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Does anyone have knowledge of secret clearance background checks? Will they know about all the fucked up porn and racist shit i post on 4chan?
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>>25652845
Are you talking about US SECRET-level clearances, or clearances in general?

They usually don't get into the "fucked up porn and 4chan" neighborhood unless you are going for TOP SECRET with SSBI
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Not OP but say I go into the military and make it through to special forces, do they look into it then? Or is it more if you're going into like FBI CIA or SS
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>>25652845
They've already seen it but it shouldn't be too much of a problem. They just put it in your file to use against you if you complain.
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>>25652901
For anything SOF, you will almost certainly need TOP SECRET just to even "make the cut".

Typically you will not have to talk about fucked up porn or 4chan unless you take a polygraph and a psychological evaluation. For porn, they really don't care unless you are into beastiality, CP, etc. For 4chan, they don't really care unless it relates to fucked up porn.
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>>25652884
SSBI whats that?
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You should most certainly tell them, if you're going for a TOP SECRET clearance. They don't care if you're in to fucke
d up shit, it won't hurt you. What will hurt you is stuff that you keep concealed and could be used to blackmail you.

>Debt
>Affairs
>CP
>Illegal things on the internet
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>>25652952

im not allowed to tell you, clearnaces and all
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>>25652940
....shit.

Is rule 34 and /ss/ defined as fucked up porn?
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>>25652963
I guarantee you they have seen worse than you
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I got secret and I spent a lot of time on 4chan unless you did some really fucked up things you should be fine OP

>inb4 feds take my clearance
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>>25652977
Yay, thats good news.
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>>25652980
I sent this post to the FBCIADEVGRU 1st division commander. Your privileges will be checked.
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>>25652952
Single Scope Background Investigation. It is required before you are granted access to any Sensitive Compartment Information (SCI)

>>25652963
I don't know what /ss/ is, but Rule 34 is pretty benign. They are looking for shit that is illegal
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They didn't ask about it for my secret but when I got my top secret interview they had about 10-15 pages worth of 4chan comments they asked me to explain.
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>>25652845
This can be good info,http://www.dod.gov/dodgc/doha/industrial/2014.html
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>>25652992
/straight shota/
Hentai about boys having sex with women like teachers, babysitters, older sisters. It can get pretty incestual but Im pretty sure its not illegal because 2D cartoons.
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There's a point where nothing really matters, altering the timeline and memory creation/erasing.

That's just me being schizophrenic, though.

Jesus did say what's done in the dark comes to the light and what's secret will be revealed.

So.... the cameras are always on.

I've talked to myself enough, I know that if you talk to yourself long enough you'll start getting feedback from strange places.

I really don't understand what's going on anymore.
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>>25653004
And now I'm boned again.

Can you sum it all up as 'I'm a lying internet asshole?'
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>>25653025
If you're going for TOP SECRET, you may have to have an interesting conversation with a psychologist, but I don't think it will affect your eligibility to handle classified info. I'm not really sure if that's blackmail-able.
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>>25653070
Cool.

I mean whose never wanted to fuck a MILF?
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For secret at least, they don't care about legal porn, freedom fighter talk online, torrenting stuff, speeding tickets, or open container tickets.

Source: inactive Secret clearance, had/did all that before I got it.
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TS/SCI w/CT-Poly
Everybody knows I browse 4chan. My mates and some officers shoot the shit about /k/ while in uniform.

Nobody cares.
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>>25653084
You're that fucker that uploaded CHEEKI BREEKI EE V DAMKE. I know it's you.
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>>25653084
Cool. 4chans pretty much the worst thing I do. Besides reading Crossed...which I blame on 4chan.
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>>25653046
im joking dude

Unless you post with a tripcode with your full name it's not going to come up. Just be honest with anything that comes up though
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>>25652845
>Will they know about all the fucked up porn and racist shit i post on 4chan?

oh yeah

once you go high enough they dont leave your head
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>>25652845

They don't give a fuck about 4chan. Unless you're secretly a chinese national or fucking lolis you're fine.
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>>25653106
Oh because that actually sounds reasonable and wouldn't be that hard to do.
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>>25653108
as in psychic soldiers
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>>25653133
Uhh, I don't actually think they have those.
But if they do, you're fucked either way.
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>>25653108
>mfw browsing white supremicist groups and conspiracy sites for muh conspiracy theories, even though I just view it as science fiction
>tfw not white

Hope they don't find out I can sing Dixie poorly despite being a yellow feller.
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>>25653011

>all those marijuana cases
>all those times clearance was granted

I guess you really can be honest.

How did they find out, though? Just asking friends?
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>>25653145
I don't browse the white supremacist sites, but ATS can be an entertaining read (sadly its all BS, but sci fi is fun)
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>>25653025
> pretty sure its not illegal because 2D cartoons.
Pretty sure it is illegal all across the board or at least certain states.
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>>25653171

>In a university setting, Applicant was a polysubstance experimenter and abuser. He contributed to, or purchased outright, some of the substances used. His one-time experimentation with Psilocybin mushrooms, cocaine, and liquid codeine, as well as his three-time experimentation with LSD and Adderall all ceased before he graduated from college in May 2013. The Psilocybin mushroom incident occurred in October 2009. The liquid codeine incident and the cocaine incident both occurred in October 2010. The last experimentation with LSD and use of Adderall both ceased in May 2013. In addition, Applicant�s more frequent use of marijuana ceased in October 2012. His motivation was generally to fit in with his peers and because of curiosity. His use of Adderall was to enhance his focus and to better enable him to study for tests and work on school projects. Applicant�s use of drugs never resulted in a positive drug test or incidents involving the police or judicial authorities, and he never sought or received treatment for his drug use. The sole sources for the information developed regarding Applicant�s drug involvement are his self-reported responses to various inquiries. Applicant�s actions under the circumstances confronting him no longer cast doubt on his current reliability, trustworthiness, or good judgment. Clearance is granted. CASE NO: 14-00919.h1

Holy shit, how did he get away with it?
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Be honest about relevant shit, it's best in the long run and unless you show signs of things they can blackmail with (take bribes, fallback to drugs, etc.), it'll be all good.

They really don't care once you've gotten in and enlisted. MEPS and its welfare contractors are really the only assholes when it comes to that kind of stuff.

The clearance investigators/etc. is seperated from that (in a way).

It just makes your initial paperwork process longer, but it should go through.
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>>25653011
>Applicant obtained some classified documents from another government agency (AGA) and transferred them to the acting Facility Security Officer (FSO) at his new employer using all the proper protocols. Several days later, after checking with the Joint Personnel Adjudication System (JPAS), the FSO determined that Applicant did not possess a valid DOD security clearance. The FSO reported the "security incident" to the Defense Security Service (DSS) which, in turn, notified AGA. Applicant's employer determined that his actions violated unspecified security policies and procedures. Applicant actually did have a valid security clearance, but it had not been transferred into JPAS. Applicant's actions in acquiring foreign citizenship and a foreign passport were directed by AGA. Personal Conduct concerns are mitigated. His actions under the circumstances do not cast doubt on his current reliability, trustworthiness, or good judgment. Clearance is granted.

wat

>>25653171
>How did they find out, though? Just asking friends?

Social friends, references, co-workers, employers, random neighbors...
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>>25653011
>Applicant owns a condominium in Thailand. He has extended family members who are citizens and residents of Thailand, some of whom work or have worked for the government of Thailand. Between 2008 and 2011, he purchased sex from foreign nationals in foreign countries. His foreign relatives and past criminal conduct are no longer a security concern. The ownership of a condominium in Thailand, when balanced against his financial interests in the United States, does not pose a security concern. The foreign influence security concerns are mitigated. Eligibility for access to classified information is granted.

LIKE A BOSS
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>>25653141
>>25653145
their pretty cool people

and just as fucked up as we are if not a little bit more

only because they can fuck with you
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>Applicant has a history of engaging in inappropriate sexual behavior, including soliciting prostitutes, touching women inappropriately, watching pornography on work computers, and masturbating in public places. Applicant recognizes that he has a compulsive disorder, and he is highly committed to rehabilitation, attending multiple types of therapy, including cognitive therapy with mental health professionals and spiritual therapy through his church. Although he has made significant progress over the years, it is too soon to conclude that he has mitigated the security concerns. Clearance is denied.

>/b/ tries to get a clearance.jpg
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>>25653224
>psyops
Yes.
>psychic soldiers
No.
The men who stare at goats ended a Lon time ago.
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>>25653083

Is there any way to just get that shit without an employer? I got an employer around here will hire me if I get a secret but they won't help me get there. They've had the damn job open for a year but haven't changed their tune. It's a good paying job as well.
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>admitting that you look at porn can deny you a clearance, much less an enlistment

Hilarious.
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>>25653268
Most employers don't want to foot the bill for the background checks, and instead lets the government do it (and then just poaches the person from the government). It can cost several thousand dollars to do an extensive background check on someone.
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>>25653201

Yup. 20+ years ago my grandma was a manager at a retail store and one of her employees was trying for some SOF position in the Navy and she had a man come to the store and gave her a two hour interview about him. If he was a good worker, if he followed directions well, if he was rude, etc.

And that was over 20 years ago. Probably closer to 30 by now.
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>>25653171

It's absolutely no reason to tell them. If your friends aren't faggots, no one will ever tell them.

Most of these people are civilian contractors. They're on a different set of criteria. Admitting to a military recruiter that you smoked weed will get you turned away from every single branch right now.
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>>25653298
>Admitting to a military recruiter that you smoked weed will get you turned away from every single branch right now.

if only they knew the shit that goes on in there at ALL levels
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>Applicant has not filed federal or state tax returns since 2004. He has not paid federal or state taxes for the period. He incurred a judgment and medical debt in 2004 that have not been resolved. Though he paid some listed debts, he did not present sufficient evidence in mitigation to remove the security concerns under the financial considerations guideline. Eligibility for access to classified information is denied. CASE NO: 11-08617.h1

How the fuck do you go 10+ years of never filing your taxes?
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>Applicant is a fellow Asu/k/afag

Top Secret Clearance Granted.

Federal Sexual Paraphernalia Treasury and Data Base Unlimited Access granted.

>Monthly Subscription Fee waived

Mootplscombak
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>>25652845

Civilian here, only attained Secret and not TS, but the SF 86 (which is the main form that you fill out) doesn't give a fuck about what you do on 4chan. They don't care about shitposting,t hey only care about patterns of behavior that could render you a security risk (repeated drug/alcohol abuse, financial troubles, etc). Just BE TRUTHFUL on the application and if they ask you about anything and you should be fine. Good luck!
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>>25653293

Hell, if it's employers they talk to, I'm fine. I just need to track down a couple college roommates and give them a heads up.
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>>25653031
allmywut.jpg
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>>25653193
What does everyone mean when they say blackmail? Who is blackmailed and why?
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>>25653192
Because he told them like it is and doesn't do drugs currently, he gave them no reason not to trust them.
When you read the things, a clear picture of "don't fucking lie to us ever and it will be fine" seems to permeate the decision making.
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>>25653070
>you may have to have an interesting conversation with a psychologist

i got this figured out, i have over the years explained all of my fetishes multiple times to anonymous people asking why, i have the perfect set of explanations for all of them.
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>>25653521

>told recruiter you smoked weed a couple times in high school because honesty is the best policy
>not eligible for military service

The military is different from computer contractors. Fucking Edward Snowden had a Top Secret clearance and look at him.
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>>25653689
Military service is a different thing from obtaining a security clearance.
Would the infantry really boot you for smoking weed in high school though?
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I held NATO Top Secret for about 2 years and NATO Secret for 8.

I wouldn't if they knew my internet browsing history
lol your fine
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>>25653738
Right now, they can boot you for just about anything. There's no demand for soldiers and they can't find enough to do with the troops they already have.

If you must tell them, tell them for the security clearance section, not the introductory questionnaire.

Case in point, a lot of the people in >>25653011 have police records regarding DUIs and weed, and their clearance was granted. Right now, any arrest or conviction of just about any kind will get you denied.
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>>25653765
denied from civilian or denied from military?
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>>25653738
My friend told his recruiter that he smoked weed. The recruiter gave him a drug test and sure enough he failed. They threw the test away and told him they would wait until he is clean, but they went ahead and got started on his paperwork.

This was back in 2007 though. I should have joined with him because now I can't get waivers so I won't be able to join unless shit really hits the fan.

Fuck these gay ass captchas. In case anyone was wondering, the cheesesteak was the second one.
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>>25653791
Military you dumbass. You're fucking perfect you'll fit right in.
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>>25653791
From the military. They'll let contractors in as long as they aren't currently using and will state that they will not use in the future. The military is a more high-stress position and they don't want people to crack.

>>25653797
Log out of gmail, and you'll get the normal captchas.
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>>25653814
What about government that is still technically civilian (State Department, DOD, intel, etc)
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>>25653814
>Log out of gmail
I can't remember my password. I also can't remember the password for my recovery email. I should have listened to them when they asked me to put in my phone number.
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>>25653824
Shit nigger, I don't know. My dad was DOD for years and he was a massive pothead in the 60s, and he doesn't even know if they asked his friends.

I have to assume that the people doing the security clearances are weighed according to the nature of their job along the same guidelines. But if these people are getting their clearances even with debt and criminal and drug histories as long as they promise to not break the rules anymore, smoking a joint in college isn't going to keep you out even today.
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>>25653515
Let's say you've got the clearance to get your hands on a document, and I want that document to help my terrorist organisation.

I do some digging around, and find out you used to look at cp. I befrend you in what seems like a normal way, build rapport, gain your trust. Over the course of a few months, I start bringing up porn in our conversations - start off showing you some light jailbait, keep building it up and up until we're regularly exchanging the really nasty cp shit.

Once I have your total trust, I get you in to my "secret club", and give you a once in a lifetime oppertunity to actually have a go on a loli.

Then I show up at your house the next day with a few dozen pictures of you having sex with a 6 year old, threatening to put them up in the playground of your kids school, in the building where your wife works, and outside every member of your families house, unless you bring me the document I want.
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>>25653885

Bingo. the other primary exploit is finances.

"I see you owe 30,000 in gambling debt to a guy you don't want to owe...how bout we make a deal..."
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>>25652845
They know, and don't care. The people who run clearances like the same shit.

Source: have TS clearence
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>>25653885
That's fucking crazy. Good thing I have really boring taste in porn.

>>25654033
What if I just owe money to comcast? I'm not paying for six months of service I didn't receive.
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>>25653031
Underrated post.
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>>25653031
Find acid.
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>>25653811
kek
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>>25654097
some guy from Comcast does the cp blackmail to you just to get $56.73 from you
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>>25654972
They'll never take me alive! I could pay it back at any time, I'm just not going to.
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>>25655039
That'd be so funny if there was some guy on that gov list and it just said "Applicant refused to pay Comcast bill of less than $70 since 2009. Request for secret Intel access denied."
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>>25653141
Yes they do have psy-warriors. They also have soilders with alter personalities... They can be a family man one minute then get a phone call and..beep boop remove kebab
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>that feel when brother applying to MI6
>that feel when I had to sign an agreement for background checking as did Mum and Dad
>that feel when my entire search history is on file somewhere
>that feel when my brother has probably been asked about it
>that feel when MI6 is laughing at me

I should never have signed ;_;
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>>25652884
Wrong. Didn't come up when I got mine done
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>>25653171
What I never understood is do pie plexiglas use those drugs tell MEPS? Cause if you lie at MEPs and tell the truth on your SF86 or to the investigator how do they not catch that? If not that waivers are a lot easier to come buy than people say
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>>25652884
They don't even get into that when you're going in for a TS/SCI. To be on the safe side, just don't bring it up.
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>>25653332
>implying picking shikinami over soryu wouldn't come up as a red flag
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>admitting anything that can't be proven

lel
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I find it really hard to believe that there's no one getting a waiver for smoking pot a couple times in highschool. Is the whole state of Colorado pretty much not joining?
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>>25656525
tbh a lot of agencies are becoming a bit more lax in their policies since barring anybody that smoked weed would exclude a bunch of upcoming recruits.
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>>25656552
I'm talking about the military
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>>25653004
>mfw asked me to explain

If you take a polygraph, Never Volunteer Info. If polygraph examiner asks an open-ended question, tell him/her you don't understand; play dumb. Never volunteer info. The polygraph is supposed to record skin response/pulse rate/etc. to help them detect untruthful answers... Never volunteer info. Thirty percent of [one agency's] testees flunk... Fuck the polygraph!

Signed, Mr. Laid-off Ex-Top Secret
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>>25656658

>30% of testees

fug :DDD

Do they at least let you retest if you fuck up? Since polygraphs aren't even legally binding
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>>25653689
http://www.pnj.com/story/military/2014/04/06/uncle-sam-doesnt-want-pot-smokers-in-the-military/7367835/

Unless you were smoking every day it shouldn't have Been a problem.
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>>25653689
Snowden was screened by a shitty company that used trick software to lie to the feds. The co. gave US Gov many 100,000s of bad backgrounds -- shallow, defective, incomplete, rushed backgrd investigations. I know what I'm talking about.
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>>25656845
That's what I mean, civilian contractors are screened by other civilians. Even when you admit to shit, they just ignore it as long as you can pass a piss test promise to not smoke more weed later on. Military screenings will boot you if you admit to shit they can't otherwise prove.
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>>25656692
>retest?
Only if your civilian employer thinks, "we can't run the company without this guy" will they EVER ask feds to redo a poly.
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How would an applicant handle drug related questions like bud?

When I was in ROTC I was told to just lie through my teeth and hope they didn't find out because the result was the same as telling the truth
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>>25656889
yeah I know. It just seems silly though that they'd automatically preemptively fire 1/3 of their applicants just because they messed up on a polygraph. Like, I would think that the high stakes would make the failure rate even higher. idk. Just seems silly to me.
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>>25656921
That's correct.

>I have never smoked marijuana
Well we spoke to your old roommate, and he says you smoked it at least three times.
>he is wrong. I have never smoked marijuana
Alright well we talked to your old coworkers, and one says he sold you a small amount of marijuana.
>that is wrong. I have never purchased or smoked marijuana
Well we talked to your neighbors, and they said they regularly have smelled marijuana coming from your residence.
>they must be smelling other people. I have never smoked marijuana

As long as your pee is clean, you're golden.
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>>25653212
so smoking weed when they were 22 is bad but having a condo in Thailand and going full on asian street meat is cool?
>implying that drugs weren't involved in his sexual escapades
all of those guys on the list were expendable trash
>MFW people think feds are very profesional
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>>25656965
>As long as your pee is clean, you're golden.
thanks mang
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Tfw 4 years from now the military is downsizing greatly and I get cut out of the service due to the terabytes of furry porn on my external HDD
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>>25653031
found the ATF agent
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>>25656965
Where are you getting this info from? An article I just posted says otherwise.
>>25656806
As long as you pass a drug test and it wasn't habitual it shouldn't be a problem. This articles only a year old
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>>25657107
Most people already have a strike or two against them. A youth assault offense, minor medical issues, weight trouble, something. Adding marijuana use to the list can be enough for them to deny you for character problems. True, it's not a stone wall to enlistment, but it's still a strike against you. If you can avoid it and if you can just tell the friends you were with that mums' the word, it's better for you.
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>>25656927
[unnamed federal agency] can take its pick of 1 in 1,000 applicants, I'm pretty sure. They can afford to be picky...
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>>25653885
what if i just kill you and dissolve the body in acid? not that i have access to gallons of hydroflouric acid... just hypothetically
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>>25657146
Yea but how can you tell all your friends? I don't even talk to half the people I was "friends" with 4 years ago in HS and any one of them might say "yea I smoked with him a couple times"
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OP I just got my SECRET clearance.

Anything that hasn't gone on record at a courthouse is outside of their concern.

For example: They asked about my late payments on rent, all convictions (even traffic), and all employment reprimands. However, I am a drug addict who stopped using drugs 1.5yrs previous to the interview and it just never came up. So with that being said, you can draw your own conclusion about internet use. They'll have no idea because you will not tell them.
But this is important: DO NOT LIE ON THE FUCKHUGE APPLICATION. DO NOT LIE ABOUT ANYTHING. THEY DO INVESTIGATE ALL FACTS THEN INTERVIEW YOU TO CONFIRM FACTS. They will not ask you about internet use. As long as you're not a foreign spy you'll be okay. :)
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>>25657239
Ignore my second sentence and replace it with the info below it.
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>>25657221
You have to weigh it for yourself. Are you more likely to get a waiver or convince the military that you don't smoke weed. Personally, I've only smoked with a couple of people in my life, and they're people I can trust to not crack. I'm also already pushing my recruiter to his limits to get me past holdups. Marijuana would be the straw that broke the camel's back at this point.

It's never good to recommend that people lie, especially when the stakes can be their career. But for some, it's the best option.
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>>25655039
>I could pay it back at any time, I'm just not going to.

you, i like you anon
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>>25657239
So they just didn't ask about drug use?
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>>25657275
Lie like a dog.

If you were ever in treatment then do not lie about that. But if you were never in treatment, lie like a fucking dead dog
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>>25657239

On your NACLC (99% of everyone) they only care about fiance, drugs, alcohol, treatment or loans for the above and links to terrorism.

However lying about these things are bad. This is why the recruiter asks you even if YOU POSSIBLY did it. Because they will add a comment to wavier it.
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>>25653212
thailand, yea those prob weren't legal age
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>>25653224
psyops do two things
1. play loud music to stop people sleeping
2. spread properganda
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>>25657297
They asked about treatment for drug use

I didn't lie about anything and the way the drug questions are worded, depending on how I look at it, I actually didn't even have to stretch the truth. You'll see what I mean when you log into the site and get to that part of the application.

In the interview, they reconfirmed each application question. So it all carried over.
By the way, I was in treatment for alcoholism and I put that on the application. Since they could confirm the info, it was fine with them. A friend of mine lied about the same situation and nearly got rejected.
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>>25653324
probably didn't have a traditional job that sent the irs w2
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>>25653348
>just be honest anon
>they won't care

if I had a secret agency, anyone who lacked the good sense to lie about shit like that would be a PR risk, and probably not someone with the brains for the job
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>>25657360
Fun!
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>>25653031
>>/x/
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>>25653133
we FEAR now
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>>25655039
>Applicant has two debts � a charged-off home equity line of credit account for $108,744 and a cable company collection account for $216. These debts have been ongoing for several years, and Applicant was unable to provide documentation that these debts were being addressed or resolved. Clearance is denied. CASE NO: 14-00631.h1

You're fucked
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>>25657275
Is this your recruiter telling you you have to lie or are you going off your own judgement
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Clearances mostly are to with your history, if you can't account for pretty much every day since you left school, you won't get it. They talk to your friends and family, and even may follow you for a day for the higher level ones.

They just want to make sure you're not a spy basically.
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>>25657928
>a charged-off home equity line of credit account for $108,744 and a cable company collection account for $216
>home equity line of credit
>$108,744
Do you know what that is? He bought a house and couldn't pay for it. He didn't forget to pay his cable bill for a place he no longer lived at. One debt is for a couple hundo, one debt is for over 100k. Are you so fucking retarded that you can't recognize the difference? Or is your foreign money worth so little that you don't realize $100k US is kind of a big deal?
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