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how do we take back islas malvinas from the britain?

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how do we take back islas malvinas from the britain?
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>>27791313
Hello newfriend! You seem to have misspelled "The Falklands". Don't worry though buddy, I've got your back!
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>>27791325
no, they are Islas Malvinas, land that is the property of argentina
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Simple; prevent their navy from approaching.
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>asking this question
It's like you L I T E R A L L Y want to get bayoneted to death
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>>27791361
*RAF laughter intensifies*
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Lol as a free American I hate Britstan but I hate you Argentinean fags even more so we would gladly support Britbongs whooping that ass again like we did before!
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>>27791361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g
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>>27791381
with our navy? we have santa-cruz class diesel submarine
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>>27791381
What, by asking politely for us to fuck off?
Didn't your navy run out of ammo or something?
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>>27791313
>How do we take back islas malvinas from the British?
Simple, Take the Islands before they can get their carrier fully operational. You've got roughly 3-6 months before that happens.

But aside from that there is no way. The Argentine Airforce and Navies are both massively out of date due to the British blocking sales of advanced aircraft and weapons to you.
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>>27791381
That is not how you use a semi-colon, go back to fucking school
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>>27791361
That British flag flying over the Falklands for centuries says otherwise.
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>>27791313
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>>27791407
They have the following:
>Anti-submarine helicopters.
>Anti-submarine/Anti-aircraft frigates.
>Hunter-Killer submarines that are designed to hunt other submarines with homing torpedoes.
If your submarines can get through that then fair play but the chances are very slim.
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>>27791425
>Simple, Take the Islands

What part of that do you fathom is simple
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>>27791313
You had one chance and blew it, its impossible nowadays.
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>>27791453
I mean it realistically it wouldn't be that complicated

Last I heard all that's defending the islands is a few fighters and a garrison of troops

The brit's main fleet will take time to arrive
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>>27791313
Does anyone like to use opposing faction-produced guns and ammo for shits and giggles? So far I've put ZQI (Turkish) through a Zastava (Serbian), Norinco (PRC) through a Daewoo (Worst Korean) and British 9mm through an Argentine Bersa.

Using Tula in an AR doesn't count unless it's German.
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Argentina got BTFO in the early 80's. The technology gap has widened further since then.

Argentina has a 0% chance of taking the Falklands by military means.
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>>27791466
>I mean it realistically it wouldn't be that complicated

It's pretty fucking complicated when you have no naval forces, no air cover and no amphibious assault capabilities.
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>>27791453
None of it. The garrison there is large enough to hold off an invasion. Especially considering that the Argentinian air force still uses skyhawk.
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>>27791313
If i was in the UK govt I would have started supporting Mapuche militants as soon as I heard about the invasion. Money, training, equipment & weapons as well as copious good PR from the BBC world service and UK quality newspapers. As well as helping Chile with their territorial dispute (which cuts into the mapuche but whatever).
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>>27791477
22 Skyhawks and 31 Pucarás

Those 4 Typhoons are going to run out of ammo awfully fast unless they're using guns
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>>27791460
>4 Typhoons
It's impossible, OP.
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>the planes that Argies used in the 80's to try and take the islands would be the same exact planes they would use today if they tried again
M-muh Malvinas
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>>27791498
And the rapiers?

I´m also guessing the falklands garrison have a few stingers lying abut.
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>>27791498
>22 Skyhawks and 31 Pucarás
How many of those can fly? They are pretty old.
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>>27791498
Can pucaras even reach the islands?
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>>27791498
Did I forget to mention the AA defences? Including at least one warship.
>Pucarás
Prop-planes.
>4 Typhoons are going to run out of ammo unless they are using guns
They are designed to dogfight. They will have no problems.
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>>27791466
Considering they didn't even have a garrison last time Argentineans visited, the navy came slowly...and still beat your ass
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>>27791522
Flying within MANPADS range is full retard, even for the argies
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>>27791435
Im detecting some WiC over here
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>>27791498
aren't typhoon able to carry 8 AA missile ?
that's 36 total, enough to obliterate all the skyhawks then you can just gun down the pucaras
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>>27791435
I keep seeing people talk about container ships in relation to the falklands war, what is that about?
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Britian only won because they were slightly less incompetent than the Argies
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>>27791555
Some autist a while back had the idea of filling a container ship with troops and tanks to launch a sneak invasion, everytime we pointed out a flaw in his plan he would add to it. The end result was launching the attack during a violent storm, at night, using rubber ramps.
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1-send them all the fucking negros paqueros.
2-Kelpers and british garrison abandon the island due to the rampant crime and degeneracy.
3-little argentina slide peacefully onto island.
4-develope sweet sweet whale grease industry
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>>27791555
They want to give UK sub skippers a chance to run up the jolly rogers again.
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>>27791576
Sounds fun, shame the archive is ded so I can't search for the thread
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>>27791555

Kids these days... Too lazy to read, to leazy to learn, to lazy to expand their knowledge

I blame TV and Democrats
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>>27791546
They had a garrison of 70 troops with no anti-armour or anti-air equipment.

Now the garrison is 1200 soldiers with anti-armour and anti-aircraft weapons and equipment, aircraft support, strategic airlift (helicopters) and naval support.

It's a big base.
>>27791553
They can carry more missiles than that. 13 is all hardpoints are carrying a single missile and they can carry way more than that with double mounts.
>>27791555
The Argentinians sunk a British container ship that was being used as a supply ship and helicopter carrier for Chinooks.
>>27791575
>Britian only won because they were slightly less incompetent than the Argies
And had a better trained military with better equipment (excluding CIWS and anti-air systems for warships).
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Can the Argies please make sure to sail over the Belgrano on the way over? Would be nice to keep all the sunken scrap metal in one place, pollution-wise
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This kills the britbong
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Even worse than the Ukranian Navy pre 2014:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Argentine_Navy_ships
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>>27791595
>It's a big base
For you
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>>27791595
>big base
for you
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>>27791442
is this bait?
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>>27791593
It's been several archives since that thread.
I don't think Heinessen was even up back then.
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>>27791576
More than likely where he got the idea from
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Vmf3u0D1A
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>>27791555
atlantic conveyor. Google that shit bro
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>Wait until all UK's men grew a beard and all their daughters marry a bearded men
>Wait until they blow up themselves
>Drop 99999 pigs in the islands
>Wait until it is considered a haram land
>Offer the citizens of Malvinas citizenship instead of following islam
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>>27791426
Says the guy who can't use a fucking comma correctly.
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>>27791313
You fucking WUT brah?

I have relatives that died taking that shithole

Leave now and never return
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>>27791620

didn't the hohols have Backfires until a few years ago? a single squadron of Backfires with Kh-22s is more naval striking power than the argies have had or ever will possess desu
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>>27791313
fucking argentinians
you know what everyone loves? south american road trip programs
you know where none of them EVER go? argentina.
p.s. i'm looking forward to all the oil we're going to get from OUR islands
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>>27791498
That's 4 Skyhawks against 4 Typhoons. Pucaras can't reach the islands and have no air-to-air.
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>>27791397
>h
Lol 'free' American
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The Falklands holds about 3000 people. What do you guys recon is the the maximum population it can hold? Possible safe space for brits in case of an invasion or something of britain.
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>>27791313
Well you could go back in time and not be a bunch of useless, moronic, ill disciplined, surrender-monkeys...
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>>27791813
>Possible safe space for brits in case of an invasion or something of britain.

Your grasp of geography must be tenuous.
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>>27791641
not bad...
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>>27791779
Nah, the plan backfired.
And it was Su-24s.
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>>27791522
Brits don't use Stingers. SAS had a couple back in the 80s but regular forces used Blowpipe.

Brits use something called Starstreak these days, and their Rapier system is being replaces by a sort of ground-based, vertical-launch version of AIM-132 ASRAAM
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>>27791902

SAS had the Stingers a lot longer than that. Last confirmed sighting was in 1991 during the Gulf War.

It's highly likely they have a few lying around for UKSF ops, but not for regular forces at all, no.

The British Army as it is, uses Starstreak (as you mentioned) in both Tri-mount and MANPAD versions.

Here's a pic of the rarely seen MANPAD version, or at least a training tube anyway.
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>>27791914
>Velocity of 1.631km/s

Jesus Christ
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>>27791963

Popular saying in the Royal Artillery:

'Starstreak doesn't fire, it just fucks off.'
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>>27791914
Article about Starstreak gunnery training:
https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/11825

Thales are updating the mounted version so it can be used with the Martlet missile against ground vehicles too.

http://www.janes.com/article/54273/dsei-2015-thales-unveils-next-generation-lightweight-multiple-launcher

I think Malaysia and Thailand have already bought in to it
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>>27792028
>Fit three Martlets on a single Hellfire rail

Holy shit Apaches are going to be missile massacre machines
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>>27792028
>https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/11825
Well worth a read.
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>>27792070
The US already figured out how to mount AIM-9X onto the Apache.

The rape is now.
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>>27791914
Huh. Pretty cool.


Ya dun gud Bongs.
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>>27791407

Heh, the last time I heard about the Santa-cruz class was about the fact that they only had *six* hours worth of sea time for a whole year because of budget constraints.

And that was 3-4 years ago.
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>>27791963

>Hey look, there's enemy helo comming, where is Harry with a starstre?... Ah, here you are, mate, could you kill thi...
>Woosh, KABOOM!
>By Jove! what happened?!
>You blinked.
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>>27791313
>take back
>back
The Falklands have been British for more than a century. Argentina has no claim to them.
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>>27791313
It's too bad America didn't help fuck with Argentina as well, it could've been a good bonding experience with the UK
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The brits get so defensive over those islands. Just bring up the falklands and they get into a more butthurt nationalist frenzy than when the americans do when someone says they lost vietnam.

I think it's a hold over reaction from when they still had an empire.
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>>27792269

Butthurt Argie detected
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>>27792269
Meanwhile, the Argies stone people who reference it.
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>>27792269
>The brits get so defensive over those islands.

That's typically what you do to prevent an invasion.
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>>27792300
> Implying the brits haven't already lost literally dozens of other islands. The british government only gives a shit because that part of the ocean has oil reserves.
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>>27792314
Nowhere that was invaded and abandoned, so no you're not correct there.
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>>27792314

>implying that oil is not a main reason why argies are so analy devastaded when someone mention Falklands
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>>27791425
Call Putin. This might just
interest him.
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>>27792269
Its the Argies that are obsessed, just look at their money.
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>>27792451
>memorializing a war you lost on your money
Argies confirmed for actual keks
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So is there any actual value to those islands, or is this just national cock waving over trivial lands?
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>>27791313
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>>27791313
>>27791313
I don't think you comprehend this so let me spell this out.

W E C A N N U K E Y O U I F W E W A N T T O

In fact we almost did last time you tried.
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The only chance Argentina got is to flood the Falklands with immigrants and then have them vote.
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>Talking to Normie friend
>We somehow come to the topic of the Falklands
>He suddenly gets really aggressive and says that the Falkalnds are proof that the UK is an evil empire who makes people stay in their country
>mfw
Do normies end up defending Argentina because they were the underdog against the 'Big bad''?
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>>27792501
Not even close to "almost"
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>>27792481
Oil reserves.
Unless you count sheep, mines and penguins as a value.
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>>27792511
>why yes, let me just hand over some of my citizens to a dictatorship that throws its opponents out of planes.

There are a lot of really limited thinkers out there.
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>>27792517
That still doesn't mean we can't glass the place if you try it
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>>27792481
At the time it was cockwaving but oil was discovered there not too recently.
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>>27792534
All the citizens living there want to stay British because they want all of those goverment functions (And national pride).
If they become argies they'd become all poor and i assure you the penguins would be all killed in a month.
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>>27792537
And? Not relevant to what I just said.
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>>27792528
I like penguin
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>>27792517
"Margaret Thatcher forced François Mitterrand to give her the codes to disable Argentina's deadly French-made missiles during the Falklands war by threatening to launch a nuclear warhead against Buenos Aires"
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>>27791313
Get the J-10 fighter.

It's a piece of shit but it's better than the nothing you'd have otherwise.

Get your engineers to reverse engineer the fucker and test the shit out of the ones you have,

Fond out every single one of its faults.

From the grade of steel and aluminium used to the thrust of the engines.

Improve on those faults

Get a good design out of those improvements.

Approach Venezuela, Chile and Brazil to produce a Joint Fighter.

Beg, borrow and steal any radar or weapon systems you have to and start making your own weaponry

In 30 years you might be able to challenge the Brits again.
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>>27791407
I'm sure it'll do as well as the Santa Fe did last time.
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>>27792557
Someone needs to ressurect the iron Lady. England is in dire need of her.
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>>27792555
Look at these smug bastards, with their light body mass...
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>>27791313

You throw rocks at anyone driving a car with the license plate H982FKL.
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>>27792557
Which given that it's not even physically possible isn't true in the slightest.
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Theres probably dinos on that island. They can keep it.
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>>27791641
God damn, we're going to see Los Islas Malvinas in the near future. Possibly a decade from now.
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>>27792574
Good old Jeremy
I'm gonna most those guys
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>>27792588
I heard they are starting a new show
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>>27792588
Miss*
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>>27792580
Memes aside those islands have the strictest immigration in the world precisely to stop such tricks.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/sep/13/falkland-islands-census-british-identity
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Do argentinians attack brits over the Falklands nowadays?
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>>27791313
Cultural upheaval Anonigo. Fuck those British serfs until they are as white as the Argentinian snow.
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>>27792572

Have you ever experienced a smell that these little shitdispenser produce? You can rest assured that in such a case stepping on a landmine to escape it seems to be a fucking good idea.
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>>27792609
Yes
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>>27792609
Top Gear Series 22 Episode 2
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>>27792612
Shitskin Argy go home and masturbate to your interracial porn
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>>27792566

>Brazil to produce a Joint Fighter.

No thanks.
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>>27792629
That was all a set up dummy.
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>>27792642
Then why is the argie government trying to expedite them for trial?
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>>27792632
I wonder how big Falklands themed porn is in Argentina

>Oh, you magnificent specimen of a Brit. Give me the Black Buck.
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>>27792642
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2780355/They-100-wanted-kill--Im-sure-state-organised-Shaken-Clarkson-tells-terrifying-moment-Top-Gear-crew-surrounded-crowd-rock-throwing-Argentinian-thugs.html
Nope
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>>27792642
No it wasn't.

Argies are just that butthurt.
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>>27792651
>>27792663
>>27792672
I was convinced otherwise.
But Jeremy punching the guy WAS set up.
He wanted tog et out of BBC deal
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>>27792639
it's always better to produce your own than to buy something from someone else. You reinforce your industrial sector, gain experience for your engineers and manufacturers and your particular needs are met rather than the general needs the foreign manufacturer tries to meet.

You can disagree with me, but you're still just a meme spewing idiot.
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>>27792657
At first I'd say no, but thinking about it I always get a ton of hits for indian-pakistan stuff when I search for Indian chicks so maybe it's big over there
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>>27792682
Did he say that?
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>>27792682
>But Jeremy punching the guy WAS set up.

No, it wasn't. Christ you've just found out you were wrong.
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>>27792693

Why. Why wold we wan to produce something with countries which has noe xpérience at all with it?

That's why here we produce our own equipment, because our neighbors know shit.

Plus we acquire a certain independence.

And yes, we sent tons of engineers to Sweden and met their generals. Plus the deal was way more than just the Gripens being built here.

>but you're still just a meme spewing idiot.

no u
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>>27792693
I thought the idea behind the Gripen deal was just that, except the first batch, they'll produce them almost entirely in Brazil so that they get the industry and know how on producing fighter jets.
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>>27792702
Well, you know what they say. Through dick, unity.
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>>27792711
>>27792713
I know it sounds dumb, something a 8 year old would to sound cool, but i actually know a guy who works extremelly close to Jeremy Clarkson.
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>>27792714
>we produce gripens n shit

Oh Brazil, you fucking niggers.
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>>27792734
>my dad works for Nintendo
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>>27792750

What's the problem with it?

We just want to produce something good with competent people.
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>>27792714
Because you didn't design it, you didn't tool the machines to produce the parts, you didn't find faults and improve on them, you didn't do testing, development and modification of systems.

You're just copying.

You don't have experience in manufacturing fighters. Brazil, or to be more precise, Embraer, has experience in producing aircraft and your industrial sector is pathetic. It would be nice if you faggots got your shit together and produced a domestic fighter.

> Why wold we wan to produce something with countries which has noe xpérience at all with it?
>F-35 must be shit amirite guys?

So you don't pay for everything you mouth breathing retard.
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>>27792768
>We just want to produce something good
Then why did you get the Grippen you fucking faggot?
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>>27792596
its going to be on Amazon Prime. Filming has already begun.
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>>27791313
Better get it done before the QE and PoW come online.
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>>27792794
Stop trying to stir up shit, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Gripen.
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>>27792843
Well, it's a tad on the expensive side.

Knock ten mil off the price and it would be fantastic.
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>>27792870
Its a ton of capability for that price. You can't even into F-16 block 60/61 for that, and theres less political bullshit. If you needed a Gen 4.5 on a budget, it's the shit. I say this as a huge F-35 fan and general american aviation dicklicker.
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>>27792964
I still think Saab should have supplemented the Gripen with a super cheap, super barebones fighter geared towards tinpot dictators. Think F-5 and MiG-21 levels of cheap

But I'm biased because I have a boner for light fighters.
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>>27792994
Grippen IS F-5/MiG-21 levels of cheap for a modern light fighter.

Go look at airframe price increases for each successive generation. Anyone got that research I did a few months ago that's been making the rounds as a copy pasta, about percent price increase per airframe with each successive generation?
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>>27792786
The last effort to make a fighter by Embraer was the AMX-T in 1986. It was the trainer version of the AMX. Embraer then did nothing on the subject of fighters till 2007 when it did a modernization project on the AMX. The issue is that it is long periods of time will cause the know how to be lost because engineers are human and retire. Hard data and working designs are useful, but if you want to make something new a engineer with working experience on the subject is the most important thing to have. Simply put Brazil does not give Embraer the needed amount of contracts on that area for them to keep up. Also the one fighter they made was not so great as to get foreign orders, or even follow up order for the two counties that jointly worked on the AMX.

>So you don't pay for everything you mouth breathing retard.

If you are only going to make a small amount of fighter you are generally far better off buying a production license then making you're own design. Why? Because RD costs on current gen fighters is huge, easily into the tens of billions of dollars. If you are only planning to make say 100 aircraft then the there is no point to make that investment.
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>how do we take back islas malvinas from the britain?

Wars tend to be expensive, so step one is to unfuck your economy.

Step two is irrelevant, because you're not going to get past step one.
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>>27792534
Did they shoot them in the head before doing so?
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>>27794059
Why would you shoot someone if the fall is going to kill them?
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>>27791623
>>27791624
banemind
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>>27794119
Perhaps a big goy is wondering that also
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>>27792511
lefties are not normies
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>>27791435
>Belgrano's Revenge
That can't be fucking real
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>>27791498
I'm sure they've given them enough missiles to rape the Argentinean airforce.
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>>27791313
How can't a country with the size of the Messis take a fucking island located a few hundred miles from their shore against a country that need to cross an intire ocean? You white friends need to get your shit together
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>>27798895
That guy forgot to mention the argies also have another 53 trainers that can be fitted with missiles

That brings their total armed aircraft pop to 106

Typhoons have 13 hardpoints and even with all 4 aircraft going full A2A they'll only have 52 missiles
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>>27798978
Only 23 of those trainers can be armed with A2A weapons.
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>>27798978

you seen to be clinging to the idea that the IA 58 is actually useful for anything

they can't fit any AA missiles or ARMs what are they going do against Typhoons or an airbase with proper air defence? strafe them with 7.62 mm machine guns and iron bombs like it is 1942?

not to mention if Britain thought the Argentines planned to invade the RAF could just ferry an entire squadron of Typhoons via Ascension Island to reinforce Mount Pleasant
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Try the bull horn formation again.
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>>27799158
You'd have to be retarded to entertain the idea that turboprop trainers could ever fight Eurofighter Typhoons.

The realistic approach would be to fly the trainers forward as decoys and have the Typhoons waste their ordnance and fuel on them. This would then give the A-4s a better chance to attack the depleted Typhoons that would be returning to base to rearm. They could then be attacked on the ground where they're helpless
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>>27799294
Have you ever heard of QRA? They always keep aircraft in reserve.
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>>27791466
Except those few fighters are Typhoons. Enough to take down your entire military twice.
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>>27791466
Welp, confirmed for not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. Around 3000-5000 troops are rotated there at any one time, and there are now SAM installations and a navy battlegroup guarding the island 24/7. Oh and those troops, a large chuck are RM commandos
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>>27799717
>3000-5000 troops
Fucking please, the maximum amount of personnel (including troops) was 1,350 in 2012. It's unlikely they've quadrupled that number in the 3 years since 2012
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>>27799294

Oh yeah good luck getting those decoy pilots to fly to their certain death. They'd definitely keep flying after seeing their buddies massacred mid-air by an aircraft they can't fight back against.

I'm sure they'd be also aware that *even* the argies aren't stupid enough to think they could take on the airbase with only trainer aircraft.
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>>27792511

Dude, when the Falklands War broke out you had revolutionary socialists who openly supported Argentina, or gave a weaselly insincere mealy-mouthed "we abhor violence so we should just leave the Argentinans to be immoral". Bear in mind that Argentina in the 1980s was an American-supported military dictatorship that had killed over 12,000 left-wing activists. This was simply because they couldn't bear to say that Thatcher was right on one count.

Don't expect logic or consistency from liberals.
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>>27791400
I am impressed that they made a song out of it.
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>>27791313

Given the state of the Argentine military it's safe to say that it's physically impossible for the Falklands to be conquered, barring some cowadoody scenario where all of South America unites together to create a co-funded military superpower.

Argentina's best hope for recpaturing the Falklands is political. Keep banging the 'decolonisation' drum, that always goes down well amongst the tinpot republics in the UN and that certain breed of Yank who can't think about "Britain" without foaming at the mouth about Washington crossing the Delaware. They should also hope that the Conservative government in the UK screws up badly enough to let Jeremy Corbyn - an actual honest-to-goodness unreconstructed militant socialist - get elected on 2020. Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow cabinet have gone on record praising Hezbollah and the IRA and advocating the murder of opposition politicians, I imagine that "returning" the Falklands would give him a great big commie stiffy.
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>>27791361
>land that is the property of argentina
HAHAHAHAHA!

seriously, get real, stop embarassing yourselves
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>>27791792
>all the oil we're going to get from OUR islands
that oil is so low quality it isn't worth taking off the cold ground, at least not for the next centuries.
Argies are demanding ZEE fishing rights over the islands.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU LEAVE YOUR DEFEATED ENEMY ALIVE, BRITAIN! NEXT TIME FINISH THE JOB! ARE YOU FUCKING AMERICANS?
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>>27791550

I got that reference. Shame the game is pretty much dead, I poured tons of hours into it.
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>>27791397
We supported Argentina before
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>>27799826
>all of South America unites
i'm from Brazil, and we took a lot of shit from our government thru the years, but I would flip and go all insurgent if any president of ours ever, and I mean ever and under any circumstance, ordered our troops to fight GB for Argentina to have their little goat-fucking island resort.
No, we are neighbors, but we are not your friends, we hate you, you bunch of deluded faggots, don't try to put us on that shit, we wont take that!
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>>27800366
Of course you did, America.
you even supported Bin Laden back in the eighties, everyone knows you make excellent international politic choices
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>>27800412
Another BR here.
I don't hate Argentina or another SA country.
I wouldn't fight for them because I don't want to kill and die for this shit leftist government who gives nothing and take everything.
If I get drafted to fight some bullshit war, I'll
complete the training and kill some politicians.
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>>27800462
>I don't hate Argentina or another SA country
sigh, you are one of those white rich, liberal kids.
I bet you wear a CBF shirt to protest against corruption.
coxinha
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>>27800495
>BR
>White
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>>27800509
we have a very open "white" concept... it should be really brown... I mean, most white people are just light colored pardos... but you know how people are.
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>>27792451
That is insane!
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>>27800564
their money isn't worth the paper its printed on, so is not really a big deal
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>>27800596
Just remember, Argentina was one of the wealthiest countries in the world before the socialists took over.

Consider this a Public Service Announcement for all the Bernie '16ers.
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>>27800692
>Argentina was one of the wealthiest countries in the world
that was almost two centuries ago, stop being delusional.
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>>27791313
argiefag here.
nice b8. i r8 8/8 m8.

(even Perón wanted the islands... but peacefully)
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>>27791555
because the argentinian air force launched an attack aiming for the navy.
The atlantic conveyor haven´t any ECM and then, BOOM.
sorta
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>>27792223
>implying there was not a massive rearming by murrica to UK
nigga, are you serious?
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>>27800709
1910s are not almost two centuries ago dipshit. Socialists confirmed for not even able to use numbers.

In 1913 Argentina was the worlds 10th richest nation. They got fucked by military governments and then socialists that modeled their economy after the soviet union.
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>>27800412
BR HUE, pls...
you can´t fight against narcos, and wanna fight a war?
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>>27800462
>not hating on argentina
>supporting pansy "good neighbor" foreign policy
>not going full imperial

Bitch please, we really need to slap some big hue dick all over SA to remind them who's boss
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>>27801125
Amerifat pls, you know leftists get all butthurt when you fuck dindus shit up, our hands are tied
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>>27791662
Not him but that was an independent clause. He used it properly.
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>>27791397

Except the Yanks pretty much told the Brits to hand over the islands and not make too big a deal out if it.
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>>27801392
Thats becuease nobody thought the bongs could win and they would just lose lots of men and embarrass themselves. Also America has horribly short sighted foreign policy.
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>>27799812

And now we've got Corbyn harping around.

It perpetually enrages me how these liberal types like him pretend to be so high and mighty and "more caring" and better evolved and thoughtful and philosophical than everyone else...while openly and knowingly endorsing horrors to occur because they are so entrenched in it.

It galls me to the fucking core that such people exist.
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>>27801125
uh, the point is NOT wanting to fight for Argentina.
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>>27801301
would be nice to annex a couple neighboring countries.
going into Bolivia and taking our refinery back.
flooding Argentina, taking over Uruguay coast...
but Muric a would make a fuss over it and our military is a fat whore that can't get on his own feet.
maybe if we spent more of our military budget with weapon development than with military regime pensions...
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>>27801392
The situation in 2015 is kind of different from the situation in 1982.

For one thing, we liked Videla a lot more than we liked Kirchner.
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>>27801392
yeah, about that, when will US return Texas to Mexico?
also I'm pretty sure Putin want his Alaska back
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>>27791963
> When the missile is a safe distance from the operator, the second stage fires, which rapidly accelerates the missile to burn out velocity of more than Mach 4 four hundred meters away from the operator
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>>27802655
>rapidly accelerates the missile to burn out velocity of more than Mach 4 four hundred

COMMAS
O
M
M
A
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>>27802655
I know its already been said but I believe it requires reenforcement.
Jesus Christ.
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>>27802721
well, you know what they say about wikipedia being an academic source...
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>>27791313
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>>27792566
>then give it 30 years

Nigga, in 30 years it's likely that we'll have destroyer mounted rail guns or even directed energy weapons. How the fuck do you propose that a "joint fighter" between the Latin American countries will do anything other than to serve as target calibration for these weapon systems?
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>>27791313
I showed this to a friend who has actually spent time on the Falklands and first his answer was to laugh so hard that he had to hold his nuts, once he stopped laughing he informed me that the forces and equipment now stored on the islands would make it a very tricky job for any military force outside of one of the major powers, also it would play right into the hands of whoever was prime minister at the time because it almost guarantees they will get re-elected at the next elections, so it is 100% worth them going to war over, so now you have the military might backed by the political will and although the UK military is small it out punches the Argentine military be a long way.

tl;dr = you don't get them back, not without a huge loss of life ans maybe not even then.
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>>27791313
Fuck Off
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>>27791460

I remember reading something that there is 3 Troops for every British Citizen that lives there.
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>>27792217
What an afternoon that would have been!
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>>27803162

More 2:1 civilians to military. There's about 1,500-1,800 soldiers and 2,500-3,000 civilians.
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>>27802574

Hopefully after Maduro turns Venezuela into even more of an incompentent economic disaster he tries to pull a Las Malvinas to shore up domestic support and invades Essequibo in Guyana. The UK intervenes to defend a Commonwealth member, we have a turkey shoot of the shower of amateurs pictured, and maybe even get a new Sovereign Base Area out of it to watch the border and a bit of oil as a sweetener.
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>>27791400
>bombing HMS Invincible, which totally happened and is not made up at all
they actually believe that shite as well
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>>27803374

During the war the HMS Invincible was reported as sunk in Argentine newspapers about 3 or 4 times.
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>>27791313
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>>27803381
Jesus, that's Japan v enterprise tier
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>>27803374
>>27803381
>>27803426
Yeah it was the name "Invincible", it mind raped them.
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>>27803318

The new Gutemalan president has been sabre-rattling about Belize as well - and that's not only a Commonwealth member but a Commonwealth Realm which still has the Queen as Head of State too. I'm sure that Cameron would be absolutely up for war on Guatemala, even if only so Lord Ashcroft can be the tragic accidental victim of a friendly-fire incident.
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>>27792557
that didn't happen
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>>27791576
Don't forget that his master plan for getting the container ship near a Falklands beachhead was to broadcast a distress signal in Spanish saying "Something's wrong, we need to reach land". Then change course, head straight to the islands and accelerate until it reached the shallows.

Flawless plan.
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>>27803564
>big fucking container ship rushes towards shallows around the islands
>hits a reef
>splits open and lists
>less Costa Concordia, more Costa Mongoloidia
>RN rescues 1000s of Argentine soldiers and sends them back with a smug pepe printout
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>>27791313
A carrier group. Return rightful US clay
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Question, why did the British suffered so many casualties, and lost so much equipment, fighting a shit nation like Argentina.
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>>27803700

Because the Falklands War was really the first naval war to be fought with modern missiles and a lot of stuff still needed to be worked out.
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>>27803700
>attack an enemy 8000 miles away in fortified lines outnumbered 2:1, win with a 3:1 casualty ratio
>HURR Y DID U GET UR ASSES KICKED
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>>27803747
>Attacking a third world shitter
>losing multimillion dollar poon ships
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>>27803756
>Not firing first because you don't want to initiate and escalate.
>Mass casualties because of
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>>27803756
>Attacking a third world shitter
the technology gap wasn't really very big, submarines were the only clear British advantage technologically. It was also the first time a lot of the anti missile defence systems were used in anger, it's not exactly surprising there were flaws in execution.
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>>27803700
Came down to operational necessity and some basic failures in the command & control process.

For example the Sheffield was lost entirely to the latter reason. They didn't acknowledge the call out that there were enemy planes in the area. They didn't acknowledge the call out that missile launch had been detected. And they didn't trust their own screens when they detected the missiles, and so didn't launch chaff. Luckily the Exocet didn't actually work otherwise many more people would have died. It was very unfortunate that the fire went out of control.
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>>27803792
Poor damage control procedures as well. After the war huge changes were made in damage control doctrine across NATO IIRC
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>>27792481
the value is 3000 people who consider themselves british. that tends to generate emotion.

you also have sheep, penguins and oil.
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>>27803983
correct me if I'm wrong but if Argentina invaded, wouldn't that invoke NATOs article 5?
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>>27804047
Britain didn't want to invoke it so that they could look strong
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>tfw New Zealand was the only country to give it's full support to the UK from the beginning
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>>27791313
Shitpost on le 4chins until the British get tired of your bullshit and give the islands to you so you'll shut up for like 5 seconds
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It's incredibly depressing that just four years after saving 2,000 Falklanders from oppression under a fascist dictatorship, Margaret Thatcher condemned over 3,000,000 Hong Kongers to oppression under a communist dictatorship. All just so Britain could have its own domestic industry undercut by cheap chintzy knock-off sweatshop tat.

Thatcher did three good things - Falklands War, EU Rebate, and standing up to the unions. All very important, valuable things, don't get me wrong, but she also had three absolute monumental fuckups - letting Mugabe take control of Zimbabwe, the Poll Tax, and folding like a pack of cards over Hong Kong.
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>>27804047
They bongs could but they wouldn't need to. Lets not forget that even if Argentina took all of England's Atlantic holdings and then invaded Britannia itself (They can't) Bongs still have nukes. There is no way Argentina will be able to mount a threat requiring article 5 in the next 100 years.
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>>27804091
>Poll Tax
wut
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>>27804097

It's the pejorative name for the Community Charge, a flat-rate tax that provoked riots (Scottish Nationalists in particular still use it as an example of English perfidity to this day and the Tory vote in Scotland still hasn't recovered 25 years later) and directly led to Thatcher losing power.
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>>27804091
What could the Brits have done, realistically? Hong Kong doesn't seem to be easily defensible.
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>>27804123
So I just read the wiki article, why did they think this was a good idea?
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>>27804133
According to the campaign I played in Wargame: Red Dragon, Hong Kong could be defended easily enough with some gurkas and a carrier group
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>>27804158
Kek, that's exactly what I was thinking. Still though, I don't know much about Hong Kong's defenses aside from that and WW2.
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>>27804133

The UK would have said that its treaty was signed with Imperial China not Red China, and so it was under no obligation to hand back the New Territories after the lease expired. Even if it was, the principle of self-determination as enshrined in the UN charter should have trumped over everything.

China wouldn't have gone to war over Hong Kong - they'd have rattled their sabres sure but they valued the trade passing through it too much to want to make anything too much out of it. They bluffed and Thatcher blinked.
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>>27804177
Thatcher and Reagan are both overrated. They are remembered as being so good becuease the soviet union fell shortly after they left power. A process that started in 1918.
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>>27804177
That doesn't sound too far-fetched, but I don't know. Thinking the Chinese were just bluffing didn't exactly go over well for MacArthur.
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>>27791361
Take it by force and hold it, and then you can call it whatever you want.

Until you do Argentina will never be white.

Just wait 20 more years when Britain falls to sharia
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* RAF LAUGHTER INTENSIFIES *
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>>27804150

It's widely believed that Michael Heseltine, a member of the government who was its big advocate, was well aware that it was political suicide but advocated it precisely for that reason - he deliberately precipitated a crisis that would get Thatcher kicked out and let him become the new Prime Minister. Unfortunately for him he lost the Conservative leadership election, so his grand coup fell apart and he poisoned his party's reputation which it still hasn't recovered from over a generation later.
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Wasn't Argentina the most advanced military in South America at the time? I mean they had a carrier, modern jet aircraft, submarines, guided missile boats, Roland batteries, pretty much the same things the UK had with the difference in quality of the submarines and carriers maybe.
How the fuck could they fuck it up so badly?
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>>27791313
you don't
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> HMS Sheffield was sunk by a Exojet missile.

THANKS, FRANCE.
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>>27804335

It wasn't really the missile that sunk the ship in such a regard. HMS Sheffield survived the missile strike, and would have been recoverable.

Just unfortunately, the South Atlantic is the very definition of "buttfuck no-where" and when a major storm hit, it was quickly realised the damaged ship had no-where safe to go to that it wouldn't be filled with water through the hole.

The missile took her out of the fight. It was the storm that sunk her.
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>>27804364
They were going to scrap it anyways. It was a total loss after the fire, not worth rebuilding.
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The real question is why didn't the U.K push into Argentina and have a big chunk of property in South America?
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>>27804390
There is a difference between being a defender and invader.

Also Monroe doctrine because the US are wankers.
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>>27804390

Because after conquering half a continent through Manifest Destiny and setting up client states all across the Pacific and Central and South America the USA decided that it didn't like any other country having territory and decided to tell us that imperialism was a bad, bad thing. The hypocrisy is total of course but you'll never get an American to think about what "sea to shining sea" really means.
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>>27791313
>You don't
>You can't
>You shouldn't
>You won't
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>>27792451
Daily reminder to Argies not to touch other people's stuff.
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>>27804416
>>27804416
Hey you yuros got the rest of the world, don't be mad at us just because you threw it all away.
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>>27804335
>Exojet
>jet
ok
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I heard British soldiers ditched their L1A1s for Argie FALs
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>>27804744
Utter bullshit.
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>>27792511
The Irish would like a word with you mr nationalist
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>>27791615
would the exocet still wreck a modern military?
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>>27792511
Did your friend miss the referendum last year, when 99% of the Falkland islanders voted to remain British?
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>>27792639
I would like to see how it performs in combat
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>>27803318
they already surrendered?
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>>27791313
bait
butt you so fucking butthurt
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>>27802636
Hey, now, we left because Santa Anna tore up the Constitution and declared himself dictator. Half of northern Mexico did, too; they just got curb-stomped (we did too, until the miracle at San Jacinto). The US doesn't *get* to toss us around like a party favor.
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>>27804416
The Monroe doctrine was prior to US Imperialism you daft cunt. It was basically telling the Europeans to fuck out of the New World because freedom and liberty for all.

US Imperialism didn't become a thing until 50 years after that.
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>>27791442
AFAIK the argie submarine sunk during the war was destroyed by machine gun fire,the argies are not competent enough to submerge their subs you dont need all that.
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>>27792693
>always better to produce your own

until your the poor sob pilot having to go up against fucking typhoons or f22s or even mig29s kek
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>>27804844
Ireland is a perfect example of what might have happened to the Colonies if they hadn't rebelled over taxes.
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>>27791637
That's not the reference.
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>>27799200
Kek
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>>27804091

She actually fought pretty hard over HK IIRC.
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>>27803621
>>less Costa Concordia, more Costa Mongoloidia
ahh

Thanks for the top kek m8
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>>27805063
What- Unemployed, Uneducated people led by progressively worse leaders? The only colony that works is New Zealand.
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>>27806798
I'm referring to the Famine.
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>>27804744
Brit would take argie boots as war trophies but not their rifles.
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>>27791313
wait until the UK has an economic crisis then offer to buy it and pay for the repatriation of british subjects
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>>27799697
This isn't a video game, they only have x amount of munitions
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>>27791361
Lol, you lot crack me up.
Last time you got your balls fed to you through your rectum.
But if you want more, go ahead. I reckon the paras and marines would LOVE the opportunity to smash you again. Gives them more stories to tell.
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>>27804964
Lambs.
no wonder Texas is world's BBQ capital.
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>>27791313
Complain to British parliament about how maintaining islands far away is racist, they'll hand them over immediately.
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I wish the argies would try so we can get awesome live leak footage of the British curb stomping them.
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>>27809975

This would be an awesome picture if some weaboo faggot hadn't shopped in that stupid cartoon.
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>>27809990
Sorry it offends your tastes mate
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>>27792314
>Britain is so mean!
>Why won't they let us have it?
>All the other countries are getting them!


Enjoy continuing to be a third world country.
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>>27792070
>Fit three Martlets on a single Hellfire rail
>Holy shit Apaches are going to be missile massacre machines

Look into APKWS instead. You take an unguided Hydra 70 rocks, slap on a new section near the head & boom, it's guided.

Theoretically, you can mount 4 of them where a single hellfire used to be and keep the hellfire rack. Or just use the old Hydra launchers, which means 19 rockets in the spot of where 4 hellfires used to be.

Cheap as shit and great for on UAVs.
No need to waste expensive Hellfires to blow up towelheads or technicals.
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>>27810137

You screw in the guidance & fin section onto the rocket & then reattach the warhead. Simple as fuck.
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>>27810146

It would make Reapers & Predators a cheaper to use and allow them to hit more when fighting unarmored foes.

Standard 70mm rocket pod sizes are 4, 7, 12 and 19.
(doesn't need to be a hydra btw, they're going to be made for most common 70mm rocket variants)

Since the warheads already exist, you have access to a wide variety of ammo that doesn't need to be invented or added to the system later. You get standard HE, HEAT, HEDP, MPSM clustermunition, WP, RP, flechette, ballbearing, CS, etc. And you can reuse your old stock if you have a lot of it left.
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>>27804047
Article 5 doesn't concern overseas territories unless it's something like the Azores. Certainly not outside the north Atlantic.
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>>27791313

Surprise attack on island's only runway, laugh as they don't have any aircraft carriers any more.
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>>27807496
>wait until the UK has an economic crisis then offer to buy it and pay for the repatriation of british subjects

You kidding? Argentina is so poor they had a Naval ship impounded by fucking Ghana for refusing to pay debts.
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>>27791435
>Belgranos revenge
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>>27801333
No, he didn't. Joining two independent clauses with a comma but no coordinating conjunction makes it a comma splice.
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>infiltrate 30,000 sheep with explosives hidden inside them by cargo ship
>Have special forces hide inside garrison commanders umbrella stand
>As invasion fleet closes in special forces cut perimiter wire letting sheep into Mount Pleasant airbase
>On pre arranged signal detonate sheep wiping out the garrison
We call it operation Baa baa boom sheep
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Deal with not having the Falklands. You aren't getting them back.
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>>27810351
>Surprise attack on island's only runway

With what, exactly?
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>>27810452
>Naval ship impounded by fucking Ghana
You know you are in the shit when they are bossing you around.
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>>27810685
Suicide penguins
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>>27811046

Penguins are loyal to Britain, though. They guard the minefields.
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>>27804744

...an L1A1 is a already a FAL.
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>>27805044

Cool, I'll let the Navajo and Lakota know what a wonderful thing freedom & liberty for all is.
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>>27811448
>FA vs Semi
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>>27810351

the Falklands has two full airports, one an air force base, and dozens of locations suitable for light airstrips.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_Falkland_Islands
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>>27804744
They did it for the full retard. I know some paras dropped sterlings for full retard fals so I don't see why others wouldn't since they are basically the same gun.
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>>27792451
dude, If I had known the args liked to be keked like that Id have been down there busting loads in all their daughters and wives 10 fucking years ago...
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>>27810685

White people.
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>>27811288
That's what the argies want Britain to think, but secretly the penguins arte digging up the landmines and converting them into suicide bob ombs
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>>27792511
>study in London for a week
>the Brittish map includes some overseas territories like Gibraltar and the islands
>fellow Argie is an obnoxious ultrapatriotic goverment-dick-sucking piece of shit, is in a different class
>professor who is really nice guy
>hear this kid started what could be called a real life /v/ flamewar
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>>27803769
>>27803756
>>27803792

Not even a case of SOP limiting the brits or systems malfunctions - the Sheffeild's on duty RWO/countermeasure officer wasn't on deck like he was supposed to be and was later (in the public enquiry that had to set up to get around the RN's stonewalling on the issue) found to have been having a quick wank in the toilets when the attack happened, so the ship didn't release its chaff countermeasures.
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>>27791313
Shhh.. The falklands are the only remotely impressive thing the brits have done since WW2.. just let them have this one.
t.america
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>>27811523

The Argentine government even has a Secretary For Las Malvinas, a completely vacuous government non-job if there ever was one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/argentines-falklands-minister-there-is-absolutely-no-chance-of-another-invasion-9821944.html
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>>27811744
>UK you don't need a base or garrison on rightful Argen.... UK clay
>UK YOU CAN LEAVE WE WONT INVADE
>UK plz
>you can leave now UK
>We won't invade
>UK plz
>UK plz
>UK PLZ
>plz leave?

What a fun job.
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On a more serious note, which countries today (other than USA and UK) have a capability to recapture Falklands from the Argies assuming they were successful in taking it over and were at their 1982 military strengths?
You can assume they would be geographically located where the UK is and had overseas assets available to the UK at the time (Ascension etc).

I presume Russians and frogs would have a decent shot. Any others?
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France and Russia are the only ones. Maybe Chinese if they sacrifice their entire merchant fleet to carry troops and die to ancient ASMs.
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>>27791593

desustorage.org

don't you dumb faggots use 4chan X
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>>27812531

4chan x?
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>>27811672
What a fucking wanker!

>The Russians have just launched their nukes Mr. President!
>Here are the nuclear launch codes
>Sir! You need to act immediately!
>Hm, I need a minute to jerk off first.

WTF!
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