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Time to get your debating hats on. Is paedophilia a sexual orientation

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Time to get your debating hats on.

Is paedophilia a sexual orientation or a mental illness?

If it is a sexual orientation than while it's an odd one it should be fine as long as the child and the parents give permissionand nothing sexual happens right?

But if it's a mental illness than what makes it different to lgbt?
>>inb4 but they like kids and that's wrong (we've heard this argument with slight variations targeting us haven't we?)
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No one should, within reason, hate pedophiles, just child molesters, but the two are conflated for obvious reasons.
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>>3588909
Paedophiles claim to love children, why would they hurt the ones they love unless they've already got a mental issue other than the possibility that their sexuality might be one.
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>lgbt
>disgusting, hairless, woman's asshole

I'm so fucking triggered right now
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>>3588949
Did you just do a Tumblr?
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200 years ago you could be imprisoned or executed for being a homosexual

100 years ago being homosexual was classified as a mental illness

Now a good portion of the world is accepting and well adjusted to homosexuality.

Same thing will happen with pedophilia, I'm just ahead of my time to be accepting of it.
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>>3588929
>Paedophiles claim to love children
A lot of serial killers claim to love their victims. There comes a point when individual testimonies need to be scrutinized objectively by criminologists and psychologists.

>why would he skin her and wear her face as a jacket?
>he said he loved her!
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>>3588981
That's due to the shift in the authority modern people respect from divine religious mandate to empirical scientific evidence.

Homosexuality was shown to be medically harmless when looked at devoid of religious prejudice following over two thousand years of pointless criminalization and demonization from religious entities, particularly Abrahamic ones. Pedophilia was accepted by these same entities, and sometimes even included/vindicated in period religious rites and scripture, yet it was shown to be harmful by modern science when looked at devoid of religious prejudice.

Your argument is lazy sophistry.
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>>3588986
Didn't you see the part where I said, and I'm paraphrasing "unless the paedophile already has some sort of mental illness"
If you judge a whole group by what the radicals in that group do than I'd think all white people are racist capitalist, all black people are dumb gangsters and all Mexicans don't work.
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>>3589022
>"unless the paedophile already has some sort of mental illness"
They do. Pedophilia is still considered a mental illness by international medical consensus.

>If you judge a whole group by what the radicals in that group do than I'd think all white people are racist capitalist, all black people are dumb gangsters and all Mexicans don't work.
More sophistry.
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If you apply the same standards of other sexual paraphilias, pedophilia is very much a orientation like homosexuality. That however does not mean it can't have features of mental illness, which is where I think the problems arise. The same could be said of homosexuality or even heterosexuality.

There is a difficulty in the sense that pedos don't really have attractions to their partners per se, but attributes which are guaranteed to end over time. This makes it unique among the paras, and makes the issue of relations questionable.

This is better discussed elsewhere.
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>>3589012
>>3589012
So if all the parties are consensual and, as I stated in the original post, no sexual activity happens it's harmful.

Show me the actual studies and then I'll believe you.
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NAMBLA used to be a part of the gay rights movement, getting rid of oppressive statutory rape laws (which were only put into place to protect the value of the virginal daughters of the wealthy) used to be a major part of the movement.

What happened /lgbt/,why did you throw your allies under the bus? Did you drink your own kool-aid so much that you believe that homosexual rights are about getting married and living in the suburbs and not about free love?
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>>3589012
Didn't you read what I said?

Science once deemed homosexuality a harmful mental disease too.

Science also once thought that drilling holes into the skull could prevent headaches.

Scientific "fact" should be taken with a grain of salt because it can always be disproven with further studies.

Same will happen with pedophilia.

There may one day be a time when we reach the pinnacle of scientific knowledge and understanding, but we will not see it in this lifetime nor for many centuries to come (if even by then).
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>>3589058
>So if all the parties are consensual
A child cannot consent to sex.

>Show me the actual studies and then I'll believe you.
It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. Your ignorance will not defend your delusions in court nor to a criminal psychologist.
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>>3589084
Did you even try to read the original post, I included the parents consenting as well.
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>>3588981
>a good portion of the world is accepting and well adjusted to homosexuality
>Same thing will happen with pedophilia
>>3588899
>should be fine as long as the child and the parents give permission

I'm indifferent about pedos (but not child molesters, obvs) and even I know these posts are still bullshit.

There's never gonna be a point in time where we can be sure a child (11 and younger) will have the mental capacity to even understand the concept of pedophilia let alone /agree/ to anything.

Incidentally, children have very little legal rights (those rights are usually transferred and carried on by the parents). Consent will always and forever be an issue unless children are granted the legal right to make decisions like these on their own.

Kids can't sign a contract without their parents writing their signature in there somewhere first. No good parent in the world would purposely let someone "hang out" with their kid and assume no risks will be involved.

The best thing pedos have to hope for are probably androids or VR. Sorry, guys.
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>>3589079
>Science once deemed homosexuality a harmful mental disease too.
Due directly to religious influence.

>Science also once thought that drilling holes into the skull could prevent headaches.
Some doctors thought they could do this before they had basic understanding of modern neurology like we do today.

Medical science is not somehow collectively refuted because you can bring up something like bloodletting from centuries ago performed by doctors who had absolutely zero idea what they were doing outside of superstition.
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>>3589079
>Science once deemed homosexuality a harmful mental disease too.

Nope, psychology isn't a science. No study ever showed that homosexuality caused suffering or disability.

Science is on your side bro, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy . Direct your anger at congress.
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>>3589095
>parents that don't live in 3rd world shitholes consenting to a child having a relationship with an adult, sexual or not
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>>3589084
I was a child and I consented to sex. Hell, I instigated it because I was a horny fucker. So there.
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>>3589095
>Did you even try to read the original post, I included the parents consenting as well.
A parent cannot consent for their child to have sex with an adult.
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>>3589079
>SCIENCE CAN'T BE TRUSTED BECAUSE SCIENCE MIGHT DISPROVE OTHER SCIENCE A HUNDRED YEARS LATER

Tell me more.
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>>3589114
You are an anonymous person defending pedophilia with little more than unfalsifiable personal anecdotes on the internet.
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>>3589116
>a kid cannot consent
>a grownup cannot consent
>nobody can consent
Let's face it, you're just personally against it
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>>3589116
By who's rules?
(It would be both the parent/s and the child consenting)
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>>3589132
And you're different to me in what way?
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>>3589132
You are an anonymous person against pedophilia with little more than personal opinions on the internet.
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people accepted homosexuality because at the end of the day, it didn't really affect them. homosexuals just want to bang each other and they're not paedophiles and they're not looking to recruit anyone. so it's not a big deal. i guess it's ok to be gay.
paedophiles want to bang children. including possibly your children. "i don't want anyone to bang my children!". you're not going to get over that hurdle.
so there's no point discussing this really, because you're never going to get your way. it doesn't matter how many times muh oppressions, in a democratic system there is absolutely no way paedophilia will be legalised. you might be able to lower the age of consent a little bit, but people are incredibly protective of their children and will not risk allowing paedophiles to groom them.
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>>3589074

Gays sided with feminist, which the full effects from that are just starting to bear fruit.

The complete rewrite of VAWA to make exceptions for gays should tell you how fucked that marriage is.
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>>3589142
>>3589146
A parent cannot consent for their underage child to have sex with someone. This is due to legislation in multiple different culturally advanced nations that are informed by modern medical science.
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>>3589154
>>3589155
>global medical consensus
>equivalent to anonymous personal opinions

Please just stop talking.
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>>3589142
Not that anon, but I kind of agree with them.

Think about it in a legal standpoint. Sex needs to legally be consensual. In order for a child to give consent they would need to understand the implications of what will happen (and scientifically speaking, that's a touchy thing to ask of a kid) and on top of that, they would have to be able to legally stand on their own independent of their parents. Children have absolutely no legal rights (their parents do). These rights will not be granted to them exclusively so that they may engage in consensual behavior with an adult partner who has more to gain from it than the child.

Even platonic relationships... I mean... what the hell would that even look like? You pay someone to let you hang out with their kid? That's borderline child enslavement.
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>>3589156
Every time a homo has sex, it's with someone else's family member that unfortunately more likely than not would be outraged at finding them out.

Homos do affect people if you want to look at them that way.

But if you look at them as normal people having sex with each other, then you can say it doesn't affect anyone.

The only reason there is an outrage over pedosexuality is because people haven't learned to have the same mindset. With time and effort, though, just as with homosexuality we can teach people it's ok and perfectly normal too.
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>>3589162
>>3589173
Legality =/= Right or Wrong

Legality in Iran would put everyone on this board to death immediately.
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>>3589181
Very few people in here are arguing that pedosexuality is wrong (nobody has even brought up molestation yet and we're this many posts in).

Everyone is arguing the legality of it. Wether that is now or way off in the distant future. It's just not a conceivable thing that can happen; even if the world, overnight, was okay with it.
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>>3589196
Except for pedos...
(Underaged arranged marriage)
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>>3589170
>implying medical science isn't skewed by anti-nonstraight people
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>>3589196
Absolutely. However, independent of wether or not it's legal, asking a child to consent to something they don't fully understand is morally wrong.
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>>3589181
>people haven't learned to have the same mindset
people are not going to learn to have the same mindset in the current society, it would require a large scale cultural shift that would probably have to take place over several centuries to get us to a point where, like some other cultures, we view it as ok to have sex with children. nobody is going to switch from "but think of the children! they are delicate special creatures who need to be protected" to "oh hey little susie, suck any good cocks recently?"
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>>3589096

>Kids can't sign a contract without their parents writing their signature in there somewhere first.

Wow, it looks like capitalism has advanced to a stage where people equate sex with signing up for a cell phone.
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>>3589209
Pedosexuality and "molestation" - by that I'm sure you mean sex, again a word that should stop being used if we're ever going to try to change popular opinion - go hand in hand. You can't be homosexual and not want to have sex with your same sex, you cant be a zoophile and not want to sleep with the sheep, you cvn't be a pedo and not want to have a physical relationship with kids.

Being ok with pedophilia but not ok with their urges is stupid - it's like being ok with a gay guy but then locking them in prison the moment he starts making out with another male.

>>3589214
Gay pedos tho.
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>>3589243
>muh strawman
those are both issues of consent and failing to understand the implications of doing something because you're a dumb kid
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>>3589173
>Sex needs to legally be consensual

No it doesn't. I'm sure one day you puritans will get your way and you'll need a lawyer to have sex, but we're not there yet.

>Nedd to understand the implications of what will happen.

There are no implications, its a bit of fun.
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>>3589162

And the fallout from that is you can have legally satisfaction marriages (with parental consent) where the parties can't legally have sex with one another. Brilliant!

The whole concept of consent has been so perverted as to be meaningless now. Bestiality? Nope, animal can't consent, but you can kill it and fuck it's corpse legally, so there's that.

Abuse would probably be a better legal standard for pedophilia, as it is obvious any type of relation is going to be gray.

And just end most CP laws now. Throwing teens in jail for take nude pics of themselves isn't helping anyone.
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>>3589259
>I'm sure one day you puritans will get your way and you'll need a lawyer to have sex, but we're not there yet.

Oh god I hope not.
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>>3589249

The implications of not understanding a cell phone plan are a ruined credit score and being massively indebted to a company. The possible negative implications of sex are 10 minutes of boring awkwardness.
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>>3589290
And possibly being accused (or accusing someone) of rape...
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>>3589290

>STDs
>Pregnancy
>Emotional trauma

Yup, sure thing.
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>>3589290
C'mon dude. Now I know you's trollin'.

I'm largely indifferent and sympathetic for pedo bros but if you think there aren't any psychological repercussions from forcing sex on someone, you're way off base dude.

>inb4 "forcing sex"
Yes. Dude. You are. Because a kid doesn't understand what's happening and gets no pleasure out of it /at all/. The adult partner has way more to gain from it than the kid ever does.

And don't give me none of that "I'll pay him and he'll be happy" bullshit. That's straight up just taking advantage of someone on top of rape.
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>>3589290
>The possible negative implications of sex are 10 minutes of boring awkwardness.
Nigger, I hope you're just trolling and not actually this stupid.

Pregnancy, STDs, physical pain, emotional/relationship complications that plenty of grown-asseed ADULTS struggle with, social implications (reputation, privacy [e.g. possibility of photographs/videos being posted online]), religious conflict. I could go on.
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>>3589345
Doesn't puberty start at around 6-12...
Isn't thY how they start feeling sexual pleasure...
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>>3589358
That*
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While this type of debate isn't the norm for my native chan (pic related) we do try to achieve a constant level of quality while debating any subject.

Our /b off topics (you'll understand when you browse there) porn because it doesn't offer any intellectual nutrition.
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>>3589408
Your chan sounds boring and autistic. No wonder noone goes there.
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>>3589345
It's not forced though - just like with adults you talk them into it. Kids want it just as much believe me - I was one of those kids. Only I didn't have to be talked into it, I discovered it on my own and was actively seeking sex at a very young age.

>>3589358
Started at 4 with me - my parents caught me jerking off. Might have been even younger but that's my earliest memory.
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>>3589413
There's off topic threads that may or may not be porn that are shown along side the standard threads; No one is silenced.
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>>3589417
Please be aware that you are an outlier.
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>>3589358
Everyone develops differently but let's say you're right. How would anyone know when a kid is "ready?" I mean, even if peds were completely accepted, what would happen? Would children be selected to engage on that stuff based on how developed they are? That's just fucking wrong to think about. Wrong on so many fucking levels that I don't even know how to even.

It sucks for you guys, really it does. But let's not be idiots and lets think about shit rationally. Consentual pedosex will never, ever be a thing, bro. I'm sorry.
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>>3589436
Maybe some sort of test, preferably a psychological test because of how hard it is to predict the questions and get the "correct" answers.
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>>3589341

We have a pill that cures pregnancy (and a cheap surgery if you wait too long), and all STDs that make you sick are curable except for HIV. You don't have to worry about either of those if a condom is used, what makes you think children are more or less likely to have safe sex than adults?

And "emotional trauma"? You can't be serious. What emotional trauma?
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>>3589449
No, man. Nope. Nope, nope, nope.

Nobody is going to put kids through a system to determine whether or not adults can have sex with them.
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>>3589464
It could be used to determine whether they'll be smart in general
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>>3589353

Safe sex prevents pregnancy and STDs. Deliberately causing someone physical pain should be illegal.

You have a point with those rest kind of, (though those are all due to society's attitudes about sex, not with sex themselves), but I never learned that the government's job was supposed to ruin lives in order to protect me from emotional/relationship complications.
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>>3589436
>Consentual pedosex will never, ever be a thing,

It could be. I can see the AOC being around 12 after this latest round of Puritanism dies down.

I can see loli pics and fondling being legal as well since there really isn't any huge effects from that.

Revisit the issue after a few generations of that and see where to go from there.
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>>3589455
>And "emotional trauma"? You can't be serious. What emotional trauma?

"What emotional trauma?" You can't be serious.
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>>3589471
but if one of the side effects is "they will then be legal to bang", no parent is going to volunteer their eight year old to do that test
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>>3589478

If you were emotionally traumatized by getting your dick wet then you have other serious issues that need to be checked out.
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>>3589449
>>3589471
You realize how desperate this sounds, right?
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>>3589478

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rind_et_al._controversy

No pervasive harm or long-term maladjustment is associated with having sex as a child.
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>>3589486
This makes me think you're too far in for any real hope, man. I'm starting to feel less sympathetic towards you and just generally more creeped out.

It's kind of like what the closet does for gays, maybe. You're in there long enough and you start getting a little stir crazy. End up getting caught jacking off in a public restroom with a trucker named Bubba. Except in this occasion, you're gonna end up molesting some kid who's going to have to deal with that his entire life. I feel really bad for that kid.
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>>3588899
Anything can be a sexual orientation if you're expressing it.
Childs brains aren't developed fully, and should not be exposed to sexual and mature situations, this is the basis of children not having the ability to consent, and no form of sex conducted without consent should be legal.
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>>3589502

Openly gay people jerk off in public restrooms with truckers too
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>>3589455

Pills are hormones, which are kinda shaky to introduce to still developing bodies, drug resistant gonorrhea is on the rise, as well as other drug resistant STDs, and effective condom use is at about 80% with two reasonably mature people. I can't see a 4 year old stipulating condom use.

And if you've ever read the poetry of any tween, you you how labile they are. Children twig out over not eating candy and are less mature.

In short, you haven't thought this trough.
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>>3589505


Your brain isn't developed fully until you are dead.
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>>3589496

Non-coercive sex. You fucking pedos always leave that part out.
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>>3589487
No, seriously. It could replace the IQ test (because we all know how reliable that can be for individuals... Not groups, individuals)

The IQ test is aimed at visual (learners that prefer visual assistance while learning like graphs, diagrams, charts, etc.) and reading/writing learners (learners that prefer blocks of text)
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>>3588899
lgbt and heterosexuality, heterosexuality is also a sexual orientation
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>A five year old should be allowed to cut off his penis and turn it into a sham vagina, but if he sees a vagina he's being abused and that woman should be put in jail.

You SJWs disgust me.
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>>3589505

Human brain isn't fully developed until about 25. Is that the new AOC?
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>>3588981
pedophilia doesn't conform to the standards of consenting a sexual act. Kids are not mature enough to decide if they want to fuck an adult person
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>>3589523
>good morning, class! we got your special test results back today! unfortunately, only two of you passed. sally? jimmy? well done! you're now legally considered adults.
>miss can i play with the choo choo train set
>no little jimmy, but you can play with these menacing looking men who've just come through the door!
seriously there would be uproar if you introduced a test that decided who and who wasn't capable of consenting to sex. few if any parents would let their kid sit that test.
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>>3589434
Well I've been that way about everything - can't help it, have a high IQ
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>>3589538
>gives an example of someone doing something with their own body
>gives another example of someone else forcing themselves without consent
>tries to draw a parallel
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>>3589502

Same.

After hanging at pedo central, you get the sense most have a pretty desperate siege mentality, and it has kind of twisted things.

You get the same with other people cut off from natural light, but their particular strain is... disturbing.
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>>3589560
It would stop stupid people from reproducing as well.

Like, adults that are stupid won't be allowed to fuck, isn't that a step closer to utopia?
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>>3589565
>kids can consent to a surgery that will affect them the rest of their life without needing to be an adult so they can understand all the implications of said surgery first

>but they still can't have sex because there's no way they can consent to something like that because they can't know the full implications of what having sex does

Somebody had trouble with connect-the-dots as a kid
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>>3589573
>Eugenics is a good thing
>We should be able to fuck children
You do realise the society depicted in Brave New World wasn't supposed to be aspirational, right?
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>>3589573
B-but pedo-chan, wouldn't that in turn mean less kids for you to fuck?
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>>3589600
They don't get the surgery until much later. If they exhibit dysphoria and are diagnosed with gender identity disorder, they're allowed to present as their preferred gender and given puberty delaying drugs until they're old enough to make the decision themselves. Also >treating a severe mental illness (dysphoria) is the same as having sex
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>>3589564
Congrats - so does everyone else on 4chan.
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>>3589455
>What emotional trauma?
So you are actually just a sociopathic child rapist. Like all pedos. You have blunted empathy, dickbag. You should be chemically castrated for the good of society.
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>>3589623
Like all child molesters*

Pedo doesn't = child molester
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>>3589544
Probably should be the new drinking/pot smoking age.
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>>3589611
Apparently not (especially if /b/ is any indicator)
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>>3589638
Yes, quite right - you are at best an *aspiring* child rapist, just like all pedos. Thanks for the correction.
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>>3589623
Remember, the anon You're posting to also browses chansso even if he wasn't a Pedo than he would be thought of as strange.
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for god's fukken and inexisting sake,
pedophilia is not an illness, nor a sexual orientation, since it's considered a real deviation (not like the way homosexuality was considered in other times)

All of this because its, in almost all situations, an abuse from an adult to a child, for sexual satisfaction (although you can quote some "consensual" relationships, it's still being an abuse)

Of the cases for which it is aware, a large majority involving rape, sadism, threats, etc. etc. You can't call THAT love. Don't misunderstand me, i love bdsm too, but not with childs.
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>>3589659
Whoa, calm down there, bud. It's a mental illness they can't really help or control. Just as long as they don't molest anyone (mad props ped bros, I can't even go a day without fapping, ya'll must be zen) there really isn't a problem.
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>>3589659
Ok, imagine this: you're walking down the street and you see a hot guy and/or girl, do you just run up to him and/or her and rape her.
No, that's fucking dumb, just like your statements.
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>>3589623
"Mommy, mommy, the big mean white male cis scum wants to have sex with me!" said no kid ever.

If you try to rape them forcefully or against their will, they're going to act like any other human of any age in that situation - show extreme disapproval and try to remove themselves from the situation.

If you approach them with sex just like you approach any adult with sex and they're ok with it, there's no emotional trauma to be had.

Kids will let you know if they don't like something, whether it be a spanking, collard greens, or holding hands while crossing the street. Kids will also let you know when they're perfectly ok with something.

If they're perfectly ok with it and you're not trying to smack them around, pull their hair, facefuck them, etc - in other words being gentle about it - then there's no trauma.

>inb4 omg pedo reported
It's called common sense you dimwit. I've never fucked a kid and I don't want to, but common sense is still common sense. Treat sex with anyone, kid or adult in a violent, rapey way and they'll be scarred for life. Treat them respectfully with it and only go as far as they are willing to go and there will be no harm done.
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>>3589671
If they're getting treatment and being monitored, I agree. But that's not how our society handles mental illness, so they just need to be chemically castrated instead, for the safety of society.

>>3589677
children cannot consent to sex. Sex with a child is always always always rape. Pedophilia is a power/rape fantasy disorder, not a sexuality.
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>>3589677
...You just went full retard, anon.

Being a pedophile (being attracted to kids) does not mean that you're a rapist. It /can/ get there, sure, because of all that pent up stress. I'll agree with you there. But it's better to think of responsible pedos as asexual.
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>>3589697
>sex is always rape
>sexuality is a power/rape disorder
>actually believing this bullshit
>>>tumblr.com
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>>3589671
You seem like a nice person.
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>>3589523
>image
right now 4chan already has popularity as it was the only game in town to produce desirable content - 4chan still has loads of content so it will continue - if the other site is indeed better for what current 4chan users want then people will switch as the other side grows -

also moot is cute so *fart noise*
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>>3589710
>tumblr
...is that the best you got, you child rapist shithead? Is that why you want to fuck children, because you can't engage on an adult level?

>>3589729
A person's sexual fantasies reflect their mental well-being. Obsessing over child rape to the point of claiming it as a sexuality is indicative of major mental illness. You can get treatment to correct the underlying issues and the rape fantasies will evaporate on their own.

It's actually a lot like the emerging science of addiction - a healthy and fulfilling life solves dependency and abusive issues. Get help.
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>>3589734
m00t is a fucking cutie pie
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>>3589741
But his neck looks weirdly thin/long for his head
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>>3589699
Look at what I'm responding to.
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>>3589738
Oh I can engage on an adult level, but only when you're ready to. Believing that sex in any situation other than violently forced is rape is tumblr-tier bullshit and believing that someone cannot have a legitimate sexual orientation you find disagreeable makes you no different than the anti-lgbt crowd.

It's like someone who has a thing for feet being disgusted by someone who has a thing for piss and so says the piss-fetishist has a mental disorder. Either jump in the boat with them and say that you yourself also have mental problems for not being straight, or see them as they truly are - no different than you except for what attracts them, which in all honesty for the LGBTQ crowd shouldn't be too hard.
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>>3589784
Ohhh wow. So sex with a child isn't rape because rape isn't rape, and if I disagree I'm a hypocrite for liking sex with consenting adults?

Sweetheart, you have problems. Scary problems. Please seek help.
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>>3589784
That last paragraph is basically why I sympathize with you lot. But it's a really hard and conflicting feel. On the one hand, it sucks for you guys because you can't help or change it and I, as a faggot, understand this. On the other hand though, as someone who wants to be a parent someday, I could never in a million years conceive being okay with someone hanging around my kid. Even if I'm sympathetic towards it. Probably especially /because/.

>>3589781
And sorry about the mixup, I thought that one anon was responding to me. I'm this fag: >>3589671
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>>3589784
no it isn't

gay people have a normal outlet for their sexuality. foot fetishists, have a relatively normal outlet for their sexuality. paedophilia is a pathological disorder, even if they repress it, it will always be damaging to them.
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>>3589830
Rape is when sex is violently forced upon an unwilling victim.

Sex in any other situation isn't.

If you've bought into the tumblr definition of rape being "anything I don't like is rape" than you/re the one with problems.

I'd like to refer you to this post:
>>3589696

>>3589837
I'm not a pedo, just a pedo defender. I can see why you're against that, but I see that your reasons is a product of modern society. There was a time when it was perfectly normal in the greatest society on earth for pedos to have sex with children - times changed, religions and philosophies changed, and with them the sense of morality. Pedophilia became discouraged and punished along with all other sexualities aside from straight.

We're coming back out of the dark age now, as you can see with the advances of the LGBT movement, and eventually we can return to that societal mindset where all sexuality is ok.
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>>3589887
it's not rape if they can't say no, right bro?
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>>3589879
>pedophilia will always be damaging
If you mean to the pedo, how?
If you mean to the kids, see
>>3589696
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>>3589904
I just showed you a post about how they can say no, and just like with adults it's your responsibility to stop when they say that. If you try to have sex with an adult and they say no, and you keep going after they've refused permission, then it is rape. If however, they are ok with and want to have sex with you, then it isn't rape. Same thing goes with a child.

This really shouldn't be rocket science, you know.
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>>3589741
and who is even the other person, if she doesn't have a tag like m00t how am supposed to replace mootykins? it can't be done
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>>3589921
Do you not comprehend that children are more impressionable and malleable than adults? A child may think they're okay with it, but when they grow up and try to have healthy relationships they'll discover how fucked up they really are. Coercive rape is still rape. Grooming children into thinking they want sex is still fucking abuse.
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>>3589928
G/Admin, the innovative.
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>>3589907
because they can't act on it. surely i don't need to explain why that will be ultimately detrimental to their life.

and yes, some kids will be receptive. it might not even effect them. however all modern research on the topic shows that a huge majority resent being molested, and it's had a huge effect on the rest of their life. it isn't your decision to make. you don't just get to chance on a kids psyche so you can have a little cum. not to mention even if they are seemingly receptive, you are an adult. they will nearly always bend to your will, the power balance is completely unbalanced and acting like it's a totally mutual relationship and un-manipulative is just disingenuous.
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>>3589938
>Coercive rape is still rape. Grooming children into thinking they want sex is still fucking abuse.
/thread
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>>3589928
You know... Moot doesn't care for his user base.
You know that right?
What happened to that suggestions board here, Mchan has one but this place doesn't I wonder why...
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>>3589939
so she's "G"?
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>>3589408
>our /b/ offtopics porn
Our /b/ offtopics porn dumps. Some porn threads are somewhat OC like or contain discussions about fetishes and preferences.

But since the dutch faggot girl got reposted on Mchan a million times, badmin decided to make it off topic
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>>3589945
The thread is obviously still split between two sides, don't /thread yet.
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>>3589951
m00tikins doesn't need our devotion, but he has it anyway.

now shoo
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>>3589958
The porn threads aren't deleted, they're just branded as off topic, they continue to exist along side the on topic threads.
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>>3589951
I've never heard him say that, what makes you think that to be so?
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>>3589956
Global Admin, the mchan user base only knows that she is devoted to allowing everyone have freedom of speech.

That also means no bans
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>>3589963
I know. I just wanted to say that badmin doesn't move that many porn threads to off-topic so you should take care of what you say.

I bet an /lgbt/ thread ob /b/ wouldn't get off-topicd
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>>3589951
>mfw you're supposed to "care" about a bunch of NEETs and weeaboos that consistently get you in trouble with the law
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>>3589982
As long as it's a good subject.
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>>3589964
>>3589964
The fact that he never posts updates about this site.
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>>3589996
Who do you think you are? The creator of /b/?

I think what someone likes will someone else dislike. Who defines what a "good subject" is and how? I think the mchan admins have to be very objective which threads deserve to be on topic and which not. There are many people who dislike Mchan only because of it's porn threads but are these people right?
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>>3589983
He could at least acknowledge his user base instead of Shitting on them Like during gamer gate.

http://pastebin.com/tAynguZP

You didn't get this from me, okay.
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>>3590002
/q/ got flooded with anti /pol/ propaganda. That's why moot deleted it
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>>3590031
We usually shout at the admin to off topic something that we think shouldn't be on topic and vice versa, usually he/she does a good job though.
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>>3590038
And you use this censorship happy persons chan for what reason?
The users of mchan have the power to create boards themselves and if the admin of the board doesn't log in for a month it disappears, that's one of the only plausible reasons for a board to be deleted.
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>>3589938
And in your entire time writing that did it never occur to you that a child's entire life growing up is filled with coercive adults preying on their impressionable and malleable nature?

If you want to go that route than I could say discipline or forcing them to stay in school against their will is rape as well, even though it's coercive

>inb4 r u srsly trying to = the 2?
It's not that hard of a connection to make. Sex is a normal, healthy part of life. School is a normal, healthy part of life. Kids don't want to go to school but we coerce them to do it anyways, and in the end they're ok with going, ergo rape.

If coercion and persuasion is rape, then we shouldn't do a thing with children after giving birth to them because it would prey on their impressionable and malleable nature. We shouldn't buy them Fruity Loops because they might have wanted Captain Crunch. We shouldn't feed them hamburgers because they might have wanted to be a vegan when they get older. We shouldn't teach them anything because we're forcing knowledge upon them they didn't want. We shouldn't tell them there's a Santa Claus because they'll find out the truth later.

Now I hope you can see just how ridiculous all of that was. Every human being's childhood is nothing but adults taking advantage of their impressionable and malleable nature either through persuasion or coercion.

What do you think parents and teachers are? Caretakers? Custodians? Babysitters? Parents and teachers shape and groom the children into the adults they will become. This is why we make children begin training at a young age - because they are impressionable.

So, either ask yourself if you would be the person you are today without adults "forcing" their influence upon you....or be smart and realize that sex is a perfectly normal part of life and that it's no more harmful to kids than the rest of the things we do to them during the course of their childhood.
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>>3590054
>even though it's coercive
should be
>since it's coercive
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>>3590002
Maybe he posted happy birthday? Maybe he's just busy - he still loves me..
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>>3590052
I don't stick to boards where everything gets deleted.

>>3590041
Are you the first one from Mchan who says Vice Versa?
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>>3590054
Beautifully said.
You've raised a good point that we need to touch upon; for Pedos to be accepted, the prudish nature in society needs to be eradicated.

Talking about sex and matters similar to that need to be the norm, "the talk" needs to be something that is just calmly talked about without any awkward pressure because when it comes down to it every single being alive right now is a product of some sort of procreation.

We need to stop being so awkward about sex.
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>>3590054
>Sex is a normal, healthy part of life.
Agreed, but very, very, very few kids have sexual experiences with other kids before they hit full on puberty around 13+. Some comparing here and there maybe a bit of touching, but full on sex? No way.

Even then, that kind of sexual exploration is best kept between kids their age. Nobody is going to get on a phone agency to look up a pedo in a database when their kid starts getting a little curious.
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>>3590073
I guess I should've specified, I meant about things being on topic and off topic.
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>>3590073
The boards don't usually die.
Why don't you take a stroll through our /pol or /b
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>>3590054
So... you are literally saying that providing for a child's education is the moral equivalent of grooming them to be fucktoys for perverts.

I don't suggest sharing your little theory with anyone in a position to punch you in the dick. Because you're gonna get punched in the dick.
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>>3590110
But he based it on your logic, if you think what he's saying is ridiculous than you're indirectly saying your logic is ridiculous.
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>>3590107
I meant that I don't usually browse 4chan boards where things get censored like /lit/ or /d/
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>>3590118
My logic includes the given that raping children harms them. Maybe you're confused because you don't understand why raping children is bad...?
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>>3590132
*I visit /lit/ and /d/ because there is no censorship
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They like kids and that's wring is. Much better argument than "they like men and thats wrong" due to the fact that kids are underaged and don't fully understand or are prepared for sex while a man is


Also this may be off topic but as a mtf who is pretransition is it weird that I've always felt like kids are adorable and I want to like say so or whatever but I don't becuase I don't feel like getting beaten up for being a pedofile but when a woman does the same thing its totally okay it seems and not creepy at all
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>>3590110
Analysis:
>violently confrontational reaction to logic
>negative view on sexuality in general
>inability to equate normal parts of everyday life, holds sex as something quite different from everything else, possibly sacred
>equates alternate sexuality with perversion though posting on a board for alternate sexualities

Diagnosis:
Christian, or at least influenced by the christian-enforced victorian mindset a good portion of the world has moved on from
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>>3590133
Explain it
Imagine we all don't know shit and we must find out what's good and what's bad with the sokratic method
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>>3590132
Oh, my bad
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>>3590144
Don't forget the possibility of him/her being in the closet, he/she needs an outlet for his/her frustration.
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>>3590133
Raping children is bad.

But I presented to you the fact that not all sex with children is rape, to which you said all sex with children was indeed rape even if they were persuaded into it, after which I showed you the fallacy of that mindset.

Now you are left with two options:

1.) Any interaction with children is rape because of their impressionable nature

2.) Sex with children is no different than any other interaction with them, though should they oppose your advances and you still follow through it becomes rape at that point.
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>>3590172
Given: For sex not to be rape, it must be consented to.
Given: Children cannot legally consent.
Irrefutable conclusion: Sex with children is rape.

You're welcome.
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>>3590195 not the anon you replied to.
Another hypothetical: the parent/s and child give their consent.
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>>3590195
Didn't the anon say any type of interaction, like even telling them the time.

Why do you keep on changing your shiz anon?
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>>3590195
Legality =/= morality.

If this board (and the internet) existed 200 years ago, everyone on it would get v& for not being straight.

Heck, I'll say what I did before:

If this board existed in modern Iran, everyone on it would be executed because anything but straight is a crime there.
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Enjoy your shitty rape thread, boys - I'm out, because I'm going to go have some actual sex with a consenting adult.

You know, I'm actually in favor of more reasonable treatment of pedos by the justice system, but you won't ever convince people in general to let you rape children. Monitoring and treatment (not prison) for non-violent child rapists is my liberal-ass position, and it's never going to be mainstream in your lifetimes.

Be thankful we've progressed to a point where you aren't just beaten to death in the street. And pray people like me get to decide your fates when you get caught.
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>>3590172
I subscribe to the notion that peds are largely misunderstood but I find I most agree with 1. Here's why:

While sexual exploration does happen naturally within kids, it's rarely ever full blown sex as we know it. Touching, exploring, comparing, sure. Sex? No.

If sex was common within young children, then nobody would be up in arms about it at all.

>inb4 AOC should be lower then cus teenagers are horny
I actually agree! However, there would def need to be a line drawn to protect kids who don't understand the implications of sex but may be coerced into participating in it.


Here's a moral question... if most gay dudes really only figure out they're gay until 11-12, would it be okay then for gay peds to engage in sex with boys that may not be fully conscious of their own sexuality?
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>>3590286
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>>3589219
>>3589196
>>3589162
just fyi, I'm not a pedo myself, and I'm not even really sure if it is harmless (even in the non-radical situation). However, I'd bet that if it were legal with parental and child consent, there would be less abuse because the pedos wouldn't be taking radical measures to keep the kids' mouths shut like ensuring they don't understand what's going on... tl;dr should probs be legal with consent of child and parents
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