DIY

>>5304882
Lot of those are femboys and others that don't identify as trans but want their body to stay feminine nonetheless.

If they did it old school, the doctors would probably demand they transition and get outraged they continue to present and identify as male.

At least if you're talking about shitty Soviet relics like the NHS.

>>5304891
where is the difference between a femboy misusing medication to stay feminine and some bald guy who uses chemo to save time on shaving every morning ?

>>5304894
Bioidentical HRT has a risk profile statistically identical to placebo if it's used for "trans" ends. Chemo unfortunately doesn't.

Granted I think Mr chemo would be in his right to take it so long as he pays out of pocket and is aware of the risks.

Contraceptives kills thousands of women each year because the xenoestrogen induce blood clots and yet we still let then take it as otc. I don't see why you'd need a nanny state for other safer things.

>>5304882
90% of self medders are fetishists/transbians and they know a real doctor would never prescribe them moans

>>5304910
>into older men
>not trans and take HRT just for vanity reasons
>=fetishist transbian

You alright m8?

>>5304882
Well I started out with diy but it wasn't concern for getting evaluated but the concern that my parents might not take my coming out well.
When I finally got to a doctor I was upfront and honest explaining my reasons for self-medding as a stop-gap method and they seemed very impressed with my general knowledge about stuff.

>>5304918
NOOOOO if they're a fetishist then they're a damn dirty transbian pervert freak and not a REEL trutrans like me that loves to spend all day shopping for super cute girly clothes and getting fucked by big tasty dick!

If they say they're "bi" or "actually straight" they're just lying to hide their perversion or delusional and in denial of their gross preferences because a REEL STRAIGHT TRUTRANS just CAN'T be a fetishist!

>this thread
god damnit

>>5304918
>>5304931

>shit that never happened
nice transbian taqiyya. you can't fool me straight man

>>5304882
It's rather that a lot of countries & states are good at gatekeeping. some anons live too far from a GID clinic/informed consent/a therapist who've specialized in trans stuff, etc, or just have shitty families. Or for example in UK, you have to live as a woman before getting HRT, which is batshit insane.

For some other Anons, they're just too terrified to talk to another person about it, live in a family where if they found out they'd get kicked out, and going to frequent therapy would make family members scratch their heads and such as well. So for some self medding in secret is easier. Also it's actually easier to come out as trans when you've already become really feminine.

I realized I was trans just before hitting 20, though I always knew I should be born a girl since I was 3-4 ish.
But if I had to through my country's system, I'd be 22 when I'd start my HRT, which would mean I would be a lot more masculine than I am now, and plus I could not really stand living as a man any more than I had to. Though I did start the proper process, I'm DIYing my HRT just because starting earlier has always been better, and it seemed the most logical for me. Also I should note I am getting blood tests done and such.

Though I'd still say going through the proper process is the correct way to go, you should never self med unless you've really, really done your homework and you're 100% sure you're trans. But I can totally understand someone who are doing it, as I am doing it myself.

>>5304941
> twinks soley into men are transbians/straight
I think you'd better get back to wanking to those pink tutus of yours, hon. Sometimes gay is, well just gay.

>>5304941
What are you talking about? Transbians are gross!
I sucking and fucking as much dick as possible whenever possible and have a pretty good schedule for it with my camming/escorting career(the only job for reel trutrans like me).

>>5304947
No fuck off you pervert freak!!!!!
If you look at women as anything but competition for dick and attention then you're just a fake trans fetishist!!!
You're also a pervert freak if you work any dumb gross manly jobs like IT or any science stuff.

>>5304882
Because they live in the US where they have to pay for hrt out of pocket even with a diagnosis. They also go full foxgrape on surgery because they can't afford it.

In europe transsexuals always get diagnosed. And they are much more likely to get surgery.

>>5304995
Insurance covers my HRT and I didn't have to deal with any European gatekeeping

>>5304995
>In europe transsexuals always get diagnosed.
This isn't remotely true in France and southern Europe. This is only partly true in the UK considering how many people start out self medding.

>>5304882
im self-medding because theres a 6 month waiting time to even begin the proper process. might as well start HRT and have 6 months under the belt before getting there
thanks europe

>>5305084
Yeah, I'm always incredibly puzzled by the "omg we are all good with our shrinks making us wait years in Europe" thing because most UK trannies I know of are already 99% done with transition by the time they get an appointment at the GICs.

>>5305084
Canadian, and wait times are my reason, too.

As it turns out, the quickest way to get prescribed hormones here, is to already be on hormones.

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>>5304995
They have a multi year wait with younger patients so have fun with the state turning you into a hon.

Also, even if they cover decades outdated SRS, it's utterly worthless if you don't fix every other thing about your body.

That's why the UK is full of all these bald 40 year old men who only get the axwound lobbying the goverment to ban people from transitioning young.

>>5305089
This. Given the backwards gatekeeping that hasn't changed much since the 80s here, the only reason not to self-med as a way to bootstrap into a GP script for your HRT would be to get surgery from one of the last French surgeons that haven't been shut down yet...
And the only reason one could have to ever want to do that rather than seeking SRS abroad is a severe lack of money and a complete impossibility to take even the small loan to get SRS in the cheap countries. We may have terrible surgeons, but they're covered by public insurance. So it's a "legit" way to transition. If you're ready to wait for years while transphobic shrinks make you jump through hoops and act like a Stepford wife. It's the "official" path, though it breaks French law, European jurisprudence and basic human rights in quite a few ways that have been documented through court orders and official reports over the years.
So, almost every French trans woman who can afford it starts by self-medding for a while, comes out after a few months and then goes on to get a script from a GP since both denying treatment and letting her keep self-medding would be breaches of the Hippocratic oath. From there, it's smooth sailing. Provided you pass, or at least present as female, getting referral letters from shrinks that aren't associated with the hospital system is a non-issue other than one of dignity, LGBT groups have lists of shrinks who work on an informed consent basis.
While this path starts with something shady and somewhat illegal, the "official" path is so deprecated, inhumane and illegal most medical workers have no qualms about helping trans people avoid it.
Back in the late nineties, I tried to transition a first time. With no possibility to get AAs for self-medding, I was stopped cold by the gatekeepers (they had a strict no HRT under 25 rule back then.) This time, it's just 30 months between the start of self-medding and the scheduled date for SRS and no hassle from anyone.

My mom took me to a therapist for a few months until she couldn't afford to keep taking me. In one of these appointments she told me "it's very clear you have gender identity disorder, but before I can refer you to an endocrinologist I'm going to need to see you for up to six more months."

A few months of weekly appointments later, I got my first order of hormones. it's been over a year of me pestering my mom to schedule an appointment and I'm still diying. I hate the fact that I've been doing this without blood tests, but I don't regret diying.

>>5308603
Ridiculous, why they'd want you to continue wasting thousands upon thousands after they themselves admit it's clear is beyond me

I've been self-medding for the past 7 years for several reasons.

Initially I was to awkward/shy/broke to go the official route. It was far too embarassing for me to go see someone about it.

There is only one therepist for it where I live, and only one shitty clinic. I did not want to jump through their hoops, which would have caused me more embarassment, all for substandard care.

Without insurance, self-medding was cheaper. On top of this, I was able to get high quality meds (injections) that are completely unavailable where I live. I went to private labs to get my blood tested, and have fully transitioned now. I was in cocoon mode until boymode consistently failed me, due to being a huge pussy about coming out - I really just wanted to be a girl without dealing with the embarassment - I simply put it off until the hormones forced my hand.

So in a nutshell - I self-med because trans care here is garbage, and also because I was a huge pussy and wanted it to be discrete as possible. Anyone claiming stupid shit about self-medders is likely butthurt about the hoops they had to jump through, the quality of care where they live, the embarrassment they went through seeing people about this shit pre-hormones, or their inability to self-med due to import restrictions and such things.

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>>5308603
>"it's very clear you have gender identity disorder, but before I can refer you to an endocrinologist I'm going to need to see you for up to six more months."

>tfw not a tranny
>tfw just do it and present as a feminine gay guy

I just like the effects of it. I probably wouldnt get it through legit means because i'm not trans, and it just seems like a lot of effort.

>>5308843
>i like the effect of it
>I'm not a tranny
Son.. Well, daughter rather... You have issues

>>5308855
No lol

I'm not going to transition because I think it's dumb, i just want to be feminine, it makes me feel a little better about myself

>>5308711
>>"it's very clear you have gender identity disorder, but before I can refer you to an endocrinologist I'm going to need to see you for up to six more months."
Translation: Its going to take more money to persuade me.

Fucking greedy horse shit doctors in america. My wife was on THE most expensive anti depressant they make because she felt a little sad sometimes with no prior problems. We found out later its for extremely suicidal people and psychotics. We had to go see a young campus doctor in training to get her down to a more reasonable prescription.

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>>5308865
>i just want to be feminine, it makes me feel a little better about myself
>I'm not trans
The denial is strong in this one.

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>>5308855
>>5311014
Not them but why?

It's perfectly reasonable to take hormones to keep your body feminine, and act feminine without actually wanting to be a woman.

>>5311030
lmao she came out as trans dude

>>5304882
Because not everywhere has informed consent clinics.

>>5311014
I may be reasonably crazy, but i'm not that retarded so as to actually transition.

I feel good about myself now and i like the way I look, and if it gets better then that's a bonus but i'm not gonna take a dive and transition. I don't want that.

>>5311030
yeah something like this.

>>5311774
Then why are you in a tranny thread?
DENIAL

>>5311308
But used to say the same line of things from >>5311030 when she was a boy though.

Just cause the person who said that eventually transitioned doesn't mean they weren't making a valid point.

Everyone who does stuff to keep their body from growing masculine isn't automatically trans and it's unreasonable to force people to chose between only those two options.

>>5311867
You mean a pil popper thread.

Yeah I Don't deny that

>>5311911
But there are only two options.
1) fuck your body up with an insufficient hormone dose
2) take the fucking proper amount

>>5311955
And?

>>5311955
I'm actually taking the proper amount...

Feels weird man. Like feels good but also it's slowly getting hard to hide. I don't really want boobs right now but apparently it's happening.

I dont want to take an improper dose because i'm worried about muh bones and it making me sick, because i have work

It's important to distinguish diagnosed GID suffering transgender people and disgusting DIY HRT crossdressing fetishists.

>>5304882
i buy online because cypro is far superior to spiro.

i still get scripts for est tho