/femgen/ - Fake Asians Edition

ayyy lamo

>>7747591
What?

>>7747585
Asians are hot but why God why would someone pay to fuck up their face like that. I don't believe the meme if you go to Korea and get surgery they will turn you asian otherwise I'm pretty sure the medical tourism they offer would take a nose dive.

>>7747625
How is that fucking up your face?

>>7747636
Cause if your Caucasian or any other race that isn't asian you'll end up as awful as the picture in the OP. I hope you didn't think I meant because they were going asian that was fucking up there face far from it asian guys are jaw droppingly gorgeous imo.

>>7747683
I wonder if there would be any way to preform the surgery such that it would not fuck up ones face. Asians are cute.

>>7747717
I don't think it's possible from what I've seen transracial surgeries never work out.

>>7747116
I feel everything you do to the exact coin, Anon. You aren't alone.
I've taken the dive and ordered Bica + Raloxifene to try make myself more feminine in the vein hopes I can enjoy what I look like, to some degree.

You may always have this issue and I can't say if it'll go away with hormone use because I've yet to receive my hormones and fast forwarded time another year to see if it's made me happier or not, but you may as well take the jump if you want to, but it's a pretty heavy journey and not one to take lightly.

>>7747788
Maybe if they tried doing more than just the eyes? Which exact features here make this look bad, and what features still do not seem Asian? If we could identify them, then maybe it would be possible to have a better form of surgery done.

>>7747504
Where do you live? If you're in a decent sized city, post on the subreddit for that city, explain your situation, and see if someone will give you a ride.

Has anyone made a femgen tier list?

>>7747585
Ehh, I guess from a quick glance on the street, from the right angle he might appear as a cis asian
But nah, not really

>>7748542
Top tier for what being a dirty Indian?

"For there are eunuchs who were born that way; others were made that way by men; and still others live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” - Matthew 19:12

blessed are the femboys

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>>7748427
Fuck you this is not mtf general take you're dumb shit ideas there.

>>7748542
I've seen Circe penis too many times for this lifetime. Here's a huge bulge to compensate those that know the struggle of our shit memes.

>>7749075
Jesus knew what's up to bad most modern day Christian are brain dead imbeciles, and have never read the book they preach from.

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>>7748570
>Cis asian
I kek'd well done anon.

>>7747504
I feel your pain quite literally anon my days as a bottom it have come back to haunt me in the worst way I end up passing blood every single day. What has helped at least for me is holistic treatment vari-gone an herbal supplement with horse chest nut extract and supplements, us witch hazel has worked pretty good in reducing swelling. You still need to get checked out by a doctor it sucks but fuck them for saying it can't be your driver if you were in the area I'd help out this shit is unbearably painful, mabye reach out to local LGBT groups see if you can get a driver that way.

>>7748427
yeah we fuck around with that in the discord but keep it out of the thread

>>7748542
why no shave

>>7749828

Post tier list.

>>7749870
Keep that cancer out of here.

>>7749870
no, like >>7749879 says, it's bad for the thread and brings in the mtfg crowd

>>7749884

Tier list:

sparky
ethan
red
zombo
circe

>>7750031
i'm on that list
:^)

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>>7750031
>Didn't even make it onto the list
I'm that much of a failure I should [spoiler]end life[/spoiler]

>>7750122
sparky?

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>>7750569

>>7749716
I only ate a can of tuna and some cheese everyday.
And I walked about 20km everyday.

>>7750031
There are only five boys that post pics in the discord?

>>7750031
>3 trans girls
Why?

>>7750828
i think you mean
>5 trans girls

>>7750791
ghostie, doug, pup, aphex, mans, spije, ab, are online right now and post selfies often. red and circe aren't in the discord.

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>>7747585
Post cm

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>>7751062

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>>7747585
surprisingly genuine alien look?

any experience with obtaining HRT pills in europe, legally or illegally either is fine, I'm interested in taking Bicalutamide & Progynova, was the process difficult?

i think it might be more viable to look like a halfie with a korean ffs surgeon. anyone know of any?

>>7750877
I don't know of those people lol

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>>7747585
this is some serious heresy

>>7751560
What is heresy? And what is this tripcode that I do not recognize?

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>>7751573
heresy comes in many forms anon, like for example these silly looking sushi heads

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>>7751062

>>7750877

The five cutest girls desu

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>>7750828
Woahhhooo half of a tier list and femgen made up of trannys since 90% of the thread is on hormones who would've guessed?
The thread is basically MtF trans people who don't conform to being female but do what they can to look like one anyway

>>7751625
I still do not get it.

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Hey /femgen/
I've noticed there's a huge difference between femboys and flamers.

What's your guys experience with flamers? Do you think they're jealous of you?

>>7752320
Never met one.

>>7752248
How is wanting to keep your youth and androgynous appearance the same thing as being transgender and identifying as a woman?

>>7751191
There are multiple, but what procedures would I ask for exactly to ensure an asianized appearance? From what I have heard, white people have gotten good results from them, and presumably that would include not being asianized. I would want better results than the OP image got.

>>7751094
What exactly is it about the image that puts it into uncanny valley territory?

tfw you're too tall to be on the discord tier list :'<

>>7752522
one of the most popular dudes is like six foot 7

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>>7752522
>>7752528
>pup complains about being too tall and someone uses him as an example for being tall and cute
fucking kek

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>>7752538

but it's not me tho, because I'm 6'5''

>>7751048
WHY TF AM I NOT IN HERE

>>7752622
love you helixneo <3

>>7752261
That is totally fine bro
I am no one in particular btw, carry on

>>7752622
because you weren't online when it was posted?

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no one cared who pup was until he put on the mask

>>7752444
It's not, that's where our differences exist between MtF and Femgen.

But you can't exactly deny that most of the people in /femgen/ basically qualify to be MtF except they latch onto this thread because they don't want to be considered females, but still their heart flutters when being called by female pronouns.

They're there, but not quite there. Others are definitely there, tits and all, but nah 'muh femgen' unique snowflake-ness.

>>7752479
>>7751191
are you guys actually mentally ill?

>>7750877
>>7750828
>>7750791
>tfw too much of a tran to get on the list.

Anyone else hate being born in the USA? Inb4 trump memes but this country really fucking sucks had my ancestors stayed in Europe I'd have been able to move to Scotland get the ffs surgery I need to make me a 10/10 instead here I am slaving away for something that is completely unachievable.

>>7752895
How is what was said indicative of mental illness?

>>7752640
i've been online for 16884736 hours how dare

>>7752690
for you

>>7752920
Why did you quote me in this?

Was on /mu/
Gerard Way was a fucking qt3.14

>>7753005
Yes he is. His music is good too.

>>7752939
Tons of Asians pay good money to NOT look Asian and you want to do the opposite?

>>7752320
Flamers are fun to be around, but I have a hard time forming any sort of meaningful connection with them.
>>7752895
lol yea

>>7753048
Yes. Different people want different things. The FtMs wish to be more masculine, while the MtFs and us wish to be more feminine. Similarly, while some Asians wish to be more white, some white people wish to be more Asian.

What is wrong with wanting to seem Asian?

>>7752895
>you all want to look like girls?
>are you guys actually mentally ill?

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>>7753189
it scares me that I can't concoct a good argument against this

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As a gay crossdressing man, is it immoral to take advantage of my fujoshi friend for free clothes?

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>4 people I know said I sound girly or effeminate
>One of the people I was playing games with one time was streaming and someone in his chat says "Who's the girl?"
>Posted a vocaroo on /v/ one time and got roasted for sounding like a massive fucking beta who's out of breath

Does voice play an important role in being a femboy? I thought I sounded like a normal guy but apparently I'm not.

my friend said my voice is 6/10 masculine, wtf does that mean pls help lol

>>7753994
How the FUCK would we know what your friend means? Why don't you ask your friend? Stupid fucking faggot.

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>>7754016
Quoting this Anon for truth.

>>7753994
>one person has an opinion on my voice wtf ?!???!
If you're insecure about your voice or whatever ask multiple people, a single opinion is seriously the worst sample size you can have.

>>7751156
qhi.co.uk, fembro
p easy

>>7754016
>>7754030
really makes me think

>>7753967
my voice is literally the only thing people like about me and it's gotten me pretty far desu
it helps to sound the part, so you are less like those thai trannies

>>7753863
No I wish I knew fujoshi women someone once said they had a ton of clothes for me and bailed.

>Wear the clothes anon I never could.

>>7754405
Did you have to train your voice or is it naturally high I'm pretty jelly before late puberty hit any time I answered the phone my mom's friends thought I was her it was annoying but I loved my voice even my mom commented my voice seem deeper now. Im considering yeson cause voice training doesn't work and I sound like a stoned surfer 24/7 it's lame.

is there literally any hope of being a housewife as an average/above-average femboy? i really want to have my "job" be taking care of a house and my wife/husband but i just dont think it's possible at all. i feel like i HAVE to straight up transition for this to ever be a possibility

>>7753967
>"Who's the girl?"
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Hey guys, I'd like to have a maximum effect with hormones with.a combo of Spiro and E, but I also don't want any breast growth at all and I heard ralox was really good for that. Is there anything I should watch out for using the 3? How do u balance the dosage?

https://www.ashemaletube.com/videos/234254/goth-cd-plays-with-dildos-and-jerks-off/
See at 10:00, how the legs start shaking?
That's very similar to what I have when I do that.
Any idea how to get over this?

>>7750772
What about satiety?

>>7754702
The estradiol would only add to the effects at the tissues where the raloxifene is pro-estrogenic, putting the estrogen activation there above what we desire, and counteract each other at the tissues where the raloxifene is anti-estrogenic. You have to choose between estradiol, which would give you full feminization, including breasts, or using raloxifene, which will avoiding most adverse effects of effectively having no sex hormones (except for potentially hot flashes), will not give you breasts, but might not give you full feminization elsewhere either.

>>7753967
voice is quite important, i sound like an old dying man with a frog stuck in his throat so i'm an automatic weirdo

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>>7754667
A single person said it, and who knows what it sounded like in the stream to them. Maybe they were foreign and don't know English.

If I vocaroo'd to you all right now you'd pin me as a guy for sure. I don't consider one person mistaking my voice for a girl as being definitive proof.

Though I sound like a colossal faggot... not a bad thing though I think.

>>7754994
I was afraid of that which is why I kept asking around. I either sound like a girly gayboy, or a huge fucking nerd beta who's run a marathon.
Hopefully not the latter either way.

>>7754595
my voice is naturally above average in terms of pitch, but i've been training it to go even higher
...so both
voice training can work, silly, but surgery is usually an easier route with most things
it took me a while to fiddle around with different throat configurations before i got a voice i was happy with
though i'm not a tranny; i actually want a male voice, just a cute one

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How can one minimise the effects of puberty before he can move out and buy hormones?

Asking for a friend.

>>7755193
Vocaroo your voice anon

>>7755201
Castration
just buy hormones

>>7755201
Some people have attempted injecting calcium chloride dissolved in ethanol into the testicules to destroy them.

>>7755201
elastration

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>>7755193
Ive tried and tried several methods to train my voice none really worked and gave me a super gay effeminate voice which was not the direction I wanted to go I'd post my voice from when I worked on it but all I have saved is the lewd stuff I said when I was working a camwhore dumb career choice btw.

Not trans either just tired of having a effeminate body a face that's okayish but a deep manly man voice that belongs in mascgen.

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>>7755431
>>7755422
>>7755252
I meant like foods or supplement dummies not ways to destroy my body. I cant buy hormones at this age unless I openly come out about wanting to be a girl to my parents, which I cant do >~<

>>7755484

>>7755300 not the voice anon, oops

>>7755484
i thought you were asking for a friend! sleep deprivation reduces test level slightly. food, supplements etc. won't do shit.
buy hormones anyway and have your bf recieve them, or castrate yourself, what do you need your balls for when you want to be a girl?

>>7755484
Nothing that is particularly effective, and even those would be as suspicious as cross-sex HRT to buy, and more expensive. Buying the cross-sex HRT online would be much more effective, less expensive, and just as suspicious if you get caught. Another option is literally starving yourself, but that would have significant adverse effects, so I would advise against that.

>>7755484
Just order them like any other anon
I'm gonna assume you're over 16 so get a job like any other normal person and then order them
>b-but I can't send them to my house
Get a PO box or find some fags who would be willing to let you send packages to his house.
If you're gonna ask questions ask the ones that need answers, not the same shit in every thread

>>7755201
deliver hormones to a friend? PO box?

>>7755484
why can't you?

>>7755252
(1) why do you want that? (2) what would i say? (3) which voice(s) do i use? (4) what are you going to be doing with it?

>>7755475
hmm...so you *just* want a pitch shift, yeah? i'd be interested in hearing it, but it's not required
i hear camwhoring is good money though
compared to the amount of work you have to put in, anyway

i get what you mean, though...sort of in reverse
what sorts of things have you tried so far? and how high do you want your voice to be? what is a good level to you?

>>7755792
Camwhoring sucks don't believe the hype I made like 200.00 a week it's a bank roller if you are a girl but a gay dude forget about it you'll have to bust your ass to make anything especially if fem or on hormones cause despite what you say your identity is to horny betas you are just a tranny. I make double what I earned camming with my current comfy job.

Um yeah I wanna increase pitch and mabye get rid of the chest resonance but don't laugh these sound really stupid.

https://clyp.it/mrm3wyfe
https://clyp.it/py2oz1ne

>>7756006
well i'm glad! good on you, anon c:

that's not a bad start at all!
though they were from a year ago so maybe your voice has changed since then

but yeah, what methods have you tried? i assume you've tried the pastebin guide from...it might also be here, but it's definitely in mtfg somewhere
that really helped me start out, particularly the part about how to use your throat muscles to alter your voice

>>7754716
you just use your willpower my dude
you will feel hungry for months

>>7755555
impressive digits friend

>>7756102
It sadly has I haven't even attempted a feminine voice in a whole year. I used the Adams apple method when you swallow and try to keep the Adam apple up when speaking I did that for days when I was working at various call centers I think I know the one but this stuff really confuses me anon.

>>7756516
oh gosh... why haven't you been working on it, if i can ask? and i'd put together a guide but i don't think i know quite enough yet to make it comprehensive, sorry

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I asked a bit before, but I've really been thinking about dying my hair for a while now.
I was thinking maybe silver to go full fag, but a few people I asked told me black would be cute too...

What does /femgen/ think? And what colour?

>>7753120
>What is wrong with wanting to seem Asian?
They barely find themselves attractive.
Artificially making yourself look like them will be considerably worse due to the uncanny valley alien-doll look.

>>7757373
Is my post, I very clearly stated that I would want better results than the OP image, and that indeed should be possible with better surgery. How is it indicative of mental illness if I wish to look Asian, and were to seek out a surgeon that indeed would not result in an artificial look?

>>7757373
How is it relevant if they do not find themselves attractive, if I do find Asian features to be attractive?

>>7757300
im personally biased to silver, but i think either would work for you! black would just be a lil harry potter ish.

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>>7747585
This is now a graffiti thread.

>>7757596
What does that even say?

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I LOVE BARRY :OOOOO

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Sig own name, cuz too badass for life.

>>7757543
I asked before in /fa/ and they said my face looked too "kind" and not bold enough to pull silver off but idk, what do you think?

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>>7757596
i like this one
>>7757614
"anne"?

>>7757614

Have you been bullied on the discord yet for being a 420chan /cd/ trip who posts on passgen?

>>7757795
U wot mate? What discord lel.

>>7757464
I would assume that wanting to drastically change the way you look to emulate another race would be some sort of body dysphoria.

>>7757490
My argument was that others may generally not find it attractive. But if you're only doing it for personal satisfaction then that's not relevant.

>>7757808

The /femgen/ discord.

I hear they're picky about letting trips in. Especially, if they're passgen regulars on /cd/.

>>7757614
The thing that's getting to me isn't you being an insufferable cunt, or your camwhoring or obnoxious appraisal over your finnish bald cunt daddy but it's the graffiti'ing.

>>7757908

shes just nan mtfg attentionwhore from /cd/. she needs to get out but all of you keep giving her dumbass attention.

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>>7757958
Makes sense. But of all the things that we try rip someone apart for, we don't seem to care much for the emoticon spam. muh anonemoose culture

I guess each board really does differ.

>>7757958
I'm sorry for having a life and posting on 4chan :O, why don't you post some interesting pics and we can talk about our feelings together.

Anyone who gets salty at me is like at least 30% more hon than me. I know this from IRL cuz hons get mad at me as well. REEE.

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>>7758039
>hons
>/femgen/ - femboy general

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>>7757877
Chan fags are salty lifeless scumbags, I just come to rub my barely legitimate existence in their face. The ones that actually ever get salty at camwhores are just people who look worse than the camwhore in question.

>>7758074
Who are these guys? I've been seeing them all over the place. Can anyboi give me a quick rundown?

>>7756769
Oh it's just been hard to keep up lately with working 12 hours shifts everyday also I live with my parents and tho they support me I feel weird practicing a feminine voice when they are around like wouldn't that really make them upset. It's cool I probably have it saved somewhere too on my computer.

Sorry for the late post I just got off work.

>>7757828
It is not anymore a case of body dysphoria than the rest of the users of /femgen/ with regards to sexed characteristics.

>>7752487
eyebrows, skin tone, nostril shape
devil in the details

>>7758147
Further surgery could deal with any potential issues of that sort play the eyebrows, unless you are referring to the eyebrows themselves, in which case you have plucking, threading, and makeup. Nostril shape could probably be modified by surgery. Skin tone would likely be disregarded if everything else was fine, but if needed, makeup, and other such ways of changing skin tone, could be done.

Also, what exactly are the issues with the eyebrows, nostrils, and skin tone here? I have trouble dealing with faces sometimes.

>>7758039

Femboy general, not male to female general. Get the fuck out, tranny.

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Bill Kaulitz isn't all that pretty nowadays

>>7752320
define flamers pls

>>7757602
>tfw you have to put up with a stupid femboy going out and vandalizing when all you want to do is sit in the sauna and eat mämmi
the boypussy game though, ridiculous

>>7758573
I think he is! I mean I liked him better before, but now I think he is hot.

MY INFATUATION HASN'T WANED!

He was my first boy crush.

>>7747636
Because that looks absolutely disgusting?

>>7758587
Andrej was my first boy crush...

>>7754872
Is there a problem with using E And ralox at the same time? Like wouldn't it just have the usual feminizing effect on skin, hair, neuro etc yet cancel each other out on breast growth?

Anyone else also knowledgeable on this topic please weigh in too!

>>7758646
I think so, there was some crazy thing about multiple binding sites, and how it would only block one kind.

Would need to ask the guy who figured all that out though.

>>7758607
How does it look absolutely disgusting?

>>7758661
>>7758646
I am the user that figured it out, biochem-anon, and I am the poster here: >>7754872

There are 2 main nuclear estrogen receptor isoforms, alpha and beta. The way the work is through gene regulation, the transcription of some genes is activated and others inhibited. The estrogen receptor binds to a region of DNA to do this. However, it does not do this by itself, something needs to change its conformation, it's shape, so that it can be activated and bind to the DNA. So then, on the estrogen receptor is the binding site for an estrogen. When something binds to that site, it will change the conformation to carrying degrees. It is does not change it at all, it is an antagonist. If it changes it, it is an agonist. The term "partial agonist" refers to an agonist that induces less of a conformational change than some other agonist that it is being compared to. There are also inverse agonists, but I will not describe them as the idea is not applicable to the estrogen receptor. This refers to the activity of a drug. The binding affinity of the drug is how strongly does it bind to the receptor site. For the estrogen receptor, there is also the issue of the coactivators and corepressors, and which ones will be bound to the estrogen receptor complex will be determined by the ligand that activated the estrogen receptor. If the SERM does not bind to the needed coactivators and corepressors needed for pro-estrogenic gene regulation for a specific tissue types, then it effectively acts as an antagonist there. Therefore, by differing by affinity and activity at the two isoforms and by what coactivators and corepressors are recruited, the SERMs have differing effects in different tissue types. Raloxifene is an estrogen beta receptor antagonist, and an agonist at alpha, with a strong binding affinity for both, and differing in what coactivators and corepressors to bind to. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9658195)

>Continued.

>>7758955
>Continued.

Activation of the alpha estrogen receptor is the one mostly responsible for breast tissue growth. (http://m.physrev.physiology.org/content/87/3/905.full) Lets pretend that Raloxifene has equal binding affinity for both isoforms. Then, if you were to counter the antagonism of the raloxifene at some tissue type by using estradiol, then you would also counter it at the breast. So the end result is either the breasts grow, and so you might as well have just taken estradiol, or the raloxifene binds more strongly than the estradiol everywhere, and so you might as well have just taken raloxifene. Raloxifene binds strongly to both isoforms, but more strongly to alpha. (http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/62/13/3649) Assuming that estradiol has equal binding affinity for both isoforms, then it could be used to counter the effects at beta without countering at alpha. As a result, tissues that depend on beta estrogen activation to have a pro-estrogenic effect will have a pro-estrogenic effect. However, I would advise against trying anything like this as it would require getting the concentrations at the receptor sites correct very precisely, requiring knowledge of pharmacokinetics to determine the dosage from the concentration.

>tl;dr
Either the raloxifene will counter the estradiol everywhere or the estradiol will counter the raloxifene everywhere. So, you must choose between having full feminization and breast grwoth by taking estradiol, or having uncertain feminization, but no breast growth and no adverse effects, by taking raloxifene.

>>7759035

Thanks, Sal!

>>7759035
Hi! I'm the one that asked the question and thank you for your knowledge!

When you say "minimal breast growth and unknown feminisation everywhere else", what do u mean by unknown? Do you mean the rate is unknown? As in you can get to estradiol level FEM after a.longer time, or that it may potentially never reach the levels of estradiol no matter how long (e.g. if femininity was a level and estradiol takes you to level 10 in 5 years, will ralox never reach level 10 or will it just take like 6~15+ years?)

Also second question, I read about someone who stayed on Spiro but pingponged between E and ralox every week and they got breast aches but no development. Is this a possibility in your opinion?

>>7758092
the bogdanoff brothers
super-rich french theoretical scientists / bullshit artists

>>7758135
ah, i see
well, if you are serious about it, you're probably going to have to test a few boundaries and get out of your comfort zone a little
either that or get good at hiding it, because practice is pretty key

>>7757787
That's so fucking cute I really can't believe people are hating on street art some incredible illustrations have been created off canvas and on the walls.

>>7757795
Kek thats means the mods must be trans too since /cd/ is stoner chans transboard and knowing of that board well normie cis people don't really hang out there. It's cool but I don't get it some of the main posters came from mtfg lol. Let's stop the trans witch hunt when you are willing letting trans people in which is cool anyways.

>>7759880
Yeah I'm just waiting til my dad gets a job again then I'll have like two days to practice not sure if that enough or I can save up for vfs which my parents know I'm saving for I gave up on ffs who the fuck can afford that.

>>7759561
The unknown feminization comment was referring to raloxifene, and I was saying that what would be feminized would be unknown.

Alternating between estradiol and raloxifene could be done, but feminization would likely be minimal, a week is slightly longer than 5 half-lives of raloxifene.

>>7759966
>I really can't believe people are hating on street art
they're hating on bitter attention whores

>two days to practice not sure if that enough
likely not

>save up for vfs
>ffs
are you sure you're in the right thread? if you want to be a girl there are other threads for that

>>7760074
Lots of femboys get FFS, and some seem to want to get facial asianization surgery as well.

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>>7760098
ty anon, i needed this today

Sometimes I think the femboy meme went too far

>>7749132
he looks very uncomfortable in the third pic

>>7760074
>Wanting to be a girl
>Not wanting to be a cute trap
>And getting ur boipussy daily

I don't fault anyone who is legitimately trans that shit most be tough. I don't want periods or to have a vagina in fact I'm trying to bring my dick back from the dead I don't know any girl that would do that. I want to eliminate the uncanny valley by getting ffs my face will match my lithe body and by getting vfs no one would question my status as a cute trap.

>>7760360
How so?

>>7748570
>cis asian
L O L
O
L

>>7760840
>that shit must be tough
all my trans friends talk about suicide on the daily, unironically...it worries me greatly

>I don't want periods
you will never have periods, period

>I don't know any girl that would do that
people who don't have the resources to be trans

>my status as a cute trap
what do you think a trap is, exactly?

>>7760915
how can someone like this guy be on the internet if he can't read?

reposting from /fa/

>be male
>hips are almost as wide as my shoulders
>used to get mistaken for a girl when I was younger
>had gained and lost a lot of weight during highschool and I think it fucked up my hip bone structure
>started doing basic exercises hoping to get /fit/ but ended up ottermode
>steadily losing weight since I've started working
>can feel a 4-pack under a thin layer of fat
>am 20 but everyone thinks I'm 16-17

I used to be embarrassed by all of it but I'm starting to warm up to it
how do I embrace the skinny twink life /femgen/?

>>7758146
No, it is, because you're going as far as to have surgery to disfigure your face. Most people here just shave their legs and shit. The farthest anons here will go is popping pills to block test/increase estrogen levels, and even they're probably in the minority.
But what you want to do is almost as bad as someone wanting to hack off their genitals. You want to permanently change your face until you're not even recognizable as being of your race. That's nearly tranny-levels of dysphoria. Trans-racial?

>>7758696
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

>>7761019
Many users here get FFS.

>>7761019
Kpop stars end up buying ffs to better fit their pretty boy asthetics.

The record lables even tried to force Psy to get FFS

>>7761043
It should be possible to do things better such to avoid the uncanny valley. This person had the constraints of only changing the eyes, having it be reversible, and spending only 3,100 USD equivalent. Without those constraints, it should be possible to get better results.

>>7760840
Spoiler, as a trap you need to look like a girl, which essentially means being a Trans.
You can give or take the tits, but a trans isn't defined as having tits.

>>7760958
What exactly are you looking for? Fashion advice or how to be a better twink?

>>7760360
indeed

>>7761125
How many is "many"?

>>7761271
Here is the survey data: http://pastebin.com/Bq5QGwN5

>>7761282
More than I imagined. But then again, most of them are trannies.

>>7761162
Traps are okay with being male and having a penis though, they don't qualify as transgender

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>>7761331
^This
traps are secure in their gender identity and merely want to be as cute as possible.

>>7761162
Except despite if you look like a girl and you still see yourself as a man who cares what the normies think. Would a woman be okay with being called a man probably fucking not.

>>7761136
>Tfw not a K-pop star
Do jrock and jpop singers do this too?

>>7760915

>all my trans friends talk about suicide on the daily, unironically...it worries me greatly

Shit you got me there I tried to commit suicide at eight years old and have multiple attempts throughout my life.

>you will never have periods, period

Right I get that but most of my trans friends say they want to have babies periods to go through female puberty that sounds like a fucking nightmare to me.

>people who don't have the resources to be trans

I have the resources I'm on hrt but it's only to get a cute asthetic.

>what do you think a trap is, exactly?

A cute boy that fools straight guys into thinking they are a girl while retaining their boyish personality and charm.

>>7761019
>they're probably in the minority
I have such incredibly high doubts for these words considering where we are right now.

>>7761331
And that's what 'differentiates' them but it's like looking at a turtle and tortoise, most people don't see a difference even if the differences are there. At the end of the day they both take hormones to achieve their goals.

Unless you're blessed with genetics to be androgynous like Frank Wolf was. May he rest in peace (and may I follow soon)

>>7761821
>I have such incredibly high doubts for these words considering where we are right now.
Yeah but how many of those are actually fembois and not tranny scum that need to gtfo?

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>>7761948
A very solid, huge, throbbing good fucking point.

Any guys here on bica who can say whether/how much it worked for them re: stopping hair loss?

i have a qt thicc femboy weed dealer that im 90% sure is on HRT
hes friendly and smiles, also bends over and im pretty sure wiggles his butt on purpose when hes getting the weed from under the bed
any tips on how to approach?
should i just force myself on him? i lift so i can take him, i doubt he would go to the police cos of the weed

>>7762272
Tell him "you know, you're oddly cute for a drug dealer"

>>7757602
kek

>>7761819
that doesn't necessarily mean you're trans, but i am worried about you...though this is likely a joke, as it usually is on the internet

that certainly sounds like a...strange experience, at least if you've already gone through the early male life cycle already

the full resources, e.g. surgeries and still being able to function as a human being after going through with it (jobs, friends, etc.)

how long have you been on this site?
trap, as it was originally intended, was a severely altered/butchered male (boobs, female face, etc.) that fools unsuspecting men into getting into sexual situations with them (i.e., they're lured into the "trap")
but thes terms aren't exactly concrete, was just curious what you thought of it
it would be nice if there was a solid definition of these things so categorization would be easier

Ethan, the owner and creator of femgen has gotten FEMALE FEMINIZATION SURGERY.

>>7762393
Oh no he feminized his female?

>>7762272
>Considering raping a guy.

Seriously dude fuck that shit. Ask the little guy if he's gay and if he is gay tell him your really cute see if he reciporcates by touching you. If so proceed from there but don't ruin the guys fucking life cause you mirin that bp

>>7762272
That's kinda funny. Most drug dealers I know are either scary nigs or scary white dudes
Surprisingly a lack of scary Mexican drug dealers

>>7762412

She is a full-time woman.

>>7762272
what the fuck dude
just communicate like a non-autistic human adult
"Hey man I think you're pretty cute, sorry if it's too personal a question, don't feel pressured to answer but are you gay?" and take it from there

I need pics of cute guys in leggings STAT

>>7762393
Oh wow who did his surgery and does it look really good can you post pics or would that make him mad?

>>7762272
this is probably the most autistic thing i've read all day
i find it hard to believe a human wrote this

>>7762685
it was a joke but he looks kind of like a 60 year old mom that smokes

>>7762685

wish i saved pictures , but he looks like a mtf thread girl now

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>>7762679
>Been told I'm cute in them
>Instantly think about which thread this is and how someone else can do it
>Thinking about why someone would be actually asking for them and not just going to /b/ or something
You're looking for niche picks to catfish as aren't you?

I'm not falling for that again, catfishing is real

>>7762679
I have cute pajamas but no leggings lol

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>>7762679
This guy was pretty cute from a thread talking about clothes

>>7762741
I wonder if anyone has been catfished with their own images before. I've been giving catfish bait for a little while and I'm wondering how long it'll take before I see any of them again.

>>7762741
nope just a femboy-chaser, not as easy to find such specific cute boy pics as you might think
bulges in leggings look cute if the boy is also cute

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>>7761821
>Frank Wolf
god tier femboy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Wolf_(politician)

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Am I sexy?

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AYOO HOL UP, WE WAZ, HONS AND SHIET!?

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>>7763030
Stupid dumb dumb! Not that one!!

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Zed adc main :O

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>tfw too intelligent to date a femboy

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Damn there was this Taiwanese/Korean gay boy from texas... weird combo, who was my classmate in college. He was tall skinny really handsome fashionable, fairly femme, but not super femme. I loved how he talked, he had a soft lisp and a southern twang but still had a slight Chinese accent. In hindsight I wish I had talked to him more. I wasn't thinking about my sexuality very much then, we were freshmen and I was like 17. I was so nervous about college and overall an awkward kid.

We saw a funny movie with our friends and he grabbed me during a really funny scene in a weird way. Nobody ever held on to me like that before. And he would always smile at me and compliment me. He bought me a shirt once. I didn't think anything about it. Now I think about him every now and then, I wish I had done something more. Uhg.

Better for him though, I ended up being a loser.

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Are these leggings I don't even know but here you go anon.

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>>7763284
It is such a good feeling when you just "click" with someone like that...don't worry about it anon. There are many boys that I felt naturally attracted to that I ignored because of school and awkwardness. You have a lot of time to find people, and when the timing is right, you will have your chance again.

are femboys attracted to ordinary boys?
if so, with what frequency?

as an ordinary boy, what would be my chances to find a femboy and have a relationship, given that I am awkward as hell and my initial conversation is going to be horrible.

>>7763443
I thought I was more straight, but thinking about my classmate makes me really attracted to asian guys. Why are they so fucking good looking?

>>7763496
Asians trigger me because I am gay and their eyes look like vaginas.

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>>7763464
You should really strive to be more than ordinary. Boys (and girls) like men who are fit and confident. My default advice is to get /fit/ but if you are too pussy for gym life, you can just try dressing nicer and working on your confidence instead.

>>7761948
It depends upon how you define the words. The users in this thread still identify as male.

>>7763546
lol, nice

>>7762393
Biochem-anon owns femgen, Ethan owns the discord.

>>7763559
>Boys (and girls) like men who are fit and confident
i wouldn't say this is always the case desu
it's great if you want to pick up an easy slut though, for sure

>>7762393
I'm gone hit y'all femboy niggas with the Forced Evolutionary Virus

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>>7763577
Anecdotally, I like boys that are fit but not necessarily /fit/. Like obv. if they are fat or out of shape that is not cool, but if they are a bit of a weakling it's fine.
And you do not have to be fit to pick up a slut. Trust me. I know. As for confidence, that is helpful for picking up anyone slut or not.

>>7763592
I'm 23 years old and I have had sex with two strangers from grindr. I'm not fit.
I just want to experience my first *meaningful* handholding, and I am not kidding in the least.

>>7763464
I have a thing for ordinary boys and a separate thing for boys who are skinny and feel like they aren't masculine enough. Most people say I have weird taste though so it's not very likely. Goodluck anon!

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>>7763597
You can't force it. If you want to try dating you should hang out around fags, that is what I do.
I mean yes there are fems who just like normal masculine men to answer your original question.

>>7763592
>Like obv. if they are fat or out of shape that is not cool
tfw i'm the only person who doesn't care about appearances
he's deffo overweight and out of shape, but i love his personality and he's just so sweet <3
and you can pick up a slut no matter what if you have enough money, it seems
confidence is a hit or miss for me; one of my biggest turnoffs is when someone i don't like is confident in their interactions with me
does anybody else think these things, or am i the odd one out again?

>>7763625
>If you want to try dating you should hang out around fags.
uhhh, this isn't good
if I started hanging with homos because of this, i feel like my sexuality would define a bigger part of my life that i'd like

>>7760000
Nice quads

Well what about like longer time periods tho? A week was just an example, I'd assume breast development requires consistent "agonist" E to continue. Like monthly alternating with ralox would at least allow places where both ralox and E to work to consistently develop whilst leaving the breasts relatively untouched?

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>>7763704
I mean, it's your life. Do whatever the fuck you wanna do. I like to hang around homos cos I can relate to them and because then I can find cute boys to maybe take out. Idk

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>>7763665
In a way kind of the opposite for me. I love it when men are confident with me, even if I don't find them physically attractive. If you can grip your nuts and ask me out, or even just gimme your number, I think that's very attractive. But if I tell you to fuck off cos I don't like you, I expect you to leave me the fuck alone.
On the other side, I really hate it when boys are too afraid to talk to me so they walk around asking people questions about me and staring at me. Like, what the fuck. If you know that I'm a faggot, roll your dice. Idk it irritates me personally

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>>7762572
>>7762272
>>7762482
Plot twist, the drug dealer is juuzou suzuya. He'll probably start crying if you rape him and cut your dick off with a knife or something

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>>7763763
maybe i'm just not comfortable with my sexuality.. i donno

>>7763815
In my experience boys who try to never tell anyone they are gay and are afraid of going to pride events and yadda yadda usually are insecure about their homosexuality. But that is not my problem, it's yours. So good luck with that.

>>7763785
what do you think you find attractive about that? interests = piqued
really? i find information gathering to be sweet, as it shows they care enough (and have though enough) to put research in before pursuing me
and eye contact is, like, the epitome of romanticism imo~

>>7763568

She owns both.

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>>7763910
Personally I am a very honest and upfront person. If I want to get to know you, I will sit down with you and try talking to you. And if I do that, and I can tell you're not interested, I'mma just leave you the fuck alone. But if I'm feeling it then I will pursue you.
When someone goes around asking questions, it bothers me cos to me it means you're too intimidated by me to approach me and ask whatever question or thing it is you wanna know. So when people conquer that nervousness and fear, and just come after me, especially since I am masculine, I think that's hot. It's one thing if we are seeing eachother and you ask people about me, I think that makes a lot more sense.

>>7763875
I am actually bisexual so it feels that much more difficult to throw away being 'ordinary'
and there is the added stress of not being outgoing
like... what am i even going to do as a socially recluse person

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>>7763795
Kek then anon gets to be the girl he's always wanted to be.

>>7763973
If you are bisexual then it's up to you if you wanna hang out with fags and if you want boys or girls. If you are a social recluse you probably have tons of social problems and maybe some mental ones but that is none of my business, either way anon much love and I wish you the best with w/e you decide to do bro

>>7760498
>oh fuck is this gay?
>>7762393
Neil !!ebZHrqaLVkj started femgen, not Ethan.
>>7763030
cuuuuute

>>7763752
The usual way is to use estradiol until your breasts develop to whatever level you are comfortable with, and then switch to raloxifene, and when if/when it goes back down again, switch back to estradiol, and continuously alternate between the two to keep breast development roughly constant at the desired level of breast development.

>>7764010
>either way anon much love and I wish you the best with w/e you decide to do bro
all i can say is that human life wasn't mean to be lived this way ;_;

>>7763961
interesting...we don't have too many of those around here. it's so strange how we can live such different lives but still end out roughly the same, i think. are you from the south by any chance? i met a boy from texas who was like this and it was so cute
aah, i see what you mean. do you find shy people to be weak, then? and why would they ask people about you if you're in a relationship with them already? wouldn't that be, like, the best situation to ask you stuff? i can get if it's secret stuff like surprises, but otherwise it seems a little odd

why don't you guys just take all the hormones?
if you like to look like a woman, is this not the most reasonable path to take?

are you reluctant because hormones might make your dick unusable, or are there more reasons?

>>7763952
Not really.

>>7764086
We don't want to look like a woman, we want to be feminine and also boys.

>>7764086
way ahead of you anon. i got an orchi last year and i've been switching between t and e every few weeks since then

>>7764101
>we want to be feminine and also boys
welllll, you don't have to worry about that
because all those people who indeed WANT to look like women take those hormones and end up as girlish boys either way (sizable proportion of them)

>>7764108
What has it been like switching between testosterone and estradiol? What dosages, what switching frequency? We need details, anon.

>>7764086
>why don't you guys just take all the hormones
this would likely be very dangerous and expensive, as well as probably not working as intended

>if you like to look like a woman
looking women-like is a bit different than looking directly like a woman, but that's somewhat of a debated issue here

>hormones might make your dick unusable
estrogen will eventually reduce penile function, and most aa's do this to some extent as well

>are there more reasons
yes
main ones i can think of off the top of my head are questionable safety, legal, monetary, and efficiency reasons

>>7764086
Many want to be androgynous, and in particular wish to avoid the development body breasts. That is why we have people taking SERMs, such as raloxifene,instead of normal, full estrogen agonists, such as estradiol.

No I am northeast. I guess that if you are shy you have low confidence, but uh. Idk if strength has anything to do with it.
People will ask about just because they wanna know what other people think about you. Like really it comes down to just distrust I guess. And sometimes you can't just unload questions on people, maybe you're afraid to ask me something so you ask someone else, could be a couple things.
Me, I usually just take it as it goes. You learn more about a person as you spend time around them anyway. I'll ask questions if I think I need to know something, but if I had doubts about someone I wouldn't pursue them to begin with. Bad idea to me.

>>7764158
Meant to reply to: >>7764057

>>7764057
>>7764158
fucked up the reply

Hey gays

Straight anon here for a quick question.
When I have to shit, I always laugh a lot.
Is this because my shit is pushing against my prostate?

Do you guys laugh while getting fucked?

>>7764228
this post is too precious to be a troll

>>7764228
I often hear bottoms giggling while I'm fucking them. There may be something to this.

>>7761216
Both! I don't know how to show off my figure and am new to this kind of stuff in general

>>7764086

Reminder getting on biccalcumide saved my dick. You can be pretty and not sacrifice your lewdness there is zero harm in taking hrt if you want to stay andro. Honestly I wish this shit was around when I was 16 I could have been a Twink forever.

>>7764246
>>7764228
Stuck a dragon dildo up my ass to test this started giggling like a slut can confirm anon is onto something.

>>7764263
>tfw don't want to be lewd anyway and am 100% okay with being nonfunctional because cuddles > lewd

>>7764293
Bicalutamide would save your muscles as well, though.

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>>7764293
Most partners aren't going to just want cuddles I admit a lower sex drive is nice at times but when you find the right guy you should be on your knees sucking his dick every night and getting your boipussy pounded cuddles are for the after glow of him cumming inside you and holding you tight as the little spoon.

Ugh I just need a bf lol

>>7764384
I would be fine with just cuddling and making out, I would like it if I had a lower sex drive.

>>7764306

Bicalutamide destroys your muscles. Where are you getting your information?

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>>7764384
>>7764426
>tfw no low sex drive but actual emotional connection femboy bf

>>7764239
I asked a friend but neither of us are gay so I thought this would of been a good place

>>7764246
>>7764291
Am I really the first to discover this

I always laugh so much and it kind of puts me in a good mood as gross as that is

>>7762393
why yes, yes i did
and i don't regret it
>>7763952
:^)

>>7764045
Ah I see, so would you say one month bursts of Estradiol are optimal? Cos I don't know if when they get sore it's like too late. I do t want really any development at all so what should be key signs to switch to ralox and what signals to switch back to E.

Thanks again for the help btw!

>>7765164
Maybe when they starting poking out a little bit would be best? Raloxifene should have some effect on existing breast tissue, particularly if it was gained recently, but I do not think there is any research on cycling these drugs like this. Just, when cycling them, be sure to increase the dosage of the other at a rate such that estrogen activation at the tissues that they are both pro-estrogenic at should stay the same.

Why is it the super cute fem guys are only after sex and not interested in like cuddling and stuff like that

>>7765307
>not interested in like cuddling and stuff like that
but it's the best part

>>7765336
This fem guy I know always is asking me to show him my dick and whenever I bring up cuddling and he just deflects it with 'I'm not very good at that kind of stuff' definitely gives the impression of only wanting sex

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>>7764384
>>7764515
>tfw no lover

>>7765476
just give him a proper cuddle where he doesn't have to do anything

>>7765237
I see, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that last bit. Do you mean like let's say the breasts diminish due to me taking ralox and I hop back on E and I used to take 2mg consistently, I should hop on 3-4mg for a few days/weeks before dropping down to 2mg?

Or if like u mean like make E rate stable, what's the equivalent? Like 2mg estradiol = ?mg ralox

>>7765514
Easier said than done I'm a shy person and I get super nervous about the whole thing

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Anyone has dandruff?
Is it a sign of high T?

>>7765839
It's a sign of not massaging your scalp properly while your wash your hair. You should literally feel your skin moving around on your skull while you rub your scalp.

What BMI /weight should I aim for?

>>7765839
who dis

>>7764158
>>7764164
>>7764165
ooo, neat!
would this not apply to asking about you before being together? i think i might be missing something here, sorry
are you okay with not knowing something if you don't really need to know it?

>>7765307
because the slut incidence in femmy males is very high, anon
broken people will have such problems, with few exceptions

>>7766074
18 and less is considered underweight, if that's what you want
being thicc will have a higher bmi requirement though, but few people naturally have the fat distribution to be thicc right off the bat, so try starting smaller

>>7766181
BMI is 23 right now.
But I have thicc thighs mostly of muscles.

>>7766193
nice
what's your endgoal though? kind of important if you're looking for something as general as a bmi

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>>7764498
I hope this isn't true. I can lift a 20kg computer chair at most for like 5 seconds before having to drop it and be wheezing like I'd just run a marathon, and my bica is on its way. That'd make it so I can't even carry like, 15kg at that point...?

>>7764158
I'm the opposite, I'm so incredibly curious about others I ask so many questions and am too naive or autistic to know when to stop so I step over so many boundaries that people just can't handle me.
Every new person I meet is like dumping a bucket of me on them rather than a small tap's worth, and I don't have many friends because of it since I just drive them away. Feelsbadman.

>>7766209
I'm weigh 72 Kg / 158 lbs , and about 177 cm / 5'9".
I'm trying to be more petite but it's hard when most of my weight is muscles.

>>7765476
>>7765514
some people just don't like hugs and cuddles much, even with those they love.

>>7766285
>>7764498
In the study on bicalutamide used on males with prostate cancer linked in the Pastebin, there was no muscle loss.

>>7766285
>and I don't have many friends because of it since I just drive them away. Feelsbadman.
same
some people don't mind though, so if you can find people like that you're golden

>>7766356
atrohpying the muscles is a good, yet slow, way to reduce their mass over time
i.e. just don't use them so much, if it can be helped
why do you want to be petite? i've been trying for a while to stop being petite, but it's hard to gain weight that looks nice

>>7766356
i'm 176 and 69, and i exercise professionally(biking, running, walking 7 hours a day). i'm still so flabby, with huge hips and tits I think i might be XXY or have some hormone problems

>>7766874
you should try looking up studies for yourself instead of blindly trusting what a pastebin link says in a thread full of drug-peddling shills

>>7766875
>why do you want to be petite
Because it's more feminine?
>>7766888
Are you on HRT?
The only thing I'm on is Fina.

>>7765520
The opposite, you should start off lower when switching and as the blood concentrations of the old drug decrease, increase the dosage of the new one. You would look at whatever is the normal dosage of raloxifene for males with prostate cancer on bicalutamide being given the raloxifene to counter the adverse effects, and the dosage of estradiol that you need, and designate those dosages as 100%. There likely exists some online tool to see what the blood concentrations should be when from the half-lives, input the half-lives into that, and administer the dosage needed to be at 100% combined through the switch. The blood concentrations are generally considered to be negligible at 5 half-lives.

>>7766074
>>7766193
BMW isn't what you should be caring about since it's just a measurement of your overall weight should go for body fat percentage

>>7766895
not always, silly
i suppose it's a decent option if you have bad fat allocation but good bone structure
because you will likely be a skelle if you drop down to ~14 bmi

>>7766894
I was the one that wrote the current version of the Pastebin, I did indeed read the study myself before talking about it here.

>>7747585
How many of you are trans (whether you transitioned or not) and decided it was too hard so you live in a state of cute boi denial? I know I am and I'd guess a solid majority of you guys are too. Hows it working out anyways? I'm only a few months into detransition and I'm already questioning the sustainability.

>>7766895
I don't take any medicine or anything unusual, my balls are normal though, so maybe I just have natural hypogonadism, or just a feminine bodytype
i don't really have the face or disposition to be a femboy though, maybe i need SERMs or test

>>7766285
That nekoboy is hungry. :(

>>7766923
>>7766888
Try seeing a doctor if you are concerned.

>>7766913
as it is, i would not trust a single study of "osteoporotic men with non-metastatic locally advanced prostate cancer" (which there were both recorded slight losses and gains, both of which has decently high p values) to be usable for (younger) men who the drug is not designed/intended for
however, it's likely the best we're going to get for a little while, so i can commend your efforts to some extent
perhaps in time there will be more studies to cross reference for better data in this regard

>>7766895
A femboy with muscles is cute.

>>7766910
Except that most people use BMI as a way of approximating body fat percentage. Most people do not have access to the more accurate methods.

>>7766956
Thanks, I guess.
I gained muscles because of physical therapy after injury.

>>7766963
post abs?

>>7766960
Calipers cost like 10 dollars and are about 3-5% off a tape measure costs around 8 dollars and is about as accurate as a caliper and BMI doesn't give you any kind of knowledge of body fat just your overall mass

>>7766980
I'm hairy though.

>>7766912
Please do not starve yourselves to death, fellow femboys.

I want to wear cute stockings instead of shaving my shin/calf

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>>7767014
Already starving myself and making progress. From 24 to 21 BMI in 2 months.

>>7767014
i've climbed my way from 14 bmi to almost 19 now so i'm definitely not starving myself~
though i will likely settle down to ~17 once i can actually obtain food when i want it

>>7767164
why not both?

New thread:
>>7768905
>>7768905
>>7768905