouldn't be having children in the first place, but I digress. What do you think adoption is for?

>>7942471
>another jewified american capitalist not understanding the difference between National Socialism and Communism.

National Socialism isn't about making everyone equal. It's about getting everyone on board to work towards what is best for the health of the Volk. It values achievement, beauty, strength, and heritage, not equal outcomes like communism. Capitalism only cares about muh shekels. Thus, both communism and democracy/capitalism are materialistic jewish ideals at their core.

>>7942512
>dumb """natsoc""" not knowing the DPRK is natsoc

>>7942500
>Just because you don't like someone that you invited into your house doesn't mean you get to shoot them for trespassing.
No, but you do get to withdraw consent and tell them to leave. Pregnant people should have the same option.

>>7942506
>Those people probably shouldn't be having children in the first place, but I digress.
I'm talking about people who get pregnant accidentally.

>What do you think adoption is for?
I'm asking if you personally would be willing to adopt. Because if not, you're in no position to tell others not to get abortions.

>>7942512
And who exactly decides "what is best for the health of the Volk"?

>>7942466
>Human life != "a human being". Your arm is human life, but cutting it off isn't murder.
See this is what bothers me about some of the pro-choice people and again* I am pro-choice myself (* >>7937710 )

From the moment of conception that is a growing human being with their very own DNA pattern - unlike an arm, sperm cell or egg it is not a body part but a new person's body

Just because abortion is necessary doesn't mean we should pretend a human being is somehow not a human being yet up until we give them their fucking paperwork

>>7942789
>but you do get to withdraw consent
I agree, women should be able to get abortions and men should be able to retract their financial obligations to the child.

>>7937663
Pro-choice is vehemently against lgbt having body autonomy or bring able to take stuff. They want subsidies for their sacred cows but everyone else has no rights at all. Pro choice isn't pro choice at all, that recent trump budget they're crying about is nothing more than Karma, they lobbied for doing exactly the same thing to lgbt, so how could they object?

I don't like pro-life but at least they're more honest and morally consistent.

>>7937663
abortion is immoral except for cases of rape or deformity.

Define personhood

>>7941625
The fuck? It's a baby. It's not going to be born into a life of guaranteed unending misery just because it was conceived a certain way. Being a rape baby isn't a disease.

>>7941639
That applies to non-rape conceptions too.

>>7941616
>We all started as a "clump of cells" mate

>implying anyone suggests differently
We all also all didn't exist at one point, and now that we do we have human rights. That doesn't mean that people have to fuck without condoms in order to bring forth the humans that might have been and might have developed enough to acquire rights.

>>7937663
It kills nigger babies so I'm for it.

>>7937663
Me and Silent Bob are pro choice; a woman's body is her own fucking business.

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>>7937663
Yes, let's force people to raise children they don't want.
That should end well.

>>7942189
Damn Thank God for abortion. It one of the reasons I hate the Ted Cruz Republicans they want to ban abortion. We should be building clinics in every ghetto in America.

>>7942841
When you say """lgbt""" you actually mean trannies don't you?

>>7945395
>a woman's body is her own fucking business.
Then she can pay for her own birth control and for any child she chooses to have.

>>7942894
Or nigger

>>7942189
What is your comment about Mexicans supposed to mean?

>>7945465
They reproduce like rabbits.

>>7945409
It includes Femboys and other GNC males who also need body autonomy to thrive.

Let's be honest, these people would never approve of what we do or let us do it, yet they say we have to pay them. They're above the law.

>>7937663
>Implying mostly non-whites aborting could ever be a bad thing

>>7952548
wow ur so edgy