TFW i just want to date a nice mtf. All I want is to be that

>Why is this made out to be some fucked up fetish by society?
Because you don't actually care about your potential GF's feelings, you just want to satisfy your cock fetish without appearing to be gay.

>>7342744
Incorrect.

I absolutely care about the feelings of others, especially those I'd want to date. I have plenty of fetishes that I live without on a daily basis, and you don't see me making threads about those.

It's not a fetish, I know my fetishes and have no shame whatsoever.

>>7342750
>I absolutely care about the feelings of others, especially those I'd want to date
Yeah, keep telling yourself that while you ask dysphoric MTF to let you suck her penis and stick it inside of you. Fuck off chaser scum.

>>7342756

You really have no clue, do you?

One, don't assume every mtf person has the same levels of dysphoria as the stereotype you've made up in your head.

Two, are you so absolutely jaded that you immediately assume that any person attracted to mtfs can't possibly understand how dysphoria works and wouldn't make sure they understand what their partner is comfortable with?

>>7342716
Non-op MtF here
Hopefully some day I'll find someone like you IRL

>>7342716

>tfw started talking to a chaser on here a while ago and he sounded so great and I loved talking with him
>but then he told me he would prefer his trans girl to keep the penis

I'm open to having fun with my penis, but I don't see it as something I want to keep forever.

>>7342716
I want my mtf gf to have her srs though
I can't be a chaser if there's no cock

>>7342750
>plenty of fetishes
fetishes are fetishes, they belong where you got them from, in porn
don't execute them IRL, you porn-addicted faggot, that's not how it's meant to work
>>7342768
>mtfs who aren't dysphoric about their genitals
those are not mtfs, those are traps/cds
an mtf who literally does not want to be a woman (having a vagina), can not be an mtf, it makes no sense
>how dysphoria works
you have no clue, and you never will
what matters is that you understand that an mtf will not see your desire for her dick the same way a big boobed cis girl would see your attraction to her boobs
what matters, is that going into dating with an mtf, you're going into dating with a girl, normal, generic girl who can't have kids, like a cripple
and that just because she has not yet done SRS or doesn't have the money to, doesn't give you the freedom to play with her disability (in this case - dick) unless she allows it, in that case however, she is not a real MTF and just a gay guy in drag.
kys, chaser scum.

>>7343529
i know that feel
>meet boy on r9k
>7 months pass by
>in fucking love out of nowhere
>find out he's chaser scum
>tries to irk out of it, in the end finally admits he'd prefer me to keep it
while i can admire his honesty
there's no fucking way this relationship is ever going to work
even if i got srs, just the feeling, the memory, the reminder that he at some point loved me because of the exact thing that caused me suffering and was so clueless about how i felt that he actually came to a conclusion he'd prefer me to keep it despite knowing full well he would be effectively saying he doesn't want me to be a woman by that, is just too much.
it's not his fault, but shit's just not going to work, and it sucks
fucking chaser scum desu

I'm MtF and I don't think there's anything wrong with you feeling the way you do anon. People automatically assuming attraction to trans makes you a one dimensional chaser are fucking stupid, being attracted to vaginas doesn't mean you automatically look at all females as nonhuman sex objects. Human mind is more than capable of learning and understanding the complex needs and feelings of others, empathy and compassion completely depend on this ability.

>>7343791, >>7342756 is a cunt

>>7343858
and adding to this,

OP, don't let anyone attack you for your preferences, ever. You don't have to justify wanting a mtf over a cis person, just like another person doesn't have to justify any other preferences. It's not wrong to prefer a trans to a cis, it's not wrong to prefer to date one race to an other, or prefer a skinny person to a fat one, just as it's not wrong to prefer a male to female or vice versa. Who you choose to date is your choice, fuck the policing and shaming of other people

>>7342716
The big question is why do you give a damn what society thinks.

As you get older you will eventually either stop giving a shit and the sooner you can get to that point the happier you will be.

>>7343858
>girl is blind
>girl wants to get eye surgery to get sight
>her bf says he'd prefer her to stay blind because it turns him on more
Fucking fetishists i swear
transbians and chasers need to go
being trans = being disabled
loving someone for their disability is sick and disgusting, don't take it personally OP, but your kind are cancer on society
any valid trans womans goal is to become a girl
loving them for not being a girl is just morally wrong, and your porn wrecked brain doesn't get it from years of addiction to it

>>7343762
if you at any point liked dick ever that still makes you disgusting chaser scum, and that's why no trans woman will ever take you seriously once they find out

>>7342716
Because it is, the truth doesn't care about your feelings, you queermophile

>>7343996
lolwut

So I'm a chaser because I've dated men and women?

>>7343986
>loving them for not being a girl is just morally wrong

Nice Freudian slip there, buddy.
Are you the one who gets to decide who is a "valid" trans woman? If someone doesn't ascribe directly to your definition are they suddenly disqualified from having dysphoria? Absolutely ridiculous.

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>>7342716
MTFs can't return love so you're not going to """"""share"""""" your life with anyone. Drop that fantasy right now.

>Why is this made out to be some fucked up fetish by society?
Maintainence of masculinity in men by cis straight women is the root cause.

>>7344247
i should have clarified, liking dicks in case of trans women only, dating both men and women assuming you didn't date trans women for the wrong reasons doesn't make you a chaser, just bisexual [spoiler]which isn't any better btw[/spoiler]
>"valid" trans woman
no, it's a fact
dysphoria=want to become girl
not wanting vagina=not wanting to become girl
not wanting SRS = not having dysphoria
it's a simple logical conclusion

>>7344273
>also judgmental about bisexuality
Wow, you must be great at parties.

Also, you should realize that everyone has their own degrees of dysphoria, not everyone is the same or has the same goals in transitioning.

>>7343791
>those are not mtfs, those are traps/cds
>an mtf who literally does not want to be a woman (having a vagina), can not be an mtf, it makes no sense


uh what

you can be trans without genital dysphoria, i'm mtf and i dont have genital dysphoria, im still dysphoric as fuck though

>>7344336
THATS BULLSHIT!

EVERYONE with dysphoria needs to be transgender, what other treatment is there you fucking tranphobe BIGGOT!!!

Everyone who says they had dysphoria but didnt need transition is a filthy liar BIGGOT WHOS A SHILL FOR DONALD TRUMP

>>7344404
Welp apparently I just want to make transitioning great again.

I had no idea.

>>7344336
no, transitioning is only one goal
to transition to a different sex
hence the name: transition
hence the name: transsexual
>inb4 muh trans"gender"ism
bullshit, trans"genders" need to kill themselves, there's no such thing, if you want to transition, then transition, fully, not to some shemale porn circus freak, i mean sure, you're free to do that it's a free country, but don't mix with actual transsexuals, don't get chasers confused thinking getting a transsexual girlfriend will fulfill their shemale porn fetish and thinking they're entitled to absolutely anything or that their opinions hold any value to a transsexual female.


>>7344375
you're not really trans then
just a femboy who got brainwashed into thinking people will love him more if he's more feminine that becomes self-aware about features and thus has a simillar to dysphoria feeling, such as an old twink, or just a normal fat dude who wants to get fit, it's called Dysmorphia, and it's a serious condition sure, but don't mistake yourself for an actual transsexual, for your own sake.

transitioning is never foremost about changing genitals. transitioning socially is much more important. theres nothing wrong with not going through srs as an initial impulse.

>>7344425
>This level of gate keeping

Take note that only one person in this thread went around throwing out terms like "shemale", and it certainly wasn't me.

Just because you're a shit person with massive assumptions and biases towards what a trans girl is, doesn't mean everyone is as much of a judgmental asshole as you've shown yourself to be.

>>7344454
>how to spot a transtrender

>>7344425
>you're not really trans then
nope
sadly im a fucking tranny
just because i dont fit into your own little narrative of "MUH PENIS I MUST CUT IT OFF"
doesn't mean im not dysphoric, at all
if i was a fucking femboy i wouldn't transition, because guess what, i'd enjoy being a GUY

>>7344461
>Take note that only one person in this thread went around throwing out terms like "shemale", and it certainly wasn't me.
But that's what you mean, chaser scum
it doesn't matter what you call it, i know this is what you fags mean
>Just because you're a shit person with massive assumptions and biases towards what a trans girl is
no, what i said are facts, a trans girl is not your shemale/trap/gay/cd porn fantasy, but a true transsexual, just a girl, with a disability she's trying to fix. Stop denying it.
>doesn't mean everyone is as much of a judgmental asshole as you've shown yourself to be.
hey i don't police anyone, do your thing
but call things by their actual, factual names
you are a chaser, you are scum
you want to emotionally trap girls and objectify them down to their disability, and make it hurt
it's about as shitty and as immoral as it gets, hence why you are scum, and no real trans woman will ever take you seriously, unless you got money, or looking for a one-night stand
your only option is to stick to other sick fetishists like yourself, like femboys and traps
you're free to do your thing, but you are factually immoral and sick, and hence why you are the worst of the worst, on the level of pedophiles, judge and be judged, my friend, that's how the world works
>>7344525
if you don't even get SRS, you are not trans
you never even want to complete your transition
never want to actually become a woman no matter the cost
so you're not trans, you gave yourself dysphoria from cross-dressing at some point and saw the general tranny narrative, and as with reading any symptoms of any disease on the internet, you of course found them on yourself and eventually brainwashed yourself into thinking you hate being a guy, when what you actually hate, is just your body because you feel it makes you feel less loved, but you do mental gymnastics and make dysphoria the scape goat

>>7344558
the amount of assumptions, holy shit, ok pal
you really think cutting off your dick will make you more of a woman than me?
nope, we're both trannies and we'll never be real women whether you like it or not

>>7344583
at least my transition is valid
for all intents and purposes, i'm as much of a woman as i could possibly be, thus the process is finished
but you don't even want to, even if it means being closer to being a woman, you don't even want it, which makes sense, because you don't actually want to be a woman, if you did, you'd rid your body of everything male you could
and would never be okay with some chaser objectifying you for your disability, and strive to be as normal as possible, like all disabled people

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>>7344558
>worst of the worst
>on par with pedophiles
Ok, I can't even be mad at you any more, you're clearly fucking retarded.

>>7344614
never said i'd be ok with being objectified by a chaser, again you're assuming shit
my transition is just as valid, none needs to know whether i have a dick or not in my daily life, i have a partner and that's the only person that needs to know, for all intents and purposes im a woman as much as you in the eyes of society and the people around me (assuming you pass)

>>7344625
well, prove it, how are you not on the same level as pedophiles?

>>7344638
you can't be okay with having a dick in your own eyes if you actually want to be a woman

>>7344639
I don't fuck kids?

Is this supposed to be a trick question?

Consent is kind of a big deal.

But nice job trying to position yourself on the "trans girls can't give consent" side.

>>7344643
SRS only gives you an imitation vagina, not the real thing so ultimately you're in the same boat as having a dick. You still have no vag, uterus, ovaries, etc

>>7344643
Vaginas are not the end-all-be-all of femininity.

Get past your stone age ideas of what sex is.

>>7344650
you're exploiting kids
you're exploiting people with physical disability
same shit

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>>7344665
You're literally insane.

>>7344643
because having a frankenstein vagina and scars to remind you that you've had a dick there all the time is totes better senpai

reminder that you will never have the same life experiences and milestones as a woman who grew up as a woman. no matter what you do you wont have monthly periods, bearing a child, dealing with social interactions before you had transitioned. being trans means you are trying to FIT IN with other women socially to have some of the experiences theyve had their whole life and to live a new life as a woman. having a vagina or not doesnt allow you to have a closer relationship with women. it will however help you have a more feminine interaction with men and your own partner, but in either case you will never be a woman in full, youre always late to the party. even if you transitioned by your parents as a child.

>>7344683
reminder that you're wrong.

>>7344653
>SRS gives you a vagina
>you still have no vag
do you even your own shit?
i'd take [anything] vagina over a dick any day, because it still makes me more female than having a dick, which is exclusively a male thing
>>7344659
"straight" chaser in denial spotted
sex is exactly that
vagina=female
dick = male
that's all that sex is
you could use the word gender of course, but "transgenders" other traps and shit aren't actually trans
and i know that my argument is flawed since of course SRS vagina isn't same as a real one, but it's much closer than the exact opposite of female, which is why it's only logical that people that don't wish for SRS, don't want to be a woman, not coming to this conclusion means you are literally retarded and incapable of logic
>>7344678
nice argument, sicko
>>7344680
it is much better, don't let trans-acceptance bullshit fool you
scars fade, as i said in any trans person's eyes, [anything vagina] should be better than a dick
a reminder of something long gone is much better than having it still, that's of course the case if you're actually trans

>>7344683
exactly, if a person doesn't want to do everything possible to be as close to female sex, such as like you said "more feminine interactions with men and your own partner" then they don't really want to be a woman, but rather a frankenstenian fusion of the two, either because they think it's fun or something else
again, i'm not stopping those people, they want to be circus freaks, all the power to them, but they're by no means trans, and should not be seen as such.

Chasers and other freaks are free to fuck each other, but objectifiying actual trans women is what makes me sick about chasers, the fact that they actively believe it's okay to like someone for their disability when that person sees it as such is just disgusting, it's okay when it's someone like bailey jay, who just does it for lulz and money, because they're just men, and never wanted to be women and they know it.

>>7344743
>Are you a Optoma HD 28DSE? Because this is the clearest projecting I've ever seen.

>>7344743
cont.
a trans woman, for all intents and purposes is a woman, if she truly is transitioning for serious as far as she can, that is.

and should only be treated as such, especially by a person who wants to date her
this is why there's a stigma around trans women about chasers, that puts your dating market value down instantly and prevents anyone from taking you seriously
you're in it for the wrong reasons, you're into her, for her transgenderness, her disability, not for what she truly is and wants to be seen as - a woman
like if you had a fetish for a fat girl, and she really wanted to get slim and it hurt her being fat, or [put disability analogy here]
a trans woman until end of transition is an incomplete product, and should be treated as such, finding her incompleteness and disability that hurts her so much attractive, is what chasers do, and it truly sucks that the world has gotten to a point where people try to say this is in any way okay.

>>7344762
in which part of my post did i project anything?

>>7344743
if you have a dick, and that males you male, aren't you a fucking male then?

>>7344841
i don't have a dick, haven't for 6 years.

>>7343986
LOL wut?

>>7344859
what's wrong about my post?

>>7343986
Wait why are transbians grouped in here? Unless you mean transbians who sleep with other transbians

>>7344879
oh yeah that's what i meant essentially
i should have clarified, my mistake there

>>7344879
because this person is a sex negative idiot, and appearantly anything other than cis men and cis women who absolutely love everything about their birth circumstances, engaging in any sort of sexual contact is morally wrong or something.

IDK.

>>7344891
uhm, that's not at all what i was saying
>sex negative
no, just some fetishes negative, like chasers and pedophiles and other stuff i consider morally wrong
>anything other than cis men and cis women
slow down there projector, i never said anything like it
i always said feel free to do your thing
but OP asked why is there a stigma on chasers
i answered, because most trans women see it as morally wrong for someone to like them for their disability, for their trans-ness, their disease, instead of the women actually are, if they are actually transsexual women and not men in drag/traps/cds//femboys/"transgenders" etc, which is also fine, but all of those aren't actually trans
>who love everything about their birth circumstances
again, i never made this claim, in fact, that's exactly why trans women go out of their way to fix their birth circumstances and disability to be actual women, and chasers who like dicks, should understand that they're just gay fetishists, and should know better than to hurt trans women by objectifying them down to their disability, which is the morally wrong part of abusing people, hence the stigma, no trans woman will ever take seriously a chaser who likes her disability, unless she's not trans, and just a fetishist, in that case it's still sick, but not so much that it matters

>>7344854
Oh, so you are an eunich.

>want to date a MtF because they will be more relatable to me than an actual woman.

How fucked has our society become?

>>7345017
no, i'm as female as i can possibly be, for all intents and purposes
i see myself as female, everyone sees me that way, and there's nothing male left, other than shadows of scars and the blood i bled to get where i am.

>>7345019
no you shit
you want to date an mtf because you're chaser scum and you love dicks
but you're in denial about it so you make excuses
go end your life.

>>7345026
Can you bare a child? Do you have ovaries? Did you ever have a period?

If not, you are NOT a female for "all intents and purposes" faggot, you are a mentally ill eunich that LOVES the idea of being treated like a girl.

>>7345054
i went through an operation called sex change
i changed my sex to female
i'm female
more female than those who do not cut off dicks
i'm a true transsexual female

>>7345064
>I went through an operation called a castration / mutilation / molding tattered flesh into something vagina shaped
fixed
>I changed my sex to femininely shaped eunich
fixed
>im eunich
fixed
>Less manly than those who don't cut off their dicks
fixed
>I'm a true freak of nature
fixed.

>>7345096
troll all you want, but what you're saying is completely irrelevant backwards ass view of facts and changes nothing

>>7345108
you want to talk about facts?

>your chromosomes are still xy
>you destroyed your functional body parts
>you are less desirable to normal males, and are a fetish to those who seek you
>your "vagina" is made of chopped up dick and balls
>you probably spent thousands, just to feel better about yourself
>you are a drug addict for hormones

>>7342716
Aw it's sweet of you, really. Don't worry about those ignorants who tell you it's a 'fucked up fetish'. Everyone has some fetishes and well, I do have a penis and I basically can't help it much, I'm not rich enough for SRS and there is too much risk to it. Also we're usually clingy and sorta autistic and honestly I know guys who are into that. My boyfriend can be considered a 'chaser' by /lgbt/, but I don't care. He loves me and makes me feel good. Cares about me for who I am inside :3. It's all good, don't worry please. Also – cute doggo.

>>7345150
so if a person needed asthma medication or diabetes meds, they'd also be a drug addict?
kek
>your chromosomes are still xy
irrelevant
>you destroyed your functional body parts
no, the only part i "destroyed" was disfunctional anyway because the idea of PIV sex where i would be on the giving end or just using my penis was so mentally unbearable i would never let it happen
>you are less desirable to normal males
as opposed to what, a man? i'm as desirable as i could be, besides, i transition for myself, not for some men. If i end up alone, so be it, but i will be a woman, alone, like thousand other womyn, dying alone.
>your "vagina" is made of chopped up dick and balls
your dick and balls are made of overgrown clitoris and mutations during development process is in the uterus
we're all made of the same shit, but it's the end product that matters
>you probably spent thousands just to feel better about yourself
just like a cripple would spend thousands getting implants, or a cancer patient spending thousands on treatment? i saved my own life and drastically improved my life quality, i improved my life instead and fixed actual problems with hard work instead of filling it with stupid consumerist shit

>>7345185

>He loves me and makes me feel good.
>Cares about me for who I am inside :3
kys, if you were trans, risk would not matter
and you wouldn't date chaser scum either, since he loves you for penis and penis only, he sees you as a man no matter his lies and your delusions. The only way out is through, get SRS and dump him.

>>7345150
>your chromosomes are still xy
And yet I still have feminine features.

>you destroyed your functional body parts
I can still urinate so its still functional.

>you are less desirable to normal males, and are a fetish to those who seek you
My partners seems to disagree with that. As they couldnt clock me even during sex.

>your "vagina" is made of chopped up dick and balls
Its not chopped up its inverted.

>you probably spent thousands, just to feel better about yourself
Didnt spend a dime.

>you are a drug addict for hormones
Hormones don't have an addicting side effect.

>>7345244
>Feminine features
Feminine features are not the end all be all of females. You are not a woman, neither is a maniquin.

>I can still urinate.
Urination is mearely the leaking out of liquid. Your means to impregnate, get erect, ect have been destroyed. You did this on purpose. You destroyed your body parts on purpose.

>can't be noticed
I bet you have the lights off, don't you? scars are pretty fucking noticable. Also, have you considered maybe some notice, but are fetishists and don't care?

>Not chopped up, inverted
Lets just agree with mutilated then.

>Didn't spend a dime
I honestly wonder whos money you flushed down the toilet then.

>hormones don't have addicting side effects
Literally anything can be addictive, and you will feel like you "need" them for the rest of your life faggot. you ARE a drug addict.

>>7345211
Lol, again? ok....
>irrelevant
Not to me, and MOST people on this world.
>my dick was dysfunctional
Actually, your MIND was dysfunctional in thinking your DICK was wrong. I bet your dick was perfectly healthy.
>Womyn, I'm desirable as I can be
No you aren't you COULD be more desirable if you weren't a faggot, but you refuse. You REFUSE to be desirable.
>dick and balls are formed in the womb
What is your point? You still amputated removed, and re-organized flesh. This is mutilation. You mutilated yourself
>end product matters
end product is a feminine eunich.
>I saved my life
Fag, "saving your life" from suicide is one of the dumbest shit you can say, and you just compared a MENTAL illness to a PHYSICAL disability.

Besides that, trannies commit suicide on epic scales, even after post op. You statistically made your life worse.

>>7345358
>Feminine features are not the end all be all of females. You are not a woman, neither is a maniquin.
Sure the bloodtests wont lie but for the general public they will always see me as a girl unless I tell them otherwise.

>Urination is mearely the leaking out of liquid. Your means to impregnate, get erect, ect have been destroyed. You did this on purpose. You destroyed your body parts on purpose.
The clit works in identical ways as that of a biological female. The sex still feels the same, yes I cant impregnate anyone anymore but I dont care I never had the desire to do this in the first place. I wouldn't want to have offspring even though transgenderism isn't passed down in the genes I dont want to take the risk.

>I bet you have the lights off, don't you? scars are pretty fucking noticable. Also, have you considered maybe some notice, but are fetishists and don't care?
No lights have been on and my body has been seen completely nude by them. Given time and care scars can heal quite well.

>Lets just agree with mutilated then.
Mutilation seems to say that I caused damage to myself. Yet my body is perfectly healthy and to me it's a fix. I can see why this would seem like a mutilation to you as it's hard to explain to someone why you get rid of a good functional body part, but to me it has been an improvement of my body. To be honest if I could have given it to someone who needed it I would have.

>I honestly wonder whos money you flushed down the toilet then.
Insurance, well I pay 120 a month anyawy so who's money is it really. I never had to use it for anything else.

>Literally anything can be addictive, and you will feel like you "need" them for the rest of your life faggot. you ARE a drug addict.
I don't feel like the "need" to have them. If my doctor would say I can stop taking them I will stop right away. Sadly the body needs a hormone production and since I cant produce them myself Im stuck with having to take hormones.

>>7345726
>they see me as a girl
This is called lying, to yourself and others, you ARENT a girl
>The clit works in identical ways
Its not a clitoris, its a shred of your dick that was left behind, and shaped to LOOK like a clitoris. Why don't you show a picture to prove me it looks the same? not like anyone cares about LGBT showing NSFW anyways.
>Lights are on, scars heal
See above, ill be the judge. All pictures ive seen of post op pussies look gross and distorted at best, and besides that, its still a penis / ballsack mangled to LOOK like a vagina, its not ACTUALLY a vagina.
>mutilation says I damaged myself
you did, you got a functional organ amputated because you felt insecure.
>its a fix
So is suicide, for some people
>hard to explain
because it makes no sense
>Given it to someone who needed it
IIRC, they need a larger portion than what they cut off, not even THAT would of worked, pretty sure. You literally wasted everything.
>Insurance
I wonder if theres any trans EXCLUSIONARY insurance programs I can get? They might be cheaper... Well you wasted the funds of insurance, you got this while some poor fuck needing an organ transplant or surgery to legit save a life cant. Great.

>Don't feel like I need them
>having to take hormones
either quit them, or admit you are a drug addict for them. I bet if you got robbed of your stash, you would be suicidal. Most trannies break down if you deny them their "happy juice".

I bet you couldn't go 3 months without your dosages (monthy shooting up lel) without going insane...thus, you are a drug addict.

>>7345807
why do you even care what anyone that isn't you does to their bodies?

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>>7345892

conservatives try to control others because their own lives are so unfulfilling.
"If I can't enjoy life then you can't either!"