/lgbt/ Do you need dysphoria to be trans?

>implying dysphoria is real

>>5892232
Pic related is fucking stupid

Unless the second line means bi people. Bi people are still homosexuals.

>>5892245
their point would have been better if they said bi people, yeah, but they didn't.

>>5892232
Not necessarily, if someone undergoes transition to live as the opposite sex I'd still call them trans whether they have dysphoria or not.

>>5892286
But they still had Dysphoria before transitioning though

>>5892232
no
you can have dysphoria and not be trans

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>>5892329

>>5892304
I'm talking about people who transitioned but never had dysphoria in the first place.

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>>5892329

>>5892232
I think it'd be better to say someone who is trans is someone who is either actively altering the way they look from their birth gender to the other gender (or whatever, nb fags) or who strongly desires to.

Gender dysphoria is typically treated by this process.

If they honestly don't feel dysphoric as they are it kind of makes them seem less legitimate but whatever.

Without dysphoria, transitioning medically is basically extreme body modding. Which I'm somewhat OK with, but I don't think they should be labeled trans.

(Ties in nicely with the whole femgen debacle, though it's the reverse as some do have dysphoria)


And those than only socially transition are just annoying.

>>5892415
4chan, you make me LAUGH

>>5892442
>And those than only socially transition are just annoying.
>socially transitioning without altering your body hormonally
That's just crossdressing and makes everyone look bad.
I can't stand those timelines that are like "40 mtf, 1 year transitioning, 2 weeks HRT"

>>5892442
THIS RIGHT HERE

I honestly don't care if people want to get whatever wacky surgeries they want. Go ahead and amputate that healthy limb. Get elf ears and a split tongue--you're going to be hilarious when you're geriatric. Not my body, not my problem.

However, I feel like people who don't experience any dysphoria but want to transition and consider themselves "trans" regardless should be in a different category from people who experience dysphoria and transition to alleviate that dysphoria. I'm probably just bitter, though, because I wish I hadn't lived a life filled with dysphoria, I wish I could just not be trans (I tried so fucking hard for so many years), and, if I didn't have dysphoria, there's no way in hell I'd willingly choose this "identity" for myself. I feel like I have a shameful and unfortunate medical condition that I'm treating by transitioning, and, while I'm not saying that I want everyone else to feel that way, I just can't relate at all to "trans" people who say they have no dysphoria.

So, yeah, to be honest, I do think of them as "transtrenders." Sorry not sorry.

>>5892232
Yes.

>>5892512
Couldn't have said it better myself.

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>>5892512
I am going to disagree here. I think that not all trans people feel dysphoria and that a lot of us here should act like our problem is the biggest problem there could ever be.

Well, look. I think I am trans, and I didn't really know any fucking shit about it. Trans porn disgusted me and I tried avoiding any kind of subject touching the word " trans " or " drag queen " because somehow I was afraid looking further because " lol what if I become x ".

But after realising that I told myself " I wish I was a girl because then I could do that, that, that, ... " way too much, I asked myself if I was trans. I searched days and days for it, and I legit think that I found the answer to all this doubt inside, and why I never quite really at ease talking with people and feeling like " wow, I feel like I am myself ". Always felt like acting like someone I was not, and I am quite sad when my stepfather said to me " but when we go outside, people say you are suuuuuper funny and all " because I know I just act over the top to get attention and I HATE it.

The problem is that I always heard " dysphoria this, dysphoria that " and I basically paniqued alone because I didn't experience dysphoria. I legitimately spent a day depressing because I thought I maybe had something else then, like schizophrenia or something, because " lol you don't feel dysphoria, you are not trans ".

But as soon as I realised that everyone is different in that regard, and that not everyone is the same, I laughed about it and told myself I could wait until getting transition.

It's a burning desire inside. I wish I could be just a girl in a poof, and as soon as I can get HRT, I will do it without any hesitation. But please, do not act like dysphoria MUST be in the package, because some people might just fall in some kind of bad scheme, like " if I do not feel dysphoria, then I must be a fetichist. I am not normal, I want to kill myself, etc ... "

>>5892628
Could you define dysphoria? You may be using a different definition than the rest of the thread.

>>5892329
this is true, because what trannies have is called gender dysphoria.
dysphoria has nothing to do with being trans, same as euphoria has nothing to do with being trans.

I hate to sound like a whiny sjw faggot, but cisgender people who pull the whole "you don't need to have dysphoria to be trans" should just fucking stop. There is nothing worse then going through your day and then having getting repeatedly misgendered and having it kick those horrible feelings into gear blah blah blah angsty tranny bullshit. Just stop guys.

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>>5892656
For me dysphoria is the fact of feeling sad about a particular situation, as opposed to euphoria which is feeling happy about a particular situation.

So gender dysphoria is feeling uneasy, sad about your current gender, to a varying degree.

I think that we need to divide dysphoria into various levels and parts, because a lot of you consider dysphoria as " not feeling well about looking like your biological gender " but that is FAR from truth.

For me, if I feel dysphoric at all, it's mostly a social component at play. Sure, I'd love to get a girly body like all transgirls. Sure, getting a pussy is nice and I would like to have sex like a girl without feeling a bit uneasy. Yes, all of my yes. But I mostly feel bad at social situations, because inside, I find myself correcting people internally about pronouns ( it can sound funny but that's what I do lol ).

So yeah, maybe that when I first read " dysphoria " I thought you had to feel completly tormented and that was stupid of my part thinking this. Let's say this is a mild discomfort for now but I still can cope with it as right now.

But I think there's a major component in the fact that online I am considered as a girl so yeah, that must be why I don't feel too bad right now. I think it will be a bit worse when I start HRT tho.

>>5892715
Why/For what purpose do you intent to take HRT ? (Serious question)

If your disconfort is mostly about social things (= gender roles imposed BS), don't you need feminism and not hormones ? (As much as it is used against transfolk, imo there is some truth to it)

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>>5892753
Well, because I want to look more girly and be able to socially interact with people without feeling uneasy about a lot of things, like joking with people, cuddling them a lot, etc. Especially with girls to be honest. I felt entitled to " try to hit on girls " because " that's what men do". But really, I just want to feel better talking with girls and do things with them, like go shopping and talk about everything and nothing.

Also I want to take HRT because there's the fact that mentally wise, it makes you feel better. I want to be able to show that I am emotive and with this body I feel there's a sort of barrier that tells me " No, you cannot show emotion. ", and I want to get rid of it.

And you have a fair point. I think that if I could dress more girly, and that nobody gave a single damn about bodies, then I would be able to live normally and feel totally cool with myself. But the truth is that societies in general are all constructed on genders. All of them, regardless of location or even species in general, whatever it may be patriarchal or matriarchal ( like with Hyenas ).

I personally think that if we lived as spirits, ideas and feelings, none of us would feel like a change is necessary. That would be super cool actually: being able to express what you think, what you want, regardless of appearance.

Anyway, that reminds me of that episode in South Park with Butters who should feel bad about being bicurious. If you feel like you're trans but do not feel bad about it, then I do not really know what's the problem. I know that a lot of transgirls here feel super bad and I am really sorry for them, but for me, I don't feel hyper bad about it for now.

I just want to avoid being treated like a fetishist or something because that's not really the truth. I mean, wearing female clothes with this body seems impossible for me right now and I feel super bad about it ... >.>

>>5892628
Literally like everything you described is dypshoria though.

>>5892232
I think so. If you experience no dysphoria, why bother transitioning?

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>>5892232
Fuck you.
Dysphoria ruined my life.
You fake mother fuckers have ruined my entire life with your faggotry.
I cant do anything without being fucking assaulted and shit because of you fucking faggots.
Id kill you all if I could.
You deserve it for the countless decades of suffering caused by your faggotry.

>>5892790
It seems like you do experience dysphoria to some degree.
Even if it is more because of society.
For me, dysphoria is feeling like you wanna change your sex and assigned gender.
I want to be more masculine, I can't stand being seen as just some girl, I wish I had a penis but I'm not sure if I'll ever get one.
I want my body to be different from what it is right now.
I was to be seen as what I am, in my head.
When it comes to all of this, I just don't like it when people think it's something we chose.
If I could be a cishet dude I WOULD CHOSE IT.
But I can't, I don't like it when people think being trans is some fun trend.
I wish I could live my life without worrying about all this shit and not having people be angry at me when I say I think you need some type of dysphoria to be trans or like fucking who cares.
I wish life was easy and I wish I wouldn't have to worry.

>>5892790
Nigga you are describing textbook dysphoria

>>5892790
>If you feel like you're trans but do not feel bad about it
is that what you think dysphoria means? feeling bad because of being ashamed of being trans or hating the fact you're trans? because if not your post doesn't really make sense.
dysphoria is basically being depressed about your birth gender. that includes social situations like you described. that includes "feeling a bit uneasy" during sex. sure, most experience it worse than you but you even acknowledge a reason why you're dysphoria is mostly relieved.
>But I think there's a major component in the fact that online I am considered as a girl so yeah, that must be why I don't feel too bad right now.
these kind of misunderstandings are partly the reason why i don't believe /femgen/ and don't believe people who say they don't have dysphoria until they elaborate. people have some weird misconceptions about being trans.

>>5892628
What you're describing sounds a lot like gender dysphoria. I think the problem here is people don't seem to understand fully what dysphoria is.

>>5892232
I don't see anything wrong with somebody actually just choosing to be whatever gender they want to be through HRT at all, regardless of things like 'dysphoria' or anything. I don't understand what the problem with somebody wanting to be say a girl without needing there to be a problem in their life first.

In fact I think that is kind of admirable for someone to do something like that because it is a lot easier to do something hard when you have to in order to want to live, it is another thing entirely to do it if you completely don't have to but just want to.

>>5893462
It's more admirable to transition if it ISN'T life and death to you?

What am I reading

>>5893482
I didn't say it was more admirable, I didn't even compare the two possibilities in that sentence. I just said I find that to BE admirable.

>>5893505
You did directly tie the admirability of those transitioning "just 'cuz" to how that demo has less motivation to do it than normal dysphoric trannies do.

So it's harder for the non-dysphorics because they're not as motivated and thus it's admirable when they do it nonetheless?

That is such a ridiculous premise for an argument. It's an appalling comparison to make. You must be fumbling or leaving out something crucial.

>>5893581
I don't know. It just feels like you are stretching to have a problem with the idea and are nitpicking. Instead of doing that and causing an argument, which I won't be participating in, how about addressing the base idea?

>>5892232
Am I gay if I see two black penises in that picture? I'm a straight guy btw.

>>5893610
I was throwing such a soft ball it was basically a pillow, don't get miffed.

I don't care what people do with their bodies, I agree with >>5892442 and >>5892512 and your first paragraph.

I do not understand how someone would want to be a girl without experiencing some kind of dysphoria, but that doesn't even matter; I still don't mind if they do whatever.

Your second paragraph was a total space cadet non-sequitur of radical acceptance, and though weird and unsound I honestly kinda like you for it.

>>5894097

Lol wat

>muh freudian psychology