SA80A3

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>>35183290
Still no polymer lower receiver like DSTL promised me

Still a jawbreaker for lefties, so into the trash it goes.

How a modern military thinks this is even remotely acceptable is astonishing.

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an older trial version

>>35183290

Totally doesn't make you think of a *COUGH* Scar H.

>>35183290
Lipstick on a pig. The handguard is nice, but MOD should think about procuring a rifle that doesn't knock teeth out instead.
>>35183313
The SCAR didn't invent multiple tone finishes, COD kiddie.

Looks pretty neat, I guess.

>>35183290
Why no green?

>>35183320 They're making it tan to fit with the current aesthetic of the British army with MTP Camo

The MOD could still completely ignore this and go with something completely different but I doubt it considering how fucked our budget is

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>>35183320
>Why no green?

I heard the FN-H went with light desert colors for two reasons:
1) that's the color that matches where most conflicts are taking place currently.
2) that's an easy color to paint over if you want something else. (painting over black is a pain in the ass and requires way more paint)

I suspect that HK and UK MOD used the same reasoning?

>>35183320
A lot of moorland still has a lot of brown/tan grass and so the tan still blends rather well on a lot of European terrain as well as obviously blending in with ME scenery

>>35183290
The best sa80s are the LSAW ones and the shorties used by those boat guys.

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>>35183307
>t.never even fired the rifle, let alone left handed.

Opinion discarded

>upgrade new rifles
>stop eating beans on toast for meals

pick one bongs.

>>35183367
Wow, beans on toast? Sodexo are really stepping up their game.

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>>35183361
>Opinion discarded

Because it's entirely inconceivable for a soldier to put it cheekweld slightly too far forward during a fucking firefight, right?

What are you, retarded? Fuck off apologist. Soldiers should not have to put up with such retarded antiquated designs.

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Still no change of the fire selector position.

Hell, even the Chinese could fix theirs. Why cant the fucking bongs? I thought you were superior white race and all?

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>>35183361

Look at this pic. Notice how far forward the face is when normally shouldering the rifle?

Notice where the fucking bolt would go if you did the same from the left handed position?

>>35183385
I'm left handed, left eye dominant and I managed to learn to fire right it handed. Primary use of weak side shooting is in cqb where you'll be using the mrd anyway. You didn't even look at your own picture long enough to realise he doesn't have a cheek weld.

So yes, >opinion discarded

>>35183394
>Using an L22 for ship clearance with distances where point shooting will suffice
>Using the 4x optic with literally half a centimeter of eye relief i.e. no peripheral vision in cq

Pick one

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>>35183402
>the MOD planning dept

kek, the apologist returns. I guess the british always had a disregard for teeth anyway.

I'm happy that I'm not in the fucking british military, that's for fucking sure.

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>>35183426
>Has shit opinion
>Gets proven wrong
>Retorts with lame insults that he didn't invent and adds nothing to the discussion
>Completely validated my opinion

Thanks anon. You cunts backpeddle faster than the French

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>>35183458
>proven wrong
>implying

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>>35183458
>Gets proven wrong

Proven wrong? You're the one that cherry picked the fucking situations in which it's OK to use it as you described, you dumbass. But keep up your delusion, britcuck.

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>>35183469
>Doesn't offer any valid counterpoints
>I-i-i-if I say imblying in a dismissive way I'll recoup some of my dignity r-r-right g-guys?

The summer holiday has ended; shouldn't you be in school?

>>35183492
(It's saturday mate)

I fucking hate you all.

>>35183471
Ironically, you cherry picked situations in which the recipient of said gat would have to fire weak-sided around cover i.e. very infrequently, in order to justify why the L85 was a shit (as opposed to adequate) rifle. With the height over bore of the mrd (which pretty much every rifle that's currently actively deployed has) you can't get a cheekweld, so it doesn't even matter in CQB either. You're trying to gob off about something you know nothing about.

Once again,

N E V E R F I R E D

>O P I N I O N D I S C A R D E D

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>>35183492
>Doesn't offer any valid counterpoints

What more counterpoint do you need other than "breaks your fucking jaw if used the same way left handed as you would use it right handed"?

You nicely cherry picked the situations where it's not an issue, but that doesn't detract from my argument and you're the one that's dodging, douchebag.

The SA80 is outdated and needs to fucking go. Stop polishing the turd.

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>>35183507
This is the most sensible comment on the whole thread.

>>35183518
It'll cut your nose if you try shifting a bogey with the bayonet too.

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>>35183518
>"breaks your fucking jaw if used the same way left handed as you would use it right handed"?
Doesn't break your jaw when using the mrd because no cheek weld.
Even then, when angling the rifle down and firing left handed and you can STILL use the primary optic and not get hit by the cocking handle.

Next argument please, maybe from someone who's had trigger time on it rather than airshit kiddies.

>>35183290
I'm not happy about the colour, it implies a long stay in a desert shithole.

Actually looks like a modern rifle that belongs on a battlefield, not a 70s relic that belongs in a museum.

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>>35183549
It looks like that because of the lights, when you look at other pictures it's clear that it's just supposed to match MTP.

>>35183557
Seppos are going to be pissed when all the useless shit they have hanging off their rails starts mysteriously disappearing.

>>35183573
Things don't just fall of rails.

>>35183584
lel

>>35183290
HK tiny dickMod plus slots I don't think are really MLOK - they aren't rectangular at least. Suspicious about the buttstock could be reused old parts. Grip-pod is good, looks like a nice barrel. FG42 sights is good.

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>>35183547
>Next argument please, maybe from someone who's had trigger time on it rather than airshit kiddies.

Considering only two inbred islands use this pile of shit (one of which was high when they purchased it) and that it was never made available to civilians in any relevant number, good luck finding people with actual trigger time on it.

>>35183402
Fuck off bong noguns, even the French and Austrians learned how to make an ambidextrous rifle. Pick up sonething besides your issued shitbox and learn how non anglos make guns.

>>35183612
I don't have to look very far considering I've used it quite considerably.

Guess who hasn't

(((You)))

>>35183619
"""Ambidextrous"""

>"Oh shit I need to fire around cover left handed"
>"Let me just take it to the unit armourer right quick before we step off

>>35183290
Perfume on a pig, the L85 design is inferior to anything a modern military uses. Even China's bullpup rifle is better (Used an L85 in Bagram and handled a T-97 in Canada on vacation, the Chinese gun was better). If they don't want to use AR based guns they should just replace with AUGs.

>>35183628

Bong version

>I'm left handed
>Oh well eat shit, the military didn't think of that when they bought these pos guns
>But why do lefties in other militaries get compatible guns?
>looking at guns online without a license? That's a 6 year jail sentence, criminal scum!

>>35183402
Lost my right eye so I got denied entry even for a non combatant role sadly

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>>35183621
>I don't have to look very far considering I've used it quite considerably.
>Guess who hasn't
>(((You)))

I never claimed to, friendo.
But I suspect you're either suffering from brain damage or from Stockholm syndrome.

Just because you can make it work, doesn't mean that excuses glaring design flaws being perpetuated into a third fucking generation of the rifle.

>>35183628

Not the guy you're quoting, but:
For the FAMAS, you're right, but the AUG isn't that bad. You can add a clip on deflector that makes it quite acceptable.

Obviously there's no reason to settle for that in a new rifle though.
No doubt it plays a reason in why they are shitcanning the FAMAS.

>>35183290
I wonder if birtbongs are so delusional they think the reason the L85 was never exported or sold in civilian sporter versions is because it's so great and too risky to sell such a destructive/effective/deadly weapon.

>>35183643
The FAMAS was shitcanned because the government shut down all the factories and destroyed most of the tooling that was with it originally.

>>35183638
Shit man that really sucks; sorry about that

A much better upgrade would be converting them to a more conventional layout. Fuck bullpups.

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>>35183659
>The FAMAS was shitcanned because the government shut down all the factories and destroyed most of the tooling that was with it originally.

Which they probably wouldn't have done if it was a good design. Hell, if it was a worthwhile weapon, the free market would have maintained its production facilities for them.

>>35183643
>Just because you can make it work, doesn't mean that excuses glaring design flaws being perpetuated into a third fucking generation of the rifle.

What are you on about? If it can be made to work, regardless of configuration from the factory, why would the MoD spend any amount of money rectifying the design if the operational capacity isn't effected?

>>35183687
By that logic the L85 is shit seeing how the same circumstance happened with Royal Small Arms Factory.

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>tfw all this new issue gucci kit like VERTIS and SA80A3
>RAMC and REME will get issued it before my Infantry Battalion does
>still have a Mk 6 helmet

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>>35183694
>What are you on about? If it can be made to work, regardless of configuration from the factory, why would the MoD spend any amount of money rectifying the design if the operational capacity isn't effected?

Why does every car use a four wheel design when the Reliant Robin could also get you from point A to point B?

It's suboptimal, you obtuse dipshit. Why would you ever settle for this fucking junk?

>>35183701
>By that logic the L85 is shit seeing how the same circumstance happened with Royal Small Arms Factory.

But the L85/SA80 is shit? So I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make.

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>>35183730
>tfw Navy/Marine reserve get beat up Mk6 and the RAF get cushty brand new Mk6A

Fucking figures, war never changes.

>>35183734
>But the L85/SA80 is shit?

t. American who has never used it and still thinks his front heavy and cumbersome M16A4 is gods gift to Infantrymen

>>35183754
It's because the RAF regiment are paedophiles

Paedophiles love smooth baby coloured helmets

>>35183755
Those things are front heavy to counterbalance the excess weight behind it.

>>35183765

And is that spoken from experience?

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>>35183734
>Why does every car use a four wheel design when the Reliant Robin could also get you from point A to point B?

Ignoring the fact that thousands of people used the reliant robin because it was cheap and accessible and it did the job it needed to do.

If it isn't broken, why would you fix it and more importantly risk fucking it up? I can tell you'd never fit in in the military

>>35183769
Yes, Americans are fat.

>>35183765
>front heavy
>counterbalance

Silly burger

>>35183755
The M16A4 is better than the L85. How the fuck do you make a bullpup weigh as much as a battle rifle? How do you design a weapon in the 80s that isn't even ambidextrous?

>>35183619
>learn how non anglos make guns.
>implying anglos don't make the best guns
Why not buy C7/MRR15.7S? Literally the best you can buy off the shelf right now unless you go full Oil Sheik retarded and get SR-16s for everyone.

They could also buy Australian F90s if they wanted to continue the meme.

If the L85 is so great why are the British units that opt to use C8s instead?

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>>35183458

>Retarded argument with another /k/ommando
>B-but you spew lame insults that you didn't invented
>Proceed to make a French surrending
>Will probably claim it's friendly banter and entirely not the same thing

t.double standards tea monkey

>>35183782
Only SAS blokes and the HAC use C8s

The SAS use it because it's an ambiguous weapon that can't be used to identify exactly what nation the unit comes from.

the HAC use it because they just want to look ally, not because they like it.

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>>35183755
>t. American who has never used it and still thinks his front heavy and cumbersome M16A4 is gods gift to Infantrymen

Belgian.

>>35183771
>Ignoring the fact that thousands of people used the reliant robin because it was cheap and accessible and it did the job it needed to do.

And hundreds of them crashed. :)

>If it isn't broken, why would you fix it and more importantly risk fucking it up? I can tell you'd never fit in in the military

Because there's literal off the shelf rifles which are better all around and cost less?

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>>35183781
> anglos make the best guns

Lindybeige pls, This is what happens when you forbid your people from even holding a gun without a certified assault handling license.

lads, I want to join the Parachute Regiment but I don't fuck 13 year old girls, what should I do?

>>35183774

I don't think you are as that contradicts what I've heard from people who I know who actually use them.

>>35183782
Anonymity, weight and highspeedlowdrag gotta go fast sneaky beaky shit. They, unlike most non-SF units, have the budget and clout to procure extraordinary equipment as per what their mission dictates.

>>35183687
Except budget cuts on their military and its factories doesn't always mean that the design was shit. Alot of other weapons and some of their tooling were also scrapped like the FR-F1. Too further add, there used to be a FAMAS in .222 for the civillians but the the '93 French law where "war weapon replicas" became more heavily regulated killed them in the civillian market. Thus it was far cheaper to buy foreign than to retool all over again

>>35183796
>Cost less

The new rifle that you buy is more expensive than the current rifle in inventory that you paid for 20 years ago.

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>>35183290
How does it compare to the Spandau?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSq8ZBdSxNU

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>>35183790
>ambiguous weapon that can't be used to identify exactly what nation the unit comes from.

>Gee Mohammed, who were those guys with British IR flags, Cockney Accents that fled in terror leaving this dog here?
>Oh my Allah I don't know!

Pls, it's because they wanted a gun that wasn't shit. German,Aussie,Finn and the like don't do this.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458671/SAS-vow-to-recapture-Army-dog-snatched-by-Taliban-in-shoot-out

Special Forces are SPECIAL and therefore get designated top of the line equipment for their jobs. We'd go bankrupt if we issue every man in the military with that equipment

>>35183790
>SAS use it because it's an ambiguous weapon that can't be used to identify exactly what nation the unit comes from.
No. They use it because it absolutely shit on the competition which included the G36/552/FNC/Galil/C8(C7 actually)/SA80/AUG/FAMAS. It was a money no object sort of deal. That's why they also selected oddball shit like the Ameli that won the LMG contract but got shitcanned because the Spaniards are shit at making guns beyond prototypes. They also used the original Armalite marked 01s in Malaysia and were the first unit to ever field them, even before Americans or (South Vietnamese who were before the US) did IIRC.

>>35183801
Try Marines, you'll go after the fellas instead but to balance they'll teach you how to drink piss and fight like a Glaswegian.

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>>35183687

>FFL try coup d'état
>France government shit his pant, dodged actual bullet
>Civvie was with the FFL
>Quickly pass laws to make impossible to grab any form of military firearms for civvie
>freemarket.meme

>>35183801
Being a paedo is for the NAAFI mafia; Paras prefer pissing in each others mouths and occasional bum fun a la 3 PARA mortars

>>35183816

I like how you didn't actually answer the point.

>>35183307

learn to use things right handed like a human being, you freak

>>35183797
>Anglo means you're from the UK
What are you talking about retard? Anglo doesn't mean you live in British. They weren't like the French with their nigger-only colonies. Like half of the US is anglo, and they're sizeable in Canada and AUS. All of which have more experience in arms design then nearly any other country. That's not mentioning the fact that the UK's defense industry is one of the largest in the world. They just don't give a shit about small arms as that's not the cash cow when you can make ships, boomers, and F35s.

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>>35183814
>The new rifle that you buy is more expensive than the current rifle in inventory that you paid for 20 years ago.

Except you're now upgrading it for the third time, effectively polishing a turd practically no one else uses, meaning you're the only one carrying the development cost for it.
You are also forced to make new guns in smaller numbers, further raising the cost since you can't take advantage of economies of scale.

Sure, the investment cost up front is higher, but it's rather meaningless in the long term. Especially if you compare these cost to the magnitude of other military costs.

>>35183782
What the others said, AR15 rifles are passed around like candy to guerrillas and political dissidents, that it's difficult to identify which country you from. Along with the fact that the SAS has been using the AR15 prior to the L85 ever being invented and adopted.

>>35183834
The point is retard, they didn't buy it to fool people they encounter into thinking obvious Brits aren't Brits simply because they aren't using L85s.

>>35183806
But seppos are useless m8.

>>35183842

Except, the people who have the numbers in front of them have judged that this is the more cost effective decision. So speculate all you want.

>>35183842
Who would win?
>A £200 rail kit and a £1 paint job
or
>Brand new £800 rifles and an entirely new logistic chain, new training as well as the cost of assessing whether it's worth spending this much money on an AR, all because some neckbeard on /k/ who's never fired the rifle said it was shit for left handed people

>>35183358
The 86 and 22 you mean?

>>35183790
>>35183807
>>35183843

This is the biggest line of bullshit since 5.56 was designed to wound. The reality is they wanted a gun that could carry it's own weight. Ever wonder why special forces units like KSK don't use AR based weapons?

>>35183864
How about replacing a gun that's past it's prime? Even the Indians are replacing their shitty domestic gun.

>>35183842
>>35183864
Forgot to add; nice pic, where did you find it?

>>35183873
>How about replacing a gun that's past it's prime? Even the Indians are replacing their shitty domestic gun.

How about stop thinking your personal opinions are informed.

>>35183873
>Ever wonder why special forces units like KSK don't use AR based weapons?
I would imagine because H&K throw gear at them for free publicity.

>>35183307
They just teach them to shoot right handed, not many recruits have done a lot of shooting beforehand so it's a blank slate.

>>35183885
How about stop thinking your gun is a good weapons solely because it's the only self loading rifle your government allows you to touch at the cost of military service or it must be good because it originates from your home nation?

>>35183873
>This is the biggest line of bullshit since 5.56 was designed to wound. The reality is they wanted a gun that could carry it's own weight. Ever wonder why special forces units like KSK don't use AR based weapons?

My unit has a weapons and tactics demo once a year from 23 Reserve blokes that come down and LITERALLY TELL US that the reason they carry the C8 is for anonymity and because they require lighter rifles for recce; the simon sleeve is for when they need to use a high volume of fire. They even told us that when they need to punch out to longer ranges, they will in fact favour the L85.

>How about replacing a gun that's past it's prime? Even the Indians are replacing their shitty domestic gun.

Because theirs doesn't work lmao, ours does.

>>35183901
>your gun

How about stop projecting your own insecurities on anonymous posters?

>>35183290
>>35183310
Is that a polymer front end? I could get behind that provided it's not insanely unbalanced. Has there been any word on potential internal mechanical changes?

>>35183897
>I would imagine because H&K throw gear at them for free publicity.

If you knew anything about the military is all equipment manufacturers give out shit for free to military units for publicity. Doesn't mean they are forced to use it.

>>35183905
>from 23 Reserve blokes that come down and LITERALLY TELL US

>Someone told me this! It must be true!

Your third party anecdotal evidence must be true then.

>>35183518
>It can hurt you if you use it wrong
No shit Sherlock.
I guess I should bitch about how terrible my car is because if I drive in 2nd gear everywhere it shags the gearbox.

>>35183906
>Lol bingbong fag can't stand his rifle being called shit.

Lol tell your people to build a real gun instead of importing violent rapists.

>>35183911
>Why does SF do this thing
>Special forces literally say exactly why they do something
>"Goddamnit, why won't they just tell me the real reason they do the thing"

>>35183909
If you knew anything about the English language you'd have understood that sentence properly.
You can't base your procurement policy on maybe getting some freebies.

>>35183923
>I'm telling you someone told me this!
>Why can't you take my word for it? I'm telling you I'm totally being truthful here!

>>35183924
You literately claiming HK is giving out free guns to prevent them from adopting the alleged britbong tactic of AR-15s so your SF units can cloak like the predator. Get real.

>>35183926
Holy shit dude, I don't know what to say. How can you be this much of a spastic? Do you not believe your mum when she tries to tell you that she is, in fact, your mother because "that's just like, your anecdotal evidence maaaan"

>>35183931
The H&Ks in question look exactly like M4s anyway.
I'm not sure why you're so salty about someone using a gun which you'll never encounter yourself unless you're being shot by one.

>>35183911
This is the most agnostic post I've ever seen

>>35183921

say the lard with litteral niggers chimping everywhere on xer country

keep fapping to 1911/Garand/M16 tho, gifts from god right ?

Bullpups are a waste of time w/ruined ergos

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>yfw the British army wants to reintroduce the LSW instead of the Minimi because muh cost despite the fact that the Minimi accounts for 60% of the sections firepower

>>35183290
Serously, when are they gonna replace that stupid trigger guard, it ruins the aesthetics for me.

>>35183958
Also accounts for 5 billion percent of a sections stoppages, fuck that thing. I'd rather have fireteam LSWs but a section level gimpy a la 1980 rifle group/gun group

>they still kept that dogshit magwell
Jesus Christ bongs are a lost cause.

>>35183967
section level gimpy completely fucks up current section attack doctrine, good luck telling a gimpy gunner that he's going to be doing pairs fire and manoeuvre , he'll tell you to fuck right off he's going nowhere

>>35183952
t. person who never held guns.

lol. btw M16>L85. And this is coming from a slavaboo AK fag.

>>35183997
Why do people who have never touched a certain gun think that they are qualified to comment on it?

>>35184003
I blame STALKER.

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>>35183980
That's why he's in the gun group providing overwatch. 'sides the gimpy was already brought back into section service for the 'ghan and I'm assuming they fight through contact just fine

>>35184008
to be fair section attacks went right out the window in Afghan, all those weeks spent in Catterick doing them over and over again and then when you actually get contacted it's just a game of "go firm, RTR and wait for airstrike or platoon flank"

>>35184018
Yeah platoon mortars made a comeback as well and loads of javelins got blatted in the pursuit of winning hearts and minds

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>>35184005
Get out of here, M.U.C.K.E.R

No one here is saying the UK has to adopt the M16. They can always go back to letting FN make their rifles.

>>35184068
That would be an intensely stupid thing to do right now.

>>35183385
looks like they dropped their mags in the pic.

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>>35184003
>Why do people who have never touched a certain gun think that they are qualified to comment on it?

Because you need to actually jump off a bridge to realize that it's probably a bad idea, right?

Come on, dude, the arguments given clearly have merit... Why settle for this hunk o' junk?

>>35184097
Because this is a modification, and doesn't involve changing the entire inventory and training routine.

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>>35183921
>>35183952

Hey! Faggots!
>>>/pol/

>>35183957
As much as you'll probably get shit on for this opinion, I have to agree. A buddy was jerking off over his AUG, and when I picked it up I was all, "ew where do my gangly fucking arms go this is terrible".

Then again, I'm goddamned Jack Skellington and prefer a length of pull longer than a whale dick so what do I know?

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>>35183290

Is it any lighter?

Canadian infantry fag here, spent a year attached with the Brits. Have used both types. Won shooting medals with both.

The SA80 is 'ok' and likely doesn't deserve the trashing it gets here by spergs who have never handled one. As a guy that was raised and trained on AR variants (C7/C8, etc) the biggest shock to handling an SA80 is just how rear heavy the thing is. It balances out once you start adding accessories to the front (like your 5lb blank adapter... jesus), but it takes some regular use to adapt to it. That, and the bass-ackward drills coming from an AR. The trigger leaves a bit to be desired, but that's true of all bull-pups. What I appreciated was just how easy it was to clean after shooting a few hundred rounds. Just pop everything apart, clean a few parts with scotch pad, swab the bore, oil it up, job done.

That being said, an AR variant will become VERY front heavy once you add all the accessories, ie: Elcan Specter/EOTech, magnifier, PEQ 18, light, supressor, etc. I've handled and shot the new 15.7in Colt Canada IUR's with all the toys on it, and they are approaching 'boat anchor' in the weight department.

Anyway, I'm rambling here. Long story short: would carry on patrol again. Just wish they would fix the location of the selector switch and flare/widen the mag-well a bit more. Cut my right wrist a few times on that thing.

>>35184074
Why? Other than FN shilling derpyass 5.7x28 everywhere, I don't see the problem with that.

Answer me this. Why do the police and armed terror response teams in England all seem to use g36 based rifles, but the army used sa80?

In the usa it seems the police and army use the same weapons.

>>35184259
A lot of the ones in london do but it varies widely from county to county. Here in surrey the ARUs are equipped with mini-14s

>>35184259
Because each police force does its own procurement, basically.

>>35183816
did the doggo get rescued?

Legitimate question here for bong .mils. If you've ever used a non-bullpup rifle for duty and also handled the SA series, what are the different characteristics? I'm especially interested in what it's like just carrying the two around all the time.

>>35183905
Anonymity, lighter and you can change fire modes without taking a hand off the weapon. If patrolling with standard infantry theyll use L85s.

T. 18 Sig Reg

>>35184447
AR style is generally lighter, but more noticeably front heavy once youve got optics and grips and other kit on it. Easier to field strip though. L85 feels more comfortable because it sits back more when carrying, issued grippods can be pretty shit but better than resting on the mag. Can be a bitch to properly clean if it gets all sandy and youre out for a few days where you cant do a proper strip and clean.
Apart from that, both perform well, noticed the AR style needs more regular lubrication but runs well when looked after properly, L85 can take a bit more abuse.

>>35184604
And you don't get a bayonet either.

>>35184660
True that, the bayonet is mainly for psychological shit, the C8 has a pretty short barrel anyway, and if youre carrying a C8 youre probably packing a glock as well.

>>35184604

I would imagine then that a bullpup is a bit easier to keep shouldered and still use your support hand to do other things. All things being equal, which style do you prefer? Mag forward or bullpup?

>>35184447
Don't know why everyone thinks the L85 is easier to clean. The trigger mech housing will collect all sorts of shit that becomes very difficult to clean in field conditions where you're not taking the buttplate off. It's averagely reliable and doesn't burn off lube like DI ARs.

The rifle shoots fine, points well, SUSAT sucks but the ACOG is a good improvement and the LDS is even better. However, the SUSAT backup sights are an absolute triple decker shit sandwich and are never ever zeroed. With a UGL, optics, mag and LLM or whatever electro-optics are being used the rifle starts getting uncomfortably close to minimi weight., not to mention being a good 2-2.5kg heavier than the SLR. KITE sights are pretty gucci.

LOP is pretty similar to an A2 AR stock but it wish there was a longer handguard so I could grasp out. The rifle feels quite cramped if you're tall or have particularly long arms. The DD handguard has a section on the top that opens up so you can get to the gas system and the retaining inserts that hold it closed are razor fucking sharp. I've cut my thumbs multiple times not opening it carefully enough.

L22 has especially dogshit ergos because of the uber short railspace. Shit feels like a heavy, discount Khyber pass P90 and the balance is totally fugged. Gets issued in my unit with 3-point slings so say goodbye to weak side shooting altogether. LSW is literally just L85 longboi with added weight and imo handles and shoots better than the standard length one. LSW gunners usually get issued night sights before anyone else if they're available so enjoy your extra kilogram of brick on top of your already heavy gun, pvt.

>>35183290
I actually thought that was a gold plated gun at first glance.

>>35184741
Also important to note that everyone makes a big deal of the shitty change lever location but you're basically gonna leave it on repetition (or at least you should if your make ready drills are in order) before you step off and safety manipulation is with your right index finger. During fire and manoeuvre we were taught to just heave the weapon on fire when bounding so AR15 fire control a shit I guess.

>>35184702
Personal choice wise i prefer the C8 just because im a gear queer and you get more gucci shit for them, easier to field strip too. Both are solid rifles, ergonomics are mostly irrelevant as it depends on hours put in on the platform, C8 has got the fire selector right by your thumb though which is nice but you hardly ever use it.

>>35184768
I guarantee you the ones bitching about the selector are the very same ones who'll say external safeties on a carry pistol are dangerous.

>>35184786

Also, I believe you'll hear more Americans bitching about the selector because it's so common here for people to constantly flip the selector between safe and fire. I'm not opining between one school of though or another, just pointing out what seems to be most common. I'm not a veteran btw. I was raised hunting deer and I'd always leave the safety off on my hunting rifles since I'd had animals sneak up on me on more than one occasion and I felt that the metallic 'click' would just be one other way to spook the animal before shooting.

>>35184837
I think people are confusing the selector with the safety catch, they are in different locations on the L85. You can flip safety on and off using just the thumb or index finger without moving either hand.

>>35184866

Oh I see. I remember about that feature now. I've never seen an L85 in real life but I now remember Ian from Forgotten Weapons mentioning that. Seems at the end of the day, it all comes down to training and maintenance discipline like nearly everything.

>>35183290

>Mememod
>Not just any mememod though
>Literally HK-brand mememod that manages to be even WORSE than actual mememod.

HK was a mistake. Britain was a mistake.

>>35183290
Go to Kel-Tec.
Buy RDB design off George.
Take design to Belgium.
Get FN to militarize it in 6.5mm.
Make guns.
Sell them to MOD.

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>>35184903
>Red is safety
>Blue is selector switch

I think those slagging off the selector switch do not understand it has nothing to do with the safety or severely overestimate how often you fire in anything other than semi automatic.

>>35184935

What is it with piggybacked red dots and grippods and the military? I've only ever heard bad things about both of them, yet it's like it's all you see the military handing out.

>>35184973
The gripod is shitty but better than resting it on the magazine.

>>35184187

t.turbo nigger

Why all the L85A3 hate? I mean, it's a great rifle design. Idk though, I'll get crucified if I admit that.

>>35184929
>>35184973

I daresay it's something to do with the fact that when you're at the range you don't have to hang around for a few hours wondering if someone's going to put a target up for you.

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>>35184935
I agree, apparently modern British Army tactics only call for full auto to be used in close quarters and when shtf. It is a weird design though, I don't know of any other rifles that separate the safety and selector.

>>35183290
This gun is the manifestation of the fallacy of sunk cost

>>35184996
I wouldn't go as far as great, but it's fine and there's a whole bunch of them that the lads are already trained on.
Frankly we should've told the rest of NATO to swivel and stuck with the L1A1, if not told them to swivel and gone with .280 British from the start.

>>35184973
When assaulting a position was being taught 10 years ago, the SOP was to get a fresh mag on, post a grenade, set change lever to automatic and basically fire full auto unsighted and bayonet the fuck out of anything that's still moving.

Nowadays because of no-shoots in buildings and a 1x solicitor, ambulance chasing, being issued to every rifleman, shot accountability is now more important than ever and has taken precedence over the mere brassing up of any and all cunts. This is where the MRD is comes in handy, so that you don't have to use a very zoomed in view of tommy taliban when you kill him. Also allows you to retain some degree of peripheral vision in cqb and is more compatible with NODs.

>>35184996
>I mean, it's a great rifle design

It's a polished turd, not a great rifle design.

The SA80 is proof that small arms matter very little.

You could issue the British Army with Lee Enfields and they'd still get work done.

>>35185094
>You could issue the British Army with Lee Enfields and they'd still get work done.
>*Poo-in-Loo worry intensifies*

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>this much bickering and faggotry over a rifle that 98% of this board will never touch
>they don't realize the VP9 beats all these faggy bullpups

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>>35185150
Remember goy, no compromise

>>35183621
>(((You)))
I don't think you know what that memes

>>35185219
He's calling you a kike m8. Don't worry, no charge for the info.

>>35183317
They have no money for new rifles, which is why this thing exists
The L85 was originally supposed to be phased out by 2025, but the budget is not in their favor

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>>35183290
Why don't you bongs just get the F90 from Austeyr if you want a bullpup so badly, instead of the rather hit and miss project that the SA80 has been.

>>35185488

The L85A2 & upcoming A3 are "good enough" for the time being until a replacement comes along.

According to some reports and rumors, the SCAR might end up replacing the L85 if nothing else comes along by 2020/2030 (Can't remember which). Bullpups are on their way out.

I'd prefer them to adopt the C8 instead. SAS & Royal Marines are already using them, you know?

>>35185532
>According to some reports and rumors, the SCAR might end up replacing the L85 if nothing else comes along by 2020/2030 (Can't remember which). Bullpups are on their way out.

I'm assuming the 16? That'd be sweet, maybe perhaps lower the price on the SCAR as a whole if that happens.

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>>35185532
>According to some reports and rumors, the SCAR might end up replacing the L85 if nothing else comes along by 2020/2030 (Can't remember which).

Eh, doubt it.

If anything, they'd penny pinch and order something like a FNAC, since it's cheaper to issue.

Besides, due to their current connections with HK, I'd suspect they'd be inclined to go with the HK416.

>>35185553

Well, with the fuckery HK managed to pull through lobbying some Armynigger about .308, I'm not so sure anymore. I'd assume so, but then again, this is national militaries we're talking about...

>>35185613

You're probably right about either FNAC (basically a SCAR anyways) or the 416. Though, HK should be outright banned from participating in military acquisition ever again after their continual faggotry. Even if their 433 is a krautified ACR, fuck them and fuck their weapons, they don't deserve to ever be considered again, imo.

As I said, I'd prefer if it were the C8 or similar, but if the FNAC won, then no big deal I suppose.

Regardless, it does seem like it's gonna be replaced by a non-bullpup.

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>>35183619
>Fuck off bong noguns

Just a reminder that a bong on here has a FG42 with fun switch and only paid a thousand for it...

>>35183701
>By that logic the L85 is shit seeing how the same circumstance happened with Royal Small Arms Factory.
Not strictly true.

When H&K did the SA80 contract they were given NSAF (nottingham small arms factory) by BAE to conduct the work in.

NSAF still exists today and trades under H&K (UK) surprisingly they produce the majority of H&Ks product line due to the UKs firearms production and exportation laws.

>Morons who've never held gun complain about things that either don't exist or are not really an issue to the users

>That one raging Bong autist who turns up in every Brit thread claiming everything Britsh is perfect and insulting Murricans and making them come down on something harder than normal just to argue back at him

>Any rational discussion is lost immediately

Sounds like a normal L85 thread to me.

It's reliable, accurate and has proven itself over a long period. Could do with ambidextrous, but it's never really a problem for the users.

Nothing else to say really.

>>35186309

You should see the other bullpup thread.

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>>35186129
REG!!!
> Father is a brigadier
> relative of well known old school london gangsters
> One of oldest friends is the godfather for whole region of england
> Went to military school
> one of friends at school is son
> Works at local airfield/ museum fixing Various historic aircraft
> Gets good grades and choice of any college he wants
> Joins the british army
> Spends two years in northern ireland Possibly a member of SAS/SRR/COP
> MOTHERFUCKING SF never talks about it other than in passing
> Was at one point youngest corporal in the british army
> Deploys to iraq & afghanistan after being possibly RTU'd
> Wins loads of medals
> Gets made redundant because of his attitude as a non-com
> Re-Enlist as officer as he has the grades
> Becomes captain
> Meets saffi/Rhodesian woman 9 years younger than him
> Wins her father who fought in border war, and mother who fought in bush war
> Marries her
> Finds out her parents own a multi-million dollar international mining company
> goes to work for "Foreign office" doing "embassy work"
> One of only a handful of people in the uk allowed to CC and own automatic firearms
> Perpetually issued a 2nd gen British military contract sig 226 and 220 worth well over $50K and throws them around like a torture test Glawk
> Has a mugpul family and friends receiver on
> has STG44, FG42, M82, even a fucking welrod
> Has a complete collection of AI rifles
> Has over 120 firearms worth hundreds of thousands
> Won a BMW in a card game
> Made of 10K placing bets on brexit and trump
> Cousin got arrested for being in a neo nazi terror group
> Wife well known but never connected with reg
> Reg has hundred of thousdands of likes/ followers without people knowing who he really is.
> Spent 14 years in the army.
> Not even 35 years old

Reginald would be the ultimate british prime minster, Winston Churchill tier, and if he ever went back to youtube fuck knows how much of a following he would gain.

> He still gets called noguns no operator

I don't get it, why don't they just put a handle on both sides so everyone gets their teeth knocked out? Wouldn't that work and everyone would stop complaining?

>>35186129
How?

>>35186404
He is like Spawny Get from Viz.

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>>35183290
> 2017
> using keymod
Oh wait it's an even worse proprietary HK knockoff of keymod, I'm sure they won't regret this when rails start shearing off in the field.

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>still has fucking awful ergos
>reciprocating charging handle

If the British still had a firearms industry. They should license the RDB and make it acceptable as a service rifle. Though i'm sure they would manage to fuck that up. Which is hard. Given all the RDB needs is furniture that isn't held on with screws, and a dust cover for the ejection port.

>>35183694
Because you have now retrofitted the same guns twice and basically paid the same you would have for new guns three times over . Changing the rails doesn't change the fact that you are dropping further millions into equipment that is already coming up on its original wear out date. If you all love the L85 so much then build some new ones, of course we know you won't though because the worlds militaries have realized bullpups are a meme and are switching en masse back to conventional layout.

>>35187199
>If the British still had a firearms industry.
Most of what HK makes for militaries today is made in the uk in nottingham because its easier to export from the UK than it is to export from germany.

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>>35187307
that isn't exactly the same thing as Enfield, or having local firearms engineering talent.

>>35183636
Ha

ha

hurrrrrr