>20 years old >2.5 years on spiro/E >30" underbust,

>mfw mtf and id have her face with a smaller chin and brows

>>6890191
why are you still presenting male 2 and a half years into hormones?

by not being passable, retard

>>6890424
im 2.5yrs HRT aswell and i still present male....

>>6890439
this

people don't suspect anything and probably see me just as another dude

>>6890467
okay but why
isnt the point of taking hormones to live/present as female?
after a year its hard to believe one isn't capable of passing

>>6890488
not OP, but....yea, i dont pass.

>>6890191
A giant sweater is a must. If you get a really gross giant sweater no one will want to come near you when you work out. It works like a charm.

>>6890191
>2.5 years on spiro/E
>Not full time

Girl...you either do it or you don't. There's no more significant changes coming

>>6890507
shut up, easy mode passer

go shove your patronizing attitude into your cis female-looking butthole

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OP here.

>>6890409

>mfw mtf and id have her face with a smaller chin and brows

>doubt.jpg

>>6890424
>>6890507

I have extremely high standards. I want to be able to look and sound like a cis girl while sick or hungover, in baggy clothing, with no make-up and my hair tied up.

I just don't see the point in presenting as female if other people can tell you're transgender. They'll just view you as a weird dude, and if you're content with that then why not just stay a feminine man and avoid the inevitable abuse.

>>6890499

This is what I've been doing in the winter. But we regularly get 110+ days in the summer here (Sydney) so it's not really a long-term strategy.

>>6890488
how fucking deluded are you? are you 16?

>>6890653
They can always tell. What you want is perfect imitation but that alone means you will never be genuine or give genuine signals.

>>6890666
Calm down maybe anon just isn't a man hon that doesn't pass even at 3 years of their best effort.

>>6890688
if you have to put in effort, you don't pass

>>6890666
No, I'm a 25 year old who started hrt at 23 and went fulltime after a year on hormones
>>6890688
you know, i will never understand the people that
>think hormones alone magically make them female
>refuse to put any effort into passing/attempting to pass, and are perpetually in a state of being a man on hormones because they cant pass....and they cant pass because they wont use any effort
>expect to be an attractive woman and they dont want to be female or go fulltime unless they're attractive

whatever.

>>6890679

What I want is for someone to tell me how to hide my fucking boobs! :O

To the posters above me.. do you seriously think EVERYONE can pass if they try hard enough? That's bullshit.

>>6890732

If you need makeup or hair-styling to be gendered as female, then by my definition you don't pass.

>>6890732
>implying you can hide your man skull and jaw or fucked up body with "effort"

im sorry but it's not that easy

>>6890747
>If you need makeup or hair-styling to be gendered as female, then by my definition you don't pass.
>makeup
>hair-styling
fucking lmao
you'll always be a man then.
>>6890746
passing=/=being atractive
most anyone can pass. you all are conflating passing with being attractive.
>>6890755
alright, guess i just lucked up on genetic then.

>>6890811
>passing=/=being atractivemost anyone can pass. you all are conflating passing with being attractive.
I am not. A lot of people can't pass for an ugly woman. People will know something's off.

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>>6890811

>fucking lmao
>you'll always be a man then.

I'm sorry, what? Do you actually think a person who doesn't pass can be made to pass just with those two things?

>>6890867
Not him but as a matter of fact yes. Hairstyle specifically is much more important than people think.

>>6890943
Not that person but
>tfw went bald at 22
WAKE ME UP INSIDE

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>>6890943

But what happens when you go to the gym? Or to the beach? Or if it's windy/rainy and your hair gets messed up?

What happens when you go to bed with a guy and wake up looking like a fucking man?

>>6890978
your not trying hard enough hun!!

>>6890488
5 years in. Still boymode. Hormones don't reverse the deformity caused by male puberty.

>>6890978
>What happens when you go to bed with a guy and wake up looking like a fucking man?
I dunno ask your mother.

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>>6891050

hahaha le epic win XD

>>6890732
You realize you can still do everything possible and still not feel comfortable to start presenting, or just don't find yourself ready right? Wish I had this sense of naive confidence, but some of us want to be perfect rather than look like a retard trying to publically figure shit out as we go along. OP is doing the right thing long term if stealth is what they are trying to achieve. I've been on mones for 1.6 years and my hair and skin routine alone take me 2 hours everyday. I still practice walking, mannerisms, and speaking everyday as well, but I'd never go full time unless I passed/look good 100%. Going full time when you're still practicing is stupid. Most of us don't expect to be gorgeous, but we act like women, and like women we have extremely high standards for how we want ourselves to be perceived.
>>6890747
This all day long

Anons keep posting average looking cis women in passing threads and they don't pass according to /lgbt/ That's all i have to say.

>>6890191
shaved pits ಠ_ಠ

>>6890653
Nobody cares about your high standards, there are plenty of unattractive women and if you've been on hormones for 2 1/2 years it pretty much stops at 3 so it isn't going to get that much better.

You need to accept you aren't going to be a 10/10 woman and being a 6/10 or 7/10 is okay and just be yourself.

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>>6890191
Hello there

I was specifically told to come here from this poster.

>>88578356

Your're all a bunch of degenerate AIDS spreading faggots, whoring yourselves in the public eye for attention. You need to all go back inside the closet, lock your mentall illness in there, and bury the thoughts deep down. Its not going to make you a pedophile, its not going to make you kill someone, and it can only benefit society as a whole.

If you have a problem with this, consult pic related.

>>6890191
you will never be passable until you present female
you learn stuff from it that you need to pass

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>>6892661
Woah! All those typos! Let me help you out.

>You will learn to adapt, learn to conform your behavior to the heteronormative, or else perish in fire.

>>6892684
yeah basically that

>>6890488
If you got fucked enough by puberty and prenatal testosterone, you can completely saturate your bloodstream with estrogen for 20 years and nobody would even suspect abnormalities except for your boob growth, psychosis, and deep vein thrombosis

>>6892705
>boob growth, psychosis, and deep vein thrombosis
Hey that has a nice ring to it lmao

Have you considered writing children's literature?

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>>6892705
>mfw I didn't even have boob growth, just psychosis

>>6890737
Get a binder, only wear it when you have to wear one, and when not wearing it go with what you do now with sports bra and layers.
t. fellow tittie monster

>>6890952
>started balding at 15
Get on my level

I think I'm gonna kill myself

>>6890747
I'm a cis female and I definitely don't pass without make up or gendered hair. I'm pretty average with both
and it's not like uglish females aren't the norm

>>6890191
Whose this beautiful woman?

Looks like Jennifer connoly, my waifu

Being a man on hormones is why I'm scared to take hormones.


People can see and sense a disgusting tranny after several months on hormones, and I don't want to be that tranny.

Better to just be a man, at least people won't make fun of me.

>>6893460
>People can see and sense a disgusting tranny after several months on hormones,
not really

>>6893460
Not really after 6 months of hrt people just think I'm a cuter twink and son't suspect me of being trans even when I make statements that would make it obvious, cis people can be pretty oblivious to this stuff

>what is male skeleton
Hip and shoulder widths, and many other differences make it impossible for a male to have natural female mannerisms.

>>6893360
Post a picture.

>>6893325

I don't want to hurt them though :(

>>6894546
you have to decide
either bind them or show them

>>6893460
Being a man on hormones should not scare you.

The part that makes what you're thinking of (hons) gross and creepy is when they STYLE more feminine than they ARE, or when they try to use makeup to change their base femininity.

Just dress and act appropriately, and it'll be fine.

No matter what, you on hormones will be (if only infinitesimally) cuter and more (genuinely) feminine than you without hormones, assuming you dress and act the same.

>>6890737
baggy clothes

Binder

bra that fits under your natural clothing curve

>>6892633
>not knowing how to quote across boards
Lurk moar

>>6894546
You won't hurt them, stunt their growth, or make them misshapen if you don't do it regularly. Aside from that there is nothing you can do but follow the old tricks of layers, baggy clothes, and sports bra. That's it.

I personally kinda just say fuck it most the time and only wear a binder for things like job interviews.

>>6893344
when I was in junior high school people were telling me I have a horrible hairline and I'm going to be bald

since then I regrown my hair with hrt, minoxidyl, mezo, finasteride

and now, there very people who told me such things are in worse position then me as far as hairline is concerned

>>6897205
>tfw watching all your peers slowly bald while you only grow more hair

>>6892576
>6/10 or 7/10

that's a pretty high estimate

>>6892576
How delusional are you that you think 1. That trannies get upset because they aren't 10/10 instead of because they look like men, 2. That being 7/10 or even 6/10 isn't beyond the realm of possibility for the vast majority of trannies, and 3. That "be yourself" has ever constituted advice in any situation?

>>6900418

>That trannies get upset because they aren't 10/10 instead of because they look like men

This a million times.

>>6893460
being a man on hormones > being a tranny

>>6890666

Nice devil trips