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Badass birds edition. What's your favorite bird?

old thread: >>7342430

Transition timelines:
http://helpfultransinfo.tumblr.com/tagged/tc

Bottom surgery info:
http://gendercube.tumblr.com/

Passing guide for AAPs:
http://ftmguide.rassaku.net/

Old sites, but still great one-stop-shops for FTM information:
http://ftmguide.org/
http://thetransitionalmale.com
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posted this at the end of the last thread, some post-op diccs in porn:
http://drakensberg.tumblr.com/post/58808220437/ftmfucker-we-got-a-chance-to-get-up-close-and
http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/ftm-fucking-18163112
http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/Post-Op-FTM-Blowjob-24505631
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Do cis girls get irrationally depressed, hopeless and dead inside around their period or is it an ftm thing?

I'm talking losing will to live, staying in bed and not getting out of it depressed.
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>>7364227
some do
>>7364323
hi cara! is this to be interpreted as a sign you're no longer treating trans men as entirely female? i knew you were smart enough to make progress, though for a while you were worrying me that you weren't...
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>>7364217
Budgies
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>>7364217
Too lazy to look up the English name but the Leierschwanz is awesome and can mimick every sound. And you can sort of translate it to stretch dick, even though the meaning is different.
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>>7364350
you let nicole change you by letting her harden your heart with hate
you let everyone change you -- you just don't admit it, because you have some deep-seated idea that the only way you can survive is as an island
but no man is an island
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>>7363606

It's probably normal I've only had one injection fuck up and my thigh hurted the whole rest of the week. I'm pretty sure if you get a lot of soreness it's because you either hit a nerve injecting or your leg accidentally twitched while the needle was in and it hurt the muscle a little.

>>7364217 My favorite bird is the blue heron because they're everywhere at my school and really funny to watch. They also aren't scared of students so they will let you walk right up to them. Also when they cross the roads I always see them use the sidewalk which is really weird.
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>>7364323
>Women can't get depression
Not sure if... naw, definitely troll.
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>>7364471
i didn't say the hate you felt was towards nicole, cara, i said it was caused by her
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>>7364217

Dee Reynolds
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>>7364493
She's had strong influence over my life and me over hers. So yes.
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>>7364541
man, when i read 'led by the child who simply knew' years ago i never suspected it would end in this
what's with the medical breathing tube pictures, by the way? you have one of cara that you also seem to really like
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>>7364560
Probably because makes them look cute and humble.

What do you mean "end in this"?
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>>7364323
Citation needed
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favorite bird
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>>7364684
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>>7364688
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>>7364684
Also favorite bird... and rat, bear, dog, cat, goat
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>>7364691
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>>7364692
He looks like a possum in this one >>7364701
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>>7364707
... And now he's my favorite possum. And I guess my favorite pokemon too since he shoots lightning from his tail.
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>>7364217

i don't really have a favourite aside from gypsy cuz i just generally really like birds... but being less bias/specific than that... conures and budgies when it comes to pets... and wild birds... i really like sparrows, wrens, and crows

>>7364684
>>7364688
>>7364691

that fucking game took so long to come out i've all but completely lost interest in it... i liked ico and shadow of the colossus a lot though...
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I like owls. Domesticated birds sound like little assholes from Brooklyn's posts. Fuck them.
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>>7364834

they can be assholes... but mostly they aren't

gypsy's going through puberty right now so she can be one sometimes to people who aren't my s/o and i, but when she was a baby she was nice to everyone, and when she's done with being hormonal she should be too... there's just phases you gotta deal with when you get them from a very young age which i knew to expect in advance... she's past one, and after a bit of time she'll be over this one too and then settle down more...

i think they're worth it though... i prefer them to any other kinda pet i've had/grown up around (dogs,cats, ferrets, fish, reptiles, other small mammals etc) cuz i think they're easier and like their personalities more... gypsy usually just wants to chill with me and/or my s/o cuddle, and play... and she does cute shit like jump into bed with my s/o and i every morning to cuddle between us and play fight when we're awake... she chills with me and dances and sings while i play guitar, she's really well behaved outside... it's just that they're intelligent and she's a lot like my niece was wheny niece was 1 1/2, so they need stimulation... and my budgies are really easy, they just chill with each other or fly over to spend time near us (they don't like being pet, they're not fully tame) and mostly just sing (especially when i'm playing something or my s/o is listening to music) and fly loops around the room their playground is in (they can come out, i leave the door open but they don't... gypsy does) and say "i love you" at each other... i guess one of them throws tantrums if i don't bring him breakfast early enough, but i just find that shit funny...

they're definitely not for everyone, but they're loyal (nearly all of the birds i've had/have got out at one point or another and came back home almost immediately) affectionate, and playful... which i prefer in a pet... i like cats the least i think... or reptiles since they're boring...
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>>7364415
Not necessarily. I get really sore and the injections always go good. My doc said its probably because I dont have too much muscle there. Ive had a few injections (not t related but also in the ass) go wrong and you would definitely know if you hit a nerve. The injection itself hurts like hell when you hit a nerve but when you dont, it only starts getting sore afterwards.
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>>7364988

when my*
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Haircut tomorrow. Gonna show this picture and see how it goes. Will I end up dyke-mode? Maybe. Can't show a men's cut while I'm still girlmode. But my hair is starting to curl and it's driving me nuts.
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>>7364217
I've always really loved pigeons for some reason.
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>>7364217
Osprey are pretty great.

>captcha has a falcon selection
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>>7365184
Pigeons are cheeky fuckers
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>>7365501
Indeed
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>>7365616
Hep
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7
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>>7365113
That cut works on me. You won't look like a dyke unless you're fat, or have a really wide face.
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I've been thinking of doing an experiment. Where i buy a double-sided dildo and fuck a vag/asshole toy with it. In an attempt to simulate being able to really fuck with a penis.

The lappet-faced vulture is the coolest (and biggest) bird.
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>>7364988
>and my budgies are really easy, they just chill with each other or fly over to spend time near us (they don't like being pet, they're not fully tame) and mostly just sing (especially when i'm playing something or my s/o is listening to music) and fly loops around the room

mine are afraid of me, but they do the fly around the room thing, and sing when i type. they like it when i'm on my computer for whatever reason

they aren't really tame either. sometimes they fight, they're mother and son (senior and junior, i call them)

is it normal for them to chase one another around the cage?
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I like crows and bearded vultures.
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>>7366881
if you want to try something like that look up strapless strapons

feeldoe is the big name brand but you can find cheapo versions

that said, i often find they work best with undies/harness to hold it in a lil, unless you have ebin kegel control
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>>7367178

is your computer near where they chill? cuz that's probably it...

mine will land on me or my s/o every so often, but mostly they'll just stay just out of reach near us... i've pet them here and there, but the budgies i had before them i could pet and play with (even though they never flew over to me) so it's a little weird for me the way they're both friendlier and more reserved

mine don't fight, but the ones i had before did (but they also would cuddle each other and move in unison and were mates whereas the 2 i have now are more like friends)

i don't cage my birds unless they're going to sleep or i'm not home so idk about chasing each other around the cage, but i guess sometimes they fuck with each other like that on their playground... but different pairs will act differently with each other so it's probably just normal for yours... i've had 5 budgies throughout my life and they've all had distinctive personalities...
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How does a cis guy get a qt ftm bf?
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>>7366881
It won't really feel like fucking with a penis, it'll just feel like fucking as you're getting fucked. It's a way to get mutual pleasure, though.
As the other anon said though, get a feeldo. It's meant for this kind of thing, whereas a regular double-ended dildo might slip out or something.
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>>7367706

Step 1. Consider us guys; not just "cunt boys" or "bonus hole boys" or whatever the current demeaning term-de-jour is.

Step 2. Have mutual interests beyond wanting a trophy partner.

Step 3. Initiate "hanging out" - because many of us were horribly antisocial during our first round of puberty because of freaking out over turning into tit-bags.

Step 4. Confess to being a little queer.

Step 5.

Step 6. Can has qt transboyfriend.
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>>7367706
>find a cute FtM
>hit on him
>????
>profit

>>7367737
Depends on both you and the other person, obviously. Maybe you're the boring one, who knows.
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>>7367706
>>7367783
Do this in central FL pls
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>>7367783
Okay where do I find these types? And how many ftm are into women or mtf instead of guys?
>>7367786
Sorry way north of you
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why did I get dirty looks all day at my first day of work? I just sat with a bunch of girls only so I can hear the supervisor train us. It was pretty much segregated and men and women mostly on their own sides. I don't understand how the fuck to be social. I made some pretty decent convos today but no one really interests me to keep a convo going. Are we supposed to initiate it because I'm a male now? Been on t for 4 years and finally socializing a little more.
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>>7367737

idk... people usually tell me i have too much personality if anything... i guess you might disagree with them all, but eh...

birds are just the current subject and i own one... i'll talk about nearly anything though, and i'll listen to shit i can't talk about to hear what someone else thinks...

judging someone's personality on conversations here is prettty stupid anyway... people aren't exactly multi-dimensional on 4chan
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>>7367793
I'm into women. I haven't been with an mtf yet.
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>>7367796

idk i just kinda end up speaking to people, or they'll speak to me... i get dirty looks and shit occasionally, but that's just cuz not everyone is gonna like you... or at least that's how it works for me... people either like or hate me and it's usually instant... getting to know me can change people's minds in either direction
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>>7367793

i'm bi and trans or cis is fine... i just don't do monogamy, anything else is fine
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>>7367819
I met someone like that before
They got too spooked and ghosted me though
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>>7367796
yes, you are supposed to initiate it because you are male now
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>>7367810

+ people just walk up to me and will walk up a couple of blocks and tell me about their life and shit so we just talk... idk, it's easy for me to just talk to people cuz it just happens and i react without thinking so i just start talking back
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>>7367793
>And how many ftm are into women or mtf instead of guys?
Most FtM I've seen are gay, I think. I'm into girls though.
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>>7367793
>Okay where do I find these types? And how many ftm are into women or mtf instead of guys?
What the fuck do I look like, the U.S. Census Bureau?

Make a dating profile and SAY in it that you're down with: "blah blah blah transguys and whatever"

The main thing, bro, is don't be a chaser. Don't got HUNTING a transguy. There isn't a reserve of us near Yellowstone where we're out there chopping firewood and skinning beaver, y'know?

Just go out and get on with your life. Do interesting things, be an interesting person, meet other interesting people... some of them are pretty likely to be transguys. If you're an open supporter and make no secret of being open to relationships with transguys then one will admit to being one and maybe you'll work out.

Thing is, most of us strive to be stealth. I need to know a person IRL for about a year before I "come out" as trans... and I'm in a LIBERAL as HELL area. We're cautious because we don't want to get goddamn shot or lynched.

It's like hunting a fucking werewolf.
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>>7367856
wew that sounds like a lot of wasted time that I could spend doing something else
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>>7367894
You mean... living your life?
That's kinda what I was suggesting, anonski.
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>>7367916
>Do interesting things, be an interesting person, meet other interesting people
>Be sure to show no actual interest whatsoever (i.e be a "chaser")
>Hope that you happen to maybe me one of the people that account for less than one percent of the population randomly btw
Nah fuck all of that
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>>7367926
desu I wouldn't mind a fella who says he's interested specifically in a trans bf as long as he's respectful and clearly shows interest in me as an individual in addition to being sexually attracted.
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>>7367926
Anon had a bit of a point with that, though. If you just go posting everywhere that you're looking for a FTM bf, you'll look like a chaser and any self-respecting FTMs would steer clear of you.
Go hunting around gay bars or something, or anything gay/LGBT-inclusive.
The big thing is making it clear that you're accepting of transguys as they are and don't see them as "bonus holes" or anything, as a chaser would.
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>>7368016
Okay this isn't me >>7367926
Just to clarify
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>>7367823

why do you think you scared them off?

i mean there's a lot of reasons to ghost someone...

sometimes i ghost people by accident, but i have a drug problem and an s/o (i call him that cuz other labels are weird and don't fit and he struggles with labels anyway... 3 days ago we were friends but still doing everything we were gonna do anyway and today he was referring to us as a "couple"... it's all the same though so i don't really care what he wants to call it... been 12 years and he's planning a life with me in it) and a bunch of other shit going on in my life... so i might be talking to someone who's interested (i honestly don't get why people are desu, but i get a lot of people who are...) who i actually really like and then just disappear cuz my life tends to be hectic... or cuz i think i got in touch with someone and really i just got high and thought about it then forgot to

i guess when i think about it i do it intentionally too if someone can't be sponataneous cuz i can be really flakey aside from that + i can't make plans they make me anxious as hell... so i know immediately that i'm just gonna piss them off... or if someone tells me they love me really quick... or doesn't talk about anything other than how physically attracted to me they are...

that's about it...
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>>7368016
If I'm gonna have a daddy, he should at least have some elementary level grammar comprehension.
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>>7368087
They just said they were too paranoid a person to keep talking to me. Not sure if that's just rejection code for something else, or if he was being serious. Too bad though, he was one of the few people that could handle my autism
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I have a question about binding.

I know binding damages the breasts, and that you shouldn't bind breasts you actually plan to keep, but what if you just bind them once for 8 hours or so, then never bind them again?
Would that still cause an appreciable amount of damage?

t. mtf who's on the fence between skipping out on family christmas and showing up to it in boymode
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>>7368104

oh idk... they might've been being honest...

funny that you say that i've had autistic friends, i've been friends with a shut-in, roommates with an alcoholic and her bf who thought he was a prophet... my s/o has ptsd and i sometimes wonder if he might also be autistic... he was diagnosed with add so it might just be a lot of effects of abuse instead... but yeah...

sometimes being open minded sexually also translates into not caring about other shit like that and being able to handle a lot of other shit... for me it's a matter of... i don't care if i feel connected to someone or think i could have a good time with them pretty much...
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>>7368178
one day should be fine

if you have mini titlings you can get away with a big sweater
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>>7368185

+ my bad open-minded isn't the right word choice i meant not caring... though i am open minded cuz i'm up for a lot of fetishes and like indulging other people in theirs and shit like that... but sexual preference isn't a matter of open mindedness... my bad, used to other people calling me open minded for it even though that's dumb
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>>7368201
>>7368185
You sound like you have a more interesting time than me.
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>>7365113
>going to give an actual women's haircut to a hairdresser
>doesn't want to end up dykemode
m8
just read the hair section of the rassaku leak in the op
>>7367793
the majority of trans guys are straight, statistically
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>>7368236
*link, not leak
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>>7368033
Didn't really clarify which one you are.

>>7367988
Summed it up well.

>>7367926
>Do interesting things, be an interesting person, meet other interesting people
>Be sure to show no actual interest whatsoever (i.e be a "chaser")
>Hope that you happen to maybe me one of the people that account for less than one percent of the population randomly btw

Misconstrued.

Go to places/events that are LGBT friendly to increase your odds, by all means, just don't go into it like one of those desperate guys who "jus' gotta gotta gotta find X" no one responds well to that energy, man. It's like those crazy-eyed cock-hungry chicks.

Live life. Have fun. Be a cool/chill person.
Stop fixating on any one "type", bro. The narrower you set your sights the more desperate you get and the worse you'll do in love.
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>>7368178
Don't use an ACE bandage, you're unlikely to have a proper binder for a one-off.

Get a flattening sports bra, sister. Pair it with a loose dress shirt, and buy a slightly large sweater vest or an ugly xmas sweater. Value village will have some adequate options. Wear slacks and a tie. That should be boy mode enough.
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>>7368210

idk, i'm really used to my life... other people's interest me more when it comes to conversations... i just kinda end up meeting a lot of different kinds of people and plenty of them have bad issues... part of it is that i'm a magnet for it, the other part is if i see someone talking about suicide or if a drinking buddy is upset or whatever i feel like i gotta cheer them up or at least just listen to them so they can clear their head a bit... cuz someone needs to... but that's how i end up getting to know people

that shut in... my s/o and i would go to her house for free alcohol and to watch her and her gay bf fight with each other, but i'd like listen to her too and shit sometimes and she could have intelligent conversations... her bf on the other hand was just... i guess i felt the same way about him as i do about b movies... except i guess when it's a person that's not the best
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>>7368178

i can't always bind cuz sometimes my ribs hurt too much to bind or i'm having one of those days where i'm getting dizzy and anything that isn't baggy means it's touching too much... so i just wear my s/o's clothes baggy t-shirts with a hoodie or and overshirt or a big comfortable sweater and i'm good... if i can stand it i prefer to add a sports bra to that, but yeah... you don't necessarily have to bind to hide them depending on you and how you dress
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>>7368197
Ok, cool.

>if you have mini titlings you can get away with a big sweater
Yeah. I'm actually not fulltime yet, so lately I've been trying to make my boobs look not-super-obvious by having slightly bad posture and always wearing at least one sweatshirt, but tbqh I'm not sure how well that's even working now. I mean, at this point I don't even care too much if a random stranger notices a slight hint of my boob, but I was worried that if I show up to christmas with unbound breasts then a relative might notice and start to suspect something.

>>7368265
>Don't use an ACE bandage, you're unlikely to have a proper binder for a one-off.
Oh yeah, that's true.
A decent binder would probably cost more than would be worth spending on just one day.
And that sounds like a good idea for boymode attire.
If I do decide to go then I'll keep that in mind.
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>>7368306

if they hug you they're gonna notice you know... idk what your family is like with each other. but yeah...
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>>7368302
>i can't always bind cuz sometimes my ribs hurt too much to bind or i'm having one of those days where i'm getting dizzy and anything that isn't baggy means it's touching too much
Aww :c

Why does having non-baggy clothes mean it's touching too much?
Do more fitted clothes emphasize features you don't like having?

>>7368324
Oh yeah, I didn't think of that.
Maybe I should skip christmas after all then. :/
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>>7368306
if you're not ready to come out, don't go at all
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>>7368354

oh nah i get short of breath sometimes and lightheaded and if clothes aren't baggy they'll make me feel claustrophobic as a result... like they're further restricting my breathing and my skin can be really sensitive i have a lot of problems with my nerves... so that sometimes is why i can't do that either... that or like days i've been really sick or my spine feels fused worse than usual etc ... i have chronic health issues... but aside from my chest i'm not really bothered so yeah they'll hide that too on days i can't bind

otherwise though i'm not built really feminine... my shoulders are wider than my hips i don't have a lot of waist definition or ass or hips or thighs... or tits really...

i'm built like a kid i need to wear kids clothes and shit, i'd be a size 10 in boy's if that size wasn't when kid's clothes start getting too short for me to wear... so i wear a size 12 and they're a bit loose... and like regular or slimfit not like husky kids clothes (which have really big legs btw for any short transguys who have thighs)
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>>7368409

kids* boys' * my bad...

high on h + i smoked... fucked up with h again i had like 2 weeks where i was doing pretty good... i guess i technically didn't take it 3 days in a row, but i took codeine yesterday so that's still probably gonna fuck me
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>>7368409
>>7368424

+ you could always have a christmas with friends or something instead...
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>>7368592
>tfw no mommy
that type of relationship would probably work pretty well for me but i'm exclusively heterosexual and it really only works for straight girls or gay guys
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>>7368651

depends... i've had chicks buy me gifts and give me money and tell me they'd take care of me before... not lesbians either (lesbians hate me), but yeah it is usually guys who offer that kinda thing... it does happen with women too though
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>>7368651
I'm hoping I can find a nice girl into femdom who likes transguys.
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>>7368684
>>7368651

+ i think it's just that the kinda fuck up loser i am is appealing to women... so instead of it being this huge strike against me i get women who want to do shit for me instead + i tend to attract women who feel a need to prove themselves and don't want to be taken care of...

so women who are really forward and want to "help" me are into me... and i attract a lot of guys who can be similar... either that or it's just that they want to have sex...
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>>7367706

go to a gay club, find an aloof, butch dyke (probably hanging out with others) that's trying too hard to look like a guy. the tricky part is, they mostly act like dykes, not guys, so you have know how to talk to women. if you try to talk them like guy would to another guy, they'll get weirded out. be sure to humor any put-on machoism on their part, though.

>>7367856

>skinning beaver

oh boy, but i'm sure you are
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>>7368817
Chaser please go
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>>7368684
>>7368792
finding girls who want to 'help' or 'save' me is actually generally easy, but the problem is i was an exclusive dom sadist for a long time and now somehow i'm really into femdom and it conflicts with my edgy loner aesthetic
though i suppose under the same principle the girl who wants to save me now could be more of the caretaker-type domme
and a lot of straight or bi-leaning-straight girls seem to like trans guys for the novelty
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>>7368592
Well, that doesn't sound too bad, after all.
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>>7364217
Grackles are so sleek and shiny and beautifully stupid bastards hopping around, I fuckin love 'em.

>>7365468
Grandparents used to live on the bay, it was cool as fuck watching them nest on the mile markers.
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I like waxwings. They're so well blended, with flashes of vibrant colors.
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Chickadees all the way, motherfuckers.
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Anyone else like having long hair? I feel like being ftm the most obvious thing to do is to cut it short but I like my long hair. The worst part is people commenting on how you are still a girl cause you like long hair or something, insinuating that to be trans you have to belong to 100% of male stereotypes (and like cisguys never have long hair?)
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>>7370483
yeah i like my hair longer

i prefer long hair on everyone
i like waist length on females and shoulder length on males (at the longest)
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>>7370483
I feel fine with growing my hair, especially since I've begun T. You don't have to be a charicature .
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>>7368836

why don't you try fetish sites and shit? femdon isn't really my thing, but i've had chicks who were into it ask me out and shit... i'm like open to nearly everything so i'm cool with it if a chick is into that and wants to fuck around that way (my ex could be like that actually), but it's not something i seek out...

idk that it's a novelty thing or not but i do get straight and straight leaning bi chicks... that's who's interested... well and women who are in relationships, as fucked as it sounds i prefer being with women who just wanna cheat with me and have a fling... that shit's fun and not too serious

>>7368977

i like grackles, when i lived in the poconos i used to see them chilling in parking lots allthe time... they made gypsy a little nervous for some reason...

>>7370483

my hair is a bit past my shoulders, i prefer it long... i've gotten a lot of "cut your hair you look like a girl" and "you'd pass so well with a haircut" (my passing stays the same regardless of hair length) and sometimes people think i'm a transgirl... but that shit's whatever cuz i'm comfortable with it... and it's just not a source of dysphoria for me at all...

honestly social shit bothers me the least (chest and voice bother me the most... top surgery is a necessity more than anything else) so i don't give a fuck... and i'm alright with being somewhat feminine cuz i am... all it takes to be trans (medically) is to experience dysphoria...
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>>7370483
Any man who doesn't like long hair is lying. All men who can grow long hair usually do it, or try to see how it looks at least once.

Balding doesn't take away from masculinity, but trust me bald men are like small men. They have issues about it.

t. Balding cis guy trying to be masculine and not jealous ;_;
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>>7370707
Why don't you get on finastride
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>>7370707
My cousin rocks long hair and makes it look artistic and sophisticated. I wish I could do the same but I don't have the head shape for it.

Post pic of your balding head, dude.
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>>7370483
That person looks cute desu
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>>7370483
>>7370680

+ btw you're gonna have to develop thick skin on a certain level, cuz people are gonna say shit to you (even if you 100% pass, even cis guys with long hair will get shit for it or mistaken for women even when they're clearly not) for it... a lot of people see being a transguy as being someone who's extremely masculine, or have this warped view where transguys have an obligation to put on being more masculine than they are cuz they weren't born cis etc etc etc... that's gonna be some shit you deal with, and i get feeling a little uncomfortable cuz people really try to make you, but there's no reason to allow it... just be you, and learn to accept yourself and not be bothered by other people's input cuz people will always have opinions, and you're gonna hear some you won't like...

it's better to not seek out other peoples' approval when it comes to being yourself anyway... that shit's just miserable, and it's a lot easier to deal with other people making comments and shit than it is to be someone else and not hear anything...
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Morning, fellas!

Heading to the last day of my second-to-last week of classes for the quarter.

Fucking group projects. Not even sure one of my group members is going to show up. She bailed last week. If she is AWOL again I'll rattle her lines off by the seat of my pants.

Whee. Fun.
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>>7370756

good luck... what's the project on? you didn't have shit worked out so everyone has access to everyone's shit if someone couldn't make it? or back up when she didn't show up last week just in case?

i never really took school seriously, but if you're gonna you may as well prepare for worst case scenarios instead of just relying on other people to not fuck up your grades...

hope it works out for you though
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>>7370483
Metalhead ftm here, I also know another transguy with long hair. It can be masculine as fuck, but I'm aware not every person is able to pull it off. Sometimes it can even help you with passing, but usually cutting your hair is the best idea if you want to pass and avoid being mistaken for a girl. Keep in mind that not every short hairstyle will suit you, I for one would look awful in buzz cut, because my skull is uneven. Long hairs are awesome and you shouldn't cut your hair just because people say so, but be aware that one probably won't pass with them before T.
Assuming it's your photo and that you're pre-T/early on T - you should be fine, mate.
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>>7370745
>even cis guys with long hair will get shit for it
Not who you're replying to but I somehow doubt it. I live in a not so liberal area and know plenty of guys with long hair. They don't get shit for it either. If anything, they actually get compliments.
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>>7370822
It's a group speech assignment, with individuals handling related topics in the body of the speech. We didn't give her much responsibility because she's the biggest flake of the group so we should be fine.

Our topic was burial rites, she came back with some... soul summoning thing... after being asked to talk specifically about cremation. Kind of a ditz.
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>>7370867
I live in a not-so-liberal area too and it really varies. Some guys get shit for their long hair, some don't. Some cut their hair because they're tired of being mistaken for a girl from behind.
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>>7370867

you doubting it doesn't change that i've seen it happen... i have no reason to make shit up to make someone else feel better... not everyone is cool with cis guys having long hair, it's a love/hate thing in most cases...

what you see and experience doesn't define life for everyone else...

>>7370914

may as well try the soul summoning thing...

at least you didn't give her much responsibility...

my great uncle used to work in a cemetery and do cremations and shit... most i ever learned from speaking to him is that fat people are more impressive to watch burn cuz they go up quicker...
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>>7370715
>>7370715
Because I'd rather be a bald guy than a guy with some hair who takes hormones because he can't handle being bald.

I refuse to let mother nature puss whip me into submission.

>>7370726
Yeah. The Viking aesthetic and the fuzzy headed greeks are aesthetic goals for a reason. Masculinity and hair goes hand in hand.

I'd just rather not look like a homeless retard so I buzzcut. But here's what happens when I don't buzzcut for a while.
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I wouldn't care if I was bald as long as I had great facial hair. But being bald with no beard would bother me a lot. I don't know why.
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>>7371063
Because without a beard you will look like a shaved scrotum?
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>>7370483
I've been letting my hair grow out a bit for the past two years, but it's a pain in the ass to consistently pass with. If it gets too long, it looks too girly, and I don't care for it in general. But if I get a haircut, the clean style will fuck me up until it grows out and gets a bit shaggy. I've found that having a really neat and deliberately styled haircut brands you as a woman so quickly, regardless of length.

It's a shame, because neck-length hair (probably around the same in the pic posted) is really flattering to my face. While I'm seriously considering going back to super short hair again, I tend to look like a teenage boy at best, and a stereotypical hipster queer woman at worst. I'm hoping T will tone down some of my chubby babyface cheeks (I'm scrawny enough now, so it's not a fatty issue), and/or give me some stubble to give them some cover. But at that point, I suppose longer hair wouldn't be a problem.
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>be straight man
>some /ftm/ are more manly than I am
>feel bad
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>>7371517
You mean cis man, retard
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>>7371517

You know how people get super militant shortly after becoming atheist?

Same deal here.
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>>7371537
>cis
lol what the fuck is that some creature from star wars?
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>>7371563
yes
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>>7368373
Yeah, I guess you're right.

Holiday gatherings never felt like a huge, super important ordeal in my family, so I thought that missing out on them this year wouldn't really affect me, but I've already missed thanksgiving, and now I'm kinda surprised by how much I want to be able to have one last christmas before coming out.

>>7368409
Aww, sorry to hear about your health issues.

>otherwise though i'm not built really feminine... my shoulders are wider than my hips i don't have a lot of waist definition or ass or hips or thighs... or tits really...
Ayy, same. Only instead of having no tits, I have ones that are weirdly shaped and live in my armpits. :' )

>>7368444
That's true.
I have a friend that wanted to do something with me for thanksgiving, which never went through, but maybe she'd want to do something for christmas. I guess I could mention it to her.
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>>7370680
grackles are kinda assholes, they mob about in huge flocks and fight with each other a lot. I can't say I blame Gypsy.

Cool noises, though.
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>>7370483
>get semi-regular stubble
>start to grow my hair out again
yeah, if nothing else it's cheaper in terms of gettin' hair cuts. I haven't gotten too long yet but I might as well grow it out again before possible balding settles in.
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Disregard being a transman and everything it implies for a second.

What is your definition of being a man?
What is being a man to you?
What do you like about being a man that you can't do as a female?
What do/did you hate about being female?
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>>7371672

it's cool... is what it is, at least drugs help

i have enough to where i'm uncomfortable cuz well trans, but i've gotten away with just baggy clothes and too... no one even noticed when i started binding, it's just a personal comfort thing for me... but yeah...

you should, i get wanting a one last time with your family kinda thing... but holidays where you're not stressed out can be nicer, and so can just chilling with people who accept/know you as a person instead of people you gotta put a show on for...

that's how i tend to feel anyway...
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>>7372243
i just wanted my dysphoria to stop
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>>7371811

she's fine with crows and pigeons though even though they tend to be in large groups... so i think it's a bit strange, cuz it's seagulls and grackles specifically (and like birds of prey, hawks and shit terrify her) she likes crows and pigeons a lot though and song birds she purrs when she sees groups of them... and there's a female bluejay that visits here sometimes really early in the morning and she's cool with her... it actually perches right outside of my bedroom window (i have their playground set up there so they can get sunlight and talk to the outdoor birds) and when they fly loops around the room it flies a loop outside and lands back in the window when they do... it's cute as hell..

they had wren friends in the poconos too there were 2 wrens that were mates that lived in my garden (they had babies and shit there) and they'd try mimicking them and shit... it was cute, i unexpectedly ended up moving, but the wrens were actually starting to get close to my s/o and i and let us near them... and chipmunks too, one would actually sit on the chair i'd put the budgies' cage on when they'd go out in the garden and just chill with us... they liked throwing it food
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>>7372243
For me it's just physical things. I don't think there's a mental difference between men and women, or gendered colors or clothing, etc.
I just don't like having a female body, it doesn't suit me, it doesn't feel right, it doesn't look right. I have no use for the things the female body can do.
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>>7372243

i can't disregard being trans to answer those questions cuz it's literally just a matter of dysphoria for me... i define a man as a guy (cis or trans) just like a woman is a woman (cis or trans) idk... it's like being white or black or some shit there's no real definition aside from the obvious one...

being seen as a guy doesn't change much for me desu... the biggest difference i've noticed is when someone sees me as a guy i'll get criticized for being feminine, and when people see me as a chick i get criticized for being masculine... otherwise shit's the same for me...

i hate experiencing dysphoria, that's all being trans is, the only reason to transition is to attempt to be as comfortable as i possibly can in my body... it's not some social shit, it's not that i find the female form unattractive (i'm extremely attracted to women... and men... it's equal) and so on... i just legit experience dysphoria and want to not...
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>>7372243
>What is being a man to you?
big DICK big PICKUP TRUCK
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Are any of you manlets in North Dakota
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>>7372416
Geez, that's awesome. I wish my cats were that chill with the strays around here. Instead it's just as likely to get them fighting with each other, seeing another cat out the window.

Maybe it's just the huge-ass beak and claws on grackles? They don't have crow intelligence to make them much more than pseudo-predator scavenger birds, much like seagulls. If you're a tiny potential target, seeing the wheeling masses of a grackle or seagull flock would probably scare the shit out of me too.

But then I consider blue jays to also be assholes, so who knows?

That's awesome about her tiny wren friends, though.
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>>7372243
>What is your definition of being a man?
Physical parts
>What is being a man to you?
Same
>What do you like about being a man that you can't do as a female?
I do research in gender conservative societies, and when I start passing it will enable me to study all-male spheres. I already have some access as a white 'woman' because it's basically pseudo-male mode anywhere in the world, but when passing I can blend in completely. Until i get clocked and killed that is.
>What do/did you hate about being female?
Dysphoria. I have a lot of sympathy with female informants but I've never experienced their suffering. It makes me appreciate the first wave of feminism more though. Whatever woman I end up with she's free to live a life banned for 99 % of all women, simply because of angry bra-burners in the 70's.
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>>7372243
>disregard the thing that makes you want to be a man and tell me why you want to be a man
wut
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>>7372650
Put it through a cis filter. Then it makes sense.
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>>7372243

Alpha cis male transgirl here invading your space

Disregard being a transman and everything it implies for a second.

>What is your definition of being a man?
Honor duty responsibility and strength
>What is being a man to you?
Living up to those ideals and not complaining about having to
>What do you like about being a man that you can't do as a female?

(Take off my transgirl hat here) getting respect

>What do/did you hate about being female?
being vulnerable and a target for men
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>>7372693
You mean.. Why does a cis dude like being a man?

Because he's cis.

Why does a trans dude like being a man?

Because he's trans.
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>>7372720
This you?
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>>7372743
Idk, /r9k/ reeks of gyno-envy and they're all cis.
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>>7372750
Yah like two years ago ^_^

I'm doing community outreach, I prefer hanging out with ftms then mtfs irl
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>>7372642
>it will enable me to study all-male spheres

like, locker rooms?
what are you talking about?
are you and andropologist?
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>>7372757
Hi and welcome. Can you post a more recent pic?

>>7372775
More like all-male village meetings, hunting rituals, military routines, etc. Yes I'm an anthropologist.
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>>7372642
>physical parts
soooooo
i'm a man regardless of how much i squeeze my tits?
or
i'm a man until i lop it off?
or
every ftm isnt a man until they have a chunk of arm skin re-appropriated.
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>>7372788
get really drunk
more beer
personal bubble space
everything can be dinner
adrenaline
personal space
fire
break stuff
>dont think too hard
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>>7372788
O...ok
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>>7372775
You'll know it when you get there, men have uhm, like the good old boys club, they talk differently when women aren't around

Sometimes make deals about what's going to happen but to make it seem random and it if nowhere so it doesn't look like favoritism
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>>7372795
Senpai is drunk

>>7372790
There's a reason why people see transpeople as a odd third category. I respect fellow transpeople and all, but most people will never see us as we wish and even if we go stealth we can't function in our gender without certain defections.
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>>7372800
LONDON
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>>7372811
.. like something is cryptic or encoded,
boys think about killing stuff, drinking, personal space, explosions

having been on the other side, every generalization cis girls make about how men think is 100% true b/c nothing is ever held back.

boys dont cuddle. and they wont cuddle manly dykes bordering on ftm territorry.. even less so for an actual ftm.
women can be bros bro

o, btw, im a girl wiht a dick
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>>7372818
C a l i
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>>7372826
Good for you. As an anthropologist I disagree. Also >>7372809 is correct. It is a completely different discourse used when it's men-only, and that is valuable for a researcher.
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>>7372836
You look cuddly
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>>7372842
.....

ok anon
ok
sure

'research'
>>7372836
stop teasing the manlets
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>>7372851
You could put your head on my lap if you're tired from all that hard work you did all day, I wouldn't mind

>>7372853
Stop being so mean to these poor boys
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>>7372800
Good heavens.
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>>7372880
>"good heavens" faye
good heavens
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>>7372914
Valq you're gay I'm trying to land a boyfriend here shoo
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>>7372258
Ah, well it's good that you're managing it.

And yeah, I guess you're right.
tbqh most of why I wanted to go was just to show my family that I care enough about them to spend time with them, and so I don't feel like I'm blowing them off.
But in terms of actual festivities, I won't be missing out much. We would just have dinner and talk and watch tv, and I would spend most of the time wishing I could think of a conversation topic that my older relatives and I would both find interesting.
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>>7372958
>>7372927
I for one welcome any camwhoring you lot want to share today. Get your tits out for the lads!
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>>7372958
Oh honey.... no
>>7372976
As long as I can be artsy and tasteful, I'm not a sloot like some other girl in this thread
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>>7368592

Sold. Tell me how I can be your qt daddy's boy
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hi are we here now
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>>7373033
If you got pics, love, sure. Until the rest of the regulars get back probably.
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do ftms hugg too
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>Tfw no older brother to transition with

Worst feel
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Why are all the mtfg trips posting here all of a sudden?
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>>7373048
>>7373033
the fee to post here is one(1) titty pic
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>>7373053
Raid. But hey, they're posting tits.
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>>7373055
I already posted one
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>>7373055
>tfw dfc

I'll show myself out (._. )
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>>7373053
I told them there were boyfriends here
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>tfw no stacy mtfgf
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>>7373084
>>7373001
who's that?
>tfw super perky tranny c-cups that wont stop growing
>arching my back makes them point out all goofyWOOO
>>7373084
YOU DONT EVEN MAKE MILK ANYMORE
YOU CANT BE A MOMMY
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>>7373055
But I just wanted a qt ftmbf ;_;
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>>7367706
>implying there's any distinguishable difference in trying to get a ftm bf rather than a cis bf
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>>7373116
the height and vag factor i guess
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>>7364217
Hey ladies, i have the strongest mangina here just thought you should kno
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>>7373069
I'll take that. Or butt, if you've got a nice butt.

>>7373110
I'm gonna need to see photographic proof of these Cs, darling.

>>7373001
You can show your assets however you want, I'm enjoying it greatly.
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>>7373147
That word makes me cringe


How long were you on T when your acne started slowing down? I'm 6 months and it's out full force. I even have bacne.
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>>7372554

yeah, it's cute as hell... gypsy is fine with other birds as long as they're not getting more attention from my s/o and i than she is pretty much... like the budgies being only semi-tame and closer to each other than they are to her or us works well cuz she has bird friends without them affecting her bond with us, and they don't get in the way of her getting the amount of attention she needs/wants...

i'm not sure though she does seem to know instinctively which birds might be dangerous, though bluejays are assholes yeah so i'm not sure why that one is ok to her...

the wrens were cute though, we named them kylo wren and miss wren (pic is kylo) it sucked cuz we missed their babies hatching when we had to move...

>>7372942

don't have a choice really, and idk... i manage it with a lot of recreational drugs, but to be fair that's nothing new... i've been taking drugs for a long time, longer than i've been sick honestly

i get that, if your family is anything like mine you could probably just show up a little late once everyone is drunk and then they might not notice anything if it's that important to you...

i avoid big family things personally, always have, there's people in my family i haven't seen since i was 13 cuz i found that kinda shit tedious...so i can't really relate + most of my family knows i'm trans and the only one who has an issue with it is my father so that's whatever... i just don't care for being around most of them

my christmas is probably just gonna be me, my s/o, my little bro and his sis, but we all live together right now so i see them all the time anyway... i just feel like spending a christmas where i don't gotta leave the house or go out of my way to do shit... my s/o and i spent too many years of christmas being a fucking nightmare (seriously i've got some crazy christmas stories) so i just want something chill with the people i'm closest to

i'll miss seeing my niece, but that's it... i could use a break from everyone else
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>>7373073

definitely not my type...
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>>7373150
Webmshare.com/jQqn6

There's an angry sjw manlet mod lurking here...
I didn't get b& on mtfg for the same pic.
Cock envy I guess
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>>7373192
I could be your type

I'm also an Arabic linguist
Deployed with join special forces
Can shoot a man dead at 300 yards with iron sights
Know everything about computers and football
Can beat you in video games

Unless you mean 5'11 amazon boys like me aren't you're type
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>>7373248
Every time you post tits, I get bra envy
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>>7373248
>Can shoot a man dead at 300 yards with iron sights
pls love me
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What undies do you wear? This sounds perverted but I'm curious. Asking bc I bought boxers but they keep bunching up under my jeans.
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>>7373248

nah, "no drugs" kills it for me... everything else doesn't matter, also the amount of drugs i do would instantly make me not your type... shit i'm high on 2 things right now
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>>7373353
Panties, even as a guy
>>7373355
Oh yah you have to do as much or as little drugs as your partner or it's never work
>>7373314
We can ride out the coming trump pocalypse in a little cabin on the west coast
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>>7373353
Boxer briefs.
They hug your legs & are comfier for even cis boys
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>>7373353
Boxer briefs.
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>>7373390
Panties are better
Prove me wrong
That's right you can't
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>>7373377

exactly... for a friend it's whatever, but a relationship? nah... we're just not each other's type... i'm sure you'd think i was fucking awful lol and honestly i think experimenting with drugs and getting high during sex is a good time, and that's something all parties need to be involved in...
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>>7373353
Another vote for boxer briefs. I've never worn regular boxers but they don't look as comfy.
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>>7373353

i don't usually wear underwear if i'm wearing pants... if i'm not wearing pants then i'll put boxers on... and that's true indoors and outdoors... i find them as comfortable as anything else under pants... but yeah...
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>>7373421
Oh that's a little different

Molly is uhm

I wouldn't mind that, but only drugs with a side effect like that in low doses
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>>7373172
>if your family is anything like mine you could probably just show up a little late once everyone is drunk and then they might not notice anything if it's that important to you...
That wouldn't work for me because most of my family either doesn't drink or only drinks a little, and there's almost never alcohol at our christmases.
That's ok though. It's not super important to me that I go; it's just that it would be nice if I could.
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>>7373420
Panties are oodles better
I wear them daily.... SO FUCKIBG COMFY
I'm not a boy, tho.
Those are really fucking cute.
Source?
The gents wanted to know. Packers n such.
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>>7373353
99% commando

doesn't make me considerably warmer, doesn't serve any particular function unless my trousers fall down, why bother most of the time
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>>7373440
>i don't usually wear underwear if i'm wearing pants...
wtf
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>>7373199
Wouldn't have thought I'd be into that but that's hot.
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>>7373561
Faggot.
Das gay af
I'm just an alpha trannygirl boy like faye
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>>7373476

never tried molly actually, best drug i've ever fucked on was pcp desu... i did that shit for a while years ago... i actually was physically addicted to it, went through withdrawal and shit when i stopped... i did it almost every day for ... idk... end of august 'til around easter... but idk what the fuck month easter fell in that year

but i haven't touched it in 8 years...

i have a real fucking problem with opiates though and i have on/off for half my life... and right now i'm the worst i've ever been with them... just binging since october... been through withdrawal a couple times... stuck to my 3 day rule once... and now i'm on day 5 of h, codeine, percs (h 4 of the days, percs on 2 codeine on 2 or 3 i can't remember) + weed but that's nearly always a given for me... and muscle relaxers on one of those days... and just yeah... someone who isn't into drugs would be crazy to get too involved...

the other shit is something i'd be cool having a friend with benefits for... but yeah... i'm like the kinda person a chick can enjoy a month with, but past that... nah...

+ i also don't believe in monogamy and i've been with my s/o for 12 years so... yeah... i'm not bf material, i'm fun to cheat with though
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>>7373543

sometimes i don't feel like wearing pants in the house if it's hot and shit or i feel like everything is touching me too much so i'll put on boxers... but i don't like layers so i go commando when i'm wearing pants...
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>>7373600
I don't care, seems I'm just thirsty as hell tonight.
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>>7373603

i fucking hate that filter...
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>>7373624

+ and eh not always just in the house i've gone out to smoke cigarettes in boxers before cuz i don't really give a shit...
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youngest transitioned trans boy poppin in, started at 14.

what time did you all figure out you weren't just butch girls?
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I'm starting to get jealous of my bf. We fucked two days ago, and I guess I've been having penis envy since then. I-Is this common or am I being a little bitch about nothing...?

>>7364217
Chicken is tasty. My boyfriend also hunted some Quail, thats pretty darn good, too.
I wouldn't mind raising them for eggs and food, I've always wanted to be a rancher when I was little.


>>7373353
Jockstraps or nothing at all. Wearing underwear just ends up as unnecessary laundry.
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I just read that depression is a risk factor for anesthesia awareness. As if I'm not terrified enough of general anesthesia.
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>>7373353
Briefs.
Because I'm old... and hate material riding up my ass.

Bikini briefs if I feel Sluttier.
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>>7373672

i wish they could just do top surgery with local anesthesia... i'd rather see what's going on and be awake and just not feel it... like i'd be cool with that, way moreso than not being aware while it was happening...
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>>7373353
I know my room's a shit show, but I wear boxer briefs from h&m. they're loose around the junk but tight around the legs so it's really nicely fitting
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>>7373353
Boxer briefs. Changing over to them was such ass freedom. Whenever I lapse doing laundry and have to revert to girl underpants it drives me crazy all day.
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>>7373727
From the videos I've seen, DI top surgery involves lots of liposuction of the breast area and it looks rather violent. Revisions and some gyno surgery is done under local with sedation.
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Liposuction freaks me out, lol. I used to watch plastic surgery stuff on the discovery channel all the time and not bat an eye, but liposuction is always viscerally upsetting.
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>>7373753

yeah i watch surgery videos often... i get the general idea of how that shit would go down... that's fine, i'd be good just a little sedated and it being painless as long as it went well...

+ i don't even like to take sleeping pills...
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>>7373760

liposuction only bothers me when it's in the neck/jaw area... that shit fucks with my head... other than that it's fine...
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https://unsee.
cc/girometa/

ok can I post here
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>>7373073
wait do you only like guys with a pussy

do i have to work if this works out
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>>7364217

What do you guys think of Luke Hudson?
http://www.jockpussy.com/about
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>>7373660
I never thought I was a butch girl. I just never liked being a girl, I just wasn't sure how normal it was to dislike your identity
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>>7373660

i knew for as long as i can remember, i just didn't know how to express it or that there were words for it 'til i was in my late teens... and then i just wanted repress it... abusive catholic family
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I'm getting so fat. Testosterone is turning me into a chub.
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When? That's hard to peg down... I first experienced dys at 10 when the titties started. At 12 the blood started and I felt like my life was over, no longer free to dress like a boy... everyone would see if wasn't.

This was over 20 years ago. No Internet. No awareness of any of this stuff.

Tried to articulate it 16 years ago... so 19 or 20... had no idea there were options.

Started transition at 22 or 23 ish?
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>>7373660
Figured it out around 18, decided to say fuck that until I was 22. I'm 24 now and I pass completely, so it didn't fuck me over too much, but I still regret putting myself through those extra years of torment.
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>>7373991
Exact same as me, except I'm you at 22. Hoping I pass well in 2 years as well.
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>>7374042
Good luck senpai. As long as your skeleton isn't overly feminine you'll be alright.
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>>7374050
It's not too bad, my hips are fairly narrow for girl-standards
I'm just mostly hoping T redistributes the fat on my thighs and face nicely.
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>>7373660
i was in the 7th grade so maybe 12 or 13

i don't plan on transitioning though, i would rather die than have no dick so i'll probably commit sodoku within the next few years,,
turning 20 in a few weeks btw
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>>7374096
>I would rather die than have no dick
You have no dick already, retard. Might as well like the rest of your body at least.
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>>7373353
boxer briefs. BVDs look dumb and boxers just feel like an extra layer of shorts.

...do miss the breathability of panties a lil though ngl.
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>>7371563
it's the correct term for 'man who is not ftm'
you can't really just say straight, i'm a straight man who is ftm
>>7373073
i-i
i want someone exactly like this but cis
i'm terrified of having an actual dicc in me even if it's feminine
help
>>7373660
i came out at 13 but realized at 12 or so
i transitioned at 15, sort of -- that's when i socially transitioned and started blockers, but my social transition semi-failed because of my inconsistent passability (really good for pre-t because my face and voice never feminized, but still inconsistent)
i'm 5 months on t now (started at 17 almost 18, but again for all intents and purposes it was 15) and i'll probably go stealth as soon as i can
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>>7374096
>I don't plan on transitioning though
fucking what
Just transition and feel less dysphoric about the rest of your body instead of destroying yourself, jesus
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>>7374452
Wear briefs then
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>>7364217
>Badass birds
What about aesthetic birds?
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>>7374452
>>7374875
I don't know what you boys problem with panties is, it's literally the best designed underwear with the best material, the only reason not to wear them is your dick slipping out because it's too big (which I don't even deal with anymore because estrogen destroyed mine >.>)
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been on T for a year now but that's not as important as pouter pigeons.
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>>7374940
Enhances dysphoria, for me.
I mean, it's the kind of ting you'd expect to see in a tranny thread.
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>>7374940
Panties are fine but wearing mens underwear makes me feel more masculine.
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>>7373510

oh people in my family vary between drinks a little and gets shitfaced or like will go off and smoke weed... and alcohol is a part of every holiday...

it seemed like it might've been a little important, but hopefully spending it with friends is just as good
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>tfw you get catcalled more after transition than before

I'm beard-level-post-op pass. Maybe this being an ""issue"" that predominantly effects women is just a meme. Or people suddenly are into beareded ladies, which I honestly doubt.
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>>7367793
I think men are physically more attractive, but I'd never let one fuck me. I'd rather top a woman, even though breasts are repulsing. I know that I do project my dysphoria on partners, though. The further I get into transition, the more open I get towards relationships in general, though the last few had been with women and I'm currently pursuing another woman.
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>>7367796
Yes, you are supposed to initiate it because you are male now.
You will also be expected to make the first step in a lot of places, social interactions, and especially in dating. GL. Read that as Green Lantern or Good Luck, I don't give a fuck.
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>>7367856
Honestly, I would gain a ton of privileges and preverential treatment at uni or in social circles if I ever admitted to being trans, but I started this shit stealth, and I will end my life stealth one day. It's my top priority in this way to just be regarded as a normal man by other people. If they don't know you're trans, it's never a topic and you can live more peacefully and normally. Not saying it's like that for everyone, but a ton of people don't go stealth out of fear, but moreso out of personal comfort and dysphoria itself.
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>>7370483
Personally I hate it and it makes me incredibly dysphoric. I dislike it on either gender, though, and long hair somehow came to symbolize some childhood struggles with my mom, who'd do the classic "throw all pants out, leave only skirts" "hold child down, apply make-up, only let child leave caked in make-up" homemade-conversion-therapy routine. Probably damaged me in some regards.
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>>7375522

Catcalled by men or women?
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>>7373660
13. I was one of those "Wanted a male name in kindergarden" early bloomers. Then came my feminist best friend with her mom's "men are inferior, women are superior" rhetoric that I managed to wash out of my head at around 13. I actually thought maleness was shameful before, which I do hate her for a little bit now.
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>>7375600
Both. Previous post was about men, though, because with women, yeah I wouldn't wonder why straight women catcalled me when/since I pass. Not implying I was attractive, just that it doesn't seem as odd.
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>>7373918
Dude, food is turning you fat
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>>7374452
>...do miss the breathability of panties a lil though ngl

Fruit of the Loom has pretty things material for some of their men's bikini briefs, nearly panty thin, has a little cock pocket tho.
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>>7373073
>Trans lesbian looking for pussy
I guess no luck in cis Les gen, eh faggot?
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>>7373660
Well, I was convinced that I WAS a boy since I could talk, but when I stopped being a retarded little kid and knew I was female, I felt wrong about 11.
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>>7373353
I wear hanes womens panties in "boyfriend" cute. They look like mens undies without the dick slot in them, it makes me sad there's all that space in mens underwear and tfwnodick

Womens panties are softer anyway desu
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>>7373073
>>7373248
What region do you live in? You seem like a really cool lady.
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>>7372243
SINGING MY DICK IS BIG
MY DICK IS VERY BIG AT PEOPLE THAT PASS BY
FUCKING MY COUSIN AS I HOLD MY SHOTGUN, FIRING BLANK ROUNDS IN THE AIR (killing a few mexicans trying to jump the wall)
WROOMING ON MY TRUCK AND HONKING AT ANY FUCKABLE SELF MOVING HOLE , "GO BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND SUCK MY MASSIVE DICK, WOMAN", AS I DRIVE BY
GETTIN HOME FROM WORK AND CHOPPING WOOD CHUNKS WITH MY DICK AS MY WIFE ROASTS AN ENTIRE BOAR FOR ME, GOTTA GET DEM PROTEINS FOR MAN MUSCLES (TM)
BEING AN UNRELENTING BEATING MACHINE THAT SMASHES MY SON'S FACE AGAINST MY PICKUP TRUCK FOR LIKING LADY GAGA
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>>7373353
I have no dick but all pants bulge in my crotch area like phantom dick was protruding
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>>7375573
>throw all pants out, leave only skirts" "hold child down, apply make-up, only let child leave caked in make-up" homemade-conversion-therapy
Damn, that's pretty rough. My parents made me wear dresses and skirts to church a lot as a kid, but I think I've worn makeup other than lip gloss once in my life. They did make me have long hair even though I wanted it short, even all through my teens, but I wasn't that traumatized by it.
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>>7376414
I used to hang around in cis les gen. Transbians are always up their asses for dating/sex/discussion, hence why they split it between cis lesbian gen and trans lesbian gen.
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>>7375573

i would get the shit beaten out of me and forced to wear dresses and get rid of masculine habits, but never forced to wear make up... and not only just for dresses and shit either any clothes i didn't feel comfortable in that i fought about i'd get hit 'til they were on...

i used to let my older bro's friend's ex put make up on me though... she was really cute and she'd spend hours talking at me while putting make up on me and styling my hair and i'd just sit there and think shit like "damn her boobs are right up against my head" and shit... like i just let her do whatever cuz i had a crush on her and she'd spend more time with me than her bf that way... same shit with another one of my older bro's chick friends who liked that kinda shit too
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>>7377005
>>7375573

+ but only cuz they were cute... otherwise i didn't fuck around with make up or let people put it on me as a kid... but if a cute chick was gonna spend hours fussing over me i wasn't about to bitch over the circumstances
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Earlier this week I came across a male name on one of the files I was boxing up from a gynae clinic. Now I can't stop thinking about it.
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>>7377370
Maybe get a hobby
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>>7377378
This.
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>>7377370

came across something better than that today, free h...

it was like my s/o got a bday gift from the universe, we (me, him, and his sis) were about to buy a bunch to start the celebration (actually technically we started earlier than that with percs and xanax during breakfast/coffee) and then we found 5 bags right by the atm we were at... fucking crazy lucky... pretty decent shit too

we bought a little anyway, but yeah... he was sad about turning 30 but this is cheering him up
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>>7377624
Tell him congratulations from anon :)
Where/how did you find free honey?
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>>7377639
*tell him congrat for the birthday thing, not the free h thing.
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>>7377639

i'll tell him

it was just by an atm on the ground someone bought it then dropped it almost immediately it looked like... never seen anyone call h honey... just perfectly sealed, full, tiny envelopes... i get better shit free
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>>7377885

i get better shit, but eh it was free* my bad...
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>>7377885
You take drugs you find on the ground? If you suddenly stop posting one day, we'll know where you've gone.
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>>7378018
>If you suddenly stop posting one day, we'll know where you've gone.
>where
Where did he go, anon?
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>>7378024
To a better place
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>finally tell crush i like him after he's harassed me about it for days
>he ends up saying how he doesnt like dudes but if hed date one im at the top of the list
>dont think he knows im trans but am wondering if i told him if thatd change anything

Where's the Draino at?
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>>7378112
>implying
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>>7378114
>dont think he knows im trans but am wondering if i told him if thatd change anything
Don't
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>>7378134
I know it's not a smart decision but god am I tempted.
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>>7378146
Iktf. A good advice for life in general:
Johnson is a moron. Don't listen to him.
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>>7378159
But he wants it so bad, anon. SO bad.
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>>7378018

when i've found drugs, and they're packed fine and look legit (these were wrapped/sealed individual bags) i do... very rare to get that lucky though

i'm taking street drugs regardless without knowing exactly what's in them + my s/o's sister volunteered to give it a try first + it just tasted like h + we asked our dealer if he recognized the bags (funny enough they had a skull on them and were labeled "poison" i don't have one on me and i'm out or i'd show you... later if i remember) and he said he knows a couple people who have had them before...

and aside from all that i've lost bags of weed and shit before, if someone picked it up and smoked it they'd just be getting weed... they'd be fine

but yeah i suppose if i disappeared for a long time assuming drugs killed me wouldn't be unreasonable...
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hi im the mtfg ambassador
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>>7378184
Post tiddies for mr Johnson

>>7378176
And kiddies lick lead paint. Don't let them.
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>>7378198
i posted them here yesterday daddy
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>>7378211
Are you the brunette or the blonde?
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>>7378211
Good girl
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>>7378183
>>7378018

+ and it straight up just was h so if i didn't take it i would've just missed out on perfectly good drugs... weaker than what i usually take, but not too bad... but 2 bags of the shit i found is equal to 1 of the usual strength wise sorta like the little red bags i get sometimes that make me think of. chinese new year...

but yeah... taking drugs you just find can be a great idea + like i said it was like my s/o got a birthday gift from the universe so we all had to do it...
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Do you think of being transgender as a mental or biological disorder? I view it as the latter but I'm curious.
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>>7378318
Aren't mental disorders technically caused by biology
Brain chemicals
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>>7378344
This
Except those caused by lizard people and aliens.
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>>7378344
Some are and some are caused by trauma. I think research has ruled both of those out as causing gender dysphoria.
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>>7371672
If you went, would you stay till the new year? Come out then, maybe?

Do you like your family? Will they be kind to you, even now that you've physically changed?

I like to go to family events even if it is tense, because you never know when they'll die off. I know that's pretty dark but it's my experience. So GO and be a part of the family on any way you can. It'll be worth it to see them again as long as they're essentially good people who care about you. You should know the general climate around you and also around trans issues, so this is ultimately up to you.

You seem to care about them though.
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>>7373353
I wear panties sometimes, because they're just comfortable. Not usually out, just to sleep.

I wear boxer briefs under jeans. Leggings with dress socks under jeans when it's cold.
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>>7373660
It's a bit complex.

I started wearing men's clothes (far too big for me) in middle school. I didn't even buy them, I just stole them from my father and older cousin. People thought I was a boy: I looked and acted like one, even though I had long hair.

In high school I thought I was a butch woman. I started buying men's clothes and expressing my masculinity. I liked being a dyke, because it was a label under which I could express my masculinity. I cut my hair. I got involved in the GSA. I met a trans guy. He was fat and wore a binder everywhere.

In college I began to like people calling me "he," and decided not to correct people. Of course, some were dicks about it when they were confused. But I decided to roll with it, and I like it.

I'm naturally very masculine, so I've never had to medically change myself to get the desired effect. So in that sense, I'm sort of lucky. I'm questioning now whether I want to medically transition, and I don't know. I think a beard might be nice.
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>>7370483
my hair's long and I feel like a majestic viking manlet. (I'm just a normal manlet with long hair tho)

every so often when it gets tedious or I realize I only do like 3 things with it I consider chopping it off, but as soon as that passes I'm back in love with it
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>>7378183
brooklyn this is an intervention. please get clean my goodness. i'm concerned.
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>>7378596
This photo sums up how I feel...
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>>7378655
kek. baby needs a bulk.
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>>7378614
>my goodness
You sound like a soccer mom desu
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>>7378721
thanks senpai
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>>7378318
Mental. It bothers me when people say they're "supposed" to be their identified gender. No, in most cases (not all, I know) you're supposed to be your assigned gender, that's the one that matches your chromosomes, but something went wrong in your brain. Yeah, the easiest way to fix it right now is by changing the body, but in the far off future when/if we understand the brain and how to change it, that would be the ideal treatment method.
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>>7378752
>but something went wrong in your brain. Yeah, the easiest way to fix it right now is by changing the body, but in the far off future when/if we understand the brain and how to change it, that would be the ideal treatment method.
So why not assume it's chemical rather than crazy?
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>>7378769
Maybe I'm interpreting the question wrong. I thought they were asking whether it's a problem with the body or the brain.
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>>7378794
Those are not opposites of each other, anon. One is part of the other.
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>>7378318
Little of column a, column b? I tend to think of it just generally as an embarrassing medical condition for the most part. I get that some people like to be loud and proud about this shit, but usually I'd just as soon forget it's a thing at all.
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>>7378752
But my "brain" is much more apart of who I am. Cut up my body till I'm only a functioning brain in a jar and I'd tell you I'm still me but I don't know how far you could go with my brain's chemistry and get the same answer.
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>>7378899
>I'm only a functioning brain in a jar

This is a scifi myth that will probably never happen because the brain is so dependent on the rest of the body for it to function properly.
For example, gut bacteria can affect your moods.
Blood supply, spinal cord, phantom limbs...
You can't just separate your brain from your body and still have it be your brain. It would be something else.
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>>7378919
okay fine but in the previous realm of if I could change your body to be identical to a cis males or change your brain to think you are a cis female I think the latter would feel more disconnected from how I perceive myself. That's just how I feel though.
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>>7379113
Is that a Jojo?
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>>7379113
why does he look so fucking awkward?
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>>7379146
Because he's a /fit/izen
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>>7379129
is ZYYYYYYYYYYYYZZZZZZZZZZZZ BRAH U SRS
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>>7378318

Based on the brain scan shit, it sounds neurological or something. But I'm not really smart enough to know the difference.
All I know is it's a disorder, it's a case of "healthy body, unhealthy mind/brain," and that for some gay reason the unhealthy bit isn't treatable.
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>>7378318
I think there's probably biological factors that cause the mental reaction, much like most mental disorders. I'm curious as to whether any unrelated biological peculiarities factor in though. I was diagnosed with PCOS, and the idea that my body was irregularly churning out sex hormones always seemed eerily coincidental.
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>>7378183

+ i remembered to take a pic of the bag... shit was kinda funny

>>7378614

are you kidding or serious? i can't tell... if you really are concerned, i'm sorry, but you really shouldn't be... there's nothing worth your concern here, not when it comes to me you know?

i've got no reason to clean up honestly... what am i cleaning up for? i don't have some bright future ahead of me or shit to look forward to really... i'm a fuck up loser who's well past the point where that's gonna change and on top of that i'm sick and it's not like taking care of myself is gonna make that shit better... tried to for a while when i first got sick, that did fuckall, and i've had a doctor tell me that where i'm at with this now (constant symptoms and shit) is the best i can hope to stay at and it can get way worse, including being completely bedbound and needing to be taken care of (i told my s/o to kill me if i get there and can't on my own), i've been through so much bad shit/circumstances including shit that's gotten in the way of me being able to transition and i have to hope that my health issues don't prevent it completely... and sure top surgery is the most important to me and what i'm most likely to be able to do, but it's highly likely t isn't gonna be a reality and even if it was i'm actually at an age where that's more just highly likely shit results... so i'm basically looking at always being uncomfortable in my body in multiple ways and on all different levels...

i'm not likely to live long anyway... i could just keep going about all the reasons it doesn't matter

i'm just trying to have a good time while i can... and on that note, just took some coke... first time in 8 years... gonna see if i still hate it or not, so far it's a lot more mellow than i remember it being... i did 2 tiny lines though
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>>7379367
>>7378614

+ not to be a downer or anything... sorry if i came off like that, i'm not upset or anything currently... i'm just being real with you, and i don't want you to worry... i appreciate you caring though
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>>7378503
>If you went, would you stay till the new year? Come out then, maybe?
I think if I did go then I'd only be there for a day or two at most.

>Do you like your family? Will they be kind to you, even now that you've physically changed?
Well fwiw, I feel like most of my family will be ambivalent towards my being trans when they find out about it.
There's only a couple people who are likely to be at christmas dinner whom I really really want to avoid being outed to, but if I was outed to one of them then it would probably ruin the rest of the night.

>because you never know when they'll die off.
Yeah. :/
As horrible as it sounds, I was actually kind of hoping that my grandfather will die before he finds out I'm trans, because he's conservative and set in his ways and I honestly can't see him ever accepting me.
That said, it's not like I'm wishing for his death. I don't think he's a bad person overall.
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>>7378389

Mental illness as a result of trauma is still caused by chemical changes though. It's just a matter of whether you were born with that chemistry, or the switch was flipped later.
Eg, there's evidence that the link between childhood abuse and adulthood depression is not necessarily because of the obvious issues with how it makes a person think and feel, but because of the chemical effect of having their fight/flight response triggered so intensely and frequently from a young age. So one can theoretically grow up to become psychologically healthy despite their abuse, but still suffer depression because of how they developed on a chemical level. Similar to how someone who never suffered any abuse can be psychologically healthy but develop depression because their brain's a dickhead.
It's interesting how it's the same basic situation, but when it occurs in someone who's has a hard life, the instinct is to think "well of course you have issues, who wouldn't." Where mental illness in a trauma victim is almost dismissed as normal, when it's really just as treatable as anyone else's mental illness (which is to say it's anything from "take this pill" to "LOL UR FUKD")

But yeah I wouldn't say gender dysphoria specifically can be developed as a result of trauma.
Although, I have heard of detransitioners who were survivors of childhood sexual abuse claiming to have experienced severe dysphoria, down to phantom dongs, so who knows. Are they suffering a different disorder that's superficially similar to dysphoria, or are they experiencing genuine dysphoria that simply didn't last because it was a temporary response rather than an in-born one?
Is it theoretically possible for someone to develop dysphoria as a direct result of trauma, but happily lived their entire life as the opposite sex like a typical trans man with no further issues? Or will they always detransition eventually?

Shit's so complicated.
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>>7379375

+ i'm in a bar now, had a shot of tequilla, that's all i'm drinking for the night just had to have a celebratory shot... today's been good though, lots of drugs and some of them were free...

i'm good, promise...
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>>7378752
I feel like most trans people would still go with changing the body, though. There's a handful, usually the ones that seek conversion therapy, that would like their brain to be reset, but most would rather have the body that matches the brain, not the brain that matches the body.
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Any grills ever check out your junk? I've been noticing that since I look like my age. My jeans make me look like I have a hard on/boner sometimes. I don't pack.
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>>7380003

I think it depends a lot on how old someone is. The longer you go feeling like you should be the opposite sex, the more it becomes a part of your identity. But if I could have just taken a pill as a kid to keep me on the straight an narrow, fuck yeah, gimme gimme.

But at the end of the day, the treatment that most effectively reduces dysphoria will be the preferable one. And when you have a choice between a brain treatment and a body treatment, it becomes "do I want a healthy mind and body at the cost of changing my identity, or do I want a healthy mind and in-tact identity at the cost of an intersex body?" And there's a lot of factors in that decision.

But honestly, whether it's because of some comparative ease in terms of the science, or because of political pressure impacting research and funding, I think the future will simply offer much smoother transition rather than some sort of cisification.
While things like lab-grown or transplanted sexual organs are way in their infancies at the moment, I think they'll probably be more or less perfected long before anyone's put the leg work into a non-transition treatment. That'll be after all of us are long dead, but I just don't see any kind of conversion research ever being able to overtake transition research.

I think in the future, things will reach a point where transition just isn't that big a deal anymore, at least medically speaking, to where the concept of cisification just seems pointless.

And I think 100% seamless transition would be the ultimate ideal, because they you get healthy mind, body AND identity. So why not stay on target?
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>>7380455
>intersex body
christ not this shit again
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I hate straight boys and that I like one.
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Hey, relatively new ftm here (new to LGBT and being ftm, not new to 4chan in general).
Just thought I'd say hi and ask how you guys are doing today/tonight?
Also I'm working on getting hormones, and binding any advice re: those? (I need to get my parents who I live with on side first)

also forgot to say my favorite bird is/was Alex the African grey parrot
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>>7380787

as far as binders go gcb2 has been my favourite... underworks is alright, but they run a little big, like the xs is way too big on me, but depending on your build/size that might be a non-issue for you (i'm 5' and weigh about 100 lbs, don't have much going on chest wise... don't really have thighs or hips or an ass and shit either... so i'm lkid size/built like a kid)

alex was cool, but i'd never want to actually deal with an african grey... they need too much + they're just too big... my green cheek is the biggest bird i'd ever want to take care of... she's perfect though (pic is her + mmy budgies)

i had a really great day so far... it's my s/o so party binge all day with him and his sis... started the morning with xanax, coffee, and percs... did a bunch of h throughout the day while we were out, came home did some coke, went out to a bar had a shot of tequila and played pool then did more h in the bsck of the bar... and now i'm out smoking weed with them + a friend gonna get more weed... been high for 14 hours straight
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>>7381006
yeah I have friends who bind and they all say gcb2 is the best. That said I'm a DD cup and on the heavy side, so I'd ideally need a bigger binder.
And yeah parrots are super higher maintenance, I heard, especially bigger ones. I mostly just like Alex because his last known words were "You be good, see you tomorrow. I love you." which is incredibly intelligent and sad.That said your green cheek conure and the budgies look adorable too.
And that sound like an awesome day, mine's been kinda sucky, just wrote an exam
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I seem to have infected someone I knew in high school with the genders. I lost contact because before he came out as trans he was binding/packing and going I PROMISE I'M STILL TOTES A LESBIAN I'M JUST BUTCH and it was really grating for me since I was having a crisis after my first transition attempt.

Kinda debating reestablishing contact? But like, given what I just wrote I'm realizing maybe I shouldn't.
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>>7378752
>Yeah, the easiest way to fix it right now is by changing the body, but in the far off future when/if we understand the brain and how to change it, that would be the ideal treatment method.

If I had the choice between changing my brain or my body... I'd choose changing the body, hands down.

Hell, even if the option was between changing my brain or just living in a virtual world as a digital self I'd ditch the whole body cold. Let the worms have it.
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>>7381085
>a DD cup and on the heavy side
My recommendation is the tritop from underworks, coming from a similar situation myself. Binding in the belly left me overheating and claustrophobic. Plus the elasticity of underworks is great, pop in the dryer when it gets too stretched out, great for working out in, even is good under a UV shirt for swimming.
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Is it possible or a smart decision to get my nipples pierced after top surgery?
I should be getting keyhole if that helps you answer.
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>>7380561

Sorry if my word use stumbled onto some triggering territory, I was just running out of room to concisely convey that a trans body cannot currently transition to be indistinguishable from cis. But if you have a problem with that intended sentiment, idk what to tell you.
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