I know it doesn't work for gays, but could conversion therapy work for trannies? I'm 18 male, i've been in therapy for gender dysphoria since 16, and my therapist has said that the only way he thinks i'll be happy is if i transition. I'm not sure if i could bring that amount of shame on my family though, so would conversion therapy work?
>>7296705
maybe. but eventually you'll succumb to the desire to transition and you'll wake up as a 40 year old man where your only option now is to become a hon and deal with the deep regrets of not taking action earlier
>>7296705
use your brain here. if conversion therapy worked for trannies, why would medical transition exist? psychiatry goes for the option that requires not listening to people even when it straight-up doesn't work ('antipsychotics' are provably a meme, for instance) -- the existence of transition proves it can't even PRETEND to work for anything more than a sparse few cases.
>>7296705
>Starting therapy for gender dysphoria at 16
>You're 18 now and you still haven't started because of thousand-year-old desert god memes
Wew, lassy. What the fuck are you doing with your life?
>>7296727
well to be fair it took about a year before we could say for certain that the root cause of my depression/anxiety/body issues was gender dysphoria
What's his name again?
You could try a lobotomy
>>7296725
If shock therapy wasn't villanized all trannys would bed straight males.
t. medicaldoctor
>>7296806
Well, at least you told your therapist. I went to a psychologist back when i was 17 and I never mentioned my gender issues because I was paranoid the psych was reporting back what we discussed to my father.
But back to you, hasn't this therapist already gone over transition being the only treatment option observed to work for trans people with you?
>>7296853
He's said it's the only long term solution that works, but he's a little new-age-y, so i don't think conversion therapy is even on his radar
>>7296821
Does anyone still perform those?
>>7296924
Have you tried leeching the tranny blood out of yourself?
>>7296705
bro, starting next year on jan. 20, being trans will soon be illegal anyways. your best bet is to undergo conversion therapy, seek psychiatric counseling, repress and stay in the closet. if that isn't enough for you, request for testosterone injections so your female feelings will go away. i wish you good luck my brother, and stay away from anything that might tempt you to the dark side.
>>7296813
Mike "AC/DC for the LGBT" Pence
>>7296961
wait would T injections actually work?
>>7296924
Well, I once read a post here of an MtF who started HRT at 16 and nearly got to 19 before being physically beaten and committed to a mental hospital. There she was subject to conversion therapy, had her hair cut, and forced to exercise to lose her breasts. She only started up again at 48. So no conversion therapy does not work. The only thing it did to that woman is traumatize her and steal and ruin years of her life. You would do well to leave the idea of becoming a cis male behind now because it will not happen.
>>7296966
yes. sex hormones (i.e. testosterone & estrogen) have a psychological effect on a person's brain. injecting yourself with male hormones will flood your body and mind with masculinity, therefore erasing any feminine or gender dysphoric feelings you might have. honestly if it wasn't for the SJW political correctness, injecting testosterone would have cured trannies and prevented degeneracy.
>>7296966
nope
this was ALSO tried -- again, if you think about this logically you'll realize transition wouldn't be used if anything else worked
increasing your testosterone will increase your physical masculinity (causing physical dysphoria) and sex drive (which, if you're agp, will intensify agp-induced dysphoria)
it has been tried since long before you were born and every time it fails
>>7296985
Not sure if this sarcastic or not but it sounds possible
>>7296973
you're either libtard special snowflake scum or a betamale cuck if you believe conversion therapy doesn't work. that poor soul you just described would have benefited from a lobotomy and anti-psychotic drugs. it's disgusting to see that the medical community has pandered to liberal political correctness. this madness needs to stop if western civilization wants to survive for the next millennium.
>>7296966
No, that's just some miserable repressed tranny who takes you for the same gullible fool she is.
http://www.avitale.com/TNote15Testosterone.htm
https://www.t-nation.com/living/kroc-from-matt-to-janae
>And here's an interesting thing I found out when I had cancer. I actually found out that all my hormone levels, naturally, were in-between male and female. My estrogen levels were high. My prolactin levels were three times what a normal male's were supposed to be. My pituitary gland is unusually small for a male's. My body was kind of in-between both genders.
>I had assumed, because of how well I'd done in lifting, that I probably had a naturally high testosterone level. But then I had my levels drawn before surgery and it turned out I was actually below normal even beforehand.
>So I took about six months and thought about everything, and I made the decision to cross over to "the dark side". It was one of those things, like a love-hate relationship. I liked what it did for my performance, but I hated the secondary masculine characteristics and it made my body more male in those ways.
>It made me hairier all over. I was never someone who had a lot of chest hair, but that stuff really bothered me. It made me very uncomfortable. I started getting whole body laser hair removal years ago. The facial hair really bothered me. Then I started losing the hair on my head.
>I really didn't like that
Wouldn't it make sense to discuss this with actual therapists/counselors/psychologists? I highly doubt anyone here is certified to answer this question. All their answers will be based on bias, limited internet research, and word of mouth--which imo is shit.
>>7296705
>could conversion therapy work for trannies?
No, failed miserably when they they forced me through it. Ruined my life too.
>>7296841
Shock therapy destroyed all that I learned before by creating holes and errors in all the skills and knowledge I had learned. I can't trust anything I learned before I was subjected to it.
>>7296966
>>7296985
Nope. Most likely will give you greater anxiety and dysphoria.
This >>7296993
>>7296973
that is me.
No, it would make a shell out of you, likely to die early, probably by suicide. If that's your fix, then go for it.
>>7298791
Well that's probably how i'll go anyway
>>7296725
>if conversion therapy worked for trannies, why would (((medical transition))) exist?
you can only wonder
>>7296985
It doesn't. I was on a Testosterone / trenbolone cycle when i discovered i was bisexual.
Also the added horniness will make you want to have sex with both genders if you are on the fence about that.
>>7298775
>No, failed miserably when they they forced me through it. Ruined my life too.
Based on most of the replies and online searches, conversion therapy appears never to work for those WHO NEVER WANTED IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. I'm a total advocate for those who willfully want to change. Obviously it won't work if you were against it from the start. All the gays complain it's harmful and muh shock makes holes in muh brain, which is untrue, but they were fine being gay in the first place. It should be allowed for those who want to try to change.
>>7302619
When my computer gets a virus I just shock the motherboard with 220 volts.
It fixes it everytime.
>being this stupid
>>7302654
Electroconvulsive therapy has up to a 90% success rate homo. Try it. ECT isn't the only therapy you can get also.
>being this ignorant to science
>>7302671
would it work for trannies
>>7302671
>up to 90% success rate
>up to 90%
>up to
How is "success" defined?
"Please make it stop!!" is not success in my opinion.
protip: Frying someone's brain is not science.
>>7302730
Pro tip: you've been misled by word of mouth gays who oppose science
http://www.webmd.com/depression/guide/electroconvulsive-therapy
Also like I mentioned, ect isn't the only method.
>>7302730
"Although ECT has been used since the 1940s and 1950s, it remains misunderstood by the general public. Many of the procedure's risks and side effects are related to the misuse of equipment, incorrect administration, or improperly trained staff. It is also a misconception that ECT is used as a "quick fix" in place of long-term therapy or hospitalization. Nor is it correct to believe that the patient is painfully "shocked" out of the depression. Unfavorable news reports and media coverage have contributed to the controversy surrounding this treatment."
>>7302215
estrogen and testosterone are really cheap drugs, if they could sell people on-patent psych drugs they absolutely would
>>7302865
no, my bf had ect 3 times for his depression and all it did was make his memory bad and burned his finger where they forgot to tell him to remove his ring.
it is a scam like frontal lobotomy.
the truth is that we don't understand enough about how the brain works to be able to cure anything.
taking a figurative hammer to the circuit board is what a monkey would do to try and fix something and it doesn't work.
why do you think that it would?
>>7302865
>>7302888
Depression != gender dysphoria. Maybe you could shock someone until they no longer remember what gender is as a concept to place themselves in the trans category, or are just completely out of fucks to give about anything, but I don't see any evidence that ECT changed anyone's gender identity successfully, nor do I see ECT as having a mechanism that could do that.
>>7302888
ECT does have consequences. Many people are much mentally slower, say they are "foggier", have memory problems, headaches, etc. after ECT
>>7302920
"It's also very effective for patients who suffer from mania or other mental illnesses."
I'm lumping faggotry and trans in that other category.
>>7302918
>the truth is that we don't understand enough about how the brain works to be able to cure anything.
And yet it works for suicide and depression when other methods fail (not every time, but up to ~80%)
>>7302933
>A treatment works for one mental illness so it works for every mental illness XD
That's not evidence you dumbfuck, and most of the evidence we do have due to barbaric usages in the past have shown it's not effective.
>>7302940
Obviously a borderline potato won't be able to feel such things.
>>7302941
Stop being a dumbfuck, if you don't want it don't get it. I've stated 3 times now it's not the only method to be used.
>>7302940
>up to 70%
it works up to 60%!
>>7302966
>audience member: 22 veterans kill themselves every day
>trump: it's actually 23
What did he mean anon?
>>7296705
And what will you transition into? A cishet or cisgay? Pick one. Us trannies don't need normie basics among us. "Dont wanna bring down muh family name" im a tranny and my family can and will go to hell if they dont like it, fuck them.
>>7303099
>bases their knowledge of ect off of requiem for a dream, one flew over the cuckoos nest, and girl interrupted
>>7296722
Meaningless horseshit.
>>7303983
unrelated but I spent 20 minutes looking for the source on that picture and the actress's name is Hwang seung-Un in the movie "miss granny"
I have had conversion therapy OP, back before it was made illegal where I live because of the mass increase in suicides it caused.
It does not work at all, even if you desperately want it to work.
It will however destroy your ability to feel happiness in any capacity and ruin your life forever.
>>7304063
Gyah ... cool! She rarely gets core roles though, including not there.
Still, those all girl horror movies seem interesting. Not that I watch this kind of stuff.
>>7302619
Most people put through conversion therapy are juveniles forced into it by their parents. Funny thing is conversion therapy increases the chance of suicide greatly. As in many times more likely.
As for shock therapy. While there have been no studies due to ethical concerns on memory loss due to shock therapy, there is a huge body of clinical evidence form those that have gone through it that it often does cause memory, skills, and cognitive damage to the brain. This is why it is now considered a treatment of absolute last resort after all else has failed for only the treatment of severe depression. The problem is with the voltages and currents used. To get the brain to have a general seizure, one needs to apply a current, frequency, and voltage combination that is also capable of destroying nerves. Anything lower and the brain ignores it. In an ideal situation the current would be distributed evenly, but most often it isn't. Nerves are electrical conductors, so the lowest resistance electrical path often takes the full load, and that burns out the nerve. It's now dead. All that was accessed by that nerve is now cut off and useless unless a new nerve grows and replaces it. While the brain has plasticity, and can repair, it is slow to do so and may take years or decades to replace the dead nerve.
>>7302671
>90% success rate
Who's butt did you pull that stat out of?
>>7296725
> if conversion therapy worked for trannies, why would medical transition exist?
Well, lobotomy was performed for decades despite it being extremely damaging to the patient's personality and functioning.
Who knows, maybe people in the future will see medical transition as a similar crazy fad and will be rolling their eyes over how could anyone think that was a good idea.
As for the conversion therapy, there is a huge political pressure against it from the LGBT movement, kinda mindlessly copying the push against conversion therapy for gays.
As a result, the only people not afraid to practice it are crazy Christians, so no wonder the results are so bad. I think if there was more proper scientific research done on trying to cure transsexuality through therapy, it would yield some success. But it needs modern psychological approach - mainly, talking to the patients, trying to deconstruct the gender stereotypes they have and trying to get to the root of their transsexuality.
>>7305241
lobotomy is more directly comparable to psychiatric drugs (did you know that neuroleptics shrink and damage the frontal lobes?)
transition is an outlier in psychiatry -- it's a treatment that assumes the patient's subjective experience is valid. the reason it exists is because everything that didn't did not treat it. if anything that assumed gender identity to be a mental illness worked to treat it, even bullshit pretending-to-work like neuroleptics, transition would not exist.
>>7296705
>I know it doesn't work for gays, but could conversion therapy work for trannies?
I've read studies that said it worked, but I don't know if I can trust the sources, have to do more research
>>7296722
>you are tranny to your core and if you don't transition you will die
this is possibly the most harmful thing you could tell an 18 year old
I swear you people just want company
>>7296725
>why would anyone do something they know is harmful?
do you know human nature? formulate your own arguments, don't appeal to authority
>>7302904
estrogen also gives men cancer
>>7307241
So does testosterone.
>>7307269
>I'm already going to get cancer, might as well speed it up
k I mean if that's what you want
I don't see why you would try to play that down though. That is a pretty big deal.
>>7307291
>speed it up
?
HRT decreases chances of some kinds of cancer and increases others, that's all.
>>7307307
>everything is equal always
you're just being disingenuous now
>>7307326
So do you have source for HRT being cancerogenous? I don't really feel like digging deep into it, but if wikipedia is anywhere close to truth, it's the opposite, since transwomen rarely develop breast cancer and lack of androgens protects them from prostate cancer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy_(male-to-female)#Risk_of_hormone-sensitive_cancers
>>7296985
testosterone injections has been proven not to work on gender dysphoria
unless ftm of course
>>7307360
i don't care enough either
but it's your life not mine, you should care more than me
>>7307379
Well, then don't post unfounded crap.
>>7307387
>unfounded
lol
your feelings on the matter won't change the truth
just trying to help
>>7307405
Yeah, you're so concerned about us you won't even post a single source :^)
>>7307414
I'm less concerned about you than you are
Should I be more concerned than you?
>>7307326
Obviously taking MtF HRT will increase your risk of oestogen-induced cancers and decrease your risk of androgen-induced cancers. It's not to say the overall risk is the same either way, but there's certainly a balance.
>>7296705
Meanwhile in the electrodungeon...
>>7308078
So is that from porn?
>>7296705
I want daddy Pence to convert me into his little sissy sex slave.
>>7296705
the problem is that current conversion therapies are all bullshit
what's needed is an actual way to fix the things that are wrong with someone's brain to cause gender dysphoria in the first place.
>>7296722
>i regret not cutting off genitals
Yeah definitely not a mental disorder!
>>7305241
The difference is that lobotomy was the standard because nothing tried before had worked at all. Conversion therapy has been tried before, and it isnt effective. Sure, maybe in the future some scientist will invent a magic pill that cures dysphoria but that's not conversion therapy.
>>7296705
>I know it doesn't work for gays, but could conversion therapy work for trannies?
Let's be realistic, trans and gay children behave very similar. Both identities are closer related than trannies want to admit. I'd say conversion therapy would have the same outcome as with gays.
>>7320016
>Both identities are closer related than trannies want to admit.
I think you mean closer than transphobic gays want to admit.
>>7296813
Mike "you like cock? Get a shock" Pence
>>7320123
Sounds like a homophobic generalization to me, Krystal.