Are there actual feminists on this site
>>6852482
yes..... yes there are..... why do you ask ?
>>6852482
Yes, I am one. That comic is just ad-hominem.
Yes I am one
Used to be an MRA and thought that feminism is just overstated bullshit.
Started transitioning a year ago and over time began doing the usual appearance maintaining stuff most females do. I also began to be treated like a female in some situations by strangers and acquaintances.
I now see that most of the stuff feminists complain about is pertinent and damaging. I can see that being male is objectively better by a small margin (it used to be much bigger) due to the way capitalism and patriarchy intertwine.
Nowadays I basically just want to see all gender expectations disappear along with the concept of masculine/feminine essence. I would say I'm gender critical but not quite a TERF since some of those people are outright misandric and crazy.
I call myself feminist but I think the current model of third wave intersectionality has been hijacked by sheltered intellectuals and rich people pushing agendas for economic goals. True emancipation from this gender meme can only come from the bottom up, not by being directed from the top down by (((people))) who actually benefit from the status quo
>>6852482
Following the law that everything on 4chan must be the most horrible, corrupted version of it yes, there's a TERF contingent.
>>6852526
>I gave up being an MRA to become an antisemite
lol
>>6852482
Retarded comic
Yes, I'm a feminist. Gender roles created by a patriarchal hierarchy are responsible for disparate and unfair treatment of both men AND women.
Men on the internet are triggered by feminism, because rather than trying to understand it, they hear a phrase like "toxic masculinity" and assume it means that all men are evil or something
>>6852482
Anyone who believes in feminism is blinded by corporatism. Feminism has long since the 80's become just another rather obvious marketable product that millennials gobble up.
It's a soft form of consumable equality. They don't understand that the way to achieve true equality is stripping capitalism of power. Equality can not exist without the means of production being given to the producers.
But since feminists don't get that the patriarchy has turned into a consumable boogeyman they can complain about while conveniently ignoring the reality of class warfare, feminism has become a meaningless struggle against a brand that they themselves keep feeding by buying into it.
>>6852536
that's what seems to be implying, that masculinity has a toxicity that feminity doesn't
>>6852550
This is precisely why nobody takes "anti-feminists" seriously
So you seem to think that all feminists have the same ideology, or are you just triggered by the name? You seem to be the one who is more likely to an hero desu
>>6852536
>>6852526
>>6852506
>>6852498
EVERY FEMINIST SHOULD GET OUT OF THIS SITE. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>6852526
You said you don't live in the US, that's why you can sing praises to radicals who work hand in hand with the American religious right and tell the whole country that everyone nonconforming, gays included is a sexual predator who'll kill their kids.
It's made homophobia resurgent and the South is a huge mess for anyone lgbt now. Come out of your ivory tower and think about what pushing dodgy ideologies can do for people.
>>6852593
I won't disagree with you that the term might be unfortunate, but getting caught up with terms rather than MEANINGS is an effect of a really shitty education, more than it's a cause to reject an ideology.
For those who are unaware, "toxic masculinity" as a concept is not a labeling of all masculinity as toxic, but rather a subset of masculine traits which is deemed toxic, i.e. harmful, to men themselves. "Toxic masculinity" refers to particular traits like stoicism, glorification of violence, etc.
If anyone hears the phrase "toxic masculinity" and just refuses to listen because they think it's casting the entire gender as being evil or some shit, then their own ideologies probably leave a great deal to be desired in terms of reasoning.
>>6852610
>radicals who work hand in hand with the American religious right
[citation needed]
Are you referring to TERFs?
>>6852598
Debate me, you lil shit
Or realize you're a safe-spacer in disguise
>>6852614
yes, trans exclusive retarded fucks
>>6852612
There is nothing wrong with stoicism you mongoloid. Just because women and fags like to complain all day about problems doesn't mean that men should do the same. Men don't talk about their problems because they would rather not pay anymore attention to them or find a practical solution, they don't seek pity by complaining.
>>6852624
Oh, ok.
I kind of assumed you meant feminism at-large. I never thought about their perverse association with the religious right though, and damn, that is very nasty.
>>6852628
Did I say that every man dislikes masculine gender roles? I don't think I even implied that.
For something to be "harmful to men," it does not have to harm ALL men. What constitutes harm is actually quite subjective. Perhaps you should calm down.
>Men don't talk about their problems because...
Men don't talk about their problems because they are socially conditioned not to. Ascribing such social trends to a reasoned preference is to mistake cause and effect.
>>6852614
Yea,
And honestly, the way you overly idolize women and reduce them to being helpless unicorns who need your protection is kinda creepy. Ditch that mentality, please.
>>6852531
Not really an anti Semite, I just used the brackets thing as a catch-all for rich people backing movements for their own benefit.
I'm actually part Jewish myself.
And I didn't really give up being an MRA, I think that men also experinece a lot of shitty effects due to the patriarchy and the expectations placed on their gender is the main issue plaguing them.
>>6852610
I already told you I don't support extremists or homophobes. I wouldn't mind calling myself something else but I think that being critical of gender is a fairly good descriptor
>>6852639
>idolize women as helpless unicorns
I think I'm going to need an explanation on that one. Did you respond to the wrong post?
>>6852645
The way you go on about this kinda has those vibes. Maybe you don't mean it, but you aren't helping when everyone should be treated the same.
>>6852638
>socially conditioned
citation please
>>6852651
>The way you go on about this kinda has those vibes.
But all I said there is "do you mean TERFs?" I think this vibe is something you are probably just projecting, because I can't imagine how you divined that from anything I posted here.
>>6852654
>Culture isn't learned
Go back to school. I'll grant you that it's partly biological, what with hormone differences and all, but culture (i.e. the social) is a more immediate layer of existence than biology, and it usually trumps biology.
>>6852656
I meant your earlier comments
>>6852662
>NO link to a peer-reviewed scientific paper
opinion discarded
>>6852654
Boys are actually more emotional than girls at young ages. They learn to suppress their tears because of the reaction they receive when they get them. It's the reason so many grown men are incapable of crying after so many years of dry tear ducts. I'm mtf and even though it's become somewhat easier to get to a state where I feel tears coming, I'm still not capable of letting them out. My control over strong emotions has been trained quite well as a boy. I haven't cried in years because of it
>>6852628
>women and fags
this... this is a board for women and fags
just where do you think you are?
>>6852482
For sure. All different kinds of them. I even think I saw a holdout from Social Feminism once, which isn't quite unicorn rare these days, but you certainly notice.
>>6852668
Again, specific references to what have you these "vibes" would be helpful. I'm not sure how you presume to know which earlier posts are mine. But I would really like to hear you expound on this.
>>6852673
Which claim requires citation? That nature and nurture are both important? That's considered self-evident by prolly most people who have read a book this decade.
>>6852690
>Self-evident
>Science
pick one and only one please
>>6852673
Also
>muh science meme
If you think peer reviewed studies are automatically reliable in the context of social theory, then I've got bad news for you
>>6852694
Water is wet.
>BUT WHERE'S YOUR PEER REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC PAPER?
Citation fallacy, buddy.
>>6852694
>Feminism is science
Shit, son, what are you even doing?
>>6852614
>>6852630
Pretty much. And if you need an example, they corresponded with the congressmen like CB Embery who passed the wave of laws targeting lgbt and gave them advice on rhetoric to use (kids getting attacked by boogiemen), knowing full well those laws target gays and lesbians too. that the rhetoric has frenzied people against anyone lgbt.
They also worked for the Just Want Privacy campaign in Washington and drew their pamphlets and other propaganda. Even though JWP's biggest groups are the FRC and ADF when both of those have repeatedly tried to criminalize gay relationships.
They even continued working for them and drawing stuff like this after their JWP coalition started sexually harrasing women to intimidate them into signing the petition.
http://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/ag-ferguson-i-1515-signature-gathering-tactics-could-constitute-harassment
Yeah, they're willing to work with the most toxic parts of the religious right, even when they're actively hurting women. They were drawing fliers like this for JWP, even after they knew their gathered were sexually harassing women.
You don't live in the states so maybe this stuff about their alliance with the religious right goes over your head.
>>6852690
It's older threads, I don't even really remember. I'm just saying adopting that mentality and way of treating people isn't helpful.
>>6852718
Obviously water being wet is provable. That was my point. You were making a fallacy by demanding some authority validate an argument made by someone else, instead of debating the argument.
Citation fallacy is argument from authority. Instead of invalidating a claim because you don't see a link to some authority validating it, argue the idea.
>women have all of the same economic, political, and legal rights as men
>the few real legal disparities deal with biological factualities surrounding the contrast in physical strength between sexes, as well as the proper social and emotional development of children in the absence of one parent
>get mad about obviously fake issues like the non-existant wage-gap or manspreading
>call people a bigots when they accurately appreciate you as a retard or a hypocrite
this is why Donald Trump got this far
>>6852718
Just go to google scholar and search up "emotion gender differences" or something like that and read through some of the literature. I think you will find that biological explanations are lacking and the main points of divergence come from different emotional situations (due to socialization into roles) and also different coping strategies (again, partially due to socialization)
I'm on a phone so it's too hard for me to do this link gathering, but here's one article to get you started:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1348/026151002166334/abstract
>>6852718
>linguistic or philosophic question
Do you think linguistics is a science?
Is philosophy?
Which scientists do you trust to analyze complex social issues for you? Very curious, do explain.
>>6852721
So you're assuming that I'm the same poster who shits it up in other threads? You know there's more than a few people here, right? Critique a shitty ideology if you like, but do not do this mind-reading divination shit, because it makes you say stupid things that you then can't defend.
>>6852737
Whatever, it was just advice even if unintentional that's a bad mindset, I wasn't insult you.
>>6852712
Anon, please, there are multiple people in this thread... I do appreciate your knowledge and that you've shared it with me, but I AM in the states, and I am already strongly opposed to TERFs on an ideological basis. Their tacit cooperation with the religious right is not something I was aware of, however, and it is good to know. The new fundamentalist movement is probably the most detrimental influence on American politics today.
>>6852749
But aren't you that femboy who went Radfem ?
>>6852775
No, lol
I don't even trip and people think they following me around. I'm the one who always says "social theory" and brings up people's rhetoric and stuff like that.
>>6852809
No, I'm not, lol
>>6852818
Then I was trying to convince him.
>>6852841
I don't know what you're trying to convince me of. I already know some TERFs are batshit crazy and actually hurt women by working alongside the religious right. I don't support that nonsense and I hate all forms of homophobia and sexism. I just use the gender critical label because I think it describes my views well.
>>6852841
>>6852856
And btw, it just seems kinda wrong that he goes around arrogantly proclaiming that he knows whole types of feminism like 3rd wave are wrong and that any female who follows them is misguided cause his radicalism the one true creed that all women should follow.
I mean, I know you've got a hrt habit like other fems and might have grown little tits and might look like a girl from it, but it's a bit much to assume what're insight you've gotten from that makes you the only arbiter of what's right. You've got a bad mentality when you get on your high horse and preach how all the women who follow 3rd wave are wrong and you're the only righteous one.
Feminists who complain about the wage gap are usually women who don't have a thigh gap
>>6852526
>Started transitioning a year ago and over time began doing the usual appearance maintaining stuff most females do. I also began to be treated like a female in some situations
>I now see that most of the stuff feminists complain about is pertinent and damaging. I can see that being male is objectively better by a small margin
You transitioned from an attractive male to an ugly female. Of course you're a feminist now. Good job retard, enjoy your cats.
>>6852593
Toxic masculinity is unique to masculinity, but that doesn't mean all masculinity is toxic or that femininity cannot be toxic.
>>6852628
There's nothing wrong with INDIVIDUALS being stoic, if they're able to handle it in a healthy way, but a lot of people, men, women, and otherwise, just aren't suited going through their whole life that way. Again, there's nothing toxic about INDIVIDUAL men being stoic, but when it becomes part of the definition of masculinity, and men who show emotion or admit they need help are shamed for it, that's when it becomes a problem.
>>6852673
If you're going to demand the people you're arguing with to show a peer-reviewed scientific paper to support their argument, you're obligated to do the same to support your claims. Otherwise you can say something like "Barack Obama is a gay Muslim Chinese Martian vampire slayer, prove me wrong. Oh, you can't find a peer-reviewed study that explicitly says he isn't? Well, I guess that means I'm right!"
>>6852707
Feminism isn't a science, it's more of a philosophy. But many arguments for or against feminism depend on scientific evidence, otherwise it all becomes completely arbitrary.
>>6852908
Wtf is a thigh gap and why would having one be desirable?
>>6853071
>Wtf is a thigh gap
Something that gross fatties don't have. Which is why you don't know what it is. Because you're gross and fat, which coincidentally is the reason you are a feminist.
>>6852482
Not a feminist, but I tend to agree more with them than /pol/tards
>>6853017
It's a femboy not a transgirl though, femboys are cute boys, not girls
I used to be a big Tumblr sjw type person but I've stopped caring a few years ago. I still have my views but I'm not active in the community anymore. I don't know much what's happened lately. I barely even know what BLM is and I'm black.
>>6853017
Nah I wasn't an attractive male (why do you think I was into MRA stuff?)
I just realize that the stuff feminists said that I considered "not a big deal" is actually quite problematic and I empathize with their movement a lot more now.
Also dating as a female is quite a bit easier. Even as an "ugly female" I can still get attention. I've been in a steady relationship with a guy for a few years now.
>>6852889
I think you're kinda strawmanning me. I'm not going around proclaiming that I'm the correct one or anything like that. I'm open to arguing and changing my views if it's necessary. Plenty of people who follow 3rd wave feminism are excellent allies and have good intentions, I have a lot in common with them as opposed to the various types of alt-right people. Doesn't mean that I can't criticise some parts of their movement that I think are misguided or detrimental, maybe not intentionally
>>6852482
To answer the question yes, of course there are.
Me personally? No. Striving for equality (where possible) is good, but feminism is too focused on the female side (obviously, it's in the name). It operates under the false belief that all women are oppressed by the big bad patriarchy, and that said patriarchy is enforcing a misogynistic culture that promotes "toxic masculinity" and all that nonsense.
I usually think that the "first world problems" argument is invalid but it perfectly applies here. They should focus on fighting against real oppression, not imaginary cultural bullshit.
>>6852482
http://m.imgur.com/a/mkWix
>>6853162
this gave me cancer
>>6853142
>3rd wave
Despite all of its flaws is at least part of the socially liberal coalition, and the lib fem message of body autonomy and that everyone should treated fairly regardless of what they are. Sure lots of them are idiots and incompetent and don't abide by their own rules, but at least they try and do good and try and refute the boogiemen myths about lgbt people that the religious right and their "Terf" alies push, ditto for fighting their laws. We're at least all allies in a good cause.
The most politically powerful part of the radical feminist groups are "terf", and they've been a huge help for the religious right, helped spread myths that lgbt will rape kids and let them legislatively go on the attack throughout the US. Your heroes are alt-right. And it's fundamentalists and alt right politicians who've embraced their message. And yes, the laws they pass also absolutely hurt lesbians and gays and they've done things like overturning all Antidiscrimination laws and banning you from filing lawsuits if you're gay or lesbian.
You've got a lot of nerve to decide you have the moral authority to put down every lib fem follower while presenting an ideology that's spawned religious right allies as the only true path for women to follow. What makes you think you know better?
>>6853162
Only worthy /pol/ is /leftypol/
>>6853142
>I call myself feminist but I think the current model of third wave intersectionality has been hijacked by sheltered intellectuals and rich people pushing agendas for economic goals. True emancipation from this gender meme can only come from the bottom up, not by being directed from the top down by (((people))) who actually benefit from the status quo
and yeah, you did get all righteous and messianic. Putting down the system most follow and instead lionizing an ideology that's for the most part been used to help the religious right in the states. It's funny because most of the people who use your lable are part of the alt right now.
>>6853220
This I agree, feminism though, I don't
>>6852679
>this is a board for women and fags
Just fags of all stripes, actually.
>>6853232
I don't 100% agree with the current version of feminism, but more with it than /pol/.
>>6853252
>/lgbt/ is the closest we have to a feminism or social justice board though
Insofar that you lot have co-opted it, yeah. Otherwise, no.
>>6853261
/pol/ invades everywhere. /lgbt/ looks SJW by comparison.
>>6853261
The reason people have co-opted it is because it seems the board most suitable for that purpose. /lgbt/ ISN'T a feminism board, but in the absence of a feminism board it seems the best available alternative.
I'm attending a liberal arts college. I volunteer at our college center that provides support for women in crisis, and attend our LGBTQ+ group during my spare time.
Take a wild guess.
>>6852550
>I hope you botch your suicides and live the rest of your lives in paralysis
I'm not suicidal at all, that's very rude of you.
>>6853380
>>6853212
Who says it's the only path for women to follow?
In my view being critical of gender is just as applicable to men. Even more so considering the fact that they are neglected from every emancipatory politics in recent times.
Really I don't know why you keep railing on me like this. I don't support crazy TERFs and I definitely don't agree with homophobes (I'm literally in a homosexual relationship give me a fucking break)
Every post you just keep bringing up these awful examples of people who I don't agree with and saying that I'm associating or helping them or something. I don't, and never have. I can call myself gender critical and have my own opinions of what's okay and what isn't. I'll stand up to TERFs where I need to, and I'll also disagree with libfems over certain points.
Now please stop strawmanning me
>>6853369
Be a gay woman so we can fuck
Or just talk about Pearl
I used to be one. Going to college and being trans has actually made me not be a feminist anymore. Women have things just fine. We shouldn't try to erase the differences between the sexes, because we can't no matter how hard we try.
What made me begin questioning my beliefs was feminists supporting the abolition of gender and supporting Islam. From there I began to see how dumb it all is. They are a bunch of pro-Islam, pro-capitalist lackeys that sell our nation's future so they get to feel like an extra special social justice warrior.
>>6852557
This.
>>6853252
>Wikipedia says
Ok fatty.
>>6853418
Anon... you're in luck.
>>6852612
>not being stoic instead of showing your vulnerability
Have fun being a pussy reliant on a stoic man to take care of you instead of being independent.
>>6853412
Fine, sorry, it's not like I'm trying to run you out. I just can't associate with a group that's causing us so much harm in the states.
I'd say the same thing about evangelicals, sure plenty of them are nice and righteous and not all evangelicals are homophobic. But what the movement at large is tossing all of its political capital at is.
>>6852482
over on /r9k/ they call me an angry redhead feminist bitch, whatever that means
>>6853459
"Stoic" men are some of society's most vulnerable persons. Their critical lack of any emotional support network is one of many factors driving mens' mental health issues and suicide numbers (and success) up. Stoicism as a universal male obligation is destructive to men and society - I'd sooner be rid of it.
>>6853463
TERFs represent a very small minority of feminists. Their great influence comes from the patronage of a vast array of wealthy conservative institutions eager to add the trappings of feminist rhetoric to the tools at their disposal to unmake what they hate.
>>6853494
mtf?
>>6853558
Stoicism made society. You can't have a sniveling pussy as the leader of a country.
>>6853596
A stoic is the most craven entity of all. They fear that any outside agency should know their heart for the invalidation of displaying that they have a heart.
I love men too much to lash them to an ideology of self-extinction. You should, too. They're pretty great underneath the fear of failed masculinity.
>>6852526
Used to be an MRA too, still kinda agree with them somewhat, nowadays I'm more altright.
Whats funny is i'm trans as well, but i've settled for being a man instead of an early 30s hon monster.
I want to agree with feminists, but I can't help but feel like a beta cuck if I do. I try to be supportive of feminism and gender equality where it seems reasonable. I will say that the SJW stuff is wrecking your movement though.
I think gender expectations is built into us by nature and we can never escape it. We can expand the bandwidth of our gender boxes through culture and socialization, but the man and woman boxes will always be there.
>>6853673
My boo likes my masculinity and I've never been happier than when I'm with him. So, I think I'll stick with what I'm doing.
>>6853564
yeah, obviously
>>6853751
Then do your masculinity, but please do not support enforcing that masculinity on all men, or the idea that different expressions of manhood are more or less valid.
The fight against "gender" is not a fight against the performance and expression of particular gendered traits, but against their rigid enforcement, and the stigma of their expression outside the sex to which they are ascribed.
>>6853794
Yeah, as a plumber, I also don't want to work with some nancy. So, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing.
>>6853439
I know Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a "credible source", however the article does cite sources, and I fail to see why I should instead trust someone who thinks it's more important for women to be sexually attractive than healthy.
>>6853596
Not everyone in a country is a leader though. That's like saying everyone should be a doctor, because having no doctors in a country is bad.
>>6853751
Well if it works for you, fine. The problem is when society pushes a lifestyle on people that forces them to pretend to be something they are not.
>>6852557
While I agree that women in general still are disadvantaged by society, I disagree that is caused by a patriarchy. It is merely the self propagating continuum of the capitalist system, that benefits only those on top, not one gender or another. Therefore, while I agree with many of the ideas of modern feminism (ie: toxic masculinity, commodified femininity, sexist stereotypes, "rape culture") I disagree with them on the basis upon which these cultural phenomena form, and the idea that they benefit one sex over another, rather than ultimately benefiting the bourgeoisie.
>>6853843
Whereas that's a pretty unrepentant example of toxic masculinity. Why is this board so good at offering up timely examples?
>>6853951
Work with your barehands elbow deep in shit and tell me you'd want some nancy standing there every step of the way to help you.
>>6853979
What's "a nancy"
Unpack that term.
>>6854014
Archaic term for fag, poof, fairy, fruit, et cetera.
>>6854038
Which are references to sexual orientation, not gender expression.
>>6854038
What do these terms all mean, though? It's important to know what you're talking about, because I can't see what about having sex with other men makes a man unfit to unclog drains, bend pipes, tighten screws, grout, or drain water/refuse, so the words you use must mean something more.
>>6853979
Course you wouldn't. But that's why fems actually went to Uni and did something so they don't have to work shitty jobs.
So you just keep playing with your shit. We're good Senpai.
Was never an MRA but was pretty anti-feminist, now I'm the opposite - though I don't really like calling myself a "feminist" no matter how much people try to make the term available to everyone.
I'm not trans, either.
I can still laugh at feminists though and I can't deny I do enjoy some of those 'Pussy pass denied' videos.
Overall though, I think misogyny runs rampant through society and is massively damaging, often in ways which people just don't really think about. I think once you get your head out of your arse and stop moaning about how bad men have it, you realize that shit is still fucked up for women and that two wrongs don't make a right and we need to make more of an effort to work together instead of comparing oppression dick sizes.
Aside from the misandric types, I've heard more support for problems that men face from feminists than I have from actual men. A lot of MRAs like to push the idea that men have it so bad but when it comes down to it they don't actually give a shit about other men, it's just convenient for them to use as a debate tool against feminism, in other words - more misogyny at any cost.
I see a lot of parallels between MRAs who use men's issues as a weapon against feminists and right-wing conservatives who use LGBT issues as a weapon against Muslims or as a means of getting support for guns. It's the old "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and as soon as they've gotten rid of that enemy, things will go back to how they were; but I guess that's in the name 'conservative', no progress - keeping everything as it is/was.
>>6853450
Oh shiiiiiiit
What school
>>6854370
>thinks plumbing is a shitty job
>thinks his English Lit degree makes him better than tradesmen with actual skills
>will end up working retail along with all the other smug, overeducated Non Useful Bodies that make up his piss poor excuse for a generation while I fuck off at 3 and pretty much print money
>>6854802
Define "acts like a wimp". What about this personality trait makes them unsuitable for this line of work? And what does it have to do with gender?
>>6854821
Cries a lot, doesn't know how to work hard, can't follow simple instructions, won't take responsibility for mistakes, selfish and can't take a joke. You know, like women.
>>6854821
It has nothing to do with Gender. The fact that you focus on gender so much makes me think you're a sexist.
But my line of work isn't for wimps. You have to crawl under houses filled with creepy crawlies to repipe residential sewer lines. Sometimes you need to crawl in attics that are 130°+. And there's things that smell worse than literal shit that you have to deal with.
I love my job and love what I do, but it's not a job for the faint of heart.
>>6852526
>the world would be better off if everyone resisted their emotions and became a scientist
Eh
>>6854832
>It has nothing to do with Gender. The fact that you focus on gender so much makes me think you're a sexist.
This literally all started as a discussion of masculinity. You used your disapproval of "wimps" and "sissies" to argue why masculinity is important. You're the one that's sexist, not me.
>>6854828
So there is a perfect dichotomy between perfectly emotionless, unresponsive, unexpressive, silent individuals, and this other class of person you've defined?
There are only these kinds of people? And the former is universally fit to work in your job?
>>6854813
>MFW biomed
>mfw eurotrash grandparents are part of titled nobility
>love me and would never let me sink into a demeaning situation
Checkmate
>>6854911
And you're saying that only men can be masculine and only women can be feminine? That's blatant sexism.
>>6854924
>trust fund shitcunt
Yeah I bet success is pretty easy to come by when mummy and daddy can just buy it for you.
>>6854922
They're called 'men' and 'women', and yes, women are fucking useless and belong either at home squeezing out babies or in somebody's reception answering phones.
>>6854964
>daddy
Oh he's actually practically disowned Tbh. It's really just grandparents tbhfam. Pretty sure could make it eitherway. Not that it wouldn't be nice to come into money.
>>6854828
You're just trolling. There are plenty of women that fit that criteria that you state is male exclusive.
I'm currently a grad student in a scientific field and I met women like this daily. There are also many men that fit your criteria for a woman. Did you not think that there would be over lap the other way?
>>6854995
>Pretty sure could make it eitherway
Too bad you'll never find out. Enjoy your easy life Princess, you hit the jackpot. Pride isn't really that important anyway.
>>6855025
What are you going on about, m9? You're infering a hell of a lot that wasn't implied by that poster.
>>6855034
No, it can be easily inferred with basic logic you learn in a math class. The implications are all there. Prove that they aren't.
>>6854951
No, I'm not. You however seem to be implying that anyone who isn't masculine is a wimp.
>>6854984
How do you determine if someone is a man or a woman, then?
>>6855034
The poster themselves claimed that women are irresponsible, unable/unwilling to work hard, and unable to follow instructions. I fail to see how pointing that out involves any "infering".
>>6855085
Masculinity and femininity don't strictly adhere to the sexes. Feminine people, male or female, aren't cut out for tougher jobs. This is just how it works. You need to stop thinking in such strict terms about gender and sex.
t. The Plumber guy
>>6855100
Women are like that. Don't fruits like you hang out with women? I'd figure you'd know this dhit first hand.
I sexually identify as a M26 Pershing with a live 90mm cannon, and 2 brownings mounted on my 46 tons of United States steel. Try penetrating me.
Feminism wasn't around the Japanese owned land I ventured during WW2. Then again, the flap japs hunted whales.
>>6855129
>I hang out with women
No shit.
>that's definitely not the impression I get from them
It's relative. It's less noticable to you because save for the lack of a cunt you're practically one of them.
>>6855107
Then you can't make the dichotomy masculine vs feminine. That makes no sense.
>>6855184
>Being soft and delicate. What else is there to femininity?
What particularly does that have to do with female? If it doesn't have anything to do with female, why do you refer to it as "feminine"?
>>6855184
Not really any more than males. Males sometimes seem more reluctant to ask for help or show weakness, but it's not really a competency issue. And women seem more willing to help men than other men do, possibly because men feel that doing favors for other men will be seen as homo-erotic or something.
>>6855230
>saying male and female instead of men and women
Something tells me that you're a NEET without actual friends.
But I say femininity for lack of a better term. Like how greed, for lack of a better term, is good. If I wanted to mean "like a woman" I'd say womanly.
>>6855230
>And women seem more willing to help men than other men do, possibly because men feel that doing favors for other men will be seen as homo-erotic or something.
t. Captain Backwards from Opposite Land
Have you actually met any men? This is so far from my experience it sounds like trolling. Maybe they don't want to help you because you're not very likeable, or possibly black.
>>6854773
A school that is small and in the middle of nowhere, so saying it would be of little benefit. I live in Missouri, though.
>>6855548
But but but I'm thinking of transferring to Missouri school of science and tech next spring. I'm in Illinois currently. You can't be that far away.
>>6855703
Next fall I mean. Whoops!
It's technically cheaper than U of I in Urbana and it has amazing finding/financial support for students.
You really can't be that far from there.
>>6855703
>>6855718
Holy shit, I know a couple people going to Rolla. That's about a three hour distance from where I'm going to college, Truman State University.
Do you want to exchange contact information? This is absolutely absurd, I love it.
>>6855856
For sure, hit me up at [email protected]
>>6856410
And this two lesbians were brought together by a thread about feminism.
Oh, this board
This board
>>6856410
Sent you an email.
>>6853162
>Supreme Gentooman
my fucking sides
>>6854370
>>6854813
Hate to to break it to y'all but tradespeople in the west make an absolute killing. Here in Australia following a 3-4 year apprenticeship your starting wage is 50k+ for trades like carpentry, electrical and plumbing. Go to the mines and you can make 175k+, 10 days on, 10 days off.
That said there's generally a pretty toxic, hypermasculine culture that goes with it. I'd be doing a trade if I could survive it...
>>6852731
you see, your chain of thought is very logical
only if your first sentence wasn't complete horseshit...
>women have all of the same economic, political, and legal rights as men
>hurr durr everything works by the books all the time since the beginning of times
women (and other opressed groups) have those rights on paper (at least in the civilized world) but (due to a fuckton of including history) since human beings deal with emotion and passed on habits (culture) it doesn't translate perfectly to the real world.
for instance, do you think centuries of slavery just vanished once it was abolished? seriously, just consider this. is that likely that the sons and daughters of slave owners would simply start to see people of color as having the same value as them? they were rich, had power, think of the consequences.
I strongly suggest you read about about longue durée and fernand braudel. from wikipedia: "longue durée concentrates on all-but-permanent or slowly evolving structures"
we are the product of history, there's no way denying that
and it pisses me the fuck off
the very things you learn in school in history and other social sciences have a clear political bias, always have, probably don't even make sense anymore
but noooooo, if people don't remember it, it didn't happen and everyone else is just being a bitch
ps. don't mind the gif too much, I just have been dying for a chance to post it
>>6860731
Hahaha whew lad I can't wait to be working in mines as a geologist. It's going to be a ride, all right. It'll be at least 2 or 3 years before I can move to a managerial position so I'll be down in the dirt with the rest of em scoping out veins and helping gather information for further drilling plans.
I sure hope my vagina doesn't get in the way. At least there won't be any pretty ladies there to distract me.
And hey, if I end up raped or something hellloooo lawsuit.
>>6853162
This doesn't seem too accurate. I'd say /pol/'s love for /lgbt/ is unrequited. Who the fuck likes /pol/ outside of /pol/, seriously??