Who do you plan on voting for /lgbt/? (strawpoll)

>>6868876
I'm going with Clinton.

I honestly fucking hate her, but it's gonna be her or Trump, and I realize that nothing will change based on who becomes president. But in the end, at least if we elect Hillary, then America will only be laughed at half as much as if we elected Trump.

>>6868883
Are you the other bisexual male voter here? OP here (bisexual cis gendered male) and will be voting for Jill Stein, simply because I know the state I live in will vote for Hillary.

>>6868889
Aye.

>>6868883
I'm not american and I will laugh at America when Hillary gets president, sorry, I really like america and its people, but Hillary is a no-go. She has already proven to be unworthy.

Trump has a positive record and is healthy. Overall he is know worldwide as a competent buisnessmen and knows people and their culture all over the world. He is experienced.

Hillary looks like she's dying soon, very unhealthy. Her emotions and her mannerisms are obviously all fake, she's not likeable in any way. It's hard to even watch her. She laughed madly when she invaded Libya and was a total mess as foreign minister. The former foreign minister of germany - Guido Westerwelle, a gay man - was all against her and her eager of war mentality; when he sat next to her at UN you could really feel how uncomfortable he felt. Nobody outisde the US likes Hillary (except the media that gets paid for liking her).

Obama was supposed to change what other countries think of america. Look what he has done! Even G.W. Bush did not hurt the image of the US that much. Everybody cheered for the first black president of the USA in 2008, now everybody knows that in the US the racial tension is ridiculously stronger than before Obama. Hillary said that she wants to continue the incompetent Obama agenda.

Trump's image was not good at first. People laughed at him because he was a total outsider in the presidental race. The bribed media - even the foreign bribed media - tried hard to discredit him. But they failed. And they did even recognizd that they failed lately. The reports on Trump are changing to be more and more positive.

And even during the peroid of anti-Trump propaganda people were either neutral or liked him. Everybody I've talked to about the upcoming election in the USA was favourable of Trump or at least neutral.

I'm not american and it's your choice, not mine. But I can tell you that Hillary is looked down upon. People are excited to see Trump win the election.

>>6869109
Trump is way more charismatic then Hillary
and he can be pretty shrewd when it comes to controlling a roomm and even some ways he attacks her
but there are times when he just shows how much of a buffoon he is

Anyone who votes 3rd party is an idiot.

>>6869190
you are free to think that, anon

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>>6869205
Why even waste your time? Just don't vote at all.

>>6869109
>Trump has a positive record and is healthy.

You just want Trump in there to cause America's downfall as a nation. Everyone in America hates Trump.

>>6869235
voting is your civic duty or something yada yada....
I dunno
they are on the ballot and I agree with them the most, that's how a vote is suppose to work right?
I have kind of resigned myself to the fact that the result of this election isn't gonna be good either way. So I am looking past one election cycle and hoping the more votes for third parties will help them receive national prominence and recognition, as well as federal funding.
and if nothing else I voted for what I believe

Bisexual tumblrgender here for Gary Johnson.

>>6869190
>Anyone who votes 3rd party is an idiot.

You're the idiot for thinking third party votes can do any damage in any but the most closely contested states.

>>6869190
>Anyone who votes 3rd party is an idiot.
I'm not wasting my vote by voting major party in California, Clinton has it on lock anyway

>>6869386
Same in Mississippi. Triggering the apocalypse is guaranteed 60% of the vote. If I'm in the other 40%, does it really matter who I support?

>>6869400
mississippi will go red, but is closer than you think it is
there was a long stretch where on 538 it had a higher chance of being won by clinton than the election itself did of being won by trump
third party is only viable in the blue states and a very couple intermountain west states, in the traditional red states clinton is the only option to ensure trump's loss is completely humiliating ('look dude it was close in MISSISSIPPI')

>>6869424
being close doesn't do anything

voting for Johnson is the real embarrassment

"Dude, he came in THIRD in New Mexico" - THAT would be hilarious

>>6869442
well, yeah. new mexico is a special case, and for different reasons montana and alaska are also special cases
vote libertarian there (i'm not a libertarian but the greens don't have a chance kek)

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>>6869293
Nope lol, you're the idiot because you didn't read >>6869235 .

My point is that it won't do any damage. It won't do anything at all, just shows that you waste time being deluded that third party candidates will win.

Sorry the old Jew failed at winning the primary. Time to get over it.

>>6869735
You realize that there's still local/state elections on the ballot, right? Those are worth voting for because they sometimes end up being close.

Your vote outside of a few swing states means nothing in an national election.

>>6869109
>I'm not American
>Thinks Trump is good for us
You're uneducated and I don't know what country you come from because no one outside of the US supports Trump for anything other than memes and hating America.

>>6869735
but I am not deluding myself thinking they will win

For anyone still voting for Hillary, think about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfE10g8xbc

>whats an aleppo

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>>6868876
Guys

You can tell pol whatever he wants to hear, but he'll never love you. He's straight, it'll never happen.

>>6868876
Do you always go to the cis straight board of Stormfront to do your gay opinion polls, CNN?

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>>6872058
Do you know how many "straight" guys I've fucked over the years?

>>6869190
Are you a Federalist or Democratic-Republican? If you said neither then you proved yourself wrong

>>6870302
Do you know who Roy Cohn is?

Do you know why he and Trump know each other?

Did you know that, together, they sued the US government 100 million dollars?

Did you know that they lost that suit?

>did you know that that the case was because Trump was telling blacks that he had no vacancies when he did

>did you know that you don't have to learn this shit on some red pill youtube channel, it is literally on roy cohn's wikipedia article

>did you know that roy cohn was the main prosecutor behind McCarthy?

>did you know that he was the main force that gave ethyl rosenburg the chair

>did you know that he and McCarthy also prosecuted gays

>did you know that roy cohn died of aids, living as a closeted homosexual his entire life?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Cohn

>>6872088
This
ive got a "straight" guy who likes to fuck me and play with my dick

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>>6869109
>people are excited to see trump win
This flies in the face of an astounding amount of evidence, I have to tell you.

>>6872225
Here's the source, still searching for the full article, I took that screen cap a while back
http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/29/2-obamas-international-image-remains-strong-in-europe-and-asia/ga_2016-06-29_balanceofpower-1-09/

>>6872225
found it
http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/29/as-obama-years-draw-to-close-president-and-u-s-seen-favorably-in-europe-and-asia/
and as for comparing Clinton to trump, overall 59% global respondents felt confident about clinton doing the right thing in global affairs, 27% don't have that confidence.
>only 9% of global respondents felt confidant about Trump doing the right thing in world affairs, and 85% had no confidence
That's scale breaking

>>6874089
Transsexuals seem to be far more pro-Hillary voting block than cisgendered LGB folk. This is probably due to he fact the GOP has become more vehemently anti-transexual over the last couple of months since the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage. (we can't kick around the gays, so let's target trans people)

Lots of pro-Johnson supports among bisexual men.

Bisexual women are firmly in the two party voting system.

Male to female transsexuals lean the most to the left in their voting, bisexual women lean the most right.

>>6869109

Trump is one of the most disliked people in voting history.

>>6874137
>Trump is one of the most disliked people in voting history.

Yes. Everyone hates him. I had one Republican tell me he would have voted for Bernie Sanders over Trump. I've seen people have their Trump signs stolen and ripped down. My parents are vehemently pro-Hillary.

>>6874151

I loathed him before this election and he's done nothing to warrant me giving him a second chance. I have no idea why people like this little bitch.

>gary johnson

lol

Why do LGBT support Trump when Trump supports Russia, where gay people are executed?

He's a literal fascist. Not joking, he's literally going to turn America into a police state.

>>6874217
>Russia
Funny way to spell Saudi Arabia.

>>6874107
Don't forget that this in no way represents lgbt people, just the lgbt people who browse this site. There's a huge difference there.

>>6872058
His head may be straight but his dick certainly is gay.

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>>6872088
>>6872124
If they're willing to fuck you then they were never straight you dumb cocky queens.

I'd die before I voted for Hillary, so my choices are essentially vote for Trump, Throw my vote away on a third party candidate, or not vote. For the purposes of this poll, my vote goes to Stein, though my actual vote could very well go to Trump depending on how I feel when I fill out my ballot.

>>6875866
hence "straight"

>>6874411
>Don't forget that this in no way represents lgbt people, just the lgbt people who browse this site. There's a huge difference there.

Yes I should have pointed this out. There was a survey that found 84% of LGB folks polled supported Hillary over Trump.

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>>6874192
Your kidding.

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>Live in Canada, get to laugh at this election shitshow

>>6868876
No wonder I get along with bisexual guys more often than I get along with other gay guys.

>>6868876
No one, they're all awful.

Johnson

>BUT WHAT ABOUT SYRIA
Fuck you, Johnson gaffed but it was a misleading question regarding nonexistent foreign policy. He's still miles better than anyone else.

>>6869190
I think you're an idiot. Going for 5% is awesome since it guarantees more funding.

Meanwhile what are you morons voting for Clinton or Trump getting out of it?

>>6868876
There is no way in hell I am voting for Trump especially since he just said, he's shoot Iranian vessels. This mother fucker wants to start a war with Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-idUSKCN11G01K

>>6869251
Speak for yourself

>>6876713
You know what they say about people living in glass houses? Your guy promised weed and instead gave bestiality and let your country burn.

>>6869251
Unfortunately no.
There are actually people who think this dangerously unprincipled and utterly inexperienced candidate would be better at a job that a career politician has been training her whole life for.

Our hatred of politics manifest in selecting terribly unskilled politicians. I wouldnt have a problem if the republicans were rallying behind any Jeb, Romney, or any other sensible republican, but they're behind someone who has been proving since day 1 that his only qualification for president is his willingness to promise anything and his outsized ego.

>>6877572
A candidate who has the same beliefs as me, plus a vote against a condidate I hate.
As a third party voter you only get the former.

>>6877624
to be fair i'd kill/capture the iranian vessels as well
>its the "u approach a heavily armed naval vessel" issue, i assume their sailors expect to die at any of these engagements

plus iran has almost no ability to retaliate, what are they going to do, target our navy? good luck. who gives a shit if they invade afghanistan or iraq. they'd acuatlly be doing us a favor if they did

>>6878921
I don't get trumps position on Iran.
He is all like "wouldn't it be great if We got along with Russia" "Russia is fighting Isis"
But for some reason he wants to escalate tension with Iran who is also fighting Isis and acts like Iran "controlling" Iraq is so bad when he himself admits we effed things up by destabilizing the country. If we don't want Isis and other groups to fill the vacuum perhaps Iran can bring some stabllity.
Why is he so open to working with Moscow but not Tehran?

Bifag who doesn't want to admit he's bi-fag.

Trump. I voted libertarian in 08, I think in 12 but I am revolted by them after realizing how they are all open-borders "let's turn the American lower and middle class into globalist peasantry to have to compete for table scraps with the third world because THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR IS GOD AND FRIEDMAN IS HIS PROPHET.".

Trump, boorish and arrogant and ignorant as he is, still presents a refreshing challenge to the Republican predominance of God and Gold present since 2000 until this election. Yes, he has had to cater to the establishment and the reactionary conservatives - that's the nature of a democracy. Only a tyrant coming to power by force can manage to completely flout the established order when seeking to change it. And aside of Pence as VP I like that he's not anti-LGBT.

>>6872225

>China has more confidence than Sweden

That's kind of amusing. That being said I don't really mind what the rest of the world thinks, particularly when it's such wise, enlightened individuals as the ones who've elected Mufti Merkel, possess the utterly broken civil society system of Greece or Italy. And "The right thing" in world affairs - right for whom?

It's right for Europe to continue to have us subsidize their military (something Obama and more than one of his Secs of Defense have complained about - but that's all, complain.).

>>6874217

Russia does not execute gays, they mistreat and persecute them.
Saudi Arabia executes gays and is a major contributor to the Clinton Foundation. As are a number of other Gulf and Islamic states.

>>6877624

Give me a sec senpai I got a book on this subject. Well, I'm too lazy to actually type out passages from the book but I'll synopsis it.

>>6878944
Iran makes an effective scapegoat for terrorism and the destabilization of Iran's government would open up cheap Oil to the west, that's why the US and Israel has spent decades provoking them.

Nevermind that the Shia nation of Iran would make an excellent ally against ISIS if they recieved western support; the boogeyman of their nuclear program is far, far more important to Republican interests.

>>6878999
I forgot to add to this is that Trump's position on Iran is the same as the Republican party's, essentially. For all he talks about "shaking up the system" he's lined up behind an enormous pack of "business as usual" republican ratfucks like Giuliani, Pence, and Christie.

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>>6877624

https://books.google.com/books?id=V0G9f35dK6AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=iran+shadow+war&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi5g7iKmYTPAhVJGj4KHXg9BY4Q6AEIKzAC#v=onepage&q&f=false

The jist of it is that since the Ayatollah took power Iran and the US have been in a shadowy pseudo-war with Iran, intersperced with periods of one party seeking detente while the other does not (USA seeking it in the middle late 80s and Iran saying no, Iran seeking it after 9-11 and the US saying no), a huge distrust relationship between the two of us, the internal complications of hard liners and moderates on either side.

The major part of the twilight war from the 80s onward was the Iranians doing this exact same behavior though usually going above and beyond by actually attacking shipping vessels from Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or laying mines in the straits of Hormuz. We didn't go pell mell blowing them up the second we saw them but we did take a much much more aggressive and hawkish stance - basically daring the Iranians to try anything, warning them that they will be blown out of the water if they approach within X meters.

And therein lies a problem exemplified by the disastrous capture of our sailors a year or two ago and a limp dick "plz stop doing this Iran this is very rude and dangerous" on the part of the present administration. Liberal IR theory is true in the case of Europe and in threads elsewhere but it is not in the middle east. It is a realist jungle, jackals pounce on you the minute you show weakness.

>>6878999

Oil is already cheap as sin, it's so cheap that it's hurt our domestic production. The fear with Iran is more about power-politics. Supporters of Israel fear the Iranians, either because they think they really would welcome nuclear armageddon to nuke Israel (which would also nuke the Palestinians they cry crocodile tears for, and the Mullahs of Iran are self-serving usual greedy nepotists, not martyrs) or because Iran threatens Israel's power projection and

>>6879016

threatens Israel in a bite here, a wound there. Which is totally valid - the Iranians do have a strong external terrorism/attack exporting apparatus. They bombed us at Khobar Towers, I believe one of their agents was the handler or responsible for the Beiruit 80s bombing, count the various attacks on the Israelis.

If the American isn't an avid supporter of Israel then they fear/dislike the Iranians because they have the ambition of being a regional superpower and not one that is in the odd "half vassal to us, half lord to us" that the Saudis and others are.

That being said I trust trump's longstanding disdain for foreign optional adventures overseas. Yes, he didn't say he was against the war before it happened - but literally a month or two afterwards, when it still looked swell and successful and easy, he said "the war is a mess" (march 25, war started march 19th), said in July 1st of 2003:

>I would love to see New York City and some of the cities and some of the states get some of the money that`s going toward Iraq and other places, because you know, they really need and it they need it badly.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/

Said 2 years after 9-11 if he was president he would have fought terrorism but not necessarily Iraq.December 15th after capturing Saddam he says while it's great a lot of people are questioning the wisdom of going there in the first place.

So it's really just a question of if the people around him can convince him to go on one of those future spurrious adventures.


By comparison I'm not even sure when the fuck Hillary admitted it was a mistake. When I went searching she was hedging responsibility during the 08 election, in 09, 10, 11, I think it's perhaps only this year or the last few years where she has admitted it was a mistake.

>>6879038

But on Iran, it's all a damn tragedy and why I had to stop reading the book I mentioned halfway through because besides being a touch dry for me it's terrible to see how two nations who are perfectly disposed to be strong allies and who have shown in the past a great affinity for one another (our TE lawrence didn't go native with the Arabs but with the Iranians - Howard Baskerville, who fought and died helping constitutional revolutionaries in Iran against the Qajars in 1909) are forced by circumstance to be bitter enemies. Without excusing Iranian terrorism against us at least it has occured within the context of a pseudo-war, and was not the delusional bolt from the blue of Salafist Jihadists. Our 3rd closest ally in the middle east is bar none the greatest exporter of jihadism and salafism.

And one thing the Iranians are going to have to be very conscious of once we burgers cease to be the police in the Middle-East or have an interest in Israel is what Ho-Chi-Minh or the black flags 70 or so years earlier observed regarding having Chinese help to kick the French out. "Better to eat French shit for 10 years than Chinese shit for 1000 years". We've been the enemy of Iran for +40 years. Russia has been the existential enemy of Iran for about 250 years. We desposed one leader, they have annexed territory in the Caucasus, Azerbaijan proper and Iranian Azerbaijan and invaded Iran more times than I care to count.

Then again I'd say that outside of US-Canadian relations there are no friends, only interests.