/HRTGen/ HRT General 011: 10 + 1 reasons to take Cypro

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>>6906967
fuck off from her

>>6906967
>sedative effect
Can we get a citation pls, famalam

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>>6907036
That picture accurately describes the future of trannies. Other than that said character is an actual fucking girl.

>>6907059
Why do you act like we don't already know this?

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>>6907089
For some reason it's like I'm trying to warn would-be trannies, from of the goodness of my heart. Or something.

Weird.

>>6907133
Too bad "warning" them does nothing to help them or make them quit feeling dysphoria. You're not doing anything positive for the new starters hanging around and any seasoned vets see you as a retard.

How long should I wait to start taking progynova after starting bicalutamide?

I'm barely producing any ejaculate when I masturbate, it's a tiny, tiny squirt, almost nothing

Only been on Cypro for 2 and a half months, should I be worried?

>>6907278
No that's a good thing.
It means your cypro is working.
I'm on cypro much longer and have either nothing or a single tiny little clear drop form at the tip.

>>6907144
The bad feelings they have won't be solved by destroying their bodies.

>>6907144
>You're not doing anything positive for the new starters hanging around
Hopefully hes talking some sense into them.

If you want them to start a transition that won't end well, and will leave them looking like monsters in 10 years, then you're the bad one here. They will end up killing themselves for ruining their lives.

>>6907508
Or maybe they'll enjoy themselves more than they do now. It's not like their chance of suicide is going to go down by not popping skittles.

>>6907468
That's why they need to hop on hormones. Why are you even hanging out in this general, you queer or somethin', ya faggit?

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can you smoke on hrt or does that fuck with shit (the boring kind just cigarettes)

just wondering

>>6907518
>It's not like their chance of suicide is going to go down by not popping skittles.
It actually will. If they get help, and use real medication to fight their depression, they could live fulfilling lives.

Popping "skittles" is just guaranteeing that they'll take their own life, sooner or later.

Again, if you want to enable them killing their selves, thats on you.

>>6907535
It's basically the one activity that can fuck your shit up more than anything else because of the super high risk of blood clots. They probably won't give you estrogen if you're a smoker.

>>6907546
You're the one suggesting they get on hormones here.
>If they get help
>and use real medication to fight their depression
What do you think the professionals do?
hint: they give them hormones

Lazy troll, 1/10 because I responded.

>>6907549
Yeah they'll still give you estrogen if you're a smoker.
t. eggsbert

>>6907551
Professionals only give them hormones when they cry to the doctor that it'll totally make them happy and start living their true life because a bunch of other people who took the plunge want someone else to ruin their life.

A real doctor will give you anti-depressants, and arrange a sit down with a psychiatrist.

Again, if you want these people to kill themselves, thats cool.

>>6907523
>destroying their bodies won't help
>that's why they need to destroy their bodies

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>>6907549
tfw been smoking regularly-ish for the past week because of depression while on estrogen

ohfuckohfuckohfuck

am i gonna die

Posted this in old hrtgen but no one responded so I'll post it here:

I want to buy from IHP but I can't into bitcoins. Can someone give me a rundown on how to make a bitcoin purchase?

>>6907571
you are already dead

But I'd only go panic mode if you have a family history of that kind of stuff. It's still not a sustainable habit.

>>6907571
I picked up smoking for a couple years in HS (HRT since 16). I smoked like just one cig a day for two years before quitting.

Do cardio, and if you feel strong ached in ya arms or lower leg ya need to STOP

>>6902408
bumping

>>6907556
>a real doctor
>implying 99% of doctors aren't real doctors

why do trannies take anti-androgens and all kinds of fucked up orals? wouldnt it make more sense ot just have your testes removed and start pinning estrogen?

>>6908113
Orchi is expensive, harder to get than pills and negatively impacts sex reassignment surgery.

>>6908113
Doctors and the trans people themselves are reluctant to hand out irreversible surgery to people just starting. You need antiandrogens or a castration before oestrogen can start doing anything to you, so if you're not getting a castration you have to take AAs.

Also the side effects of the AA generally aren't a serious problem. After many years they could be but there hasn't been much research into it.

>>6908169
Orchi costs $3k from a certain doc who asks no questions. It's only $3k because he asks no questions. Was $1.5k just a few years ago, but he got more popular and started charging more.

Orchis are hyper cheap, it's an extremely simple surgery.

>>6908227
I assume you're talking about some Canadian doctor? Anyway, $3k is absolutely not hyper cheap, especially if you're not living in a first world country. And that doesn't even include intercontinental flights and other expenses.

>>6908303
Nope, American.

$3k is cheap for surgery. Compare to the cost of SRS for example, or breast implants, or all sorts of other stuff. Fuck I once had some blood tests done in the emergency room for stuff entirely unrelated to this shit and without insurance the bill would have been over $4k.

For medical stuff, $3k is cheap. If you want to talk intercontinental flights, then book one to Thailand and get it done for $1k.

>>6908321
> Fuck I once had some blood tests done in the emergency room for stuff entirely unrelated to this shit and without insurance the bill would have been over $4k.
I forgot how warped American's view on healthcare is.

>>6908321
3k for medical stuff is cheap maybe in america only because even getting drove by the ambulance costs you thousands there.

>>6908509
It is objectively cheap. Anybody could obtain it. Third worlders could obtain it for even less money.

Eurofags must pay for elective surgery. If a guy there has gynecomastia and their mantits aren't large enough, it becomes elective surgery. If someone wants an orchi there without going through the proper channels, if they can even find a surgeon who will do it without some approval from some gatekeeper, it'll be elective and cost money. If someone from any of the countries who cover SRS wants SRS done by someone other than the designated surgeon/surgeons, it costs money.

They don't charge peanuts for it just because it's outside the US. Are prices inflated here? Sure. But just because you're not footing the bill yourself does not mean it costs nothing. If you ever want/need elective surgery, you'll see the costs yourself. $3k is no big deal.

>>6908543
You keep saying how cheap it is, but from economical standpoint compared to blockers it still isn't worth it if you're planning to get SRS within 10-15 years.

>>6908627
It's recommended to get SRS within 4 years of starting blockers IIRC, not that that even has anything to do with what I'm talking about. All I am saying is that an orchi is not expensive.
It is objectively cheap, and if one is not planning on le ebin SRS meme it's intensely cheaper and healthier than remaining on blockers forever. On top if this it's orders of magnitude cheaper than SRS.

Does anyone else have a lot more precum oozing out when horny, than before HRT? My ejaculate is pretty much non-existant though. But the amount of precum seems ridiculous when compared to before HRT.

Also I'm kind of surprised that I still get pretty strong erections even after months of 200mg of Spiro per day and estrogen patches. Not spontaneous or morning wood but I thought it would stop happening during sex also. Thanks if anyone knows something.

can qhi ship directly to my house? im in the US.

>>6908678
Yes. Its interresting and desu pretty hot, too bad im practically never horny now.

>>6908678
>Lots of precum, boners when you want them
sounds ideal if you don't want SRS, acceptable even if you do

>>6908678
I only ooze it when getting my ass pounded. When masturbating I ooze none and also ejaculate none.

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so like, suppose you've been doing [m -> femboy levels of] AAs and Estrogen, and for some reason you go broke and suddenly you stop doing hrt. what happens to you then?

If I want to present female, but still get erections, is cypro a viable option for me or is bica a safer bet? Would I be less femme on bica?

How long does it take for semen volume to decrease considerably? Im 1 month in and nothing seemed to have changed in that regard. Am on Cypro if it matters.

how do i order from qhi?
should i use a prepaid card and not ship it to my home?

>>6908971
Your changes slowly go away. Depends on how long you've been on them and which meds in specific though.

>>6908543
we can get orchi for about 1000 $ in europe with a letter from psychiatrist, with proper person being on hrt is enough to get you such recommendation

and this 1k is still too much for me at the moment. I'd rather pay less then 100$ for over 3 months worth of hrt with -70$ refund from the very same doctor who gives me prescriptions without asking questions.

in fact, if I really wanted to make sure I will never produce T again, injecting CaCl2 into my balls is much cheaper method and doesn't get rid of balls physically

I've been on 50 mg of cypro per day for 2 years and my T level are ok, yet there has been absolutely no change in my body hair, and my libido has not gotten that much lower (it is significantly lower, but it's nowhere near being nonexsitant). Some cis-women have excess body hair because their bodies are androgen sensitive, could it be that I have a similar condition and should increse my cypro dose?

>>6912327
if your T is in female range, then there is no need to increase dosage, just stop fapping and laser the hair away

>>6912347
> just stop fapping
I could, but is there any reason to?
> laser the hair away
Most of it is too light and I don't have that kind of money at the moment.
>then there is no need to increase dosage
But could it change something?

>>6912392
if you don't fap, while on hrt, your sex drive will diminish. I presume you want to lower your libido?

Increasing dosage won't change anything other then putting additional pressure on your liver.

hrt doesn't get rid of body hair, it sometimes makes it lighter which is what I presume already happened to you

>>6912404
>if you don't fap, while on hrt, your sex drive will diminish. I presume you want to lower your libido
I don't mind it at all. I mentioned it because I thought that it may prove that my body is sensitive to androgens.
>sometimes makes it lighter which is what I presume already happened to you
No, it didn't. That's why I'm worried.

>>6912404
Also, androgen sensitive women take anti-androgens to reduce the body hair, so I thought than increasing my dose could work for me.

>>6912432
you can't be androgen sensiblahblahblah if your T is in female range

they take anti androgens because their T spikes up too high for one reason or another

>>6912436
You're simply wrong. That have increased hair growth DESPITE having normal hormone levels.

>Many of the women I see in my practice for increased hair growth have normal hormone levels; they, and often their doctors, find this baffling. If your testosterone is normal, but you shave daily, does this mean that hormones are not involved? This question is one I am asked over and over. The answer is clearly “no.” Hirsutism is always due to testosterone stimulating the hair follicles. Why then do many women with hirsutism have normal levels of this hormone? The answer is that some people have hair follicles which are extremely sensitive to testosterone. Think about body hair on men. Some have a little and others have a lot even though their testosterone levels are similar. In women the situation is the same; whatever their testosterone levels, those with more sensitive follicles have more hair. Hair follicle sensitivity to testosterone is the single most important factor in increased hair growth.

>>6912404
Lots of people report losing all their hair below the neck on bicalutamide

>>6912590
What's the average dose?

>>6912623
The jury seems to still be out on that one. It has a very long half-life so some people take 25mg every other day. Others swear by 50mg daily.

>>6912647
And others swear by 50mg every other day

>>6912687
What exactly makes it kill body hair so efficiently?

>>6912694
Dunno m8.
I don't even take the stuff. That was my first post in the bicalutamide discussion that's been going on.

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For those wondering if asset chemist is legit. Also pic of their packaging.

>>6912750
Also their 100mg cypro tabs are stupid easy to split into 50mg doses

>>6912789
>100mg cypro tabs
How much do they charge per tab?

>>6912878
65 pounds or 85 dollars for 84 100mg tabs. So about a dollar a tab, or 50 cents per 50mg split tab.

I was DIYing 50mg cypro and 6mg progynova, but now my new endo has switched me to 10.8mg zoladex and 100mcg patches.

I know zoladex is fantastic, and that absorption is supposed to be better through patches, but I'm worried about my e levels on this dose.

When I was on 2mg progynova, my e level was 171pmol/L.

Am I just kind of fucked until I can up my dose in six months?

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Does weight play a factor in HRT?

I'm a fat fuck (5"8, 240lb, used to be worse) and I was prescribed 50mg spiro twice a day(my T levels were already below male average) and 4mg estrace twice a day. 8mg of estrace in 1 day seems really excessive, pretty worried about it, especially hearing people who start with very low doses (if any) before ramping them up.

I just thought maybe that the high 8mg dose is to compensate for my body weight, but I'm not sure if that's actually a thing really.

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I just had sex for the first time since i started taking progesterone
Does it really make sex this intense, or is it just a placebo effect?

Copy & pasted from my other post:

>trans (MtF) but too inert to do anything
>pretty masculine face
>5'6
>21 years old
>family are anti-trans
>went on hrt for a bit when I was 18, felt good, but people found out and it ended extremely badly
>very angry with almost everything in the world (primarly men, women, liberals, muslims, SJWs, the Japanese and redditors)
>objectively don't think I have much chance of passing
>mental health problems mean I'll probably never get a legit hrt prescription, would have to wait years for one even if I could (UK)
>self-medding is easy to start but easy to fuck up
>extremely lonely, attracted to men and women but my views on them mean I hate nearly everyone and am disgusted by interacting with people
>despise the online mtf community; reddit for being sjw idiots making trannies look bad and sugarcoating everything, 4chan for being catty and bitchy and absolutely horrible to trans people who don't fit the right mold
>autistic, find it hard to socialise
>basically really feel bad not transitioning and feel like I have to start even if it doesn't go well

What do?

>>6913251
one 100 mcg patch is about the same as one 2 mg pill
so if you were on 6 mg oral, generally speaking 3 100 mcg patches will give you somewhat equal levels

>>6913451
you shoudl be more worried about the spiro dosage

50mg is nothing

>>6913733
It seemed reasonable since my T was 259 ng/dL (range 348-1197) and free T was 11.9 pg/mL (93.-26.5)

I guess in the end I'll see in 2 months with my next lab test if 50mg of spiro x2 is good enough

>>6912687
And others swear by 100mg/d

Does anyone here know of any research in estrogen receptor isoform distribution in facial adipose tissue? Or, at least, personal experience with facial fat distribution while on a SERM that blocks breast growth?

I keep getting sudden nosebleeds while on 4mg progynova, is this normal?

>>6913713
Just take 50mg Cypro, 4mg Esrofem, you will feel much better :)

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>>6914802
oh no your blood presure is too high, and you are gonna die

>>6915004
o fug :DDd

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>>6906967
I have a serious question. Would it be possible to take both Cypro and Bica alongside an Estrogen?.

Body hair and male pattern baldness are major concerns for me, so bica would be really good, but I don’t want to keep testosterone in my system. Right now I am self medding 50mg Cypro, 4mg Estrofem, and prescribed 1.25mg Finasteride. And my doctor is trying to tell me to take 5mg of finasteride, which I think won’t help at all and so don’t want to do it. I asked him about dutasteride but he said it was way more expensive.

So I am thinking If Cypro kills my balls and in a couple months I can lower the dose to 25mg, I could probably afford to buy bica to take as well, then stop taking finasteride. Is this a good idea?

>>6915050
Well, you are having two AAs at once, a class of drugs known for potential liver effects.

>>6915050
Bicalutamide blocks DHT as well as testosterone and every androgen extremely well across the board. The only place it can't get it done is in the testes where the concentration is super high. There's no reason to taken cypro OR finas/dutasteride if your taking bicalutamide unless you plan to get an orchi down the line.

>>6915108
but i dont want to have male sex drive or male brain in any way and i read cypro also has progestin effects

>>6915167
Bicalutamide does go pass through the blood-brain barrier in humans, so you will not have a male sex drive or male brain. Maybe it obstructs the drug somewhat, but a higher dosage should deal with that easily and likely be less harmful on the liver than doing two different AAs at once. You can use actual progestin instead of cypro, likely, for that part.

>>6915189
but Bica cost way more than cypro so was thinking i would take a low dose like 25mg daily

>>6912694
>bicalutamide
>What exactly makes it kill body hair so efficiently?
It is mainly an AR receptor blocker, but isn't perfect. Some DHT may dislodge it. My guess is triggering of the AR receptor is needed for body hair growth. That would eventually cause body hair loss as current hairs eventually die off.

>>6915262
You would seem to be primarily concerned with taking bicalutamide to stop DHT. It would seem that both bicalutamide and dutasteride are expensive here.

>>6913700
I get horny and turn into a cock hungry slut whenever i take my sublingual estrogen, as soon as i get that sugary taste i go rapid and start sucking on my fingers like they are dicks, and then i masturbate my prostate until i cum

when we are having this much fun who cares if its placebo or not...

>>6915469
>It is mainly an AR receptor blocker
So is Spiro yet it doesn't cause you bodyhair to die.

>>6915708
>You would seem to be primarily concerned with taking bicalutamide to stop DHT.
Is it better at that than cypro?

>>6916368
cypro kills your T, so its kills DHT too

don't listen to bica bullshitters take cypro or even spiro like a normal person

Just received my first dose today:
>25mg spiro
>2mg estrofem

I notice conflicting reports on suggested dosage, where the OP pic differs from the infographic which differs from prescription doses.

What worked out best for you just starting out?

>>6917545
I meant to clarify, like, how do you split your daily regimen?

>>6917545
you mean, 250 spiro?

>>6917720
25mg per pill. Planning a daily regimen around 200mg to start, and I'm just asking about the best way to break it up throughout the day.

>>6917752
take it twice a day, no need to split it more

hell, once a day would be okay too. But I used to take it twice a day back when I was on spiro and my T was in lower female range(or below it)

>>6917972(you)

until, one day, my T came back to male range and well above it within a week. I don't know what happened but it broke me and I've been on cypro for years ever since. The worst that ever happened to me on cypro was T skyrocketing to higher female range-again, without reason-but it's not the same as spiro suddenly not working

>>6917985
Where do you get your Cypro from? Not that anon but I've been considering making the switch after my current Spiro supply starts drying up.

im on 200 mg spiro and 6mg estradiol valerate pills per day, is that the highest dose? or can i take 8mg? i just switched from 10mg injections per week

>>6918171
6mg is the highest you want to go. I have never heard of anyone for any reason ever go up to 8, thats going to be unhealthy on you.

>>6918142
the doctor, with proper prescription

>>6909062

Anyone???

>>6918393
for me, I lost semen within first two-three weeks taking 200-500 spiro every day in desperate attempt to kill T asap

>>6918393
On 25 mg cypro I was ejaculating just few clear droplets after 1-2 months.

>>6918421
Thats... like, cancer patient dosages. U cray gurl.

>>6918431
Ok thanks for the info. Defs am gonna ask my endo to TRIPLE my dosage. Fuck.

10 mg does nothing, i tell you.

Hello, I have a question
How do you cycle progesterone? Do I simply start taking the pills and then stop after a certain amount of time and resume again the next month?

>>6913095
Not bad. I take 25mg/day so that would be nearly a year's supply for me. Do they take visa/mastercard?

>>6918437
it's nothing compared to chemo

what's the cheapest way of going androgynous w/ cypro + some sort of estrogen? estradiol looks mad pricey

>>6918920
take it 10 days every 28 days

>>6918977
>tfw my endo went absolute madman and put me on 20mg ev im a week
I'm probably in pregnancy levels, but my skin is so soft, and I love my boyfriend and I'm really horny~

>>6919145
Didn't mean to quote tho

>>6918977
Estradiol is super cheap, where are you looking?

>>6918977
Estradiol valerate injection vials are hyper cheap through ADC. Name is progynon depot. Next cheapest would be progynova oral pills.

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Thoughts on GnRH antagonists as a form of AA?

For example there is intramuscularly administered degarelix:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degarelix
>23-61 day half life

And there are some oral GnRH antagonists currently in clinical trials:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagolix
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relugolix

This sounds like a more effective way to block T than outcompeting it for androgen receptors. Why isn't this more common?

>>6919343
Currently they are expensive to self med and also many of them have yet to have their patents expire, meaning there are no generics. Lupron would be an example of this.

So unless someone has either a lot of expendable income or good insurance, it makes it a bit difficult to use them.

>>6919434

Ugh, intellectual property.
Oh well, maybe in a few years?

>>6919454
2018 for lupron IIRC, but it'll take a while for generics to come out after that.

I just started taking bicalutamide by itself, how long until it starts doing stuff and what would be the first thing I notice?

>>6919661
It takes about a month to reach peak concentration in the blood, iirc. I've been on it for about two months, and haven't seen much change as of yet. I have noticed an improvement in my skin, and more fat in my face, but I've also changed my diet, so idk.

>>6906967
how long does it take for hair to start growing back on hrt?

>>6921510

I've heard like a few to 6 mo or so, but I'm not sure exactly. Are you on finasteride?

my endo started me off at .5 mg estro/100mg spiro, then doubled the doeses at 6 mos
should i be worried? these seem low af

>>6922011
I've never heard of someone going low as .5mg a day

You are right to be concerned, thats incredibly low

>>6922048
does it matter that i weighed like 115 at the time? i'm not sure if that's pertinent or if my endo is just like pill-starving me

i have a shitton of estro though, i could just up my own dosage from 1mg/day to 2, but like, should i?

>>6922048
what? im taking 4 mg esto a day, isn't it a standart dosage?

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Hey.
I recently got another brand of spiro from QHI (see pic). I used to get the green generic ones. Anyone tried these? Same shit different package?

>>6922062
4mg is standard yes, but point five mg, or 1/2 of a mg per day is very low I mean.

>>6922119
sorry, misread

also 100 spiro is too low too

>>6918946
Yep. Just 'invest' in a good pill splitter. I have broken one of my 100mg tabs into 25mg to see if I could for later dosing, and you can. It just takes a bit of patience.These pills split really easy without crumbling to powder.

>>6922115
In the leaflet there's the name and adress of the manufacturer and MA holder. Please post that.

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I've been on 4mg E & 200mg spiro for the last 7 months, I take it with food and I have not lifted weights or done any heavy lifting in the past 7 months. So why the fuck am I still so muscular? It's making me so miserable, even though my face passes flawlessly I still look so weird in girl's clothes because my body is so muscled.

>>6923300
It takes awhile to loose muscle mass. It's likely best to run a slight caloric deficit, but stay active. That way the muscle mass you use will stay around, but the rest will go.

>>6923759
I've considered that but I'm also afraid of impeding breast growth with that.

>>6923300
CARDIO
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Lots of it, get biking and jogging, GO

>>6919145
Watch out for that btw.. my endo put me on the same thing 20mg/week, my prolactin levels went pretty high...had to lower my dose to bring it down to prevent Prolactinoma.

>>6909212
bump

>>6921510
I'm on a gnrh-a and my hair regrowth is so solid that my left side has completely grown back, my right side has halfway grown back. I'm 4 months in. I noticed the regrowth at 2 months. My sister thought that all the short hairs at the front of my head was proof that I was cutting my own hair, not that my hairs were growing in.

>>6906967
why am i laughing so hard at this image?

>>6924721
how do you know if your prolactin levels are high?

>>6923300

You could try bicalutamide? Apparently it causes faster muscle atrophy.

Does progesterone cause people to ejaculate? After 4 months of having female level of testosterone (28 ng/dl) I still ejaculate the same amount, and I'm wondering if progesterone is to blame.

>>6921965
ya im on finasteride, Cypro, and estrofem

>>6926500

What is your cum like? Clear and sticky or white and clumpy?

>>6924766

What are you on specifically and at what dose?

>>6924768

Maybe because it was made by someone with little to no understanding of how HRT drugs work.

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Hey I've been on HRT for like 6 months now, can I switch from Spiro to Cypro without getting b& by customs? (In the US) And preferably without dying due to abruptly switching medicines?

Also I've been on like 5mg of Finasteride a day, I'm in my early 20's but I was worried about my hairline (probably for no good reason) I know now that 5mg is like the dosage for prostate cancer or something, can I just start taking 1mg/day right now without bad stuff happening? I feel like these these are questions I should ask an Endo but I can't because I live in a red state and LOL I'M JUST DIY.

>>6926725

Why cypro over bica?

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>>6926728
Because I'm not hip on the new anti-androgen-of-the-month. Enlighten me senpai?

What does this magic ball-shrinking space drug offer me over its competitors? Any downsides in comparison?

Please spoon feed the helpless babby on 2 hours of sleep who is awake at 6am. I'll research it if you make me but I'm hoping I don't have to.

>>6926738

It has less side effects, has a half life of like a week, doesn't directly halt spermatogenesis (fertility), and it's arguably stronger and better at blocking androgen receptor activity than spiro and cypro.

But really look it up yourself too. If you would take a drug solely based on a recommendation of a 4chan post then lol.

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>>6926748
I don't think you understand how tired I am, and how gone my fucks are. But yea you're right. Also I had some original questions here >>6926725
I suppose I'll instead ask can I get EITHER Bica or Cypro in the U.S. without getting my name shitlisted or items seized by customs?

>>6926759

I don't know much about finasteride dosages but cypro isn't FDA approved in the US, but bica is.

>>6926759
Oh also forgot to ask this as well, how do I go about switching medication? Do I need to ween myself off one AA and then start taking the other? Or do I just suddenly take the other stuff instead one day?

>>6926766
I see, thanks. That's one question down mostly, I suppose I won't worry about whether I can get Cypro or not if Bica is just better.

>>6926769

You should probably cross taper them, I think.
Bica is relatively safe but with cypro maybe slowly build up while simultaneously dropping your spiro over a few months.

I just switched from spiro to bica after reading about it but I'm still taking spiro for a while, planning to reduce the dosage to zero after a while of being on bica.

stop it NOW

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>>6926788
No.

so i came across the hair thread on the main page by chance and someone suggested dutasteride to the OP as an alternative to finasteride for hair loss.
and i looked up some side effects and...


> sexual problems (such as decreased sexual interest/ability, decrease in the amount of semen/sperm released during sex),
impotence (trouble getting or keeping an erection),
testicle pain or swelling,
increased breast size, or
breast tenderness.


>increased breast size
o.o could this be beneficial for mtfs?
the list of side effects sound like hrt in general too

am i missing something? would it be good as far as getting girly to be on hrt and duta together, for tits and stuff?

Does HRT change anus colour?

>>6926794

I think mine has gotten somewhat lighter, but I don't look at it much.

>>6926793
Yeah, people say the same stuff and about Fin and trans people

Negative effects for cis-men but complete opposite for trans-women

>>6918354
Yeah, but how would you get it in the US? It's not cleared by the FDA.

>>6927218
I don't know, I'm sorry

>>6926833
why not? :o

>>6927223
Thanks anyways Anon!

>>6927218
Order it from the site, it won't get seized

>>6927226

I don't really masturbate with my butt and I don't think anuses really look good or interesting lol.

>>6926793
You should note that the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme also metabolises a couple of neurosteroids.

I personally wouldn't touch the stuff. Make sure you are informed before taking finasteride or dutasteride. IMO there is a possibility of permanent mental side effects.

>>6927380
>Make sure you are informed before taking finasteride
w-what? anon pls no scare
i've been taking finasteride for a week now and now i'm scared ;-;
i'm taking it for hair loss though
care to explain more?
and could i really use this as part of hrt treatment?

>>6927380
;_;
>permanent mental side effects
like what
cocklust and the usual hrt feels? thats fine if so but if it kills/makes me more unstable then meh
i just want mpb/balding to stop

most people say its safe but others say its not so idk

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>>6927794
https://discord.gg/8yMDtbv

lewd discord for all you cuties out there :3
come hangout!

>>6924772
blood test

>>6927968
are you sure that recruiting everyone from this board into one giant discord is a good idea?...
there seems to be a lot of inter-board drama from thread to thread
unless you're in it to watch the world burn, which i would also like to do

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I've been on 200mg spiro and 4mg oral valerate for 2 months and I have yet to see a single change besides puffy nipples.

Everything is the same.

my endo said it's fine to take the whole daily dosage of progynova at once
e.g. all 6mg in the morning, is he retarded or does this work?
doesn't really matter for me now as i switched to patches but i'm still curious

>>6928122
It'll work, but theres some hints to that spread out over the day has marginally better averange levels.

>>6928135
okay, he looked at me like i was retarded when i said i took 4mg in the morning and 2mg in the evening

>>6926713
It's clear and sticky.

>>6928455

Hmm then I wouldn't worry too much. But I can't say why.

does bicalutamide affect facial hair?

>>6928103
tfw no puffy nipples yet

I've got 16.5 inch shoulders right now, I also lifted weights for a good year up until a while ago

How small do you guys think they can get?

Any other ways to boost blood pressure while on Spiro? I'm slowly getting worked up to 200mg by my doctor and i'm sitting at 90/53. But already at 4mg Oral estradiol (Might be moved to injections soon!)

>>6930539
Forgot to add, Other then Water and Salt

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I hear all the time that HRT does have some effect on the face, but I literally never get a proper explanation let alone some "before and after" pic that isn't heavily biased. Only a "it gets puffier" but that explains nothing to me.

Is it even true? At all?

>>6931191
i don't know, i heard instead that HRT will always be more effective on your body than face

personally HRT improved my face and made it younger looking while doing nothing to my body

>>6931191
my face looks puffy and overweight-ish even tho my bmi is middle normal

needless to say, also more feminine, especailly under certain angle. But ive been on hrt for years....

>>6931205
as for body, I don't know, because I don't like looking at my body. i do have deformed tits tho

>>6931232
>i do have deformed tits tho
you mean like conetits?

>>6931232
>>6931205
Well that's good to hear, gives me some hope.
My face look good mostly but from certain angle I'm extremely clockable, I need my cheecks puffed up.

Is it possible to order finasteride in an EU country without going to the doctor/getting a prescription?

>>6931191

http://www.virtualffs.co.uk/Hormonal_Effects.html

Where can I order bicalutamide online if I live in France ?

>>6930256
please respond

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>>6932356
Well, its not like you can change your skeleton. But yeah, if your arms are less beefy, that will make a difference, I guess.

One of my cis friends has broad af shoulders, and she passes okay imo.

>>6931191
Basically, the hallow part of your cheeks fill in with fat. Then the diagonal lines on your face fill in too.

Are there any UK anons around that might be able to help me out?

Basically im an AGP guy that badly wants to become the qt trap I know I can be. Im currently a NEET on benefits unable to afford the monthly costs for HRTs. Im considering going to my doctor to see if I can get prescribed some through the NHS.

Now my questions.

Im not looking to go all the way with SRS until there is a better alternative around and would prefer to keep a mostly functioning penis. Would this be possible or is this a one way trip to my dick being a shrivelled up almond?

What is generally the best for fat redistribution/breast growth but also avoids above if possible?

For the anons getting this through the NHS what was the experience like? What did you talk with your doctor about?

Anything you have to offer would be a great help. :3

>>6933753
bicalutamide should leave your dick working fine with regular masturbation.

>>6930256
it depends on how much is muscle

>>6933753
>NHS
not UKanon, but oh god do NOT touch the NHS, they will fuck you over and take years doing it.

>>6933753

If you really have no money maybe get a part time job for like 2-4 hours a week. HRT doesn't cost that much.

hey /hrtgen/ i'm a really fucking desperate position so please help me. i made my own thread a few weeks ago and was told to post here instead so.. er.. yeah let me explain my situation.

i'm a european recently gone to the usa for college. problem is, my crazy parents forced me in a religious shithole of a college in the middle of nowhere. this college has no lgbt support groups or clubs and no local resources. i have no car and can't drive and even uber and lyft are not supported in this hellhole.

i plan to transfer next semester though, as i've convinced my parents to let me for the most part. but i want to start hrt until then so i'm looking into self medding. i know i can buy hormones online but i'm not sure where to start. considering i can't even leave the college, i probably can't get blood tests either. i'm a bit concerned based on what i heard self medding can do so i want to be super careful with this. i also have high cholesterol (sadly hereditary) so idk if that will increase any risks. does anyone have any advice as to where i could start in the slightest? even a tiny dosage of estrogen could help. i just don't want to get any more masculine.. i'm already disgusted at my body as is.. and i feel it'll only get worse. i'm 18 and mtf if that info helps at all..

>>6934868

Fug I feared that might be the case.

>>6934913

The bennies im on is job seekers. Stuck in a shit area atm struggling to get a reply out of anyone.

>>6934550
Not THAT muscular but they've got more than the average person

>>6934938
What state anon?

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Hi /HRTGen/
I wanna move down from 8mg E to 6
I usually do 4 mg every 12 hours
How should I break up my dosages at 6?

>>6933753
>>6934868
>>6934952
http://bytenoise.co.uk/oh-for-fucks-sake/mascara-and-hope.pdf

>>6935783

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

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>>6936520
Yeah, I added a column below, in the order section, and tallied it with the total +taxes.

They still haven't replied since I sent the email over the weekend. I'm not sure if they're just slow, or if I need to send it again because they forgot.

>>6935731
texas

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>>6930256
>tfw 17"shoulders and impressive traps for never working out

>>6937747
same tbqh
i still am confused about how i ended up looking like an adonis even though i never worked out in my entire life

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>>6937755
It really sucks because theres nothing you can do for shoulders and everything cute will fit wrong bc of them

So its been like 6 years and my fat distribution leaves much to be desired. Its partly genetic but since I lack the more feminine bone structure its more noticeable. Is there anything that I can do about it? Additional hormones/supplements(other than progesterone) that I can take? Or should i just swallow 12mg/day of estrogen and hope for the best?

>>6926725
>Also I've been on like 5mg of Finasteride a day, I'm in my early 20's but I was worried about my hairline (probably for no good reason) I know now that 5mg is like the dosage for prostate cancer or something, can I just start taking 1mg/day right now without bad stuff happening?

Take 1,25 mg Finasteride daily. Even 1mg would be okay since more of it does not contribute to more. You can google studies about this.

>>6927672
Don't be afraid, anon. I've taking fin for over a year now and have no side effects at all. On the net you can find things like "post finasteride syndrom" but considering how many men (it's after all a drug for men mostly) are taking fin for years without any negative side effects you'll be safe!

>>6937989
something i did notice was that i got immediate erectile dysfunction, but i've been told that goes away as the body adjusts (maybe a few weeks)
i am also considering doing the bica + raloxifene/estrodiol meme though, so hopefully those three don't make my outie become an innie, or make my blood unsuitable for my body
also i can confirm that the prescription amount (that i have, anyway) is 1mg per day. i only weight around 130lb (~59kg) though, if that matters.

>>6938045
Fin makes me dizzy and it seems to be a common side effect

>>6934938
>>6937059
;_____; no one's responding.. i guess i'm fucked then, right? should i just kill myself?

>>6938238

Well, my bf bought progynova and bicalumatide both from the inhousepharmacy-vu listed above so i know they are legit. He takes a low dose tho (femboy) like 25mg of bica every other day. I think like 1mg of progynova a day, might be .5 not sure. If you're trans you'd probably at least take double that. Check your blood pressure at walmart or wherever they have those free machines like CVS or walgreens.

>>6938333
>progynova
>bicalutamide
>bf
top kek

is it best to take hrt meds with food? or does it not matter that much?

>>6938238
High cholesterol miight be an issue, though supposedly estrogen lowers LDL so maybe not.

>>6937747
I just tried to measure mine today. Assuming I did it correctly I'm at 17.5
I'm only 5'4!!!!
Life is suffering

A lot of people have showed to me why I should wait to get any hrt prescribed. I've only been on spiro for 4 days so I accept that I shouldn't do it.

But what do I do about the dysphoria in the meantime... it feels like a hard punch to the gut any time I'm envious of a girl at this point. I was hoping to cure that feeling but I'm told not to. Wtf do I doooo

>>6939238
what lies did they tell you?

>>6939238
>showed to me why I should wait to get any hrt prescribed
care to explain?
you could try cutting out time spent obsessing over it, maybe finding something else to focus on
there's more to this life than genders and pills, as hard as it may be to see that right now
/mtfg/ may be able to help with this feeling, but i'm not so sure they have healthy coping habits

>>6939273
That I have no clue what I'm doing. It's hard not to believe them really.

>>6939282
I'm okay with any kind of coping.

>>6939282
And it's not that I'm obsessing over it, it's just always on my mind because I can't stand any masculinity anymore

>>6939292
HRT is super fucking easy, I know more about it from self-medding than any doctor within 30 minutes.

>>6939292
try to stay away from destructive habits like eating or cutting if you can, at least
these will only hurt you in the longrun

>>6939301
>it's not that I'm obsessing over it, it's just always on my mind
>obsessing: to dominate or preoccupy the thoughts, feelings, or desires of (a person); beset, trouble, or haunt persistently or abnormally
i do get what you mean though

>>6939304
how do you know if you will react adversly to the chemicals though? that's my major concern
i don't want to accidentally overdose on potassium or get osteoperosis before 30

>>6939323
depends on how nosy your parents are, mine's just in a desk drawer

potassium RDA is fucking high, like 4-4.5 grams, just don't eat 10 bananas every day and you'll be fine.

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is it safe to go diy if i cant get regular blood tests?
i wanna go bica+raloxifene route. i figured i'd just start with very low doses and slowly work my way up. but i also dont wanna die so.

>>6939361
I'm in college so my parents aren't a factor. And is that the potassium rda on spiro? If so wow. I've never seen a quantitative estimate

>>6939347
Explain the "hurt you in the long run" aspect
Honestly.. I've never understood the stigma of cutting. For me it's like one of the best coping skills

>>6939410
at least get one eventually. and only start one drug at a time in xase you have a reaction

>>6939413
Stop cutting you fucking retard

>>6939428
Is that your reason

>>6939413
that's the normal RDA, for spiro I dropped to 2-3g and no issues

>>6939413
overeating: makes you fat, making you less attractive overall
being fat is terrible for your health, hopefully no explanation is needed there

cutting: makes you scarred, making you less attractive overall
regular cutting can increase your chances for infections and generally isn't good for the body

a very general overview of both

>>6938520
Yep, 18 months on it. Only wanted the smooth skin and tits - got more but liked it. Kek i guess?

>>6939238
They'll speed up the process if you tell them you're already self-medding.

>>6939667
Is this true tho

>>6939946
There's going to be tape and bullshit at every turn still but they're less likely to make you see a therapist for ten years.

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Does anyone know what type of orchi did Sarina Valentina have? I am asking because all orchi results I have seen look botched/ugly but hers looks decent.

>>6939207
so then.. can anyone here recommend which type of estrogen and blockers to take and how much?

>>6940139
I'm in USA by the way

>>6938520
>wah wah nobody can pop muh sacred meds without being a mentally ill freak like me
Some people just want to be a freak, not a mentally ill one.

>>6940165
Typically one just gets a normal orchi and if they don't like how their scrotum looks after a year or so (it shrinks a bit) there is the option of going to a plastic surgeon and having it reduced or smoothed over.

>>6940497
100mg spironolactone or 25mg cyproterone acetate for a month. spiro is probably safer if you can't get tests, cypro is less annoying (have to drink lots of water and watch potassium intake on spiro).

if no problems after a month, bump spiro to 200mg (cypro is pretty powerful, 25mg will be fine unless you're heavy, and cypro can be tapered off over time since it permanently fixes t production) and add 2mg estrogen (progynova or estrofem)

after another month, bump estrogen to 4mg if nothing bad happens

should note that I had a few awful puke+headache days in the first week of spiro and e but I've been fine since, gotta acclimate.

>>6937941

>12mg/day of estrogen and hope for the best

Do not do this lol.
Just eat more you anorexic fuck.

Has Spiro caused any digestive or GI issues for anyone here?
I've been experiencing some GI issues that started a few months after beginning Spiro so I'm wondering if the two are connected. Symptoms in particular include hemorrhoids, blood and mucus in/on stool, constipation, particularly large stool. It could be something else of course and I'll be seeing a doctor soon about my condition, but in the mean time I'm curious if anyone has experienced similar.

>>6941134
From someone who spent a year on Spiro and then switched to cypro, just fucking buy cypro. So much less bullshit side affects.

>>6941413
Dehydration from the Spiro causing butt problems dummy. Drink more water.

>>6941423
>>6941134 here, seconding. Only reason I didn't is spiro being cheaper off-script. when I finally get through to an endo I'm going to push for cypro since I can get it covered.

>>6935783
12 mg in the morning and -6 mg at night

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>>6906967
Sry for reposting but I want to reach as much people as possible and get as much info as possible. Please don't be mad.


Uhm, I want to start self medication and read the pastebins from >>6874050. The general info page says there are about 6 different relevant substances. ~You all know them~ progesterone finasteride dutasteride etc...
According to Regimen I only need to buy Spiro (or cypro after reading through this thread) and estrofam. Is this really all I need?

>>6942102
yes

>>6941004
>going to a plastic surgeon and having it reduced or smoothed over.
plastic surgeons do that?

>>6941134
considering i can't take tests yet i'll just go with spiro. thanks for the advice :D

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>>6942110
>>6942102
Which cypro product should I buy? I heard androcur/procur is decent.?

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Retoast from femgen

so considering doing porn it an easy way to save up for ffs. However my regiment was 100mgs cyproterone and 4mgs estrogen. Now I have some a cups but the thats not a huge deal my problem is going into porn you kinda need to cum alot.

So would stopping cypro and taking bicalcumide or however you spell it help my cum production go up or should I figure out a way to fake it?

also is there a way to feminize myself super quick cause it's been 9 months and I'm not all all happy with face results. might need ffs inb4 tranny I'm just a guy okay with having a cups

>>6942171
im taking androcur

>>6942183
no, if its already gone its gone

also im taking 50 mg cypro and my T is in female range so maybe 100 is a bit too much?

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>>6941157
As someone who has a super high metabolism this is true I used to be 120 at 5'11 now I'm 147 after eating more huge portions. Eat where ever you are hungry and try to eat above 1k calories a day it didn't do much for my face either tho everything went to my hips and im thinking I'll have to be 165 before I get cute cubby cheeks.

>>6942189
I dunno probably for my liver lol I split the doses now and it seems to be better I just want to feminize like super quick I'm on a low dose of e tho bout 4mgs thinking of adding progesterone soon cause I've heard it can make you curvy increase sex drive and round out boobs.

Oh I'm at 9 months BTW not sure of that makes a difference.

>>6942117
If you find the right ones, yep.

>>6942206
you won't feminize "like super quick" if you take more of it
that's bullshit my man

>>6942198
dude fuck off you don't have a high metabolism. If you did like me (I'm 110 lbs) you wouldnt be able to gain weight at all. I've tried everything, I can eat 2000+ calories a day and still not gain any weight.

>>6942215
Aw I guess I killed my dick lol thankfully the boipussy is intact should I switch for body hair loss cause cypro has done shit for that. not that I'm especially hairy but I want the happy trail and hair on my arms and leg gone.

>>6942226
I was your same weight in high school I followed the exact advice I said and taking hormones helped me gain weight to I guess. You might want to get that checked out like hypothyroidism can cause a huge metabolism or parasites tho I'm pretty sure you'd know if you have those so best bet go to a doctor and if you determine nothing is wrong I dunno save for ffs?

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Did anyone switch from spiro to bica?

How was it?

>>6942232
get on finasteride/dutasteride perhaps?

these bad boys block DHT which is the shit responsible for happy trails and androgenic hair in general

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>>6942301
How should someone dose these?

>>6942248
I've been to doctors, I don't have anything wrong with me, I've been this way my whole life and hormones haven't really helped at all. I dont need ffs but I'd benefit a lot from thigh and boob fat

>>6942315
Fina 1mg everyday (you can buy 5mg pills and take quarters of 1,25 for cheaper) and in the case of duta 0,5mg everyday

>>6941426
I drink plenty of water but I hope it's as simple as I need even more and haven't been getting enough when I work or something. My uncle has Crohn's so that's the scary possibility.

>>6942232
Bicalutamide blocks DHT too. Fin's side effects aren't worth it.

>>6942529
All AAs block DHT technically, doesn't mean fin can't help.

Hell there are people taking both finasteride and dutasteride for maximum DHT nuke

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>>6942432
Thanks and thanks to everyone helping here. You're all marvellous.

>>6942529
Is there an info graph for this drug cause I'm already on cypro and don't want to take two anti androgens I'm pretty sure the progesterin in cypro helped me get my a cups. Also what are the side effects of fin I legit thought it was only taken by balding hons and know nothing about it.

Also is there anything that affects facial hair like at all?

How long till body hair loss on bica?

>>6906967
well shit. inhousepharmacy only accepts bitcoins and echecks.. i have neither so what the fuck do i do?

>>6942691
qhi.co.uk takes visa and mastercard

>>6942691
Holy crêpe that's creepy.
A-are you me?
I just asked at /g/sqt how to convert paysafecards to Bitcoins because I have the same problem.

>>6942737
you don't convert money to bticoin, dummy, it's not a currency. you buy bitcoin, or portions of one, from someone else.

>>6942802
Ouh I always heard about it as "the crypto currency".

Wait inhousepharmacy doesn't ship to germany?

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>>6906967
Please I need a pharmaceutical website that ships to germany

>>6943236
Assetchemist?

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Looked great but pic related pops up when i try to buy something.

>>6943511
Just keep going

>>6943511
tell them your doctor's on vacation, they have no way to verify that

worked for me

>>6943567
but ill need to buy there again they wont accept the excuse frequently or do they?
what do i need to write under " Is the request for medication exceeding 28 days" ?
and what about "I will email or fax copy of my repeat refill form or pharmacy label." ?

Hope rises

>>6943585
it's literally just to cover their asses, I have a second order on the way

same thing for both fields, and they send without getting the label

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>>6943607
aah thanks.
uhm did you just check no for "Is the request for medication exceeding 28 days"?

>>6943626
I checked yes, doesn't seem to matter.

>>6943652
wait or did you just say you have a prescription here <pic>
this thingy came when i picked prescription needed...

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>>6943672
shit because of umatrix i cant delete my posts...
with pic related i ment the one attached here.
aaand with this thingy the pic from >>6943511

>>6943672
if you say you already have a prescription they want proof. gotta jump through the "I need a prescription" thing and its fee.

Is the site in the OP the only place in the uk i can get this stuff. Im looking into starting bicalutamide for its lesser dick killing properties but it doesnt seem like that site sells it. Are there any other distributors in the uk that I can get these from?

>>6943697
Assetchemist is also in the UK, see above posts. Pretty sure they have bica

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is Pueraria Mirifica + maca a good combo to femboy?

>>6943705
Any sites that dont require a prescription for it or is it just a regulated drug that i cant get without prescription?

>>6943681
ah mh looks like they dont have estrofem. Progynova is said to be not as good (source reddit..). may you let me know what you use?

>>6943732
Just progynova so far, there's not that much of a difference beyond hon myths

>>6943714
What's maca? And no. Bicalumamide and raloxifene is the femboy regimen (it's explained elsewhere in the thread): minimal testicular atrophy and loss of fertility, a lot of the feminisation effects of oestrogen without the breast growth.

>>6943786
kay thats soothing
did you give them your real phone number?

>>6943796
Where? CTRL+Fing ralox didn't do much for me

>>6943805
yep, they've never called it though, you could probably give them a fake if you're worried about parents picking up or something like that.

>>6943859
once my number got registered to some payment crap but well theyre hopefully trustworthy~

>>6939426
i did plan to do that in case i react to them negatively, but if i was hypothetically underage, i dont think i would be able to get a blood test specifically for checking T and E levels.

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>>6943859
you really helped me alot thanks beautiful anonkun

>>6943968
just doing my part in the War on Testosterone ^~^

good luck!

>>6943796
thanks!*, maca is natural estrogen (more on the butt/area. one of the areas that i want to enhance) and can increase erectile capacity. so yeah i kinda prefer natural alternatives. i did enjoy this first try out 3 months of pueraria. btw there's no alternative to the loss of fertillity?
>>6943813
care to elaborate? but don't forget every person/body reacts differently

>>6944041
uhhh
I was trying to find the aforementioned femboy regimen by looking up the mentioned chemicals but couldn't find it

how long does the shipping take from inhousepharmacy if you're from the US?

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>>6944055

>>6944165
if someone wants to use this prescription dodge method a postbox is necessary?

>>6944211
No, the guide assumes you live with others and are trying to hide the pills

>>6942802

How is that different than converting currency?

what changes will taking an AA by itself cause?

So I just started hrt and I'm taking cypro 25mg and progynova 4mg. I started noticing the regular changes bust for some reason now my ody hair is coming back and growing faster is this normal should I up my doses?

>>6943697
QHI has bica but you have to request it from them, they don't have it listed.

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>>6907680
Do you own a google in your home anon?