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isn't it ironic, don't you think?
oh hey Eleri! yeah it was my endo apointment I swear it was on moday but I just checked my note thing I made ;_;
idk its not a huge deal or anything i was just really nervous/excited about it and counting down and now its kinda like.. uhh longer to wait ._.'
how are you going anyway?
hey shell!!! how are you?
I forgot to ask how did that work thing go? are you all good?
Eeee, thats depressing. I'm so sorry.
Its not that long though, and it could be worse, some people here have had to wait months or do rle to get mones.
We have it really easy in Perth by comparison.
>I forgot to ask how did that work thing go? are you all good?
Oh yeah all good kinda, the boss man took me out for a coffee and said I'll have a job for the lifespan of the company :)
But unfortunately the company might close in the new year :(
If only the damn mining industry would pick up.
Oh stop that.
I am incredibly tired and insomniac because I'm jumpy about a few major things I should be getting fairly soon, so probably not very coherent.
Still, you'll be on the ride soon, so it's great.
no its just eczema im pretty sure
since i have been diagnosed with eczema and all that
also why would i get a red rash on my face because of t......
wth your skin always looks so nice in photos
> the boss man took me out for a coffee and said I'll have a job for the lifespan of the company
this is actually really nice though I'm glad ^^ i does suck tho if the company might shut down though. It's really cool that you are so valued though it seems like the company is pretty smart if they know to keep you arround ^^
YES thank you umaru for telling me all that stuff ^^ you are so helpful actually !
ugh that sucks. i am like the opposite i can sleep for like 20 hours if i really wanted to but then nothing would get done ._.' but yeah I hope everythings works out for you, ya'know new things can be exciting aswell so its not all bad!
>wth your skin always looks so nice in photos
thanks, its all makeup !
lmao i dont use filters ackchually
it would trigger an eczema flare-up???? ive never heard of that
but hmm i have been feeling like theres been a bit more T in my system lately. but why would that happen randomly? i havent changed my dose in a year now. idgi
>finally got graded for speech i did on wednesday
>grading thing had an additional critique section
>bitch professor actually wrote "your breasts are too big - consider binding" and bumped me down a letter grade
oh fuck i mad
im fuckin livid
yeah we're keeping the little guy/gal in quarantine right now and are gonna get them checked out and try to catch the rest
we need to get rid of them anyway but it's cheaper to catch them ourselves since there's a fee for getting them caught
well anything change, new products, diet???
my eyelids and esp corners of my eyes have been drying up and scabbing ever since I got the flu in june >.<
why thank u very much kit, ur nice words mean so much to me!!! ^^;;
I really hope u have a nice transition so ask any time u need help!!
i cannot believe that this happened
no the only thing im doing different is eating fewer calories and that started a month ago :<
idk what it issssssss
>my eyelids and esp corners of my eyes have been drying up and scabbing ever since I got the flu in june >.<
this started happening this past week also, before the eczema. WHAT IS IT WHATS WRONG W ME
who /calledinsicktowork/ here?
oh, I don't think so...
body fluids are pretty much always skin irritants, and then they clog up pores too
rubbing is also very bad and will cause a minor response which leads to inflammation, which further compounds any issue ur already experiencing as the body doubles down on it's efforts and screws up up even more than before >____>;;
ohh hmm, it might be a reaction to that, but honestly even if it is just keep losing weight cos being healthier makes things better in the long run
guh yeh, u should really go and see a dermatologist tbh, maybe they will prescribe u some glucocorticoids or some other treatment dunno exactly what u have lol
b-but anne, are u sick or just sick of work?!
yeah you need to teach me makeup sometime for sure!
y eahh i was thinking about looking into that actually is it expensive? idk i feel like i will never really use it cause im pretty happy to adopt or whatever if thats possible but i feel like my parents would be happier if i banked some of that stuff.
is it really just like fap into a thing? cause i don't even think i could do that rn tbqh ._.
it's true though! and thanks you are so nice to me omg ;~;
i actually don't have work for 2 days now so i'm pretty happy with my life rn atleast in regards to that department
Because I keep getting tricked by GDAs that say "HALF a pack" equals a certain number of kcals despite it being something for one person... always take stuff home and only after eating it remember to look at the packaging and then hit myself in the face
Also some stuff doesn't have nutritional info on them which is weird because I thought it was required by law now
This way I can just drink this yummy slop and know that as long as I don't eat anything else, I'm good for the day
Sorry if I haven't made it clear enough, but I have a muscle condition that makes things like cooking quite difficult for me. I can barely turn the key to open the door to my fucking flat. Anyway what are you talking about? Fresh ingredients don't have the GDA %s written on them while packaged food does, if anything it makes more sense to go for the ready-meal shit.
Ok so its only $400 a year.
You get a cup thingy which you can take home, do the deed and take it in. So at least you dont have to do it there.
I had to do it twice.
I needed a referal letter from gp, but apparently some places dont need it just look at their websites or ring.
Idk if id ever use it either, I dont really want kids. I just figured I should leave the option open just in case I changed my mind.
You can google the calories for whole food. The best part is that those calories will never change and you can even decide how much you want to buy. And you'll be healthier.
How do you jerk off if you have that kind of condition?
Girl you got it ruff.
Have you considered diets that consist primarily of restricting he types of foods you can eat rather than amount? I have had great success with paleo/slow-carb stuff in losing weight if that's the goal.
>tfw no gf/bf/gqf to annoy
I can be your bf bby ;)
here's my bod, wanna skype?
I was in ketosis for a while on the paleo diet and I got to my lowest healthy (ie not on meth) weight. It was hard for me, though, because I really need something dense for caloric load, especially if I'm lifting, so I usually do slow-carbish stuff.
Good morning ladies.
It's that time of the week again.
Right now I really am focusing on aesthetics, once that is squared away if my strength isn't where I want it to be I'll switch emphasis. But right now I'm managing to cut inches off my waist while adding them everywhere else and increasing my lifts. When that stops I'll take a look in the mirror and at my lifts and see where my priorities are.
My face is about to get bodied.
What about me then? :) I'll treat you like a real princess cuz I'm a nice guy lol!
Here's my best pic :P
oh yeah my partner already did, she's just been trying to change stuff out too
and here's the other pic she took while cleaning and stuff
>>they actually say things like "why wont she date me? i buy her stuff all the time!"
That doesn't sound like a nice guy.
Are you serious though? I always thought stuff like that was made up and no man was that stupid, but I recently ran into some 19-21 year old kids and they made me want to vomit.
I also know the pain of having man children in my social circle.
uhhh season's anime is pretty bad so far tbh
is this an ftm??? o.o;;
h-hi... which time is that?? o.o;;
technically they would be a scatologist, huh??
well what about chills or of the anons, aren't they kinda close??
otherwise maybe u will see ur friend again at a halloween party?!?!
Hey MTFG... Would I pass if I transitioned? I'm not sure if I can go on like this :c
this is u rn
I literally have a guy in my class right now that fits that description pretty well, but I think he might actually be autistic. He's overweight, has a nasally voice, loudly yells his opinion on everything the instructor says, and plays runescape on his computer with the sound on during lectures. I'm not usually a violent person, buuut... >.>
Nobody can tell you that. I'm going to say your facial features might hurt you, but I was one hell of an ugly motherfucker before I transitioned and assumed I wouldn't pass, so idk.
Oh god don't get me started on them. For the record, no, buying me dinner does not entitle you to sex.
uhh it's so bad, I hope he isn't violent, pls run for safety ... also playing with sound on is a bit much, lecturers sometimes stop the lecture if ppl have their stuff open lol
but isn't it just posting in this thread entitles them to sex???
idk guys are weirdos tbh who knows how they think
oh no elanna ur super pretty now tho!!
>h-hi... which time is that?? o.o;;
I have to drink like 4 to 5 glasses of water in an hour too which is difficult. Last week I was running late and she was like "This is a lot harder if you're not hydrated" and I felt bad, like I was being scolded.
I've been trying to get away from him but he keeps sitting beside me x.x
Last class we had to do a writing exercise and develop characters a partner had written, and he threw a tantrum because he didn't want me touching his precious RPG characters.
Also thank you ^^ I'm not joking when I say I used to look pretty terrifyingly gross though, but my self perception wasn't the best.
LOL I just meant that's a really low goal post to aim for, no? That's like two to three fancy dates... which yeah I guess two or three dates is common for getting laid. I don't know.
far from it bb
keep your pipe dreams to yourself
You would be surprised. Very surprised.
>idk guys are weirdos tbh who knows how they think
Don't get me wrong, I've met some genuinely nice guys who were as sweet as can be, but then you have these "nice guys"
I remember being at a party, and some of the people there knew I was trans and this one guy went out of his way to tell me that he wasn't into trans people despite me not even speaking to him all night or so much as looking at him. Ironically, he messages me a few months later trying to "chill."
I have more beta stories surrounding that evening too.
Hey, free dinner lol. Also, some guys are too beta to even make a move and expect you to come onto them.
First gender therapy meeting is this Friday! Excited and scared.
What kind of questions should I ask? I know I'm going to ask what they normally prescribe but idk if there's anything else I should ask
>I have more beta stories surrounding that evening too.
As a woman we generally don't need to. There are enough confident guys that the beta will lose out often only because he says nothing. Saying something is usually the most important step in picking someone up.
>what's the key to having a healthy relationship with food?
Eating good food and minding your portions.
Why do you bully me so much? I'm not like that, you know.
I've came onto guys before. More or less just me teasing.
Maybe it just took a few days for my charm to take hold in him, who knows~
ok so umm
I was friends with this avid gamer who threw a party that me and a girl friend of mine went to. The girl was ridiculously pretty and the guy who threw the party had a massive thing for her for a long time now (like super beta levels). This guy even goes so far as to randomly buy this girl things like jackets and whatnot. I had a thing for the guy and the girl friend always wanted to get with a tranny (she explicitly told me this a few weeks prior).
Anyways he told me at some point that he wouldn't get with a tranny because reasons so I gave that up before even going to the party. At some point in the night I ended up making out with the girl because drunk and everyone wanted to see it and egged it on. According to others, it lasted a lot longer than I thought it did. The guy I don't think was too happy about that, but preoccupied himself with some other girl there who he had sex with later that night and I ended up flirting with 2 guys there, but it didn't lead to anything lewd.
Fast forward a few weeks and another friend of mine throws a party. I get there late af because I was working. By the time I get there both the girl and the guy were there and the girl jumps on me when I'm sitting in the couch in the living room and straddles me. Everyone already seems pretty drunk so I get right to it and start playing catchup. It didn't take long for me to start catching a decent buzz as I had an empty stomach and was working an 18 hour shift. The guy was drinking a bit more heavily than usual, and awkwardly try to flirt with the girl while me and her were talking.
Totally agree that hitting on people is fun.
But personally, when I want to hit on someone who will be receptive to that dynamic I just hit on women instead. Never quite know what you're going to get when you hit on a man.
Eventually me and the girl kiss again (I'm not sure why, I didn't have a thing for her or anything). The guy sees this and apparently got turned on or something and started petting our heads. Yes, you heard that right. He wanted in on the action but didn't know how to go about it. This guy who was best friends with the girl whose house we were at has a keen eye and sees this and immediately cock blocks him. Nothing much really happened after that though if I remember right, I think I felt the girl's boobs while making out. So we relax and the guy continues to drink until he starts getting all woozy and eventually ends up throwing up. I felt bad for the guy, but god damn that was awkward.
I also learned that night that one of the guys I flirted with at the previous party had a girlfriend, as they were both there at this party. To make it even weirder, I knew the girl, but we didn't talk all that much, so how was I supposed to know? Nobody tells me anything.
>started petting our heads
I eat a lot of rice and veggies. It fills me up pretty quickly.
No, I mean not making a mountain of food on your plate. Not eating half a large pizza (or worse, a whole one).
Yes. There were 2 couches next to each other and me and the girl were on one making out and he was sitting on the other right next to us, looming over us and petting our heads.
>i dont think i got what it takes to do anything of the sort
It's not hard once you get used to it.
>petting your heads
o I'm laffin
hi I made an anime face screenshot for u pls use it with pleasure
oh yeh how did u know, ur so good at this...
also I found u a new anime husbando
Do you have any recipes you'd like to share.
I used to eat broccoli all the time, but someone posted that broccoli has some testosterone power level shit that fucks you up into becoming a hairy caveman.
Get out get out get out
ugh I know. it was delicious and feeling and I felt good eating broccoli and I hate myself for eating broccoli all the time thinking it was healthy and It help├йd keep me sort of liking my body
Now I hate myself and my disgusting fatman body and eat and eat and never feel satisfied and hate myself for eating and stuff.
I couldn't stop cringing at the thought back then but looking back on it now, and I can't help but giggle.
You just gotta practice really.
lol maybe, I doubt it though. He didn't seem too into trans, but did flirt with me at one point. Making people confuse their sexuality is the best.
I eat broccoli pretty reguarly and I'm fine.
Maybe try green beans. Blanch them for a minute or 2 and then throw them into a wok with some butter and diced up garlic and toss them for a bit and add some salt.
Also, if you like weeb cooking, try looking up goma-ae and shira-ae. I make lots of those kinds of things with broccoli, green beans, spinach, etc.
I never get the hate for what people work so hard to do. maybe the fans suck, but it was entretaining.
I actually like Inuyasha better than some of the lauded stuff like death note, but I'm just showing my age at this point.
What is it with Captcha wanting me to identify RVs?
Oh shiiiiiit. Do a bon jovi. Get a fraaanz ferdinand. CUZ I'M HERE. TO REMIND YOU. OF THE MESS YOU LEFT WHEN YOU WENT AWAY. ITS NOT FAIR-do the cranberries
Anna i have a confession.
my skin is so sensitive now to the point its freaking me out
I spilled a little mouth wash and it ran down my chest and belly and left a huge red streak for an hour and felt like a chemical burn, never had mouthwash do that to me before.
I can't quit u bb
oh yeh I've never really used a concentrated vitamin b 7 product before so who knows what it will do >___>;;
yeh probably but it has all the other usual stuff
it was pretty cheap like $5, I'll see how it goes tbh
oh I guess, dunno ppl seem to not be that honest, or like other stuff like I'm not gay but I'm gay for u idk
like I'm not really attracted to trans girls in general tbh but I'd definitely make exceptions case by case, so I can see that as a possible u know
he's good at piloting mechs too, great for dates...
also he isn't a repressed trans like bellri
I'll tell you a story. My sister is an artist, she's in school right now getting a master's degree in fine arts. On an exam once, a professor asked the question "what is art?". She answered in one sentence: "Something is art if the creator says it is art."
She got full marks.
>only the ones who quietly fade away.
I have been avoiding the sun actually. I think its the hrt that made my skin so sensitive, I am also way more receptive to pain and over all feel like shit.
Art comes from the greek word Arete which is something like "excellence" or "virtue" so I guess anything you don't half ass could be art.
but yeah, fillers suck the art out of anime...Manga, though...like fucking Berserk. I guess I'm going to die before that is concluded.
make a joke about transitioning and all i get is "no... no dont do that... you're such a good looking guy already??? why would... no... stay a guy... it'd be weird to have to use a new name anyway!!!"
i just want to sleep forever
It's the truth though. The difference between art and non-art is how the creator presents it. It's how you got stuff like dadaism.
It should compute. Art was church funded in the middle ages. Theatre in Shakespearean times was funded by the lower class people who stood at floor level (the peanut gallery), it's why Shakespeare filled his plays with filthy jokes.
hmmm. you know that as we get nearer to the winter solstice, earth is actually closer to the sun than in summer.
you should get checked up on you D3 vitamin blood levels.
earth may be closer to the sun but our hemisphere becomes more tilted away from its direct rays. That's why the more north you go the less and less solar panels work.
It's very easy to criticize artists for being commercial and being sellouts when it's not your livelihood. The people who do this are almost universally unaware of the fact that regardless of how much passion goes into something, you do have to eat. There's a lot of passion that goes into making television, writers are artists, they just have a sense of what people will buy.
She's still working on her master's degree, but she is employed. She was doing pretty good for herself before she went to get her master's too, she worked a day job at a design firm, and was pretty routinely having her work shown in galleries.
I hope you are all jelly.
I love you and I hate you.
but more importantly I hate myself and how miserable I've become with the consumption of food.
I really hope you enjoy it.
Kayla is actually right on this one. A good way to check would be to look at peak daily UV index throughout the year. When you're far enough north then you're looking at half the year where the sun never even gets intense enough to gain vitamin D from being outside.
>Art is a diverse range of human activities and the products of those activities, usually involving imaginative or technical skill. In their most general form these activities include the production of works of art, the criticism of art, the study of the history of art, and the aesthetic dissemination of art.
>Aristotle considered epic poetry, tragedy, comedy, dithyrambic poetry and music to be mimetic or imitative art, each varying in imitation by medium, object, and manner. For example, music imitates with the media of rhythm and harmony, whereas dance imitates with rhythm alone, and poetry with language
>Within this latter sense, the word art may refer to several things: (i) a study of a creative skill, (ii) a process of using the creative skill, (iii) a product of the creative skill, or (iv) the audience's experience with the creative skill. The creative arts (art as discipline) are a collection of disciplines which produce artworks (art as objects) that are compelled by a personal drive (art as activity) and convey a message, mood, or symbolism for the perceiver to interpret (art as experience). Art is something that stimulates an individual's thoughts, emotions, beliefs, or ideas through the senses. Works of art can be explicitly made for this purpose or interpreted on the basis of images or objects.
hmm interesting, if u think about it art is probably an emergent cultural phenomenon of society, with feedback (production)and feed forward (consumption) mechanisms, so it's expression both influenced by and influences the culture
saying art is art cos someone says so seems like a highschool answer lol
but it's your exposure to UV per hour! you get less exposure because daylight time is reduced, but the light you recieve is more potent, that's why your skin gets destroyed while skiing on a sunny day and it's not just because of the glare from the snow.
In one way it is, in one way it isn't. It's a definition meant to encompass all forms of art, given some of the art that I've seen isn't creative. There is one dadaist artist that put a urinal in a gallery upside down, said it was art, and academics agreed.
I can't say I entirely agreed with her definition, but it's the most accurate and broad one that I've heard so far. This was in a 4th year art history class, so idk. However, I like your summary of art being an emergent creative cultural phenomenon with production and consumption mechanisms.
well a urinal upsidedown still says something, it evokes a response and a reaction, it's not something completely unrelated u know cos urinals are part of the culture and taking it out of context and inverting the orientation evokes some kinda cognitive dissonance as they wrap their heads around it ...
also yeh art isn't the only squishy hard to define thing out there, and not even the most puzzling ...
take defining intelligence for example, it's a very hard problem without a comprehensive solution or elegant solution
if u ask students in any field dealing with intelligence a comparable question and they answer with something like cogito ergo sum, then it's almost guaranteed they will get no points lol
Yeaaaah, that's pretty much what would happen. That's also sort of down to intelligence being more a study of science than a study of the arts. In the arts, an airy fairy tumblr-esque answer will sometimes more than suffice, and may actually be completely correct. I know full well that if I defined something in Chemistry that broadly that I'd probably receive negative points.
Idk, my sister is the artist in the family, I'll leave the artsy stuff to her, and I'll generally take her word for it on definitions. I'm literally incapable of thinking in that kind of abstract manner when defining things ;~;
what are you wearing today /mtfg/?
lol well intelligence is a pretty wishy washy thing to study hehe, just think of aged logic and linguistic philosophers and interdisciplinary debates going on endlessly as each field has a slightly different take on it ...
I think the only reason an answer like that flies without attempt to give a less ambiguous and vague answer is probably due to the culture of art
I've been thinking about transtioning, but I have no buttcrack...
Of course I am right on this, I am a scientist for fuck sake.
It's all about intensity you dunce.
Its less potent. If you live in the northern hemisphere and its approaching winter, you do get less intensity of radiation, also you only need about 5 min of sunlight to fulfill your vitamin synthesis needs and 10 min in the winter.
A T-shirt and jeans that are slightly damp due to laundry yesterday. I'm not at my best today.
It sort of makes you pee the same amount regardless of dose, you're above the recommended dose for diuresis, and potassium sparing diuretics only can make you pee so much.
I hope you're joking...
Idk, I guess I was thinking of intelligence as in the study of artificial intelligence, but I suppose that is actually a different field. Philosophy is one of those fields that always struck me as ridiculously wishy washy and up its own ass, but apparently it speaks to some people.
>Idk, I guess I was thinking of intelligence as in the study of artificial intelligence, but I suppose that is actually a different field. Philosophy is one of those fields that always struck me as ridiculously wishy washy and up its own ass, but apparently it speaks to some people.
lol i do philosophy
>Taters gonna tate.
i teach philosophy for a living so my shpiel would be about developing critical thinking skills and the ability to examine excruciatingly abstract ideas. saying philosophy is wishy washy usually means that it doesn't have right answers, but that's not true. there are right answers in philosophy but they're notoriously difficult to figure out. but we don't talk about the same stuff we did like 2000 years ago either, so the discipline does make progress.
for me personally, it started as a natural extension of my curiosity -- the world just seems crazy and mystifying -- but now I use philosophy as a tool to explore gender :S
THAT FEEL WHEN you will always be a lone because you are an ugly tranny so you take a bunch of drugs so you don't have to deal with your problems.
THAT FEEL WHEN after a nasty 2c b fly trip one of your friends suggests you go listen to music and go cuddle with someone
THAT FEEL WHEN you live alone and still a virgin at 22
THAT FEEL WHEN no one will fuck you because you are a nigger
THAT FEEL WHEN at least I am not kayla.
I wish I was smaller, because then I would be more like this. Too bad that thing is wayyy to small for me :(
Yay its morning. I even managed to get some decent sleep for once.
Vitamin D can go suck it I want be pale
You get used to it especially when you start noticing the spiro really doing work on everything down there. As weird as it sounds all the peeing you have to do gives you the chance to watch that little fucker slowly die.
>talking to mother on facebook
>want to show her article on Edward Snowden
>crtl+p and send without looking
>sent Edgar#[tripcode] because I cut it for posting on /tv/ and forgot
>luckily she has no idea what it is and I just say whoops and send the right link
>if that had been the /lgbt/ URL I had copied earlier I would have been fucked
I AM LIVING ON THE EDGE
Thats why you always look before hitting enter be it Internet, text, or smoke signal
I hate this captcha system but I didnt know it was actively trying to kill me
I once did that but sent a friend cock vore by accident.
I hadn't thought of philosophy as mental gymnastics, that actually makes sense to me. Idk it's less that I don't think philosophy can be right, I just think it's hard to come up with absolute truths without hard evidence or mathematical proofs.
I got two degrees, associates but all the office jobs I have been looking at actually require an associates in anything just so long as its an associates.
well they're the same thing lol
ai has always been deeply concerned with understanding intelligence and has branches which are extremely philosophical and wishy washy
along with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect the nature of intelligence is always up for debate >.<;;
Gonna go punk again. No one will ever guess that I'm not actually a tough girl!
Fun fact about mathematical proofs, a very smart guy called Kurt Godel who developed fuzzy logic based on earlier work by George Cantor and his continuum hypothesis (which drove Cantor insane) actually proved that within a set system of mathematics (4+4=8) you cant actually prove that the answer is correct it just is. So, basically math "logic" can't be seen as hard evidence there's a chance it's wrong such as really difficult problems there's no way to determine if a math problem is impossible or extremely difficult.
Not a huge fan quite a few interesting ideas at least. Im really not a fan of all the I dont exist or reality is all tied to your experience shit but aesthetics is nice.
I did something similar the other day. Yours is obviously more scary because of what you post here but I was playing super smash and I was supposed to copy paste my friend code. Instead of my friend they read something I said on here about how swallowing the grill pill is much more redpilled than redpill and black pill orc whatever people saying nowadays
They just said what the fuck is wrong with you and I was like meh its just some 4chan thing.
The AI effect would seem to be due to the fact that people don't like it when a computer does something that might mimic and devalue their humanity. At least that's my interpretation. It's definitely a philosophical question and a computer science question at the same time.
It would be hard to say that the branches of AI concerned with algorithms and implementation have much overlap with philosophy. I mean, I imagine the scientists ask philosophical questions, but I sort of assumed they were more interested in making programs that do cool things.
Well yeah, at a certain point you run into the problem of trying to prove that an abstract rule that you've created is true, which is definitely impossible. At a certain point isn't math logic "hard" though? Like proving integration rules and the like?
I was a weird teenager, I'll leave it at that.
I didn't realize you wore patches and all of that looking good fam. Elfies a punk lol
>tfw digging up my old punk rock pictures
>tfw just got in touch with older punks that I grew up with we were talking about how we lived it and the guilt of the shit we did as teens
>Setting up reunion shows for both our bands
>tfw getting back into it
I'm pretty sure Godel didn't prove that. He proved that not all problems are solvable given a set of axioms and that some are neither true nor false (like proving the continuum hypothesis using the axioms of the real numbers).
Some problems are unsolvable (infinitely many) even if they are strictly true or false. The GRH might be in this class, but I really hope not.
Wait, maybe that Russel. I don't remember :(
Well then I'm looking half as good as you :3
I'm pretty sure AI with current methods and future implementations can achieve at least human levels of intelligence.
I believe that it's possible as well, at a core level the human brain is just a bunch of networked neurons that do logical operations. The idea that we could create an intelligent being is both intriguing and terrifying, and in some ways it does devalue your own humanity.
Well theres white and black mathematics, which are hard math and probability based math, and then grey math in the middle (T-Norm Fuzzy Logic). Math logicians would say grey math is the most accurate as it isnt a set axiom like regular math and isnt correlation/probability. To answer your question, no, but it doesnt matter. Thats the weird part. The rules cannot be proven in any way of classic math because its a closed system of arithmetic.
Yah that's what I was hoping you'd say. I want to continue having that sort of style but translating it into girl type stuff : 3
>A lot of discipline
no, you are just a cunt that won the genetic lotto,
you didn't work harder then anyone else and you exploit your own body in a vain effort to make yourself feel like you're better than everyone.
This is probably my favorite insta photo I've ever made
>wear a black shirt to the food bank this time
>look at myself in the window reflection in between moving boxes
>still obvious that there's something going on with my chest
the nightmare never ends fam
>So, basically math "logic" can't be seen as hard evidence there's a chance it's wrong such as really difficult problems there's no way to determine if a math problem is impossible or extremely difficult.
That's the part I have a problem with :P Just being pedantic :P
Having a degree matters more than what it's in for a lot of fields. That's good that you have something to show for your effort though, I know people who dropped out after years of post-secondary and have nothing to show for it.
I'm not super into robotics, but I'm very into computers in general. I'm in school to be a programmer, I like solving problems.
Thanks for enlightening me, math is freaking cool. I always just assumed it was absolute, but most of the maths that I've ever done have been in some way tied to the physical world. Then again, quantum mechanics is hardly absolute o.o
Hi Chelsea, how have you been? Nice quints.
Yes but our brains change constantly throughout our life. The biological structures rearrange depending on your life experiences. You aren't just a thinking machine you have emotion, memories, and cognition. Your experience is unique to you and the things you think about are unique to you. Our brain doesnt make us who we are its us who make it what it is.
>boobsare starting to get a little in the way of things
>Decide i need to buy a bra
>Currently headed to the nearest town with a walmart with the (secret) objective of buying a bra
>With my two uncles and grandfather
>one of which doesnt know I'm trans
>the other two are just awkward and haven't said anything about it
>I don't know how I'm going to pull this off
I was making $1,500 a week, not a month. I am applying to jobs that are prevailing wage as in $30 an hour. I don't know why you want to keep shitting on me.
>Skinny isn't the genetic lottery
While that post was totally uncalled for (Elf is like in the toptier of sweet and kind trips, right up there with Sheen) I have never worked to be thin and actually work every day doing the opposite to maintain a healthy weight keeping myself out of Auschwitz mode.
In my head canon though you're Bane and /mtfg/ is Gotham city so I'd rather send you one for selfies.
Well its a set axiom. You can't mathematically calculate whether a problem is difficult/impossible because there is no such thing as 100% accuracy in such a system of arithmetic.
Because thats extremely unrealistic and some people don't want to see you homeless by the end of the year or moving back into your parents, stop acting like such a privileged bitch and accept that you might have to rough it for a couple of months to make sure you can afford everything you need
You can but you could take 10 identical copies of that program, run them simultaneously, and all of them would change to be completely unique from one another.
>I should dye it bubblegum pink :P
Sorry, see >>5033354
>So, basically math "logic" can't be seen as hard evidence there's a chance it's wrong.
I think that is what needs clarifying. Math isn't wrong. Maybe the mapping to the real world (via physics) is wrong, but math as a concept is not.
If I am given right cancelation and that x-x=0, then a+x-x=0, cancel the +x-x and we are left with a=0. There is no error. Not even a small chance of error.
It isn't like she floods the thread with pictures of her. She just gets a lot of responses because she's really pretty. She doesn't attention whore. She's posted like five photos overall ive done more attention whoring with my photos than her lol. I mean I understand its probably frustrating to see but she's been nothing but polite to everyone. She's a good girl and she knows she has good genetics
Everyone is different though in terms of how they eat. Ive always been skinny because for whatever reason im just not into food and we all have our food problems and image problems. Besides I think she said she was fat at one point anyway.
>tfw if I didn't lift id eat just 800 calories a day
That's really cool tbqh
You should tell me all about it while I play Japanese videogames and try to listen and keep up but ill keep saying yea to keep you entertained.
Not America but baring in mind your minimum wage is 7.25, I really doubt your going to quadruple that with no skill in the field your going into and the way your hiding what job it is and just saying office work leads me to believe its just a generic low paid, low care job.
But how else, in this society, is one ever judged? Good looks = success, just ask Andreja Pejic. It works in reverse too, Lindsay Lohan lost her looks, was instantly dropped by everyone ever. Britney Spears shaved her head that one time, has never regained the same level of fame she had before that since. All Bowie's most successful albums are the ones where he looks hottest.
you and I both know there are more ugly people here than pretty people and the pretty people only post their pics as a way to assert some kind of dominance over everyone here, it makes them feel like they are worthy of the attention they get and its nothing but pure male ego stroking with these people
>no, you are just a cunt that won the genetic lotto
Here come the bitter hons. Calm your T rage baby.
Mathematically you'd be correct unfortunately:
If the system is consistent, it cannot be complete.
The consistency of the axioms cannot be proven within the system.
You can't /prove it/
new day at work at an old workplace I quit with but went crawling back to so I can earn enough to save for FFS while living on the wages from my other job. new members of staff call me by my girlname, members of staff i knew still call me by my guy name. it's really getting under my skin. everyone thinks I'm some twinky femboy giggly girly idiot. boymode is essential, but boymode is suffering. I've had a few 'i bet you like men' comments and then people are shocked when i say i do. no-one has mentioned my tits sticking out. kill me now tbh
...THAT'S IT! I'M FINALLY GONNA DO IT! I'll watch the first 2 Batman movies tonight just so I can get your references.
But people don't really think that. You keep making up fake accusations for whatever reason. Please stop. We have enough drama and negativity :(
Oh gosh. I had rose pink hair by accident once and it turned out well, but I'm probably gonna dye it back to copper before anything else.
If you had 10 identical humans, gave them the same life conditions, and observed them all simultaneously, would they be completely unique from one another?
I'd love to do that tbqh, although I don't want to bore you by babbling at you o.o
I'm jelly, I was so exhausted on Sunday that I was barely able to do laundry, let alone game ;.;
Yes they would but the probability of that happening is astronomically low at some point something different /will/ happen to one of them by virtue of quantum behavior.
or here is another http://agency.governmentjobs.com/washington/default.cfm?action=viewJob&jobID=1257226
good pay is out there if you are willing to put yourself out there
i dropped the fuck out of my spaghetti today god DAMn
also heff horribly unflattering bus selfie.
You won't bore me. I love listening when people talk about their passions. I can't promise you that I would be a good responder because I won't know what you're talking about but I still want to listen and support you. Just touch my arm every once in a while if I look like im not giving you my full attention