>agp isnt real

It's definitely real, anyone who would deny it is willfully ignorant.

The question is whether or not it's the primary motivation for transitioning, and the answer is usually no because you would be fucking retarded to completely change your life based on what you masturbate to. Keep in mind the guy who created and expounded this theory is also a proponent of the idea that straight transwomen are just men who are just so gay that they want to be women so they can fuck straight guys

>>5199273
Blanchard may have been a fuccboi but his theories on transbian are definitely accurate. While I'm certain most don't transition out of agp, some of the total neets/Caitlyn Jenners probably do

>>5199294
Maybe, I won't deny that there are fucking retards out there. I just really hate the witch hunt mentality the idea fosters

>>5199248
I've been imagining myself as a girl for years before realized im trans

if only I knew sooner

>>5199248
>implying that this is agp

AGP is masturbating to the idea of *yourself* being a woman. The idea of that is what arouses you, not the sexual act.

Simply seeing a sexual act and self-inserting as the woman does not mean that you are getting off at the idea of being a woman; it means you are identifying as a woman and therefore unable to self-insert yourself into the man's role on the screen.

Of course someone with gender dysphoria is going to self-insert themselves into the role they perceive themselves as when viewing pornography. Saying a trans woman has AGP for self-inserting as a woman in pornography is ridiculous. Do cis women insert themselves into the guy's role in porn or would they too self-insert as the woman?

>>5199466
These aren't trannies you fucking moron I pulled the screenshot from r9k
These are beta men who get off to imagining themselves as women
Literally transbians 101

>>5199248
>a phenomenon exists therefore it's a disease

lets take a look at who supports what
AGP theory: a former catholic closet case and his groupies, a high profile reparative therapy advocate, batshit insane 70s feminists, self hating trannies, people who post on 4chan
AGP skeptics: the majority of sexologists and the mental health profession in any country that actually matters.

>>5199508
Are you denying that there are dudes who get off to wearing panties?

>>5199515
What part of
>a phenomenon exists therefore it's a disease
Don't you understand?

>>5199524
Where did I imply it's a disease

>>5199515
i accept that it exists, yes.
what i want to know is why it matters and why its a disease?
i've yet to see a clear case for why 'is attracted to women and therefore wants to become one' is a paraphilia
paraphilia doesn't just mean 'weird sexual fetish', it has a specific clinical definition
i also remain unconvinced that transbians in general don't experience dysphoria. only an idiot would transition based purely on a fetish that you could satisfy in private without having to involve the whole world in it and ruin your life.

>>5199566
See
>>5199530

>>5199329
yup. AGP is real because pretty much every fetish is, but that doesn't mean that the people coming into a therapist's office looking for hormones are AGP.

>>5199466
>AGP is masturbating to the idea of *yourself* being a woman. The idea of that is what arouses you, not the sexual act.
No, AGP is being aroused by being a woman. But it isn't enough to sustain a female identity, obviously.

>>5199566
>i also remain unconvinced that transbians in general don't experience dysphoria. only an idiot would transition based purely on a fetish that you could satisfy in private without having to involve the whole world in it and ruin your life.
true. as much as I hate transbians, they don't do it out of stupidity.

>>5199711

Seriously tho, being trans sucks.

>>5199466
>AGP is masturbating to the idea of *yourself* being a woman. The idea of that is what arouses you, not the sexual act
This, at least someone knows what they're talking about.

>>5199504
Then you typo'd and should've said "agp is real" if your claiming r9k beta's are transbians and transbians are basically agp mtfs.

>>5199508
>a former catholic closet case and his groupies
Butt hurt transbians logic 101, attack creators character and claim conspiracy theory.

>AGP skeptics: the majority of sexologists
Not really, you mean psychologists who aren't the same as sexologists who support the theory a lot more.

>>5199566
>what i want to know is why it matters and why its a disease?
Why doesn't it matter if they fundamentally different from legit trans?

Also It's not a disease it's a paraphilia...

>>5199566
>i've yet to see a clear case for why 'is attracted to women and therefore wants to become one' is a paraphilia
That's not what agp is though, it's about being sexually aroused by the thought of becoming a woman and having a female body, being treated like a woman, and sometimes dressing in women's clothing. Blanchard isn't zeroing in on lesbian trans because they're lesbian, it's because in his studies most lesbian trans experience agp. It's something he observed.

>paraphilia doesn't just mean 'weird sexual fetish', it has a specific clinical definition
Yes and agp mtf meet that clinical definition. It effects their everyday life and causes a lot of anxiety and depression unlike an ordinary fetish like a foot fetish that doesn't effect the person daily life that way.

>i also remain unconvinced that transbians in general don't experience dysphoria.only an idiot would transition based purely on a fetish
Blanchard said they do experience gender dysphoria albeit very low to mild which could explain why a lot of old transitioners who are always attracted to women can go for 40-50 years or longer without much trouble because it's not that bad for them.

>>5199877
>Butt hurt transbians logic 101, attack creators character and claim conspiracy theory.
yeah gay dude actually. hardly a conspiracy when pretty much everyone who advocates the theory has a biased reason for doing so.

>Not really, you mean psychologists who aren't the same as sexologists who support the theory a lot more.
muh social sciences aren't real. le STEM master race.

>Why doesn't it matter if they fundamentally different from legit trans?
yes and 'legit' trans in this case are just hyperfeminine gay men who couldn't hack it as men

>That's not what agp is though, it's about being sexually aroused by the thought of becoming a woman and having a female body, being treated like a woman, and sometimes dressing in women's clothing.
'straight' trannies never fantasize about being fucked like a woman? or treated like one? that doesn't turn them on? why would you transition if not to satisfy the need to be treated as a women sexually?

>It effects their everyday life and causes a lot of anxiety and depression unlike an ordinary fetish like a foot fetish that doesn't effect the person daily life that way.
again, this doesn't affect 'straight' trannies? i see a lot of neurotic as fuck androphilic trannies here. in fact, i've yet to meet ANY tranny who isn't a massive head case for various reasons.

i mean whatever helps you feel superior to everyone else dude. but as far as i'm concerned you're all pretty weird.

>>5200051
>gay guy who knows all about agp and trans stuff
Right sure you are.

>hardly a conspiracy when pretty much everyone who advocates the theory has a biased reason for doing so
Because you say so right?

>le STEM master race
>according to Blanchard most agp transbians work stem careers like most men
kek

>legit trans are just hyper feminine gay men who couldn't hack it
>most were out as gay men for years before transition
>couldn't hack it
>life as a trans woman is easier then being a gay man
kekeke

>'straight' trannies never fantasize about being fucked like a woman? or treated like one?
Sure but that in it's self isn't what turns them on, it's the guys physical body aswell that is arousing. An agp mtf is just aroused by their own body being female, that isn't normal or common by any means.

>why would you transition if not to satisfy the need to be treated as a women sexually?
Lol okay maybe you are a gay man after all. They transition because of body dysphoria which is not feeling right having a male body and also being in the male social role. The only people who transition for sexually reasons are agp mtfs.

>again, this doesn't affect 'straight' trannies?
No, straight trans feel anxiety and depression from gender dysphoria, not from having a life effecting fetish that interfers with daily life.

>>5199466
what if I insert as the woman mostly but sometimes as a (bottom/sub) man in gay fantasies and am mostly into girls?

>>5199248
It isn't real. It's just your usual Christian bullshit.

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>>5199248
That's right OP, there is no such thing as AGP.

>>5199273
No one would be willing to go through the hurdles of transition to fulfill a fetish. No one would go through social rejection to satisfy a kink.

>>5200158
>I know what you fantasize about because I'm telepathic.
You're grasping at straws and attempting to make a mockery of the other side instead of providing a real argument whilst making grandiose assumptions.
Go kill yourself, faggot.