/hongen/

No hons about?

>>7194879
this board is packed full with hons.... they wont post in your thread because they're all in denial about being one though.

>>7194921
We had a few threads that hit bump limit but then we stopped making new threads following the death of the previous one

So I guess the few posters who posted in /hongen/ have been scattered in the wind again

>>7194468
I think that boy looks kinda cute :3

>>7194975
but he looks obviously like a male

>>7195063
Yeah. I know he wouldn't pass as a girl but i would still like to date him as a boy

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>tfw your browbone hasn't grown since 13
>tfw it's still blatantly male
>tfw you never stood a chance

Theres already another /hongen/ up, on the first page too.
>>7139568

>>7194468
if you start at 18, you're not a hon
kill yourself

>>7198141
Young hons exist

They're not as depressed or as hated but they can still completely fail to pass on any level

>realized I'm trans later in life (27)
>these thoughts won't go away and got worse as I got older.
Was on HRT until I ran out. Need to make another endo appointment which costs money I don't have. Just got a machine shop job working with older men that may not It accept me if I come out.

>>7199523
About 1 in 20 may not pass. Zero will be hons

>>7199537
just do it and don't tell anybody
if you actually are actually a hon then it's not like you're going to have any trouble appearing as a man

>>7198141
Bullshit. I stated aas at 17, but I'm still a hon.

>>7199822
having bdd doesn't make you a hon

>>7199835
>implying I have bdd

>>7199838
you do.

>>7199841
I don't. If I did, then I wouldn't have explicitly make features.

>>7194468
Dont wanna bring up your hopes but I know a ciswoman who looks just like that.

>>7199864
ciswoman come in all shapes and sizes, they're capable of looking like anything

>>7199667
It's higher than that

Starting early is no guarantee you will pass, HRT doesn't affect the face

18-20 is not early anyway

>>7202136
Female fat redisbution in the face.

>>7199845
Sorry, you have BDD.

>>7202136
False.
And what kind of delusional world do you love in where 18-20 is not early?

>>7203084
How do you even know if I do? I'm just an anon.

>>7202136
>HRT doesn't affect the face
When will this meme end? And 18-20 is early and will give most people very good results.

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>>7203177
17 didn't for me

>>7203092
Not the poster you were asking but my opinion:
18-20 right when you become a legal adult and/or independent. There's still some places that bad hrt access to anyone under 18.

Anything prior to that is early imo. It used to be considered 'early' but that's when we were comparing ourselves to 40+y/o hons.
It's a new age, 18-20 could be considered good enough. But It's not 'late' contrary to what some of the 13-14 year olds will tell you.

>>7194468
I post in hon thread's and they tell me I'm not a hon. Post in regular thread's and, well they also tell me I'm not a hon, but people like the "tranny skulls are expanded in every direction" poster say I look like an obvious tranny. So idk what to believe.

>>7203414
post pic

>>7203414
Idk, I got the save thing, but I get pity passed irl.

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>>7205266
Me
>>7201042
Also me

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I'd post, but vid is above limit

>>7206458
Either you're being nice to yourself with your camera angle, or you pass

>>7206458
pass

now fuck off

>>7206458
LONDON
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>>7206552

that wall is very passable

>>7194975
was thinking the same

he should just be a gayfag

all this identity politics bullshit is just terminal cancer

>>7207171
London? I don't get it
>>7206997
No, I am a hon, I started at 19 . I belong here!

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>>7206458
That's not yung hon, this is yung hon

>>7207282
>I don't get it
Disregard my autistic /fit/ memes
W-where do you live?

N-not that I want to tongue punch or fartbox or anything

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Repeating my question from the other thread.

IS FFS STATE FUNDED FOR TRANNIES IN UK/SCOTLAND

thank you, picture unrelated

>>7208359
In Colorado.
sorry mate

>>7194468
I'm turning 25 this month and haven't started yet

fortunately I might be able to make it work anyway, given that I'm often told I still look 18 when I get ID'd for things

I'm still terrified though
but that doesn't mean I'm not going to do it

>>7208847
no, there's a thread up on this subject already.

>>7207546
That's bdd, get on hrt n gain weight nigger

6'3" here, hon status forever no matter what.

If I could get the golfball stuck in my throat out and better results from laser than I'm getting, that'd be good enough for me.

>>7209659
yeah

but that wasn't possible, anon

my face is pretty roundish, and my shoulders aren't too broad
the only downside I really have is my height, which unfortunately there isn't a way to change. Unlike FFS and the like

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ᵗᶠʷ ʰᵒᶰ

>>7202136
Technically starting early will make you pass, it's just that as you said, 18-20 is not early. People who naturally have very early puberties or exaggerated gendered features will need to transition in their mid-early teens to pass consistently. Just like some people can transition in their 30s and pass, some people can transition at 18-20 and not pass; bodies vary a lot.

"Early" is often used relative to the average age of transition, when it many cases it's more meaningful to use it relative to the onset of puberty (which means the definition will vary according to the individual).

>>7206458
Either this person is delusional or someone else is posting their pictures to troll.

>>7203177
>most people

Hello!

Started hormones at 28, over a year in now and coming to terms with my forever hon-ness.

I have FFS planned next year but it's really just to make me a little closer to passing. I no I never will because I'm 6'2 and still quite muscular and manfaced but it might ease my pain slightly.

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what is this thread, post hons already

>>7209742
I'm fat as fuck boiii and on hrt.
>>7210864
I already did

>>7211103
20 year old still counts?

>>7211321
Whats your dosage?

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>>7211103
>tfw trveyunghon
Here's proof that the young don't need hrt meme is like not real.

>>7212515
I mean you can still have a massive chin, jaw, brow bone and still have started blockers at 17.
Idk why I said hrt, I meant ffs....

>>7207546
hot

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Hey do u think I would pass ?

>>7194975
To sad that he is so mentally fucked beyond repair that he fantasize about cutting off his own penis.

He needs help.

>>7212697
i look like a man there tho.

>tfw already a disgusting man by the time I was 13

>tfw I started HRT at 17 but I still look like an ugly he-she freak

>tfw if I had started at 13 at least I would have had nice skin and might have been a top tier twink

>tfw nobody but other hons and desperate chasers would date me now

>>7211879
you are legitimately not bad, you're firmly in /uglygirl/ even in profile
and that's keeping in mind that, yeah, you do have a prominent brow bone
but the rest of your face, even in profile, is girl
if you're so bdd then get your brow shave done, you'll look exactly like any other cis girl afterwards

>tfw hon
>tfw you worked so hard on voice with tips on too low/too high/too nasally/etc. for over a year and finally got it so right that people don't even react until they look at your face.
>tfw in the process, you forgot how you used to speak and can't bring yourself to, even when you're angry/upset/etc.

What is this feel. There's like a mental block at talking in any other way. Maybe because it's the one thing that's turned out right.

But now what? I want to just cover myself up forever so people can't tell, so I don't have to deal with it anymore. But when I do, when I don't even try on voice, it comes out "tired girlvoice" anyway and ruins it.

This is the hardest rock and a hard place.

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>>7206458
This place is full of trolls.

You do pass, you're even cute. The only telling bit of your face is your nose, which is not a big problem since that is cheap.

With a bit of effort and some little FFS you might live stealth and get cocks left and right (or pussies, if that's what you fancy).

Here's a pic of mine, transitioning at 32.

>>herp derp if you don't takeyur hormones by the age of 5, you'll be forever a hon

Nope, you're just the typical 4chan troll

Genetic makeup and money are far more important than starting age.

>>7214624
I had facial hair at 13

It's a lot more damaging psychologically

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>started at almost 21
>13.5 months HRT
>still haven't been gendered female once by a stranger I'm not out to even when I don't speak
>still actively gendered male just as frequently as before HRT

>>7208847
yes in Scotland, no in England/Wales/NI

>>7216301
I thought I remember you saying you were 25

>>7216337
no?

>>7216361
Well I've seen your pics, you look bad, man

Hon status approved

>>7215536
I don't have bdd. And honestly I'm gonna try for ffs. I just don't see any hope without it

>tfw laser will take over year

>>7216301
are you surprised lol

aside from your face, your body looks hulking

>>7216301
maybe it's the estrogen that's making me delusional but i think you look slightly like a woman now

a british woman that is

>>7194468
ahaha get fucked I started HRT 3 days before my 18th birthday ahahaha... My brow still makes me look like an ape though xD

I was also on blockers at 17.6
#shrivelledballs

>>7219325
r u ok?

>>7194468
How to forget about wanting to be a fem, hongen?

>>7217010
yes you do fucking retard

>>7220615
you don't, embrace it

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I wonder what's suicide method I should use

>>7216301
>face looks MORE male without the beard
how is that even possible, but you did it anon, congrats

>>7220667
No, I don't.

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>gender male (89.32%) after trying five times not coming out of the bubble and accepting 99%
Fuck my genes
Kill me

>>7216301
>started at the same time as robin except i was almost 22
>never misgendered
>full time
how genes can fuck one over so bad

Have you ever seen a cis girl who looked like an hon-est-to-god hon? I think I have

>>7225798
Beard shadow

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>>7228970
I know will try pic related. Black hair is pain in the butt.

>>7229031
or just not bother trying to pass until a year later when laser is finished

>>7229036
not pic anon, but
i think it's better to figure out sooner then later if you're doomed for hondom

>>7235763
If you have strong beard shadow then it's pretty hard to figure out.

>>7206458
Hot/10 would suck, cook food for

>>7237060
>job
>people who love me
now I hate you for being a normie

>tfw started HRT at 14 and still destined to be a hon

not even trolling
i hate it so fucking much, I wish the early transitioner meme was real

>>7225798
I think you're prty cute

>>7237493
This is what I kinda do

I've been self-medding for 4 months but I told my GP it was 2 and I'll tell my psych something similar at out appointment

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Guys. I'm 20 and I look like a girl and I'm NOT ON ANYTHING. I'm straight but I'm wicked girly I think I just have a lot of natural estrogen. Even my mother makes fucking cracks about me getting knocked up by male friends and looking like a teenage girl >.<. I have kinda boobs and I've had them since puberty. My whole school used to make fun of me for it and I was really upset by it and shit. Now I kinda wanna grow them out. I like looking like a girl, I like being pretty and attractive and soft, and I wanna go on some stuff to really bring it out but I'm going into the trades...so like...maybe a bad idea given the people I'll be working with.

I'm getting my hair cut tomorrow (for work) and I'm really conflicted about it. I wanna have money for a wife and kids but I also wanna be pretty and stuff which seems stupid and selfish but I dunno.

Wat do??? Try being myself or give up. Also most of my friends are Nazis...just a uh...extra factor.

I really want some advice!

>>7238501
25

Not going to shit for me anyway. Besides everyone writes me off since I'm a way off laser being finished/

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>>7238652

you can be yourself and still make money.

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>>7238802

But I'm scared, I get so many comments from people! I'm afraid of them knowing I like how I am because I'm not "supposed" to!

I had an old man start hitting on me the other day, and when I said something he heard my voice and I know it fucked with him badly. I feel ashamed and scared and I can't tell anyone AND ALL MY FRIENDS ARE ON THE ALT RIGHT WHAT DO I DO??

I wish I could just wear a scarf and a coat all day and only have gf see me unclothed. I try to just deal with it but it's always there every time someone makes a comment I have to laugh it off and stuff. Maybe there is no answer, or maybe I just have to embrace that people are always gonna be weirded out by me?

>>7216301
Dress to make your shoulders more in proportion with your hips.
Do ass/thigh exercises.
I saw a trans girl once who had very broad shoulders, but had a hourglass figure/wide hips/bubble butt. Was damn hot.
Your face looks female.

>>7210432
I'm the black tranny. Yeah, I admit that I may be delusional. I tend to think I pass shittily and people are only calling me female out of pity since they can see that I'm trying my best

>>7238652
Telling that to a bunh of hons. Apparently I'm not a hon and I'm super jealous, I can only imagine what the super fucked here think/react to this post.

>>7237418
post measurements and pictures.

>>7235763
Wrong

You need time for everything else to come together too. Fuck's sake your overall presentation matters not just one singular aspect.

This is why trannies that think they can just put on makeup and cover up their foreheads get btfo. Everything has to be in proportion.

>>7226665
lmao you should see the rest of my family

>>7239040
>Dress to make your shoulders more in proportion with your hips.
elaborate? interested in this cause im an autist and can't dress myself appropriately
>Do ass/thigh exercises.
I'm disabled :(
>Your face looks female.
K E K

Once I get to the point where I have no chance of ever passing even if I do take hormones, do the feelings get better or worse?

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>>7239839

>>7242670
Worse but some people are just the type who will never commit suicide no matter what

>>7242676
I want to die but then I don't want to die.

I own guns, have a car I could drive really fast into something, idk.


I feel like if I had a bottle of pills I could take a bunch of those and drink a lot and then die.

I'm just a pussy. I want to do it but maybe all I want is attention, but I don't want attention because if I had that attention it's not like I'd come out or anything.

I just wish I was never born.

>>7242680
If you're not ready to speak to a gender therapist, you could speak to regular shrink or just self-med

>>7242681
I keep thinking about self-medding but I'm just nervous and scared.


What if I'm not really trans and it's all a mistake (which is dumb I'm like 98% sure I'm trans) ?

What if someone finds out? What if my parents find out?

I don't think I really accept myself as wanting to be a girl, or maybe I'm just lazy.

>>7239787
You pass though. Lots of cis black women have masculine/broad features. You're certainly prettier than Whoopi Goldberg or Nina Simone.

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>>7242457

>>7216301
your face is fucking horrifying in that picture

you looked a lot better in other pictures i've seen of you

>>7243216
Genetics

>>7243295
usually "masculine as fuck" just involves some bearded fat dude who actually doesn't have very masculine face or body structure, and when the beard gets lasered off it's all fine

post an example

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how does this

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turn into this

>>7243323
desu they still look pretty gross

they're just hiding behind hat + rimmed glasses + makeup + choker

>>7243323
Still looks obviously male.

>another reddit hon just killed themselves
>i can't even come out


why are hons braver than me

>>7243382
they suffered more years of pain than you have

>>7243409
i've been suffering for 19 years


surely that's long enough

>>7243295
>>7243317
>>7243323
It's mostly about having a smol nose and fem midface.

>>7243448
>19
lol

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>>7243484
My hairline has receded rapidly since I was 18 and I grow thick facial hair now. I'm never gonna take hormones

>>7243216
>lighting and angles
pic online is not true test for passing

>>7243551
m8, I'm a paki

laser works and so does Duta

>>7243317
>>7243323
There is no difference between the two

>>7243626
i heard that it just grows fake plastic hair

or is that something else

>>7243851
That's Minoxidil, it's a liquid

Stay away, so much more negatives

>>7243716
passing is being able to function in real life and not have people notice/stare (or mock) you in public

>>7243626
I think my biggest problem is just confidence and self-esteem desu

>>7244449
>>7243889
Those are two different things.....being able to function IRL is 100% up to you. Not having people notice/stare (or mock) you in public may be impossible, based on what you are into. Goths, punks, alt girls, etc all have people do that to them even if they are born girls....

>>7244677
being a cis goth, punk, sjw w/ purple hair... is still more acceptable then non passing mtf

>function
ordinary things can be a challenge.
try standing in a line at the bank, grocery store, etc without having people stare, whisper, and feel weird because you don't pass

>>7245302
meant for >>7244532

>>7242996
I was in pretty much the same position. Ended up waiting nearly 4 years for NHS treatment just to validate myself somehow and to avoid taking responsibility for self-medding, realised after I got it that it actually told me nothing and the wait just ruined my body even more pointlessly. I hated the entire time I waited and my life was falling apart during it so it wasn't like that wasn't obvious either.

If you're really so sure then your doubts are irrational. You don't experience dysphoria like you (presumably, going off what you've said here) do without it being "real". Are you feeling any better at all for not transitioning? Are there any signs of the dysphoria permanently stopping?

>>7244677
It feels bad to be stared at; I would know.

>>7245302
>>7245309
I *have* been in those situations and being stared at and dealt with the whispering and humiliation. The only difference is it was due to other factors like choice of attire, hair color, piercings, and style.

idk what to tell you, other than to say that you aren't the only group who is negatively judged by society for being "different"

>>7247099
an inherent part of your being is different than a stylistic choice

>>7243311
This. Most of the not-to-hot transitioners were just unkempt, doughy guys with beards, but relatively androgynous cranio-facial structure.

You can't cure long face.

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>>7243160
thnx

>>7243178
yeah my face seems to change a lot from pic to pic even in the same lighting/angle/distance etc., it's always been like that
idk why I think it's my weird bone structure or something, sucks

>>7248860
I think your face looked weird there because it looked like parts of it were gaunt and part of it were a bit chubby, with no inbetween.

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Wow, a thread for me

>>7245671
>Are you feeling any better at all for not transitioning?

I am not feeling better, but I'm just so terrified of being open or coming out or having someone know, or being honest with myself about it, and hating myself because of it. I view myself as subhuman because I want to be a girl.

> Are there any signs of the dysphoria permanently stopping?

No. I usually can ignore it for the most part with escapism, not being around other people(especially females my age), and I have this weird mental disconnect with my body. Like I look at my arms while I'm typing and feel like they aren't even mine.

Of course I get periods where I breakdown and plan suicide and cry. In fall 2017 I'll be going to an actual college and then I expect my life to break down and I'll probably suicide, I don't think I can handle being around girls my age and people living their lives and having friends, all that stuff. Most likely I'll fail out of school then and then kill myself.

>>7249164
frig off
you're looking for bddgen

>>7225798
i think you are quite pretty ^-^
take ur time

>>7249247
Apparently being obese raises Estrogen

>>7249180
>I view myself as subhuman because I want to be a girl.
You want to be a girl because of a medical condition which you have no control over, and your shame is heavily influenced by social pressure. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to be a girl. About half the population wants to be girls. Wanting to change your body isn't wrong, especially when having that body is so uncomfortable that it's literally ruining your life.

You don't have to think about it from that angle. It's not just wanting to be a girl (or arguably wanting to be a girl at all), it's wanting to alleviate the suffering you experience, which can only be done by transitioning. Fuck the identity bullshit that this is so often tied up in; gender dysphoria is a known and documented disorder with one known working treatment. No-one who cares about you should begrudge you that unless they (falsely) believe there are viable alternatives which are better.

I was exactly the same as you with the dissociation and the jealousy and everything, and still am but to a lesser extent after starting transition (potential to pass is dubious at best, and it's early on so not a whole lot has happened; still feel like shit but better than before by a large margin). It also got a lot worse when I started university, where I was surrounded by happy, comfortable girls hanging out with their friends and smiling and living their lives and being themselves, who got to not hate their bodies and by extension themselves on a fundamental level. I scraped by my first year and catastrophically failed my second since I was too depressed to do much of anything and the jealousy and anxiety was too overwhelming to bring myself to attend classes and stay there (and I really did try). I Basically had no attachment to existence and didn't feel like a real person. Escapism was never really good enough though it helped, but it couldn't hold me together forever. HRT helped keep that under control and give me hope.

>>7249180
>>7249348
At this point I don't think you need to be convinced that you need to transition; you just need to overcome your insecurities. You can see all the evidence in front of you and look at an interminable number of accounts from other people who were in the same circumstances as you who need to transition (and possibly did and benefited from it), and know that it's obvious and undeniable you need to transition too, but the doubt will still be there. Don't expect some revelation where your doubt goes away, because there won't be one, just a point where you say "fuck it" and push through your doubts to transition anyway. Exactly how you're going to do that is going to be personal to you. You're going to transition eventually, so you might as well do it soon. I'd suggest taking small steps: look at the websites where you can order HRT from without necessarily actually getting anything. Plan out what you might get. Fill out the order form. Order it but don't take it. Take it but don't tell anybody.

You don't have to let anyone know until the changes become blatant. Is there anyone you care about who you have evidence will be unaccepting? Even if they are unaccepting you're not just going to kill yourself to appease them (or not offend them by seeking treatment for your suffering), because that's a terrible idea.

>>7247940
....no different than *choosing* to transition.

>>7249148
oh right
yeah that's a thing
I have a weird mix of huguenot, germanic and nordic genes so I looked plain weird even before transition

>>7249371
How heavy and tall are you?

>>7249380
6 ft 1 and 170 lbs
also I have a condition that makes my muscles basically have the consistency of flab no matter how much I work out (hypotonia) which makes my body look weird and melty naked

>>7249439
how common is that shit?

I'm 5'9 and down to 143 and still have a tonne of fat to drop

>>7206458
I would wife you

>>7249478
not awfully common, I have it because of brain damage

>>7247940
Right. I chose to have my hair dyed unnatural colors, I chose to have metal rings in my face, and I chose to paint my nails black and wear clothing best described as "alternative" or even "fetishwear". I understand that it will draw some unwanted attention. I fully understand the risks and I am willing to put up with the occasional negative attention in exchange for the ability to express myself for who I feel I am.

By the same token, if someone *chose* to grow their hair out, and *chose* to wear makeup and women's clothing, and *chose* to alter their body with hormones, then they fully understand the risks and are willing to put up with the occasional negative attention in exchange for the ability to express themselves for who they are.

>>7249247
>>7249254
or they were fat in the first place cause they had less T and more E

>>7243347
>>7243749
yeah there is big difference while the chin is still there, she looks feminine
now if she has a female voice and even semi-fem manners she'd pass, but if she has hon voice thats a killer

>>7249540
MtF Goth here

In case anyone is misunderstanding what they are trying to say, while the circumstances are very different the way it goes about is very similar. The word choice is used a lot but really both ways it's just "being" more than anything else.

btw I was mistreated for being a Goth way more. But then I was younger back then because I've been a Goth longer.

>>7249944
cause boys get shat on for any non-conforming looks and its not limited to gender

>>7250005
It's something wondering whether someone's acting that way because they've clocked you or if it's the same old shit I've been dealing with for a decade.

In a way though, it made transitioning easier. The reactions are pretty much the same so I've long since stopped giving a shit.

>>7250113
depending on where you live but you probably get more attention and disapproval being goth (or any subculture with strong visual style) than being a low-key not-very-fem woman

>>7250158
Well yes, pick any subculture that's considered "dangerous" or "sexual" and that's how it goes. It's socially more acceptable to disapprove of or harass people for their tastes than it is to harass "mentally ill" people.

Love your fellow subculture outcasts and freaks. They understand what it's like.

>>7250181
I envy them desu. I wish I was cis

>>7237436
>>7249241
>butt chin
>big wide nose
>wide shoulders
Don't lie

>>7250948
Why is that? How does being cis help? I suppose if you like being called "cis scum" all of the time.....

what's up my fellow hon niggers

>>7256094
because it's infinitely better to be picked on for a choice

>>7256094
Cis scum>tranny/hon

>>7243323
She got a better sense of style and complimented with accessories.

>>7256094
If that's all then pls I will take that

>>7238652
Would you rather look like a cute woman or a beta male with man tits?

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>>7249254
>be me
>be obese/fat kid until age 17
>get fit at 18, go to gym
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkHh7Cv0WUU


Damn it I messed it up

>>7194468
>18 is the earliest you can start HRT in the UK
>Not DIYing

pleb tier

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>>7194468
All y'all hons will be fine as long as you follow Kanye's workout plan.

Get you self a baller man

>>7249944
post pic

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>>7261102
Here you go anon it's me I swear.

>playing pokemon and moon

>>7262557
>playing it like a manchild
>someone sees me
>haha why are you a girl character with a girl name

the suffering never ends

>>7262557
>my 3ds got banned

>>7249522
jesus fuck you got dealt a rough hand in life. bad luck mate

I know a lot of you feel sad about transitioning late. But just accept how you are. I'm 23, 196 cm (6.7 inches i think), with a wide frame and i'm happy with how i am. I bet some of you would had suicided if you were in my situation. Acept who you are and be happy :)

>>7265723
Most of these people are just attention whores who can't imagine life without being a 8/10 girl, so just accepting themselves is a non-starter.

Just being a girl isn't good enough. They have to be a pretty girl, because what's the point of living if your entire existence isn't just people constantly complimenting you.

>>7265607
ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT BEING DOUGHY IS THE PERFECT FEMALE BODY SHAPE LOL

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>I know cis dudes who look more feminine than me

It hurts

>>7265751
I agree totally. I can't imagine a life just being a pretty face and a good body. I think i would had already killed myself if i didn't had a much MUCH bigger goals in life than being a girl: Although i want my SRS ASAP, i don't even enjoy masturbation with that fucking wiener down there (that's the only hell i'm living at the moment)


>>7265915
Kek, i do too. It's kinda funny

>>7194468
kek - these threads make me sooooo glad I'm just a gay dude and not trans.

You people are fucking toxic to each other - it's frankly astonishing. All the hate you get from the non-trans world in general and this is what you do to each other?

Lol Jesus Christ - maybe you are mentally ill after all.

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Kill me. 1 mont HRT. I'll just look like a man with tits.

>>7266129
Don't generalize man. And yes, be glad that you're gay, you don't have to spend a lot of money just to have fun

>>7265723
Thanks for making me feel better, I suppose

>>7266246
HRT doesn't do much of anything for your face, a little fat redistribution if you're lucky but nothing major

tfw
>crimson chin chin
>linebacker shoulders
>big ass nose
>caveman brow
>too tall (for you) (5'11)
>narrow hips
>fridgebod
>dadbelly
>tits look like moobs
who /total manhon/ here?

>>7268956
And this is why I won't transition.

people keep repeating that I would pass
when I have
A masculine brow, a masculine chin, a wide ribcage, hips not wider than shoulders, no waist, starting to look older day by day, etc

Who the fuck can I trust when it feels like I have no chance of passing?

>>7276350
well I always assumed you need at least some hips to begin with to be able to pass properly

even cis girls with thin hips look dodgy as fuck

>>7265607
tbf the upside is when I'm at skeezy parties I can tell drug dealers my life story and they tear up and give me free drugs and hugs

also all the welfare officers, mental health services etc. take my case seriously 'cause after one session with me they're always like "jesus fucking christ how have you not killed yourself, *I* would in that position" lmao

>>7266246
>1 mont HRT
plz
you have like 1% changes yet, doesnt look like you have a huge jaw, your nose is not good but its the easiest part to surgically fix

>>7276369
many models have shoulders wider than hips - basically tall skinny chicks or athletic low-fat ones, it works if you have slim waist, then you gain some fem fat on your ass/hips and youll be fine
passing is all about face and your voice too (unless you only plan passing on photos)

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Work sucks. Life sucks.

>>7266246
Fix the eyebrows, get better hair.

Look at the bright side my dear bitter /hon/ friends.
You can make cis girls and passing girls increadibly uncomfortable and even ruin their reputation with a few simple steps.
>get her name
>approach her when she's with friends (preferably males)
>"OH MY GOSH IS THAT YOU [name]? OH YOU LOOK AMAZING, I TOLD YOU YOU WOULD MAKE A FINE GUURL DARLING.
>when she looks all confused go "IT'S ME ALICIA FROM THE TRANSGENDER SUPPORT GROUP, REMEMBER?
>when her friends are all confused/shocked go "OH I'M SO SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE NOT OUT YET OH I AM SO SORRY"
>quickly leave
With these steps, and a bit of improvising, you can make her friends believe she's a closet tranny.

You'll still be a hon, but at least you got a kick out of spiting better looking girls.

>almost 25
>6'4"
>trying to lose weight before I'll let myself start HRT
I just know I'm going to be a turbohon but what other options do I have
already came a pull of the trigger away from killing myself and nearly lost my job the last time depression about it got to me

>>7276271
>hips not wider than shoulders
most women have this

>>7194468
So what's keeping you guys from going through facial feminization surgery?

>>7280322
FFS doesn't save everyone.

I actually just got FFS. My side profile is super feminine, I absolutely love it. From the front I look like an effeminate guy. Mostly because the swelling is still so bad it makes my chin and jaw look bigger than before even though I had reduction on both of those.

I hope to fucking god I will be fine once the swelling is down (I am not even 2 weeks post). It's hard to tell what the actual bone structure of my chin is like because it's so swollen and tender to the touch.

I don't want to be a hon. Please god let this FFS work and don't let me be a hon.

>>7276271
Only your real life experiences anon. That's what I'm learning. Sometime you just have to take the plunge and be the best you can be. You won't always pass but it might help you figure out what gives you away.

And honestly anon you need to get used to it too. It needs to be normal. Girls are more relaxed, and until you can relax you'll struggle.

>>7280322
ffs is a meme
like hrt, changes are subtle and only worthwhile if you were fem to begin with,

in which case you could have just cd + makeup = pass

pic is a cd w a WIG and makeup,
NO hrt, NO ffs

>>7280322
$30-40k USD is what keeps me. Same thing that keeps me from SRS. I want these things but know I'll never have the money.

So I just try to make do with what I've got. The best out of a bad situation.

>>7280348
I can't bring myself to accept "just pass with makeup". I mean look at any girl that puts on the full works. Look at her nose, it has the texture of one of those christmas ornaments. The line around her neck and torso sticks out to me like a red light.

I used to be mistaken for a girl by my voice in games when I was 16
>tfw i didnt come to terms with being trans until I was 23 an start hrt till 24

shit sucks yo

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>Tfw no bf

Thank you father

>>7212916
You don't pass for 18 I'll tell you that

>>7261128
You look like a man, oh no I fell for the bait, this is actually in fact a cis woman. Oh look at me now with egg on my face, how could I have fallen for the bait. The bait that was Anjelica Huston having a strong jaw.

>>7280340
>not even 2 weeks post ffs
>WAAAAH WHY DO I STILL LOOK LIKE A MONSTER
fucking retard
out

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>>7280348
dont exaggerate, all these thing absolutely do work, HRT especially, but they can only do so much
thus depending on your initial face you might pass with HRT alone, or need all FFS you could get and heavy makeup too,
or in the worst case nothing would save you from hondom

>>7281184
That gave me a giggle. I was just being silly, thanks for making my morning a little better anon.

How do I learn to accept that I'm a hon?
I thought about detransitioning, but that would just make me feel worse.

>>7194468
what the fuck is a hon

>>7281864
a non-passing male to female transsexual.

Should i just kill myself, or will it get better with the time?

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>>7281461
Hrt and Ffs are a gamble
This is my chin/jaw after hrt/ffs
Still pretty masculine it is

>>7281232
You can't tell me to get out, I'm a hon, I belong here.

>>7281864
First anon who replied to you is wrong. Hon really means unpassable, oblivious about it, and acting creepily in a bastardized stereotypical femininity. In the context of this thread hon means unpassable, as in not passable even after all surgeries and implants. However some anons have further diluted the term by claiming it is merely not passing or even not pretty. They are to be ignored, as they mostly come into this thread fishing for compliments and to raise their low self esteem caused by body dysmorphic disorder.

If you have enough money, can anyone pass with the right surgery and resources for transition? Im getting FFS with spiegel (inb4 bashing unless you actually have a critical, hes the only person whos decent and in network with BCBS anyways.)

>>7282310
who'd you go to? thats not that bad. just a little flat. its at least not super low. I have a feeling you pass albeit I dont want to pretend like these are perfect results.

>>7282748
No. The effects of HRT and FFS are not enough for some people. And then there's the body's bone structure.

The people touting HRT and FFS as miracles that allowed them to pass as cis are often total hons once they actually post their picture (see drewiepoodle on reddit, although I dont think she had FFS).

Whether or not FFS can make you pass depends on the proportions of your face. The best surgeons can turn a neanderthal forehead into something smooth, rounded, and feminine, but you can't fix longface.

>>7282897
genioplasty?

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>>7194468
hon used to be such a good word but you've ruined it.

hon = babyboomer who started transitioning when middle age. The word is a shortening of "honey" which is what hons call each other. A hon often have a very toxic attitude; For example advising young people to wait with transitioning for one reason or the other. Some even go so far as yelling at people that they're ruining their lives for transitioning at 20 instead of 40.

A young hon is someone who is influenced by hons. There was a great example posted some years ago of a young transitioner with the fashion sense and attitude of a hon. But they are very rare since hon is a generational term.

>>7282918
The issue I've seen is more with the distance between the eyes and the mouth. You can reduce the height of the chin, but there's no fixing that.

>>7283006
Sure you can shorten the length of the skin between nose and lips

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>>7282897
>skeleton
aint no ffs for your skull, shoulders, rib cage etc.

ITT: BDDgen, most of these pics pass

>>7206458
pass
>>7207546
pass
>>7211879
pass
>>7215642
pass
>>7243323
toxic tryhard bitch, but i'd go with pass (the jaw is a bit problematic though)
>>7249164
pass
>>7280498
pass

You guys are insane

>>7283276
how long until shoulder reduction

>>7283317
kys hugboxing faggot

>>7282760
Zukowski and I'm not really happy with the results

>>7285276
You're still in a better situation than most of us.

>>7282990
This desu

>>7285426
Am I?
If I can't be happy about, then I'm really not in a better situation

>>7282318
99% of this board is far from qualified to post in a hon general. in fact, this alone
>My side profile is super feminine, I absolutely love it.
>From the front I look like an effeminate guy
completely disqualifies you. get out

>>7286298
If I posted a pic (which I won't, I'm not stupid enough to post a pic on 4chan), you would understand that I belong here. My chin/jaw look massive. I know there's swelling as it has only been a couple weeks, but the swelling can only account for so much. I don't pass and once I am finished recovering I probably still won't.

>>7285706
Because you fucking pass, that's why. Either you have extreme BDD or you're just fishing for pity points.

I am 6 feet tall with 18 inch wide shoulders and the face of a neanderthal. My skull is really large and my facial proportions are very clearly male. I had full FFS and I just look like a weird andro rocker dude. I'm going to commit suicide next month.

At least you get to live a somewhat normal life. My only options are
1) Live as a man who had weird plastic surgery.
2) Live as a visibly trans turbohon.
3) Kill myself

Obviously I am choosing option 3. There is no fucking option 4 for me. It's insulting when you very clearly pass and you come into a thread like this, a place where many of us are truly fucked, and bitch and complain when you clearly have it much better.

I'm sorry you're not pretty enough for your standards. Boo hoo. I wish that was my problem.

>>7283680
>someone expressed an opinion that doesn't make me feel bad!
>kys hugboxing faggot

>>7286539
this

>>7286539
Why next month?

>>7286539

Sorry the miracle of science wasn't enough to fulfil your sexual fantasy, man. Can you kill yourself any faster?

>>7286539

Proof the grass isn't always greener on the other side hahahahahahahaha

Too bad you didn't just let the "I wanna be a woman" phase most guys go through end. You'd be a normal person!

>>7286539
How do you know if I pass?
Please stop making assumptions
I still look very masculine

>>7287709
I know it's you angie

>>7287948
How'd you know

>>7287191
There's people I want to stay goodbye to.

>>7287217
It's not a sexual thing for me. I've never really had a sex drive, honestly.

>>7287709
Before I considered transitioning, you were, believe it or not, one of the ones who was kind of inspirational to me. You may not look like a supermodel but you do look like a woman. And considering your starting point, I thought that was really impressive. Then as I hung around the trans community over time, I've watched you play these mental gymnastics where you claim to be some hideous man-beast, then post a picture of a girl. If you aren't passing, it's not because of your face.

>>7289460
pic never reveal what you experience irl
seriously judging someone (for good or bad) from pix is a mistake

>>7289499
Except the whole lighting/angles thing for taking a good pic... I can't even do that. There's a difference between being sort of non-passing and being a hon. This thread is for hons.

>>7282310
Wait, are you the chick from Reddit who says she still looks like a man after FFS?

If so, that's about as bdd as it gets. Not only are you passing, you're actually somewhat attractive.

>>7289443
I'm contemplating suicide as well, I guess in the end I will likely do it too. Hope your reroll works out for you.

>>7289443
What method will you be using?

>>7286539
20inches shoulders reporting in.
Killing yourself bc of this shit is childish.

>>7290233
I really only added that detail on as fluff. My face is the problem.

>>7286539
Pic? You probably pass better than you think. We tend to be our own worst critics.

Also, how long have you been on HRT, and at what age did you start?

>>7290320
I have been on HRT for 8 months, and I am 2 weeks post full FFS.

>>7290348
Oh yeah and I started at 24, I am 25 now.

>>7290348
That's not nearly enough time for HRT to do its thing. Many people report massive changes to their face from the 12th month onward, more than the first year. And 24 is still plenty young enough to get good results.

And 2 weeks FFS isn't nearly enough time for your face to settle in. You'll look a lot better after a few months.

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>>7290382
>tfw 15 months on estrogen and you still look like a man

>>7290382
I just have difficulty seeing it. I have a weirdly shaped skull, I always have. Like my skull is wide and my eyes are really far apart. I have weird proportions.

>>7194468
How do we define "hon" in this thread? What age/measurements are we talking about, here?

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It's never too late. Like someone said, all of our bodies vary greatly. I'm a late bloomer, always have been. I'm 26, and starting hrt soon. I also got ffs surgeons in my area, so yay!

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>>7289460
I just know how to take semi-decent pics but seriously, I look pretty masculine when I'm not smiling. My jawline and chin got messed, especially my jawline cause it sinks in due to missing fat
Here are other pics to prove a point
http://m.imgur.com/L3rsN4S
http://m.imgur.com/zDo3nZl

My face is still pretty damn masculine from the lips down plus I was an idiot and should have gotten rhino cause I hate my nose
I don't even look human anymore

>>7290086
Maybe, idk

>>7291074
BDD. You're legit attractive. What are you even on about?

>>7291074
God I wish I was even half as passable as you are.

>>7291108
Look at the back end of my jaw compared to the front end.
There is missing fat in the back

>>7291183
:/

>>7286562
giving people a pass when they don't is fucked up

>>7291074
were u really fat when u were a boy how did u get unfat everyone knows hrt makes u fatter

>>7238652

>a transsexual with nazi friends going into the trades

This is literally the pro-Trump demographic.

>>7294140
No it doesn't, you just have no self control