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Girly accessories edition

▶Informed Consent Providers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/932389/Trans/Stepping%20Forward%20-%20Informed%20Consent%20Clinics.pdf
▶Makeup Tutorial: http://imgur.com/a/JO33K/
▶MTF Info Dump: http://pastebin.com/36HC6ZmT (embed)
▶Trans Info Dump: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9KKqP9IHa5ZxU84a_Jf0vIoAh7e8nj_lCW27KbYBh0/edit?usp=sharing
▶Size charts: http://www.americanapparel.net/sizing/default.asp?chart=womens.pantse_conversion_chart.php
ctrl+f this pookie
▶Transition timelines: http://imgur.com/a/qWpxv
▶jormy was born with a vagina
▶Voice Training: http://pastebin.com/dgipdsge (embed)
▶HRT info: https://web.archive.org/web/00000000000000/http://taimapedia.org/index.php?title=Hormones
▶one anon is wonderful
▶Voice Help: http://webjedi.net/projects/lgbtq/speech-therapy/
▶Minecraft Server: minecraft.is-so.moe

No Drama
No Bullying
No *actions*
No mustard

Lets do our best girls!~
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>>5170439
Old thread >>5168362
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>>5170439
t-thx based anon
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>>5170439
Threadly reminder transbians are straight males and sexual predators and do not belong here
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>>5170409
done. not my best work, but whatever.
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>>5170451
b-but who here wants to be qt transbian couple :DDDDD
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>>5170451
just a reminder you want your butt eaten out and pounded and love the attention
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>>5170439
first for good riddance to edgar/olrapeyface

first cheska, then maki, now that autist

let's see if we can't get rid of asshole booger next

we might actually be able to turn this general around
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>>5170451
Hey bb u wan sum fug? :DDD
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>>5170451
i'm not a transbian if i'm bi
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10th for soulcrushing depression and thoughts of suicide
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>>5170455
this is a sin help
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>>5170475
smart girl
>>5170470
pls
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>>5170478

- <3
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>>5170489
thanks
kind of want sweet release of death though.
is this the normal thing for trannys to get to that point where they realize their life is a joke and that everything is awful?
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I came out to my parents and sister today
Mom has been 100% cool and accepting, even if she doesn't really know much about being trans
Sister hasn't really shown any reaction and hasn't really women to me since
Dad is in full denial mode, claiming I have never done anything feminine ever, and that I need saving by Jesus.
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>>5170503
Pretty normal actually, but it does get better..
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>feefs thread
nah see ya
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>>5170510
wow
i didn't even come out to my parents and they both act like your dad
kill me pls
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>>5170510
>dat freudian slip
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>>5170516
kek, truly the worst meme
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>>5170523
It was AUTOCORRECT damit!
I typed spoken, not women
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>>5170516
here's hoping then.
the worst part is I was so happy and optimistic about my transition until today and now I just feel like shit and one of my religious friends wants to talk to me about stuff and if he says "God doesn't make mistakes" even one time I'm unfriending and blocking him
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>>5170528
It's not a meme, it's the truth. I'm sorry if your experiences have been different.
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>>5170503
i-is this the part where we hug?
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>>5170541
sure, I could really use one
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>>5170538
but anon, god doesn't make mistakes, he just puts the breathing tube in the same hole as the eating tube
he's a prebby smart guy if you haven't figured it out
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>>5170439
>white iphone, white top with ivory/light brown purse and starbucks
you mean basic bitch edition
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>>5170455
come on Abby draw my request <3
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>>5170552
I don't know what you look like.
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>>5170451
There is a grinder waiting here for you >>5170535

tfw not a transbian, but I will defend them
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>>5170538
Don't let people get you down vivi, what helps to remember is that you're going through the hardest portion of transition right now, the early part. A bit of optimism is great but it's still going to he hard. What does your religious friend want to talk to you about?
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>>5170538
eer... Well since you are transitioning, why do you bother to put up with that kind of stuff. Just tell them that you are happy the way things are going and nothing is going to change you.
>>5170544
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>>5170475
Nah you're a transbian in denial, sir
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>>5170545
only teh smartest

>>5170557
I guess it helps to know this is the hardest part but yea it's the hardest part. I'm usually pretty optimistic and I have some great friends but a lot has happened today and now I just feel like a failure.
He wants to talk about Planned Parenthood and that there's probably some good reasons to be against them and not to be so close-minded
which is completely and utterly ironic. He's kind of the type of guy who will get into an argument with anyone about anything.
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My friend just let me smoke the dankest of weed.
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>>5170560
thank you for the hug <3
and first he doesn't know I'm transitioning, cause I know he'd give me tons of shit for it.
Second I'm very passive and will just let people say stuff and do whatever and don't really put up any walls. I mean, I did a little last night (cause he wanted to talk at like 230 AM) but mostly I usually don't and just let people say shit and go along with it to make them happy. I know it's not healthy and something I need to work on but it's just how I've always been I guess
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>>5170572
>tfw never smoked weed

invite me
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>>5170584
He calls it Malaysia Airlines because once you have this, you're gone
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This guy at work has been hooking me up with some free foods so I was like I'm gonna hook this guy up with some food too. So I got him Chipotle with chips, soda, and guacamole. Then I gave it to him when he was off guard and he was so happy and suprised and was like "this day is amazing!" :DDD
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>>5170567
i'm not a transbian, i just have a crush on a girl...

>>5170594
fucking kek
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>>5170569
You're not a failure even if you may feel that way, there are going to be good days and bad days. Also, your friend sounds like they're being an ass tbqh. Please don't let them get you down or push you around, it's not worth being made to feel like shit over their own hangups.
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>>5170597
such his dick
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Who wants a pillow fight?
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>>5170598
Glad you got the joke bexe
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>>5170600
thanks. I guess I just let the hard days hit a little too hard.
And yea tbhon I might just remove him anyway cause he hasn't been helpful at all and I figured when I go fulltime since I'm gonna make a new Facebook that he wouldn't re-add me anyways so I was prepared to not talk to him again anyway
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>>5170553
i hate posting my face :<
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>>5170612
holy shit your face looks smoother than a baby's butt
how did you do it?
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>>5170581
ohh Well... idk If I were in that situation I'd probably slowly lose contact with them and make room for people that are more supportive and try to develop a relationship where "I respect you and they respect me." Like they won't start blabbing off everytime they see me saying "It's wrong that you are trans and (insert bible verse)."

I use to be pretty passive myself, I just got annoyed one day and was like "not worth it".

I hope you feel better and everything gets sorted out soon :/
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hi
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How does one go about changing their name and gender legally in the US? How do you change the name on degrees and HS diplomas?

This is one thing no one ever talks about here.
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>>5170614
she's intersex
also laser
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>>5170594
damn dude. send me some of that dank kush


or better yet... where do you live?
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>>5170612
hacker
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I just want you all to know that /mtfg/ looks like male-to-fag.

Which is pretty fuckin' accurate if you think about it.

Kek.
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>>5170623
I wanna know too :DDDDD
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>>5170614
idk honestly, i used to have a huge beard i'd rub on baby's heads to make them cry

>>5170633
u wot m8
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>>5170618
yea that's what I might plan to do. idk it's weird cause I was super Christian in high school and went to church all the time but once I stopped and started losing faith in God all my friends who were Christian stopped talking to me except him. And it's the same with my Uncle, who is VERY Christian and doesn't talk to my family because we "don't celebrate Christmas the correct Christian way." And like, I don't want to sound like neckbeard fedora man but it really makes Christianity leave a bad taste in my mouth, especially when I have Jewish and Muslim friends who are very ok and supportive with me transitioning.

And yea I know that's something I need to work on :/ Thank you very much anon for caring <3

>>5170623
town hall? I have a friend who recently went through with that and I think he did it at town hall

>>5170626
o-oh...hopefully I'll look like that after electrolysis
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>>5170581
Honestly, sometimes people like that just need to go, you only have a limited time on this planet, and theres no sense wasting it on people that aren't kind and supportive friends. You'll probably be better off for it if you lose contact with them and surround yourself with good people.
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>>5170639
>i used to have a huge beard i'd rub on baby's heads to make them cry
u wot
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>>5170639
i know u r sped sanic hacking!!! DDDD:<<
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hi
im an american and i would like to know where i can get started on hormones?
im on my own and i keep getting that panic-y feeling whenever i try to read up about it.
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>>5170649
yea that's point enough.
And I do have a lot of good and supportive friends, so I guess that's even less of a reason to let one person get me down.
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>>5170667
Best case scenario is finding informed consent where you live.
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After seeing a famous video game speedrunner go trans, its been making me think.

I've always thought of being a girl ever since I played and "roleplayed" one in Runescape back in like 04 (I'm 23 as of right now), but I thought it was more of a fetish thing. I've crossdressed before in public before and got some positive reception about it. I also felt really happy in girls clothes too and people do say I act like a girl on MMO's, (in which I usually always play a female character).

I'm so confused. I read this and each line gave me chills (http://pastebin.com/MLKYbtAD). I don't know if I actually am trans or I just want attention. How did you girls figure this out?
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>>5170670
informed consent?
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>>5170673
>How did you girls figure this out?
I just went 'fuck it' when I was drunk and bought some mones. Then I realised it was what I always wanted.
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>>5170673
Do you want to be a girl?
If you do, you're trans.

Pretty simple.
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>>5170677
First link in the OP for an (incomplete) list of places.
Informed consent is a gatekeeper free model for treating trans people. You won't have to go through months of psychiatrist visits before getting hormones and bloodwork.
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>>5170668
Exactly. ^^ Idk, I hope that it goes well though and that they don't do too much to get you down.
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>>5170687
Is there an option for both?
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>>5170673
>2. Alternatively, if I had a magic button that you could press that would make you wake up tomorrow still as a boy, but without any of the gender issues you've been having, not questioning your gender, and able to live happily as a boy with zero dysphoria, would you press it?
>tfw i wouldn't press the button

>How did you girls figure this out?
realised i would rather kill myself than live my life out as a man
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>>5170634
I went from manly man to girly girl actually.
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Hey /mtfg/
rate my new mobile theme
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>>5170696
Can you be both male and female?
No.

How would that even look?
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>>5170714
wwhat about genderqueers
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>>5170716
A social fad, or movement.

They aren't trans.
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>>5170709
poop
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>>5170714
>How would that even look?
Like an intersex person (hermaphrodite) or a trans individual?
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>>5170729
poop's cool
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>>5170673
wait wait who was the speedrunner?

also i think it is likely you are trans
personally i think one of the best ways to think about it is to forget all about definitions, and whether you're "really" trans or not and just ask yourself "if I transition am I likely to be happier than if I don't?"
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>>5170725
kek don't say that to Circe
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>>5170623
It varies from state to state.

Lambda Legal has some starting info.
http://www.lambdalegal.org/know-your-rights/transgender/changing-your-documents-resources

For Iowa, UIHC LGBTQ clinic has the info on their site. Well, I thought so, here is the PDF:
http://www.pflagcr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Iowa-Guide-To-Changing-Legal-Identity-Documents-4-30-14.pdf

For California, there is a good PDF file about that describes the whole process.
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>>5170737
Cosmo Wright, now known as Narcissa Wright.

[spoiler]Should've named herself Wanda[/spoiler]
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>>5170750
>cosmo
I KNEW IT
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Why no mustard?
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>>5170750
Hon name
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>tfw letting facial hair grow out so I can pull it out
>really want to shave it
>but then ill be stuck with stubble
>but I have to deal with having it until its long enough to grip with tweezers
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>>5170692
no haha don't worry. I actually after you said that just went and deleted like 60 people including them from Facebook cause I realized I didn't need that right now. If they care enough they'll add me again
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also in my fit of depression I decided to look for epilators to buy
should I get this one? http://www.amazon.com/Philips-HP6401-Satinelle-Epilator-White/dp/B00742JW8S/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1446587051&sr=1-1&keywords=epilator and is that too expensive for an epilator?
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>>5170750
Damn he's butt ugly.
Why is it always "gamers"? The term has become synonymous with loser.
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>>5170758
mustard and ketchup are mortal enemies
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>>5170737
>if I transition, would I be happier?

I've been depressed for awhile now and usually gender identity has been at the bottom of my other reasons to be depressed. Things like social anxiety, shyness, stuff like that. I always felt like being a girl would mean those types of things would be more acceptable?

Then again, I'm still not sure if I'm just doing it for the attention or not...I haven't crossdressed in awhile because I'm a bit overweight. If I was really trans, would it matter what weight I am?
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Caddy you still lurking?
What happened at work?
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>>5170612
god damn
stop making me want to fanboy
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>>5170781
I have it, it works nicely. I'm not sure what to say about it though, it really hurts and I couldn't get myself to keep going with it.

>>5170789
>I always felt like being a girl would mean those types of things would be more acceptable?
Don't transition because you think problems that aren't exclusive to men would be easier as women
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>>5170744
Thank you. I will do some more research on it now.
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>>5170796
ugh

ugh...
kayla cuteposting

ugh
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>>5170750
Really?
He even used to wear nail polish.

I think I've thought about it at some point.

>>5170782
He used to look better than that though.
Gonna need a rhinoplasty though, that nose is way far outside female ranges.
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>>5170789
The Holy Garments of Femininity can not be donned unless you are in peak physical condition, both body and soul.
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>>5170789
>I'm still not sure if I'm just doing it for the attention or not
if you were doing it for attention you'd know

that said, being a girl does not at all make those things more acceptable or easier to deal with, and transitioning cause you think it will help with those is a bad idea
transition if it'll help dysphoria and gender identity stuff, not in the hopes it'll fix your other issues
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>>5170800
I love happy kayla
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>>5170790
The girl, my friend, got fired and they won't tell me why. Idk how to contact her. She got me this job. She put in a good word for me and vouched for me and reminded me when positions were open and how to apply. We worked together before at the café before the library. Im pretty upset about it.
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>>5170750
>cosmo is trans

instantly obvious when she was in that Mario Maker event

good for her, although that name is terrible
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>>5170766
When I have to wait for it to grow back I stay at home lol. I'm not going out of there with 5 o' clock just like I don't use female restrooms.
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>>5170800
Just UGH.

>>5170801
That's actually one of the better photos. The 2nd and 3rd search terms are "Cosmo Wright teeth" (looks bad mang) and "Cosmo Wright nails" (looks even worse).
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>>5170766
Are you a good candidate for laser? If not, you'll need electro and you're fucking up some shit by plucking. Go to any electro and they'll tell you the same, also you are just making it worse by stimulating the follicle by plucking.
Do you want thicker hair? Just shave, deal with stubble with concealer/foundation.
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>>5170806
its like too cute for life

>>5170814
uuugghh
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>>5170467
Is edgar gone?
I know the other two are but not edgar
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>>5170807
Oh I am sorry to hear that. Are you sure it wasn't the usual corporate fuckery? Aren't all of you outsourced (based on those notepads you post)?
Can you get her contact info from some kind soul over at that pit of vipers HR dept.?
And are you worried that your pretty, little head might be next?
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>>5170818
>with concealer/foundation.
I'll look into that, that'll help me with my acne scars too probably.
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>>5170819
Kayla really can't into cute. Or pretty much anything else.
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>>5170789
>Then again, I'm still not sure if I'm just doing it for the attention or not
lol that's literally what I thought when I was still questioning but honestly if you've felt this way for years do you really think you're just doing it for attention?
Also it doesn't necessarily matter what weight you are, but it does help to be a lower weight because of the way fat is distributed depending on gender, so most of your fat is in "male" areas, and will make you look more male

>>5170792
for the prospect of looking pretty and womanly I'll deal with the pain. I've been plucking up until now but it's just getting too tedious
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>>5170809
>deadnaming
thanks dreamleague
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>>5170831
y-yes she can
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>>5170803
Alright, I think I'm starting to realize things. Maybe I'm not trans and it was just a phase? I haven't put on make up or actively tried to crossdress in about 2 years. Sometimes I do imagine what my life would've been like if I was a cute girl but it does center around having the attention...
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>>5170834
merely a revelatory exclamation senpai desu
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>>5170790
Also this is the second time this has happened. Im losing all of my allies. Idk why it's policy that we can't talk about why people just disappear.

Those were the only two people who I know were okay with me being trans. Everyone else I have no idea. I guess my two supervisors since they hired me and probably know my legal name.

>>5170827
Outsourced? Idk what you mean. Well supervisor assured me I was doing well. Since I couldn't ask about her (which I did) I just asked if I was doing anything wrong I didn't realize and I asked him to please correct me because I'm still relatively new here and don't realize it if I'm doing something wrong. I didn't think she did anything wrong so yes I'm worried. He tried to console me and just said he would tell me, and that he was glad to see was more confident at work which was my only issue in the beginning. I feel like the first only thing I bring to the table is a good attitude. He said that's not something you can train, but everything else I can learn so he's glad I was hired.

Part of me doesn't believe him
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>>5170822
Edgar is at least anon, possibly gone completely. He got btfo last thread for being a fake and hasn't made any obvious posts since. Only a few people here really liked him anyway.
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>>5170846
You have no idea how much of a problem stuttering is. You just make fun of it.
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>>5170870
I stutter irl though
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>>5170867
Yeah at least with maki and cheska they had there fair share of people that liked and disliked them.
I don't think anybody would miss edgar even over any other shitposter
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>>5170870
>You have no idea how much of a problem stuttering is.
I stutter IRL, to the point I didn't talk a lot till I was 18 and I don't get butthurt about it online though
Take a grill pill and chill.
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>>5170878
me too
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>>5170878
Post a vocaroo. I could use a laugh.
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>>5170887
:(
I actually stutter way less since I started transition
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>>5170894
A friend of mine stuttered soooo bad, but not when he spoke Chinese. He became fluent after living there for years and I was fascinated.
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>>5170867
Do you have a link? I wondered what happened
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>>5170867
Thank god for that, thought it would never end
I almost stopped coming here over that freak
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I don't want to jinx it but I might have destroyed some hair follicles on my upper lip by plucking.

Adri was right.
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>>5170881
>Take a grill pill
kek
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>>5170898
it's really interesting learning about stutters.
We watched this TED Talk in one of my classes and it's amazing, cause she stutters really badly but doesn't stutter at all when she sings. Curious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MegHiL93B0
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>>5170906
sure, >>5169660 onwards
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Closet MTF TG here.

I have a fairly feminine figure from certain angles, but from other angles no so much. Cycling and hiking hill country have given me monster quadriceps, that stand out like throbbing Arnie Schwartzeneger thighs.

What the hell can I do for this apart from dressing to cover them up? I don't want to try to drop my activity level and diet, to waste away much muscle mass, which probably wouldn't work very well anyway.

I wish I was on HRT so they would calm down, but that's not an option. :/
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>>5170927
Cheers. Also, thank fuck for that, I was thinking it but I didn't want to be the one to say it ;~;
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>>5170863
I was under the impression you workplace was handled by some outsourcing company.
And this might be different where you are but they will never tell you that you are about to be let go (for whatever reason). I wouldn't put too much stock in what your supervisor says, him being just a cog. It's a lot easier to supervise someone who isn't planning to take home his or hers weight in office supplies.
Also I had no idea there's so much employee churn at public libraries.
You might get the full story from a friend of a friend.
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you're all nice people
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>>5170944
Yeah seriously, even asking them to stop using my deadname as their fucking trip didn't do anything... fucking autist.
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>>5170952
I also like everyone.
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>>5170927
mfw I was partly responsible for him fucking off.
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>>5170941
Muscles, being so metabolically expensive, are the first to go when not exercised. So either ease up on cycling/hiking, cut calories or take up weight lifting so your upper body catches up with you nutcracker thighs.
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>>5170956
It had to be done anon. I am sure you took no pleasure in it.
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>>5170954
holy shit your parents named you edgar ?
sry, but i think they never really loved you and you can be glad to have changed your name desu
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>>5170954
they switched the g and d around to become 'egdar' as if that actually helped at all

i wish y'all didn't bully poor 'egdar' away but the name thing was ridiculous and i was getting really frustrated about that
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>>5170954
I am vaguely hoping if Noelle makes a come back it won't be with one of the most fucking masculine names in the english language.
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>>5170952
Fuck you Kiwi
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>>5170964
Its honestly for their own good though. The way eggie behaved suggests that they have something else wrong with them, and not GD. I don't like to see people potentially ruin their lives, eggie needs a shrink before going any further than this.

Idk, I've tried to be gentle and eggie didn't respond, so anons bullying them just sort of had to happen
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>>5170963
>holy shit your parents named you edgar ?
That's what they said too lol
yeah, I'm Mexican, it's not uncommon to them. it just brings back bad memories especially being teased for having a big forehead, they called me "head"gar
That was my only problem, just the stupid name, I didn't really care much after that, even filtering still leaves the stub...
>>5170964
Meh, they had no real connection to the name yet refused to actually change it instead of modifying it.
>>5170970
If they do come back as Noelle, I hope they're ready to ignore some shitposters but have some self-awareness which includes not having a dumb guy name.
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>>5170974
I bullied with the best of intentions...honest.
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Poor edgar.
He came here hoping for some understanding regarding his social ineptitude and general stupidity and instead got himself under attack by people dropping their trips just so they can take a swing at him as anon.
For shame!
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>>5170956
>tfw you're the one responsible
I'm so proud of myself.
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>>5170988
trip on egdar
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>>5170996
>>5170956
Based, nice to have backup.
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>>5170974
but i don't think the bullying made them stop hormones and go to a shrink
so i don't know if that was the right thing

>>5170975
yeah, that's pretty shitty
i have to say i don't really hate my name that much in the short version since it's gender neutral
i wouldn't want the female version to be my girlname though
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The only thing I will say about edgar was the way he smiles is physically frightening.
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>tfw you're not edgar
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>>5170987
Thank you for doing the dirty deed, I couldn't bring myself to do it desu
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>>5170988
What did you expect from a bunch of bitter shut-in hons?
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You men with tits hate yourselves so much you literally always need a boogeyman to shit on. It's just a couple small cliques who bully the fuck out of anyone who shows up.

Seriously, you're all fucking disappointments to your families. You're just playing dressup for another year or two before you realize there's no way out and you finally kill yourself.
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>>5171015
Hi Edgar
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yikes this place seems wild right now
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>>5171015
>>5171011
don't make me say it again
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>>5171003
Maybe I'm being hopelessly optimistic they would. Idk if it's the right thing, but having them continue to post here isn't going to help either. I've tried to reach them and say to find a shrink.
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Hey has anyone bought anything from J list? Are they a legit site?
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>>5171015
edgar seek help, if you are trans then therapy will help if not then it will fix you
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>>5170988
All he had to do was change his trip and stop posting his face 20 times per thread
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>>5171015
This. Middle-school bully mentality. Picking on the weak to feel better about your own shitty lives.

#justhonthings
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>>5171015
>tfw chaser
I just chase them out of the thread though ;^)
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>>5171034
hm maybe this is angie creating edgar drama actually
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>>5171027
what are you buying?
are you going full weeb?
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>>5171027
Yes and yes

>tfw sucking 8 inch cock in a shirt that says "property of senpai"

>tfw when i modded it to be a cutoff for tummy
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>>5171027
Yes and yes.
get some qt shimapan

What are you looking to buy?
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>>5171027
I thought you didn't like anime
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>>5171037
I want my own pair of cute chopsticks, some candy, and a little figurine of this girl, she is my power animal
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>>5171015
I fail to see how a bunch of hysterically insecure trannies is able to bully anyone.
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>>5171034
>#justhonthings

I like that you say that because Edgar identified as a hon and said so all the time
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>>5171046
>qt shimapan
>kaylas butt in shimapan
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>>5171015
>>5171034
desu this is why im afraid to ever trip and/or post photos
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>>5171055
Edgar didn't post that.
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>>5171047
You don't really have to like anime to shop for qt japanese things.
You can be a weeb without liking anime too.

Elevate your knowledge girl.
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i've felt cute lately and i think it's because i haven't been posting here actually
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>>5171055
Most who have been on estro for literally 4 days are hons. He certainly wasnt genetically gifted in any way but picking on him was like playing 1v1 basketball with a 5 year old, dunking and yelling "IN YOUR FACE FAGGOT". Could just filter and move on to be h.
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>>5171067
yeah not having ppl yell ugly things at you every thirty seconds will generally help someone feel better
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>>5171047
I just have a hard time finding stuff I wanted to see. Like there was one show where a guy had to hide from a debt collector as a highschool girl and eventually transitions. Which one is that? She is bullied too btw.
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Does anyone else hear the electronic security gates they have at like retail stores or the library to make sure no one steals?
Not like, have you heard the alarm, but do you hear the sound they make all the time?
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>>5171067
Let's hope you'll become even cutter.
You and mercury both.
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mfw Kayla cute posts
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>>5171077
yea but i miss my friends like anna and shannon
how are you?
>>5171081
ty anon me 2
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>>5171062
Look through the archive, even page 1 has a couple.
>>5171072
Jfc, lay off... are you really comparing their mental capacity to that of a 5 year old when they've stated they have actual mental issues?
Holy shit, off that high horse.
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>>5170941
You should lift heavy and get gains.

No reason to avoid building on your solid foundation.
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>>5171085
i am the same
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>>5171092
Fuck that looks horrible.
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>>5171077
This place is a shithole of NEET hons whose entire life's ambition revolves around looking good enough in a wig to shove things up their asshole for closeted faggots on the internet.
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>tfw you were getting close to getting your letter from an online doctor
>have to push back an appointment
>something else comes back and you have to push it back again
>she stops responding for months
th-thanks, y-you too
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>>5171084
Y-you're making me blush anon kun
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>>5171096
Oh angie you shouldn't talk like that about your bf.
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>>5171093
i wish you were better than the same
dude it started snowing today. i took my dog nina out and she tried eating the snow. she was really excited. snow was not meant for her. she got super cold and had to go in pretty soon. i'm gonna take her out for another trip in a few. i'm glad she likes it. she likes fetching snowballs.
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>>5171089
I wasnt making any reference to Edgars mental problems with that analogy actually. I was referencing how needless it is to bully someone who already feels like absolute shit when you could just filter and move on. Might wanna calm down there. Maybe its time to schedule an orchi steve austin.
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>>5171096
oh? thats a bit odd.

>>5171103
that sounds so fucking ADORABLE.
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>>5171079
I want to know too
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>>5171106
>Might wanna calm down there. Maybe its time to schedule an orchi steve austin.
top fucking kek
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>>5171080
I do. Bothers me a lot.
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>>5171098
I've seen doctors take months-long vacations
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>>5171119
That's true, and everyone I've read who have used her are positive and her credentials check out so maybe that's just what it is.
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>>5171119
Those weren't vacations.
They just didn't want to deal with you.
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>>5171111
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>>5171106
>Might wanna calm down there.
I was telling YOU to calm down, did you miss the "Jfc, lay off?"
I thought I was the one calming your t-rage tbhon

also

>bully

NIGGA
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>>5171116
It's awful isn't it?
I hate noises like that
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everybody ITT
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>>5171128
I always hear it on the way into the library at my uni, drives me up the wall. It's the worst.
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>>5170941
i'm in a similar boat to you. cycling and stuff like that isn't that big a deal though, muscle comes from lifting heavy things. go vegan/vegetarian for awhile to get rid of protein in your diet if you want to be really serious. calorie deficit, cardio
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>>5170791
no
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>>5171126
taken the sknittles yet?
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>>5171125
I entirely avoid causing problems for people in real life, but
1) anons aren't people
2) you don't know who I am
>>
who /dinner/ here?
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>>5171126
mhm

>>5171132
hey, squeeze my head with your legs
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>>5171132
i just got back from jogging 3 miles myself (._. )
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>>5171137
is that bowl full of ketchup?
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>>5171137
stop eating so much kayla, damn
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>>5171135

I take no pills. I grow beard.

>>5171138

dis is u
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>>5171137
I had a pbj and a cup of chicken pie and two cans of coke zero
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>>5171132
Have you seen track cyclists? Quadzillas m8.
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>>5171139
Oh mah gawd!
Full 3 miles?!
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>>5171064
Oh I know but there's a lot of overlap between weeby stuff and anime you have to admit.

>>5171079
That sounds interesting, I kinda want to watch that now.

>>5171129
Nah m8
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>>5170467
>>5171029
>>5170944
>>5170956
>>5170961
>>5170974
>>5171001

What the fuck is wrong with you people? Edgar was pretty annoying and whined a lot but so did 95% of you when you were just starting out and in shitty situations, just look at how Kayla used to be until recently. She obviously has other issues but if she believes transitioning will make her happier, and has felt this way for most of her life, then what's the problem? It's not like she was rushing into it pretending it could fix all of her problems, like that questioning anon in the last thread. Sure, the thing with her trip was frustrating, but a lot of people here seemed to be pushing her to move faster than necessary making real-life changes. You don't have to go fulltime, come out and get your documents changed 4 weeks into hormones. At worst you could have at least just filtered her and carried on as usual.

Gosh, I must never let myself forget why this website has the reputation it does.
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>>5171142
Is that a Cenobite?
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>>5171144
Very different training from road cycling though.
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>>5171140
YES

>>5171141
I can't help it, on progesterone my appetite is crazy, but I didn't consume one calorie today so I have been a good girl, also I am going to run a few miles after dinner.


>>5171143
did you enjoy it?
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>>5171147
Fuck off to tumblr fag.
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>>5171140
>is that bowl full of ketchup?
Looks like it
>kayla.gif
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>>5171150

It's a faggot crossed with a marshmallow
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>>5171119
>want to make an appointment with shrink to start official transition
>i have strong social anxiety and hate calling people
>he only takes calls from 11.30 to 12 am
>don't have the courage to call
>wait a week until i have late shift again
>still don't have the courage
>procrastinate till wednesday
>actually have the courage to call
>it says someone else is in the line
>wait 10 minutes
>still occupied
>let's try it tommorrow
>try it 3 times the next day, noone answers
>4th time i hear a voice
>we're on vacation till next week, please call then
>fuck it
now i have to call him next week
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>>5171147
It's not hard to see that Edgar is the kind of person you would ignore if they tried to talk to you in public.

This isn't Susans or Reddit.
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>>5171147
>tfw edgar was one of the only trips I kinda liked
>>5171155
You are goddamn dumb.
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>>5171142
mhm
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>>5171147
Chill the fuck out, you realise the person you're defending actually has admitted to having ASD and several other things wrong with them that could very easily be mistaken for GD right? They don't need encouragement, they need therapy.
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>>5171095
lol no
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>>5171147
I had nothing to do with this one
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>>5171162

dis is me
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>>5171161
Bitch be gone!
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>>5171164
everyone here needs therapy
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>>5171159
iktf phones scare the crap out of me, but I have no problem talking to people face to face.
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>>5171168
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>>5171160
>implying that that doesn't apply to at least half the people ITT
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>>5171152
Oh yeah I know, I'm just saying since maddie said "cycling and stuff" ;3
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>>5171153
No
>>5171159
Phones are about as bad as electronic security gates >.>
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>>5171165
Why not skip roid beasts with clits bigger than your dick, trannies and femboys and just go straight to hardcore gay?
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>>5171159
>phone anxiety

it is the fucking worst, i wish everywhere would let you just manage everything online

though i am getting over it a lot more due to having to make tons of calls recently. being gendered a gril definitely helps too even though the details they have say 'mr'

>are you speaking on behalf of mr anon
>n-no this is anon
>....okay
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>>5171169
Some honestly need it more than others.
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>>5171147
get a trip so I can filter You
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>>5171145
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>>5171147
>just look at how Kayla used to be until recently
Let's be honest, she still goes off on anyone who vaguely tries to help.

As for Noelle, there was a lot more going on than just the trip. The fetishy wardrobe wasn't helping, the bullshit with shaving.

The constant insistence that they're somehow this barrel chested monstrosity rather than some borderline scrawny skinnyfat kid. Reposting the same shitty, untrained vocaroo, the same shitty, obviously posed pics deliberately made to look the worst, the older trip.

Noelle has been very dedicated to this bullshit for the past six months. So here's the secret: even femboys make some effort.
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>>5171167
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>>5171164
The only thing that needs therapy is your dad-butt hon
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>>5171167
dis b u tbqh
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>>5171194
dad-butts unite
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>>5171170
yeah, it's actually a lot easier to talk face to face
i mean, i still have some problems with that sometimes
but phones are the worst
if it wasn't for phones i would have transition years ago

>>5171181
oh god, i'm so scared of having to make a lot of phone calls in the future
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>>5171194
That's even worse than madison.

>>5171184
Getting defensive over measly 3 miles is really taking it too far.
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>>5171194
Excuse me but y r u saving pictures of my butt? ?___?
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>>5171202
this kitty's got claws anon

(i don't think 3 miles is a lot, i can't really run much more though)
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>>5171203
Because I'm a chaser and I like it.
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>>5171201
I needlessly delayed the first appointment with my vocal therapist for 4 months because I had to book it by phone...such shame.
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>>5171208
Y do u make fun of me if u like it n.n
U can't explain that
Elanna: 1
Chaser: 0
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>>5171111
i'll send you snaps, i been sendin em all day
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im stuffed, I wouldn't mind some cookies though but sadly I don't have any. Also that meal was only 900 calories so that was the only calories I had today. I am going for a run now so see ya later grills.
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>>5171217
>im stuffed
lewd
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>>5171217
There were at least 900 calories in that bowl of ketchup.
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>>5171217
make sure you run more than three miles or shut-in weeb trannies will criticize you.
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>>5171203
>>5171208
>>5171212
Samedad
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>>5171225
>shut-in weeb trannies
I take offense at that.
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>>5171225
damn you're salty

go run some more, maybe you'll burn off some of that muscle babe.
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>>5171216
nice
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>>5171193
>>5171198
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>>5171226
Nah
>>
About to come out to my best friend @[email protected] only the second person ever for me to tell

>tfw butterflies in stomach
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>>5171242
Good luck anon!
It gets a little easier each time.
>>
>>5171242
Good luck senpai.
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>>5171242
Good luck anon remember to suck his dick
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>>5171236
ur disrupting my thread
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>>5171242
If he doesn't understand just make sweet passionate love to him.
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>>5171137
>>5171217
>pile of fries
>pile of chicken tenders
>bowl of ketchup
>900 calories
lmao
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>>5171254
your cat is the hamburgler
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>>5171246
i came out two people until now and i was always so fucking drunk i can be happy to even remember i came out to them
i actually don't know much about the talk i had with a friend after i came out to her
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>>5171242
Good luck! ^^
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>>5171194
Elanna has a boy butt pass it on haha!
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>>5171254

ur disrupting my life
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>>5171266
this was meant for this
>>5171242
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>>5171269
>Elanna has a cute butt pass it on

`3`
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>>5171232
lol are you the same anon from the other night? why don't you like me bb
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>>5171280
8/10 would bang
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>>5171246
>>5171249

thanks girls ;~;

>>5171250
>>5171256
l-lewd

>>5171267
thanks for our long venting session earlier today bby. it really really gave me courage ^_^

>>5171266
at least u did it! i'm still sliiiiightly hung over but i want to get past this now rather than later ^^
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>>5171284
>bb
body building is what you shouldn't be doing

I don't dislike you, you've just been annoying lately. Your posts are so inconsistent and feel like you're being too defensive.
Even playful banter gets to you butt fuck it, I guess I won't even play with you anymore.
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>>5171269
>mfw when i saw that butte
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>>5171137
Did someone say /dinner/?
>grill up two fresh cut porter house steaks on the grill
>seasoned and grilled to medium rare aka perfection
>also make two baked potatoes on the grill wrapped in foil with all the toppings (butter, sour cream, bacon bits, and cheddar cheese)
>small side of steamed broccoli
I'm so stuffed right now but I'm eating some after dinner chocolates.
>>
>>5171271
ur gay
>>
>>5171296
ur gay and ugly.
>>
>>5171264
this i know to be true

>>5171271
ur gay
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>>5171291
explain you're a girl by being his
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>>5171295
>that description
I am so hot for you right now.
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Does anime have better portrayal of trannies than western media?
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>>5171296
>>5171303

ur both gay

with eachother
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>>5171295
Was one of those plates for me?
>>
bye /mtfg/
i'll go to sleep now
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>>5171309
>western media trannies

99% is street corner prostitutes
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>>5171311
godamn right we are
we're iin love
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>>5171295
>small side of steamed broccoli
>main course isn't the broccoli
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>>5171306
I'm a professional chef too and love cooking.
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>>5171309
Orange is the New Black and one of the Sherlock Holmes shows are the only 2 that come to mind.
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>>5171316

Faggot love
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>>5171320
>main course isn't bexe
>jdimsa
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>>5171320
>tfw no brocolli gratin
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>>5171179
You seem upset.
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>>5171036
I don't have a problem with Edgar though.

>>5171102
I kek'd
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>>5171309
reminder that western media doesn't have cute traps
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u-uh
now I get why girls say they get spaghetti legs after orgasming haha...
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>>5171326
you're a faggot love
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>>5171320
Why would the main course be broccoli? lol
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>>5171326
i hate u
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>>5171304
n-no (he's hella uggs and nearly obese desu)
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>>5171341

https://youtu.be/UdSKWKZFdrU?t=13m8s

>>5171348

https://youtu.be/UdSKWKZFdrU?t=8m49s
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>>5171352
He's probably got a big fat cock to satisfy you with though.
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>>5171327
>tfw can't eat broccoli with anon before cuddling

>>5171343
because i fucking love broccoli desu

>>5171329
nah just regular broccoli
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>>5171343
why wouldnt it be?
what have you got against brocolli?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzDwDi5844
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>>5171338
shemales make cuter girls tobehonest.
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>>5171309
>>5171315
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>>5171352
You're transitioning to be a qt grill
He'll transition to be a qt boyfriend
Don't leave him hanging..
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>>5171365
>I love broccoli
To be honest I eat one then gave the rest to my dog.

>mfw trying to eat broccoli
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>>5171365
>because i fucking love broccoli desu
I like... really love broccoli.
Omg bexe, OMG BEXE.
11/10 best waifu
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>>5171370
mtfg.jpg
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>>5171370
>>5171377
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>>5171365
u broccoli crazy girl i respect that
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if you live in the north like me you might be able to see the northern lights tonight
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>>5171385
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>>5171377
>you will never be a qt neko boy, owned by a qt bf who fucks you relentlessly all night to take out his frustrations over college life

Why live?
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>>5171269
I'm OK with this

>>5171280
>>5171294
>>5171286
o///o;

>>5171385
>>5171392
Lmfao
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>>5171302
thank god im not!!!!!!!!!!

>>5171326
>>5171311
its called dyke love u fucking REtard
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>>5171364
uhh he's rlly gross tho and im not attracted to him at all fat + gross + ugly = me no likey

>>5171371
that's alright id rather work on not hating myself before i start slutty thoughts like that desu
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>>5171400

ree
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>>5171400
>its called dyke love u fucking REtard
This is the only funny thing I have ever seen you post.
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So this qt FtM I'm interested in just told me today that they're actually non-binary and prefer they/them pronouns. I'm not really sure what to think because they present entirely masculine and have been on T for a while, so I don't think they are a tumblr-tier transtrender or anything.
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>>5171400
I thought it was called heterosexuality?
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kitty time
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>>5171427
Tell them you'll call them whatever they want and that you prefer slut/slutself.
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>>5171431
hey rawr how are you
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>>5171427
you thinking about hitting that?
if no, then why waste time thinking about it?
ask /ftmg/ t b h
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>>5171395
>being okay with your dadbutt

And thats how hons are made, son.
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Do people play on the minecraft server? I wanna join!
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>>5171431
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and now I'm bleeding too
weeeeeeeeeeeeee
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tfw not cute
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>>5171431


>>5171451
You aren't alone.
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is more hair supposed to shed when it's longer? whenever i shower i feel like i'm losing a decent amount more hair than i used to and its kinda worrying
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>>5171445
>not being OK with things you can't change
That's how neuroses appear, you should work on that. Besides, other people seem to be OK with my butte.
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>>5171458
what is wrong with you oryx?
you're as bad as rawr desu
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>>5171462
>things you can't change

http://imgur.com/gallery/o3ZNt

Move that lazy butt
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>>5171431
Hi michelle
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>>5171459
According to my mom, who is a cosmetologist, you lose, like, 100 hairs a day normally (I think is what she had said way back when), so once it's long you start noticing just how much you are losing on a day-to-day basis.
Shit, I don't know, google it.
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>>5171469
>getting a big muscly butt
No thanks
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>>5171479
>not wanting to look amazing in yogapants
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Hello I went to the mtfgen minecraft server today
Nobody there was trans and they were actually extremely rude to me about my transition and my life. Actions need to be taken against those people
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>>5171492
im on it
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>>5171492
nobody even knows who runs it
it should be shut down desu
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>>5171493
lez team up and beat em up :DDDD
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>>5171496
>lez team
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>>5171485
Honestly, I'm actually totally fine with that part of my body being the way it is.
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>>5171492
what are their names
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>>5171501
>>5171501
naem?
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>>5171479
Lol maybe if you compile code or whatever autistic boy thing you do hard enough your butt will just magically not be a dad-butt
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>>5171511
Honestly if you go on now its probably all of them in their
One was thelink or something similar
one was den something
and there was one more
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after you get srs can you get fucked so hard he tears your vagina open?
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>request trans propaganda
>library actually orders it

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
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>>5171518
Again, I'm OK with my butt, and with my hobbies. You should find something that I'm actually self conscious about desu.
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>>5171552
Your confidence is sexy.
Let me do things to and inside your butte.
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>tfw gonna go to the cinema on my own for the first time ever to see The Danish Girl

Where did it all go wrong?
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post butts
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>>5171560
no
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>>5171558
I was supposed to quote you but oh well
>>5171539
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>>5171552
>actually self conscious about
I'm not there cuddling with you
;~;
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>do lewd butt stuff
>going to go to the gym after
is this gonna end up bad? I'm not quite sore but just...not the same I guess
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>>5171560
mine fell off
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>>5171463
No one can be as bad as that ugly faggot.
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>>5171568
just be careful not to fart cum out your shorts
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>>5171539
yesss yessssss we will make all of the children into degenerates ehehehe
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>>5171573
please don't bully michelle
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>>5171580
I'm just telling the truth. Stop trying to suck his dick, dogfucker.
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>>5171557
C-can you do things to my front-butte too? O////O;

>>5171567
>tfw no cuddles
;~;
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>>5171560
http://i.imgur.com/GqFj3GF.jpg

r8 muh butte
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>>5171588
Yes. All buttes will leak for days.
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>>5171552
Not that anon but you do have a ridiculous daddy ass.
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>>5171591
that's a bruddy good butte
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>>5171593
her hips negate anything you might think is "dad"
maybe it's because I'm Irish
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>>5171574
>implying I have a boy to mess with
hahaha....
ha...
ha ;-;
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>>5171592
l-lewd o///o;

>>5171593
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>5171591

Slut
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Agree/disagree?
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Soo I just came out to all my friends <_<; it went extremely well and they're all supportive. This is the weirdest flippin feel ever. I'm still full boy mode and yet they are so nice to me. oh well happy day!

/blog
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Why do I smell like tuna down there? Is my gt eaten up by cooties?
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>>5171595
^^

>>5171604
Nyuh
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>>5171608

Super AIDS. It's terminal.
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>>5171607
Good work anon. Coming out is the first step to getting a train run on you.
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>>5171591
how long on mones
what exercises you do
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>>5171606
dont give a fuck, i only go in there to pee
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How do you guys deal with the whole washrooms being a safe place for people of that gender debacle?

>>5171606
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>>5171619
By passing.
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>>5171591
would creampie/10
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>>5171616
2 and a half years of mones, and I ride my bike occasionally, aside from that nothing. I need to get a workout regime started to make it better.

It was always big tho before mones
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How do you girls feel about Cosmo being trans? I really respect her for coming out, hopefully she'll still go to AGDQ
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okay who started this meme that transwomen like death grips?
Is it the same person who said most transwomen are straight?
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>>5171608
its because your tinkler is smaller and urine and smega stuff gets trapped in there easier and because your urine smells different and your girljuice is different texture and smell it all makes for a different aroma wafting from your genitals that smells more girlish even though its not
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>>5171608
congrats anon, you are gonna be visiting by the vulva fairy soon.
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>>5171608
You need to wash it.
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>>5171623
yeah, but also how do you debate it if people are on the side of trans-women not being allowed in women's washrooms because it makes it not a safe place.
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hello?
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>>5171630
i am jellier than jelly

>It was always big tho before mones
tfw forever dadbutt
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>>5171639
>tfw no one to wash my girltinkler

>>5171645
I don't. Arguing doesn't change people's minds.
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>>5171634
Oh that makes sense sorta.

>>5171639
I wash myself after every bathroom visit and I shower every day. How more do I need to wash myself?
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>>5171650
I'll wash your gt anon.
With my mouth.
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>>5171619
i use bathrooms for handicapped people
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>>5171645
I ask them if they sincerely think there's magical wards stopping men from entering the women's restrooms that somehow letting trans women in will mess up.

And why a man who would just have to push a door would go to the ridiculous bother of crossdressing while very likely not passing in public to act like a creep when he can already do that perfectly fine in his normal clothes.
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>>5171613
Speaking of super aids
>>5171646
Here's aids right here
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>>5171650
yeah, but what it kinda imposes on your rights to use the washroom
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>>5171646
hi
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>>5171657
That sounds wonderful.

>>5171665
No one is ever going to start checking genitals before entering washrooms. It's a really stupid alarmist argument that never actually impacts us.
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who wants to fug
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>>5171669
>No one is ever going to start checking genitals before entering washrooms
How do I get this job?
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>>5171669
It does start impacting us indirectly when pearl clutching suburbanites start freaking about us because a butch lesbian used the ladies'
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>>5171650
Is that an invitation anon? I have some good mouth action ^^

>>5171655
Idk desu, maybe it's the type of soap you're using.
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>>5171672
*fugs*
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>>5171678
>dadbutt action
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>>5171669
Here's the thing. In the high school I went to, there's this whole debate over this transgirl (albeit non-passing, but oh well) and whether they feel safe with her there. That's the reason why those posters have been posted outside the washrooms.
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>>5171672
guf me hard
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>>5171631
idk, at least she's not like another bruce jenner but I can't say that I'll like the increase of shit we're going to get from gamer autists because of this.
It must be hard transitioning when you have such a large online following. If I were in her position I'd have abandoned my online persona completely but I guess that's her job.
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>>5171672
My mouth is leaking mouth juices.
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Is dating as a lesbian easier that dating as a male into women?
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>>5171684
>anons keep picking on elanna
>elanna posts smooth panty shot again
>everyone cries
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>>5171686
It's sad because she's going to be feeling less safe than anyone else regardless of what washroom she uses. Being visibly/known trans in a washroom is always going to be hell.

>>5171678
Absolutely. We can cuddle after we're tired from your cleaning.
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watching a documentary with the gf and talking about life and the future, and sharing hobbies.

life is beautiful.
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/mtfg/ orgy when
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>>5171688
I don't think she gets any money for the speedruns. I know there's charity, but besides donations, I think she probably has a day job, if I had to guess.
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>>5171692
... from laughter
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i would touch kayla's gt and squeeze it hard

tbhon
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